Talking Florida State- Miami with Eye Of The Hurricane
Can you feel it? It's Florida State v. Miami week! Kickoff is just 59 hours away! Today we welcome in Mike from EyeOfTheHurricane, a solid Miami Hurricanes site with quite the active community. Our answers to his questions will run over there on Friday, and I'll give you the link at that time.
1. How has Miami addressed its linebacker issue? I remember Shannon wasn't happy with one of the positions in camp. Are the Canes playing more nickel to avoid using the third 'backer?
Good question. If you’ve seen the Hurricanes play at all this season, you know that junior SLB Sean Spence is having an outstanding season. He has 38 total stops, eight TFL, 1.5 sacks, two passes broken up, and a forced fumble. He’s making a case to be the ACC Defensive Player of the Year. He did win the ACC Defensive Rookie of the Year Award in 2008. His play has helped take the pressure off the LB corps as a whole.MLB Colin McCarthy has played solid, registering 27 total tackles, three TFL, 0.5 sack, one pass broken up, and a fumble recovery. He’s not Dan Morgan, but who really is? But he’s done a nice job so far at middle.
The emergence of junior WLB Ramon Buchanan has really eased the pressure on the LB corps. If you’ll remember, Randy Shannon previously had senior Kylan Robinson playing middle, then OLB. He showed that he can’t handle full-time duties, so Buchanan got his chance and has played pretty well. He has 17 tackles and one TFL.
No, the ‘Canes aren’t playing any more nickel defense than is necessary. The LB corps question is no longer the question it was entering the season. They have performed beyond all expectations.
2. Which under-performing or lesser-known player must step up for Miami to win?
I’m going offense on this question, and I’ll break it down into two parts. An under-performing player that needs to step up is WR Travis Benjamin. I think most ‘Nole fans are familiar with him. He has struggled being on the same page as QB Jacory Harris, and Shannon has even blamed four of Harris’ INTs on him personally. He’s got talent and speed to burn, but has not lived up to preseason billing.A lesser-known player would be senior RG Joel Figueroa. He’s a senior, and originally was moved from RG to RT to start the season. That experiment didn’t work. Seantrel Henderson started against Clemson and played pretty well. He’s still raw. But Figueroa hasn’t played like the veteran he is. UM needs to shore up the weakness on the right side of the OL, or its going to be a long night for the Hurricanes and a short one for Harris.
3. It's been said that this game means a lot more to Miami's program this year because Shannon has been rebuilding for four years and this is his year, while Fisher just got the keys to the FSU program, and because Miami is getting lapped in recruiting by FSU & UF so far this year after a sub-par recruiting class in 2010. Do you agree with that? Would a win here be the spark Miami needs to get back in with the top players in the Sunshine State?
I think this game is critical for both programs. If Miami wins, they continue their momentum into the ACC slate. If FSU wins, they gain some ground on Miami.There’s no doubting that UF and FSU have recruited well. I don’t think it’s fair to say that UM has been "lapped." It’s premature to say that. The Hurricanes aren’t taking a large class this year, between 15-18 prospects. There are some really good looking prospects coming to South Florida in DE Anthony Chickillo, QB Teddy Bridgewater, WR Philip Dorsett, and CB Albert Louis- Jean.
Miami is also still in the ballgame for TE Nick O’Leary, WRs Sammy Watkins and George Farmer, and DBs Dallas Crawford and Jabari Gorman. Everything looks good for LB Denzel Perryman to commit any day now. UM also has already picked up three verbals for the 2012 Class, so while UF and FSU are doing well, Miami recruiting is prospering at the same time. And that’s good for the ACC and college football. It’s more fun when Miami and FSU are strong, and it won’t be long until we enjoy another, "Game of the Century," between the ‘Noles and ‘Canes.
Finally, I don’t think it’s fair to say Miami had a sub-par class last season. The Hurricanes added Seantrel Henderson and Latwan Anderson late, both five-star prospects. And under- rated players like LB Jimmy Gaines, LB Kelvin Cain, RB Storm Johnson, CB Devont’a Davis, and S Kacy Rodgers have established themselves as freshman to watch going forward.
4. Miami has a good offense, but I can't help but think that it would be a lot better if Whipple would run the ball. With that defense, doesn't it make a lot more sense to be conservative, play great defense, and force teams to drive on long fields as opposed to the short fields that Jacory gives them? With 11 backs on scholarship, I know I would run more, which would also make my play-action more effective.
This is a question that we’ve debated with our readers at Eye of the Hurricane. I do think Offensive Coordinator Mark Whipple is making more of an effort to run the football, but the question has been about the timing of some of his calls. Remember, Whipple comes from the Andy Reid "School of Offense." Philadelphia likes to toss the ball around.However, UM ran the ball 11 of the first 12 plays versus Clemson, and moved it with authority against a talented Clemson defensive front. Overall, he ran the ball 43 times and passed it 33.
The numbers are there and the balance is great, and Miami has tremendous talent at RB. They also have K/P Matt Bosher, who is an All-ACC type punter, averaging 46 yards per boot on 18 punts, and has eight 50+ yard punts.
I think UM does need to take the pressure off of Harris, especially in the first half, and rely on the talent at RB more because the passing offense is struggling a bit, especially downfield. But will Whipple do that? I don’t know. I doubt he will pass any less than he did against Clemson. He’s going to take shots downfield, period.
But yes, it does make sense.
For the record, RB Lee Chambers was moved to CB, giving Miami 10 RBs. They also run two- back sets, so it makes sense to have multiple FBs and TBs for depth. Many of these players also play special teams.
5. What must Randy Shannon prove between this season and the next to have long-term staying power.
I think the biggest thing Shannon has to prove is if he can take Miami to the next level. I think he’s doing that. He’s done an outstanding job of flipping the talent on this team. Competing for the ACC championship year in and year out would help, but graduating his players and keeping them off the police blotter also is huge in the eyes of current UM President Donna Shalala. He’s already done that, so taking the next step in the win column is critical in the minds of the fans.If Shannon goes 9-3 and 10-2 most seasons, he’ll always have a job. But unless he starts having multiple 6-6 and 7-5 seasons, Shannon is going to be around a long time in Coral Gables.
Again, a big thanks to Mike and EyeOfTheHurricane for dishing on the Canes.
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Hate to inform UM fans but....
You’re being lapped easily in recruiting but UF and FSU, but keep the lie alive if it makes you all feel better about your program
by WinstonSalemNole on Oct 7, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions
I agree. UM fluff going on here.
It doesn’t make any sense that this guy thinks UM hasn’t been lapped in recruiting. Why is he so defensive over factual information? I like the other schools to this point because they kept the defensive bs out of it and focused on the question. It is obvious that this UM writer thinks the Canes can do no wrong, doesn’t make for a convincing read. It’s basically UM fluff. FSU had one of the best recruiting classes in the country.
Cont.
I can only imagine what Seminole fans will post once the link is goes up Friday for this guys site.
Like, it's not even close
According to Rivals, in 2011
FSU #5 – 16 commitments, (2) 5*, (5) 4*, (9) 3* = 3.56 avg.
UM #35 – 8 commitments, (0) 5*, (3) 4*, (5) 3* = 3.38 avg.
According to ESPN, in 2011
FSU – 16 commitments, (10) 4*, (6) 3*, 8 ESPN150
UM – 8 commitments, (5) 4*, (3) 3*, 4 ESPN150
Also, for as many commitments as Miami has “ready to commit or are still in the running for”, we have more players and equal to, if not better players in the same, if not better position (for us to land).
I mean, I’m just being completely objective and rational here but you can’t even put the two classes in the same stratosphere. On ESPN, Miami is lodged in between Texas Tech and Pitt and over 10 spots below 1-4 Georgia, while on rivals, they are below Iowa, TCU, Kentucky, Virginia, etc. I don’t want to hear that the talent pool that Miami usually recruits from is lower or anything either, because other schools (like us) are having no problem going into 305 & 954 and hand picking whoever we want.
because other schools (like us) are having no problem going into 305 & 954 and hand picking whoever we want.
Bingo
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Too early to bury them yet IMO
but I would rather be us than them :)
I'd rather talk about actual signingd
Not what a kid thinks in early October.
by Sabon on Oct 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Obviously
but if you don’t have a time machine this is what we currently have
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In UM's (statistical) defense
What I’m about to say may be obvious to most readers from the
3.56 versus the 3.38 average stars, but just in case …
I don’t know how many players each team will take, but if we assume that the distribution of 3*, 4*, and 5* players will be the same in the final classes as there are here, then there is little or no statistical evidence that FSU’s distribution is better than UM’s (I actually ran the chi-square test and Wilcoxon’s test on the Rivals numbers you gave above, with simulated p-values to replace the unreliable (in this case) chi-square and normal approximations). Basically the numbers, especially Miami’s numbers, are too small for the differences we are seeing to really tell us much.
Of course the fact that we have so many more commitments at this point can be taken as evidence of greater recruiting success, but Mike from EyeOfTheHurricane discounts this because UM will take a smaller class and because it’s early in the process. I might add that that some coaches (cough, Bowden, cough, cough) are known for closing late as well, and a Hurricane fan might be forgiven for thinking (hoping?) that Shannon is one of them.
I don’t mean to say that we should necessarily ignore the overall numbers, nor that there isn’t other evidence FSU isn’t doing better than UM, including evidence from last year. It certainly seems to me that FSU is doing very well since JF took over, and although I don’t really follow other teams’ recruiting at all, I do trust Bud’s judgment and, quite frankly, our new coaching staff’s effort and judgment. What I am saying, however, is that if you decide to ignore quantity (i.e., the overall number of commitments), then there is little or no evidence in the “stars” to indicate that FSU’s “process” is better than UM’s as far as quality is concerned.
But maybe that was obvious anyway from the 3.56 versus the 3.38 averages.
by csfuu on Oct 7, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think the key is that UM does not have many big fish left on its board
This is great stuff, of course.
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Great analysis and I think those statistics make a very good point
But I think the quantity arguments override. While the distributions might not be statistically different at this point:
A. There is a limited number of scholarships and you need 22 starters (plus special teams and backups). This means that last years class will hurt them unless those 2-3* kids were either underrated or can be coached up or they pull in amazing classes in the future.
2. There are a limited number of recruits available, especially 4-5* recruits. This also hurts UM big because it doesn’t allow the distribution to be maintained as easily while they get more recruits. (Basically, what Bud just said.)
Nothing to see here folks
Silly Tomahawk Nation with your critical questioning, don’t you know anything? There are no problems at Miami, the whole team is playing well and Randy Shannon is secretly recruiting better than anyone else even realizes. Silly Noles with your concern about Miami falling off the map due to complacency… /sarcasm.
Its all in the game.
Most important thing here
but graduating his players and keeping them off the police blotter also is huge in the eyes of current UM President Donna Shalala.
I’ve said it many, many times before. UM is not all about winning at any cost.
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props to Randy for that
he’s done a hell of a job there
Hope he stays forever
A Miami team good enough to help the ACC but bad enough not to hurt FSU is the best thing we could hope for. Only problem will be if/when they get owned by the Noles several years in a row he will get run out of town.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Georgia 2.0
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be fine by me
I’d take a winning % over UM like uf has over UGA for the past 20 years, too.
Bud and company should lobby to have 7th Floor's space replaced with EOTH
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Anyone know what 7th floor stands for?
Is that the jail floor where the convicts are running that website from?
7th floor crew
A bunch of UM players called themselves the 7th floor crew and produced a rap song that would make 2 Live Crew cringe. You could probably google it and find it.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a bar that Miami and OU got into it on one of their big games in the good old days.
The rap and the camo fatigues.
"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock
Are you mixing up the UM v Penn State
Where they all sat down to eat and then the UM players stormed out after one of them said “Custer didn’t sit down to eat with no indians”. On the way out a PSU player yelled back “Didn’t Custer lose?” and then the Lions beat them the next day lol. 7th floor is the floor the players used to live on in their dorm a few years back.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Just adding
then the UM players stormed out after one of them said "Custer didn’t sit down to eat with no indians".
The Player was DT Jerome Brown (saw the scene in the ESPN 30 in 30 piece about the Canes).
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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Bud didn't do a question exchange with 7th Floor because he wanted intelligent answers.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
No, it's only thursday.
Mike Martin should go coach Hawaii. Then he could have all the poi's he ever wanted - MattDNole
"I think this game is critical for both programs. If Miami wins, they continue their momentum into the ACC slate. If FSU wins, they gain some ground on Miami"
This made me laugh.
The author makes it seem like Miami is so much further ahead of FSU, that an FSU win would only help us gain some ground on the U.
If Miami was coming off an ACC Championship game appearance, I coud understand this comment.
WAR PAINT OF TN
An FSU win would be really bad for Miami
And could start a 3-4 game winning streak for the ’Noles over the canes. If you look at who both teams lose, would you really take Miami next year in Doak?
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Not a chance....
Random question: what are the odds that Spence will leave early?
He’s pretty small for an NFL linebacker, so i would think he would think he would be a 4 year college player.
WAR PAINT OF TN
Spence no way, but Brandon Harris perhaps
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Senior. Should have left last season!
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Hey Bud
Over the summer, you ran some stories on the Cane’s previous recruiting classes. They pulled in a nice 2008 class as evident by this year. Is the consensus that after this year they will return to mediocrity, due to poor recruiting by Shannon the following years?
They just aren't recruiting at that high level anymore.
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why?
Is there anything specific you can point to other than complacency that’s affecting their ability to recruit against us? Perhaps you already wrote about this at length.
by Kelly Huffman on Oct 7, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Have a feeling they are focusing on graduating kids and having them not get arrested
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And to FSU
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That 2008 class fell into his lap.
Seriously….when was the last time Randy Shannon showed that he could go out and just TAKE a recruit away from another school (C.J. Spiller)…..? Since buying one (Austin) isn’t an option, and they simply are not good recruiters (the stats show this to be true), then it is all-or-nothing. Accept the ones who really, REALLY want to come…..then “settle” for whatever else is left.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Same thing will happen with their 2012 class, imo.
Already locked up 3 Miami area recruits for next year.
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LOOOOOONG way to go until 2012.
Things are likely to get worse for UM, not better….in the areas that affect recruiting (record, coaching, perceived direction of program, competition from FSU).
Oderint Dum Metuant
I disagree.
They should do well this year and may still do well next year. That would be two solid years prior to the 2012 class. I don’t see how their perceived direction would be on the decline unless something drastic happens next year (I guess if Harris is injured and their backups still suck maybe?). I agree it’s a long way to go, but I don’t really agree with the reasoning.
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I'm sorry, but if it's Randy Shannon & Duh Yew vs the field (talking ACC-Champ)
….I’m taking the field. Randy Shannon has proves that his teams have a tendancy to take a shit on themselves at very inopportune times. I would give UM a proportional win share of .40 for the conference….and winning the ACC seems to be the only way to satisfy the “we’re back” mindset. Failure to win the Conference in a year in which they are favored by most to do so speaks to their coaching & the perceived direction of the program. UM HAS to win the ACC this season in order to be seen as moving forward—anything else and they are stagnating, which is almost as bad (perceptually) as regressing.
An ACCCG appearance does no good if they lose a rematch with FSU or Clemson…IMO.
As it pertains to recruiting, if there are any TRUE studs that UM is after that are not 100% born & bred Canes……RS probably doesn’t get the signature over the next 2 Februarys.
Oderint Dum Metuant
That I agree much more with.
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2010 Miami
WR 3 Travis Benjamin (5-11, 176, Jr.)
or 47 LaRon Byrd (6-4, 215, Jr.)
LT 74 Orlando Franklin (6-7, 312, Sr.)
LG 66 Harland Gunn (6-2, 315, Jr.)
C 63 Tyler Horn (6-4, 295, Jr.)
RG 72 Brandon Washington (6-4, 330, Soph.)
RT 77 Seantrel Henderson (6-8, 355, Fr.)
TE 84 Richard Gordon (6-4, 265, Sr.)
9 Chase Ford (6-6, 245, Jr.)
WR 85 Leonard Hankerson (6-3, 205, Sr.)
or 4 Aldarius Johnson (6-3, 200, Jr.)
QB 12 Jacory Harris (6-4, 200, Jr.)
HB 20 Damien Berry (6-0, 215, Sr.)
5 Mike James (6-0, 217, Soph.)
FB 30 Patrick Hill (5-9, 255, Sr.)
LE 57 Allen Bailey (6-4, 285, Sr.)
56 Marcus Robinson (6-1, 240, Jr.)
LT 92 Josh Holmes (6-0, 280, Sr.)
93 Luther Robinson (6-3, 295, R-Fr.)
RT 54 Micanor Regis (6-3, 305, Jr.)
99 Marcus Forston (6-3, 305, R-Soph.)
RE 35 Olivier Vernon (6-4, 250, Soph.)
or 97 Adewale Ojomo (6-4, 260, Jr.)
SLB 45 Ramon Buchanan (6-1, 220, Jr.)
or 36 Kylan Robinson (6-1, 235, Sr.)
MLB 44 Colin McCarthy (6-2, 240, Sr.)
WLB 31 Sean Spence (6-0, 220, Jr.)
LCB 13 Ryan Hill (6-0, 205, Sr.)
Nickel 8 DeMarcus Van Dyke (6-1, 185, Sr.)
RCB 1 Brandon Harris (5-11, 195, Jr.)
SS 29 JoJo Nicolas (6-1, 205, R-Jr.)
26 Ray Armstrong (6-4, 215, Soph.)
FS 7 Vaughn Telemaque (6-2, 207, Soph.)
That will still be a top-15 type team. 2012 is when they really start to hurt. But can they replace Bailey and Hankerson?
Here’s FSU’s
X 83 Bert Reed 5-10 175 Jr.
82 Willie Haulstead 6-3 213 So
LT Andrew Datko 6-6 307 Jr.
LG 62 Rodney Hudson 6-2 288 Sr.
C 60 Ryan McMahon 6-1 285 Sr.
RG 79 David Spurlock 6-4 300 Jr.
RT 77 Zebrie Sanders 6-6 307 Jr.
TE 88 Beau Reliford 6-6 254 Jr.
85 Ja’Baris Little 6-3 237 Jr.
Z 8 Taiwan Easterling 5-11 200 Jr.
84 Rodney Smith 6-6 222 So.
QB 7 Christian Ponder 6-3 222 Sr.
TB 38 Jermaine Thomas 5-11 192 Jr.
23 Chris Thompson 5-8 185 So.
FB 24 Lonnie Pryor 6-0 213 So.
FSU
LE 98 Markus White 6-4 265 Sr.
95 Bjoern Werner 6-4 273 Fr.
DT 93 Everett Dawkins 6-2 285 So.
97 Demonte McAllister 6-2 280 Fr.
NG 99 Jacobbi McDaniel 6-0 298 So.
92 Anthony McCloud 6-2 302 So
RE 49 Brandon Jenkins 6-3 250 So.
58 Dan Hicks 6-4 260 Fr.
SLB 16 Mister Alexander 6-3 237 Sr.
7 Christian Jones 6-4 228 Fr.
MLB 29 Kendall Smith 6-0 242 Sr.
WLB 13 Nigel Bradham 6-2 240 Jr.
BC 27 Xavier Rhodes 6-1 210 Fr.
NCB 1 Michael Harris 5-11 183 Jr.
FC 5 Greg Reid 5-8 185 So.
FS 10 Nick Moody 6-2 228 So.
SS 4 Terrance Parks 6-2 218 Jr.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Miami will be loaded in 2011
unless some of their juniors leave for the NFL. Their seniors in 2011 are from the #5 2008 recruiting class. Yes, they lose 11 senior starters after this season, but they return 11 juniors at 1-2 deep.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I would take us over them next year given we'll have another year of development
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I might agree b/c they only have one top 10 class (2008) since 2008 and
we have 3 (2008-2010). It will be interesting to see how this situation will shake out.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
He really bristled at question 3.
From the tone of the answer, you can feel the angry, defensive keystrokes. . . . You can just see him clicking and looking at our recruiting list, back at his, then back at ours. Then he blows out the frustration, and throws you the backhanded bone at the end with that cliche of “hopefully you’ll catch up to our amazing, targeted recruiting classes, as it’s good for the ACC for the FSU-UM rivalry to be big time again.” Love it. I’m sure he wrote and then deleted comments about there being plenty to go around in Florida, or Shannon recruited so surgically in 2008 that now he really doesn’t need to restock until next year unless they get the precise players they want, etc.
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Note also:
TWO uses of “I don’t think it’s fair to say . . .” Which—for the attorneys in the group—means: “I don’t have a logical response to your point, but I don’t like your point and I don’t want you to make it any more because it hurts.”
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by BigSpear on Oct 7, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ha Ha Ha
well said
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 7, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'ed for use of lawyerly parlance.
by paperjames on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
OBJECTION!!!
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SL – “Good call!!!”
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Liar Liar?
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Oct 8, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
How would you feel if someone asked you if your team was getting *lapped*?
I agree with Mike that their 2 post-NSD 5* pick-ups really boosted their 2010 class.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
1. They still have a bunch of scrubs from that class
and getting guys like that post-signing day isn’t sustainable. That happens quite rarely.
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I tend to agree with you that Miami just clearly isn't hitting the recruiting trail as hard as FSU
and even with their post-NSD recruits, FSU’s 2010 class > Miami’s.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
While it isnt sustainable,
cant they use that as momentum to not have to rely on last second (or I guess more appropriately, after last second) signings?
I dont want them to get that first domino going.
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Could, but I don't see many top guys remaining
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I was thinking more long term than short (long term being a 3-4 year window)
I agree that this next class is heavily in our favor, I just want to make sure when the last class that came in isnt helping to give them another breath of life in a couple years.
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Could be
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True!
You nailed it! Could we not find a more professional UM writer????
I thought he did a very nice job
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agreed. I dont think he lost his cool at all, and it's wrong to call him unprofessional.
Im actually a bit confused as to where the perception of an angry attitude came from.
We’re clearly pulling ahead in terms of overall quality; I disagree with Mike’s notion that last year’s class was a good one, but I agree with him that it’s premature to say we’re overlapping them.
2010 is one bad year for them. If signing day rolls around and they have the 2011 class TN’s writers are projecting, then I’ll agree that we’re as far ahead as Bud is indicating. A recruiting class isn’t really a class until they’re on the field though.
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by NorthernHaze on Oct 7, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
lapping them is probably an overstatement
beating them is not – but Clemson, UM, VT, NC are on the same lap as us (but certainly behind us) in recruiting
I don't see that
How are they on the same lap?
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He is looking through rose-colored glasses, but nothing compared to SEC
writers and bloggers. They all think their team is going to win the NC and all their players are the best at their respective positions. Delusional is the word that comes to mind.
He has a right to think he can win the NC
If they didn’t have a stoopid non-con schedule preventing them from getting there
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Homerism
I don’t think anybody else on this webiste should ever be called a homer. This guy is blinded by love of Miami. To say that FSU-UF have not lapped them in recruiting??? Um…… UF brought in 20 freaking 4* or higher players!!! FSU brought in 11. They brought in 8. And only because they added some guys late. They would have had 5 or 6. And this year only Texas has more ESPNU 150 players. Seriously Miami is getting hammered in recruiting.
Someone save this post.
Miami fans will tell you that Ed Reed was a two-star recruit. That’s correct. But Alonzo Highsmith was recruited by Notre Dame, Michigan, and every other program in the country. Kellen Winslow, Antrelle Rolle, Sean Taylor, and Vince Wilfork were all five-star recruits. This idea that Miami was built on below-average recruits is silly. The idea that with the advent of the internet, Miami is losing its edge in evaluating SoFla talent is not. Programs have greater access to SoFla kids and those kids from Miami have greater exposure to other programs.
Miami’s recruiting isn’t falling off a cliff and the ‘Canes will always have good players. But Miami might not always have great players. And that’s what I don’t understand about what Miami did last year. The Canes took this enormous class of very average players. Teams do not have unlimited scholarships. The ’Canes are stuck with these scrubs for the next four years! The idea that another Seantrel Henderson will fall in their lap after a program goes on probation unexpectedly and the father wants a rap career is unrealistic. The wise man builds his house upon the rock, and hoping to get big stars after signing day is no rock.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ed Reed changed the S position
Smaller players like him usually play corner, so when he was recruited he probably considered undersized at the time
by WinstonSalemNole on Oct 7, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Where are you getting those recruiting rankings?
Rivals existed back then and none of the players you listed were 5-star recruits.
Rolle was the closest, he was a 4 star and ranked in the top 50. None of the others were even in the Rivals top 100. IIRC Winslow was a 3 star, as was Taylor. I believe Wilfork was too. Taylor wasn’t even the most highly touted prospect on his own team. That title belonged to QB/LB/TE/future-benchwarmer Buck Ortega, though people finally started to realize what a talent Taylor was after he set the singe-season TD record at Gulliver his SR year.
Reading those old lists is loads of fun. Miami wasn’t built on 5-star players or on nobodies though. Like all good programs it was the right combination of the 2.
11 to 8 is lapping?
and who cares if some came in early or late? Are they on the team or not is all that matters.
Yes, it is lapping
Please see the other posts.
It matters when they came in because it’s not a repeatable skill and it’s showing up this year as well.
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I am very curious to see what our resident gurus think we will throw at UM
that we have not shown really on D before like those CB blitzes last week and how they thing we will start our offensive attack and what you think their priority is to stop (run or play the pass) at the start. I feel like we have aces up our sleeves on both sides for this game. Ponder and the O are experienced so they can add on to the playbook and the D ‘seems’ to be grasping the foundations.
Hopefully not many blitzes
He’s at his worst when he holds the ball and forces stuff
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm jumping the gun here
but do you like a cover 2, 3, or 4 look from our D on Saturday night?
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2
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Couldnt agree more bud
any kind of blitzing is really risky (since harris has a tendancy to destroy man coverage). I hope to see some stats in your break down of how he has faired against zone coverage defenses while playing at home.
2 all day
Harris is the kind of guy that you force to beat you by making smart decisions for a 10 play drive. You blitz him and leave a guy singled up where he doesn’t have to read coverage is playing into his hands.
Make him put it over the backers in front of the safety or outside the numbers
Now can we stop the run from 2?
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Cover 2 sound good for the most part but.....
I’d like to see a lot of cover 3 packages as well, to help out our safeties and to keep Hankerson and Co. from running vertical routes with no one over the top for support.
Stopping the run from Cover-2 is gonna take some good play from our LBs
Jacory throws that seam route quite well and we don't yet squeeze it worth a damn
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Cover 3 frightens me
You’ll have an extra guy in the box, yes. But Hankerson and Benjamin would run up the seam all day and I don’t trust Parks to pass that test. Our front is just gonna have to play lights out in order to stop the run.
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 7, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud, do you see any nickel package
cover 2 with a man iso on hankerson?
Could I'm sure
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Exactly
and Harris & his WRs have years of experience squeezing the ball into the seam… and our DBs have a few games under their belt and have been beat this way by OU, BYU, etc.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
That is a really good question.
I think this is the week our guys will have to do a good job in the pre-snap of disguising coverage. I think we are going to roll more coverage this week than we have all season.
I am nervous with Greg Reid this week he knows Harris throws picks I just dont want him out trying to jump routes and not really focusing on his keys. Sounds a little crazy but I will except an early personal foul on Moody for spearing someone up the seam because you want those WR to hear footsteps all night on that route.
Useful
penalty? I’ll take it.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
If that seam is coming from a TE we can widen our ends to get a chuck on that TE before he gets his release. We just need that half a second on play action to let those backers recover from the play fake.
Miami's TE isn't much this year
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My position group to most effect this game is the DT’s. If they force control the inside running game and push the pocket up the middle we are in really good shape. Harris floats balls as it is but if he can’t step up in the pocket that throw down the seam will be really hard to complete. He will continue to throw it though and that is where we get our turnovers this week.
Agreed.
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Making the DE widen out to a "9" technique slows down his pass rush & creates an additional unnecessary run bubble.
I hate it….personally and professionally.
Oderint Dum Metuant
good question
But GR has been tackling like Tay Cody the past few games
Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?
2 puts a lot on our Safeties
If we run 2 a lot, that means we are making Moody and Parks defend against the deep ball which is Miami’s most desirable match up. I see us playing a lot more cover 3 and 4, and cover 2 to the boundary with X manning up on their #1 if he runs vertical
Makes sense
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Crap
I’m going to have to go read up on the “zone god damn defense”* again.
- Thanks to DRusso97.
lol
I think once you memorize Cover 2 vs Cover 3, everything else falls into place.
Cover 2 – your two safeties have half the deep field, each, to cover:

Cover 3 – one safety rotates down into the box, the other covers the middle deep 1/3, and your two corners have deep outside 1/3 responsibility:

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I see what you did there....
I see your “thanks” and raise you a “You’re welcome”…
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Really!? i like the 3 we've been running with one corner rolled up and pressing and the safties rolling to that side with the other CB dropping.
of coarse mixed with Cover 2
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How does Miami threaten the 2
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You don't think the recievers can get the better of our safteies?
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actually like cover 2 man
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Every one accounted for underneath with instant double coverage deep.
Harris and Whipple get impatient with the underneath stuff and will start attacking the teeth of the defense over the top…Am i getting this right?
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Oct 7, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
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ah well thats diferent now isn't it?
You think that’s likely with Stoops? Seems like cover three is his go to club off the tee.
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We ran it some last game
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Good Call
I’ll take the coverage sack or INT…this sure sounds like a grow up game for the secondary
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont really think its fair to say we've lapped them either
We’re ahead for the last 1.5 years… and UF has definitely killed both teams, there’s no debating that. overlapping is the direction recruiting is taking, but I dont think its already there by any means
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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
looks pretty even, if you're not including the ass kicking we're giving them this cycle
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by NorthernHaze on Oct 7, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Think more telling
is to looks at the bottom end of the classes. FSU did much better than UM, no? Ricobert1? Graph me buddy.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like
get rid of 4 and 5 star players. How do the teams stack up after that. Miami with 2’s, bad 3’s? If Miami had a bunch of 3s that are scrubs it may not show up.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Very interesting

Miami’s scrub rate is definitely on the rise. Excellent call, OBR!
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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Now that
is quality. REC.
Great WORK!
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
One caveat to these numbers
is that lineman are poorly evaluated. Nonetheless, UF is minimal on scrubs while Miami is showing they can only get lesser quality players per class.
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Just olineman right?
Or Dlineman poorly eval’ed too?
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the consensus is just OL
DL assessment is usually based on pure athleticism and size. OL need to be a bit more cerebral and take longer to develop physically and mentally. Only the monsters (6’6+ 300+) get 4* or higher.
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Fair enough.
In that case that leaves them with A LOT of skill guys, DB’s, WR’s, LB’s whoever that aren’t top quality. Going to have to find a BUNCH of ‘diamonds in the rough.’ Which we know, while it makes a good story, just doesn’t happen that often. Like Bud said, stuck with these guys for a while.
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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oooo
Can we now get a color-coordinated (using both team colors, such as G&G, o&b, O&G) to show the amount of each team’s 4-5*s and 2-3*s side-by-side?
So, FSU’s 10 4-5s in Garnet next to its 13 2-3s in Gold for 2010, etc. (Actually, the uf comparison would look depressing, huh? The UM one encouraging. The FSU one…?)
Thanks for both charts, by the way! Awesome job.
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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Haha, yikes.
3:1 for Miami last year. I’m not seeing any other class for any of the schools worse than 2:1, and that was our 2007 class, which is KILLING us right now.
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Ok now break it down by position
Kidding. Love the graphs
Damn! Look at our 2006 class... they would be seniors this year. What a waste!
Hopefully, UF’s ’09 class is a similar bust.
If it makes you feel better, most of those guys would probably be gone.
Only 5th year seniors would remain. Only 4 of those twenty 4/5* guys would likely have any eligibility left (Ponder, McMahon and Jenije are 3 of them, Sims is the 4th).
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LOL
You’re all over these things. Great job. I actually envisioned each team’s two bars side-by-side (so UM’s 2010 Green would tower over its Orange bar; that, too, would’ve been hard to read, with so many bars on there), but this works, too.
Although, seeing it this way, I’m not sure why so many people think we beat uf this year. Their 4-5s have rocked ours every year but 08 (well, and 06, but how many of those guys do we have left?).
And UF isn't near as good as the past few years, so there's a chance.
Unless you’re saying people are saying it’s a given, which is just stupid, obviously.
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I agree there's a chance
But on a fan shot from a few days ago I read a post that seemed to indicate we would dominate uf. That’s what I was thinking of when I typed out the above comment.
Updated with Henderson & Anderson?
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They counted Stanley for us it looks like
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UM won 3 of last 4 years...
… according to these graphs, so I think “lapping” is quite the overstatement. Now, once 2011 is over, maybe things will start to look different.
2010 and 2011
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Well, meyer's first year
Was comparable to Jimbo’s first year in 07 – neither one had a whole lot of time to put a great class together.
Did you note this? As of right now:
Miami=3 commitments, “hoping to” take 15-18
FSU=15 commitments, expecting to take the full 25
You read that right, FSU has already taken the same number of recruits that Miami hopes to land in this class, but you’re a fool and an FSU homer to believe that FSU is dominating Miami in recruiting.
There will be no changing of the guard.
FSU has a longer way to go than UM.
Randy Shannon’s going to be there forever.
An FSU victory will only mean that FSU is “catching up” to Miami.
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I would love to see shannon there FOREVER
by ChyTownNole on Oct 7, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The quality of the classes is where UM faces issues.....
Last years class was full of average players; next year with this small class Miami has to bring in a small number of elite type players……judging by how UM is starting out do you really faith that they will do that with FSU , UF and other schools already off to such good starts? (See Bud’s list below)
Youre right there is no changing of the guard, UM is MUCH closer to FSU than you want to believe and to see the world with your orange and green class is your choice.
But I’d say its hard to say FSU is “catching up” to Miami when UM barely beat an average to below average FSU team last year, hasnt beaten FSU at home since 2004, hasnt won a bowl game since a 1 point win over Nevada in 2006.
Miami has 8 commits with only 3 being 4* or higher and none being 5*.
We have nearly as many 5* as Miami has 4* to this point and could land up to 3 more (Drew, Steward, O’Leary, assuming Rivals expands their 5* total to ~30 and current player rankings stay the same). I think Miami only has a chance at two (O’Leary and Farmer, and I’m no insider but I thought recent word is they don’t lead for either).
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This guy...
bugs me a little…I guess not all college football fans can be as reasonable and grounded as most on TN. Last year’s FSU v Miami game was a dropped pass away from an FSU victory and the year before that we handled them at their place. Most agree that Miami is a few steps ahead (mostly on defense I think) but to act like FSU is coming from the cellar of college football is ridiculous. 30 some odd consecutive bowl games would say otherwise. They lost to Wisonsin in their bowl. FSU beat WVU. They are still lacking a few signature wins to be elite and miles ahead of FSU….kinda typical UM guy….A bit cocky with not a lot of backup.
I honestly am not used to Miami fans so eloquent on the interwebs.
iTs aLL about Da U!
Is usually the response, I get on Youtube/ESPN.
by NOLEmercy3 on Oct 7, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
give credit
where credit is due, I guess. We should just appreciate the fact that his cocky homerism was stated in full sentences without using the word “swagger.”
Lets slow down a second
Last years game could have gone any number of ways. I dont think our offense is going to be as good as it was last year (Bud has done an excellent job going over the Oline problems we are having this year, and while Im sure most of you dont agree, I think Ponder is way off of his accuracy from last year) and there defense is elite. Our defense will be better, and I think Jacory sucks, but he is good enough to throw those lobs to the elite UM WRs.
And the only reason we beat WVU last year is because there coach was either too stupid, or too nice to run it down our throats every play. We stole that game.
Lets not look at last year. Our future is brighter, but as far the present, I am worried about taking a loss here.
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Miami is also still in the ballgame for TE Nick O’Leary, WRs Sammy Watkins and George Farmer, and DBs Dallas Crawford and Jabari Gorman. Everything looks good for LB Denzel Perryman to commit any day now.
This is true. Watkins is a Clemson-Miami battle and will hurt us in the future, but look at how the Canes are with some of these kids?
Name
Tony Steward
James Wilder Jr.
Hasean Clinton-Dix
Karlos Williams
Mike Bellamy
Jeff Driskel
Nick O’Leary
Marcus Roberson
Mike Blakely
Demetrius Hart
Sammy Watkins
A.C. Leonard
Marlin Lane
Timmy Jernigan
Teddy Bridgewater
Bobby Hart
Tyler Moore
Wayne Lyons
Andrew Buie
Aaron Lynch
Ryan Shazier
Kelvin Benjamin
Giorgio Newberry
Louchiez Purifoy
Gerrod Holliman
Zach DeBell
Nick Waisome
Chevelle Buie
D.J. Pettway
Brandon Fulse
Lonnie Gosha
Jabari Gorman
Cortez Davis
Anthony Chickillo
Tacoi Sumler
Nile Lawrence-Stample
Jacoby Brissett
Javares McRoy
Phillip Ely
Rashad Greene
Jerrard Randall
Tre Mason
Robenson Therezie
Jeremy Cash
Ja’Juan Story
Andrew Johnson
Devonta Freeman
Johnathan Aiken
Phillip Dorsett
Bryant Dubose
De’Ante Saunders
Marcus Jackson
Jordan Prestwood
Kevin Grooms
Matt Roth
Errin Joe
Alex Dixon
Ramik Wilson
Kent Turene
Dallas Crawford
Jeff Heuerman
Calvin Pryor
Denzel Perryman
Derrick Mitchell
Terry Bell
Ritchy Desir
Gionni Paul
Corey Tindal
Charles Gaines Jr.
Javorius Allen
Anthony Rabasa
Curt Maggitt
Hunter Joyer
Curt Evans
Ahmad Christian
Mike Matulis
Keelin Smith
Tony Posada
Sterling Lovelady
Roderick Ryles
Eric Beverly
Kevin Sousa
Javess Blue
Allen Ramsey
Clay Burton
Chris Johnson
Cody Preble
Max Chapman
DeVondrick Nealy
Thomas Finnie
Eli Rogers
Ruben Carter
Ricardo Williams
Andre Davis
Tom Smith
Demarious Rancifer
Anthony Harrell
Shaun Ward
Terrell Floyd
Tevin Westbrook
Miami is missing on the state’s top players for the second year in a row. Dallas Crawford is a top 60 player in Florida. UF & FSU don’t want him.
An overwhelming number of the top players in the state are choosing FSU, UF, or out of state.
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
just a tag regarding Dallas Crawford
I believe the only reason the Miami is really after Crawford is b/c of his relationship with Sammy Watkins (teammates, best friends and really want to attend same college – or at least that’s what they’ve said in interviews). I know on TR that many Canes are not overly enamored with Crawford.
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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Looking at this year
No way does FSU take
Menocal
Rogers
Davis
Not sure on Dorsett/ Jean/ Jackson
FSU would take Bridgewater and Chikillo
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I believe
Not sure on Dorsett/ Jean/ Jackson
I believe that FSU would take any of those 3.
Jackson is a very good OG prospect and I believe that we did try to swing him after his commit. Not sure how hard we pushed, but he would’ve been a very difficult pull especially once he committed. UF was (and perhaps still is) very hard after him in the summer.
ALJ has the potential to be an elite level CB at the collegiate level.
Dorsett is probably one of the 5 or 6 best WRs in FL and a top 10-15 type WR in the country (yes I am saying that WR is that strong in Florida compared to the rest of the country for 2010). To me he is very close to Rashad Greene as a WR prospect.
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Harris with 8 INTs in his last 101 attempts
Ponder/Manuel 0 on past 89.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
some of those incompletions Ponder threw in the UVA game
would have been INTs against a secondary like Miami’s.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
2010 class and so far 2011
5 Stars
FSU- 4
Miami-2
4 Stars
FSU- 12
Miami- 8
3 Stars
FSU-22
Miami- 21
2 Stars
FSU-0
Miami- 4
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I think the guy from UM is pretty fair minded about his team.
They still recruit well and their guys, while not many, are playing very well. You replace Harris with just about any other 4 star qb and Miami is probably undefeated at this point.
Against OSU they come out after the half, drive the field and Harris throw a pic in the end zone. Don’t do that and it is a two point game. If they win on sat they might steal one recruit. They win their division maybe one more. Win the ACC maybe two more. Their last class wasn’t stellar but hey we got J Bright and a few others as well.
Lets just beat miami like we should have last year (we had that game) and teach everyone down there the Noles are still the team they fear the most.
What ever happend to Harley playing safety? I thought the guy was built like a beast. Is there no way he beats out Jenji for 2nd string?
Miami outplayed us last year and we were quite lucky to make it as close as it was
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SunLife getting completely resodded yesterday and today...
Props to goatnole74 with the link. Hope they have an excellent grounds crew, but this seems a bit ridiculous to do with less than 60 hours before game time! They are resodding the ENTIRE field!
http://www.instacam.com/InstaCAM/imagelist_by_week.asp?id=PROPL
This never seems to go well when they do this stuff.
Hey I ain't that old(I feel older)......LOL
I didn’t realize they started on the 6th instead of the 5th, don’t know how much difference it would make though. I hope there aren’t any problems with the turf.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
That field sorely needs it though.
Did you notice it during the Dolphins game Monday night? It looked like a patchwork quilt what with all the crap grass thrown on top of the baseball field. I was surprised I never saw a corner fall down while trying to backpedal over it. Anything is an upgrade over what they played on Monday.
My question is
What is Miami planning to do now that our annual pattycake game is over. How will they respond when Jimbo steps on their throat?
Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?
Again, I'm jumping the gun, Bud
But Jimbo has managed to put quite a few points on the board against UM. Does he have Shannon’s #? What part of the scheme that Jimbo employs gives UM the most trouble defensively?
Or are the past numbers against UM just reflective of UM having a below-average defense and FSU just executing its defense?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Haven't they diversified?
I think Jimbo was picking apart the Cover 2 Man scheme that Shannon relied on for so many years. They’re more “multiple” now…
Its all in the game.
Multiple?
It actually looks like the same scheme just with more pressure. Still seems to be lots of man coverage to me.
They are much more multiple now
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This is a huge factor
on stopping our offense. UF is multiple (and had great defensive personnel, to boot). UM could give us lots and lots of problems.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
They also have a new defensive line coach
I guess he is working wonders with their defensive line as well.
he should only be photographed wearing his helment
by 93noleman on Oct 7, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I bet he's never really gotten picked on about it though.
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maybe that gator he shoveled
said something to him
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
or just stared at it too long.
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Another out of Miami's backyard
PTS—Do you have a leader at this point? and why?
RC—FSU is my leader and who I really want to commit to because I love the program they are rebuilding. A lot of great players and coaches are involved and I can’t miss the opportunity to learn fast and play even faster.
PTS—Can you see yourself being a Seminole, if so, for what reasons?
RC—YES, I’m sure I will be a Nole in the near future and for a lot of the right reasons. With it not being too far from home, and being able to become an All-American. I wouldn’t miss the chance to play alongside of Trey Pettis and Bobby Hart who are both great players.
From PlantTheSpear
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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to have to disagree with many here about responses given. I think Mike did a decent job in answering the questions posed.
I think we are spoiled here by the objective way Bud runs this site. Most other sites are set up to be run in a homeristic way to feed off and be supported by homerists fans.
I am sure Mike feels he answered the question objectively, whether we agree or not, that is the way he sees the UM program.
Even though I disagree with some parts of almost all his answers, I am actually quite impressed with his responses and how he handled himself, especially when compared with the less than objective and arrogant way many of the UM followers think and speak.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Oct 7, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I thought this was one of the best Q&A's we've had all year. Mike is a good writer and I don't think he homered it up much other than the recruiting question
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Agreed. Here are just a couple of points I do not agree with, although he follows UM much closer than I do, so he may be right. But from my uneducated POV,
The LB corps question is no longer the question it was entering the season. They have performed beyond all expectations.
With the exception of Sean Spence, the rest of the LB core is average at best. If they are exceeding all expectations, their expectations must have been set low.
RE: Travis Benjamin comment. I question whether WR Travis Benjamin is indeed under-performing or if it is a conspiracy to protect Harris. Benjamin was publicly called out by Shannon in the media, but I think that may have been done by Shannon to deflect blame from Harris and to protect his confidence and ego. Additionally, Benjamin is a very good punt returner and can break one anytime just like G5, but Benjamin will usually go down on first contact, which should be good for us.
Also they have given up 17 sacks in 4 games (although FSU has given up 25 in 5 games also), so they too are experiencing OL problems across the board, not just with Figueroa.
I think this game is critical for both programs. If Miami wins, they continue their momentum into the ACC slate. If FSU wins, they gain some ground on Miami.
No need to go into this any further than you and the rest already have, except to say it is much more critical for Miami to win than FSU, and the ground between programs is not as great as Mike makes it appear.
The Hurricanes added Seantrel Henderson and Latwan Anderson late, both five-star prospects.
Already discussed enough.
RE: the running game.
The numbers are there and the balance is great, and Miami has tremendous talent at RB.Agree that the balance is there with 142 rush attempts vs. 130 pass attempts. However, they are being out-rushed by their opponents for the season, and are only averaging 3.8 yards per attempt as a team, although Berry and Miller do have a better average through the first 4 games, but the drop off in talent from there is greater than what he makes it to be.
He’s done an outstanding job of flipping the talent on this team.
If he means this the way I understand it, I beg to differ.
and
If Shannon goes 9-3 and 10-2 most seasons, he’ll always have a job.The few true UM fans they have are loyal but fickle, and I am not so sure that even 9-3 and 10-2 will keep them happy for a long period of time. In the eyes of those few true fans, they should be competing for the NC year in and year out, and they will voice their displeasure after a few more years of being out of NC contention.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Re: 9-3 seasons
Wasn’t Coker considered on the hot seat for a 9-3 season in 2005?
With those back to back 9-3 seasons in '04-'05? Yes, I believe so.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Different management...
different expectations from administration.
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Shalala was the president back then though, so what's different?
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Guess I mean
different expectations from management from when they were perennially elite. She took over in 2001. So that commitment that was there in the 80’s and 90’s not there anymore. 2004-2005 was the first time the UM fans had to deal with suck (in the form of 3 losses). They freaked out. They changed staffs. Now this is their shot to get back to better than a 9-3 team. But it might be their last for a while. And if they stay a 9-3 team (top 15 team) doubt Shalala/administration would do anything about it-like the staff in the 90’s would have done.
Sum up, expectations for Cane’s fans might need to reflect that. /NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
Did Randy Shannon maintain control over his defense from 2001-2006?
In what ways did Coker lose control of his football team? I understand this to be common knowledge, however, I’ve never been privy as to what the control issues were.
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Oct 7, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Great points
Regarding a win against UM and recruiting, I really don’t think it’s make or break. If I were a recruit and saw FSU lost (but were still competitive), and in my gut really felt that FSU was rising fast to national prominence again, then a loss might make me want to come to FSU even more because I might have a chance to play/start earlier… And I think the coaches can use it that way to their advantage. So a win is a win, and a loss could even be a win.
Or I could just be saying this to myself to prepare myself for a loss.
Agreed, I have no problem with his answers.
Who cares if he puts on his Orange & Green glasses occasionally? Don’t we ALL sip too much of our own team’s Kool-Aid from time to time?
by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes yes, accusations of lacking professionalism is insulting and could hurt TN's chances of getting Q&As with excellent writers.
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by NorthernHaze on Oct 7, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone questioned professionalism...
I could be wrong but did anyone say he was unprofessional? Most are questioning his slight homerism.
someone said “could TN not find anyone more professional?”
I guess it kinda stuck out in my mind, so yeah most responses here are ok.
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by NorthernHaze on Oct 7, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
good
I think he was plenty professional…just missed the mark of impartiality a bit. I guess at the end of the day his job is to be partial so this all might be irrelevant.
I have no problem with his answers either
I think his comments on recruiting reflect a different view of recruiting as a whole than ours. He is most likely fine with taken a few 3* kids and believes stars matter less than we do. And if you are more of a results guy than process guy you dont care how you end up with Anderson and Henderson as long as you end up with them. Just imagine how bad this would have been if this was done with the 7th floor.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It would not have been done and not even considered with those a$$holes. I'm not Bud, but I am fairly confident.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Agreed
Those who don’t agree with his comments can field Bud’s questions for him and see what the UM posters have to say in response.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Are Henderson & Anderson repeatable?
Ed Reed was a 2*
But Alonzo Highsmith was recruited by Notre Dame, Michigan, and every other program in the country. Kellen Winslow, Antrelle Rolle, Sean Taylor, and Vince Wilfork were all five-star recruits. This idea that Miami was built on below-average recruits is silly. The idea that with the advent of the internet, Miami is losing its edge in evaluating SoFla talent is not. Programs have greater access to SoFla kids and those kids from Miami have greater exposure to other programs.
Miami’s recruiting isn’t falling off a cliff and the ‘Canes will always have good players. But Miami might not always have great players. And that’s what I don’t understand about what Miami did last year. The Canes took this enormous class of very average players. Teams do not have unlimited scholarships. The ’Canes are stuck with these scrubs for the next four years!
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I agree they aren't repeatable
Just saying if you are looking from the UM side it isn’t so bad if you want to pretend it isn’t. Sort of like how LSU fans pretended Miles was a good coach for a couple of years.
by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew more than a few LSU fans ready to jump off the cliff
when Les first got the job. Those cajuns were on to the hatter (however, winning a title, killing recruiting, and being undefeated so far this year is tough to complain about)
when you are trying to change
The culture it doesn’t hurt to skip over a few primas. Wisconsin beat them in a bowl game. How many 4 stars do they have? Once they get a good base they can easily add some local talent. Granted I am not sure this is by design or just a result of circumstance.
Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?
As a Nole, loved use of the verb "lapped"
But it would have ticked me off. I think it’s accurate but it would have made me mad.
I think that over the years, UM’s classes have rarely been ranked as good as they really were, simply because so many of their players all came from the same place.
It’s pretty rare to see a RB from down there put up numbers like, say 2500 yards rushing in a season in high school but there’s a back that does that every year in North Carolina or some other place like that. Give me a back that gets 1400 in a season from Dade County every time.
Back to “lapped.” That’s such a strong word, it’s one thing to get passed on the track but “lapped” says you got passed TWICE.
Thought the interview was good, logical, well reasoned. Nothing like being redudant repeatedly.
Agreed on the "lapped" part
People are getting on the guy for being too much of a homer, but I think it’s fair to expect him to naturally defend his team when someone representing a fierce rival program uses a word as strong as “lapped” in that context.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Oct 7, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami pulled kids from all over the place though for its better teams of the decade
The most recent class is a clear step down from anything they’ve had in a decade
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I'm talking back when they were REALLY good
I’m talking 80’s and 90’s. And even early this decade.
They got Ken Dorsey from California. So that’s one. DJ Williams was the big name and Jon Vilma was the “after thought.” UM was laughed at for signing him, for example.
From a historical perspective, they’ve been at their best when their team was from what Schnellenberger called the “State of Miami.” Other than QBs, the QBs have been from Pennsylvania (Jim Kelly, Vinne Testaverde, Frank Costa) or Ohio (Kosar) or California (Dorsey, Torretta) and even Minnesota (Walsh) for their really, really good teams.
The only QB that they had on those great teams from Florida, I think, was Craig Erickson from West Palm Beach.
They pulled a ton of kids from Texas and the northeast
http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=2
But I agree, them not getting the SoFla kids hurts them bigtime
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Don't you think they've had "lesser" players from SE Fla that turned out better
They lesser known names, like Vilma, have been better than say, DJ Williams, don’t you think? I would rather them go after the big names, nationally, than focus on their backyard.
Another old example. Jesse Armstead was from Dallas Carter and ranked number one in the country in 1989. At the same time, they also got Michael Barrow and Darrin Smith out of South Florida. And of the three, against FSU anyway, Armstead clearly did the least.
I would rather them go after the scrubs nationally like the 2* from Rhode Island, etc
But yeah recruit your backyard unless you have a specific need.
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It's not just backyard recruiting, in my mind
1. Ther numbers there are incredible.
2. The weather.
3. The culture. Southeast Florida can be, well, just a mean place, in a lot of ways. You have to be tough just to survive it, near as I can tell. And football is a tough game. I think that just toughing things out, down there, makes football “easy” in a sense.
If Tennessee tried to recruit their backyard, they’ve be horrible every year. So, I think it depends on where your backyard is.
Another advantage I think they have is, due to proxmity, they know what a guy’s warts are better. So, maybe they can back off a guy that everyone else likes.
Then again, as you say, if they are more interested in graduating and staying out of the slam, maybe that’s a reason to not recruit there quite so heavily?
2* from Rhode Island. I like that.
I meant if you are Miami, recruit your backyard.
I think you’re on to something
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"The U"
Really recommend watching that ESPN 30 for 30. Really gives you insight to South Florida not just Miami.
I refuse
Sorry. I can’t do it. I was there for too many of the heartbreaks. Going back to 1980, when we got beat 10-9. Think we had about 7 botched snaps. We didn’t lose the ball on all of them, but we lost the play. Under today’s rules,we win that one, just as, if they hadn’t narrowed the goal posts, we win in 1991 and probably 1992 (or at least tie that one, surely one of the three misses goes through, if not more but they missed one wide, as well.)
Point is, after living it, I can’t watch it. I’m headed down for what will be my 38th FSU/UM football game in person. Which really makes me feel older than I am.
FSU
is only in there for like two minutes. And all the Canes talk about how they respected us. We kept them on the schedule the Gators didn’t. But still it is a very good documentary.
Cool
I would end up watching it like I would watch slasher flicks when I was growing up then. With my hands over my eyes, LOL.
I’ve been told before how well done it is.
one interesting part
when theyre tlaking about UMs second title they fail to bring up the 5 bowl loses they had in between the first and second title (the actual number maybe be high or lower). the funny part is they dont mention this at all, but one of the clips they use you can hear the commentators talking about it
>>>─────;;─►
They lost 3 in a row
Lost in 84, 85 and 86. 85 could have won them the national title, got beat by Tenn 35-7 in the Sugar, OU wins it all. Only loss was to UM.
Then, 86, Fiesta was for the title, got beat by Penn State.
They finished in the top 3 for seven years in a row, from 86 to 92.
The only thing I didn't like
No Warren Sapp or Ray Lewis in it. Although they kinda played towards the end of era, it would have been nice to see their views and everything.
Sapp would've been awesome
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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
ya i was worried about it too
but it turned out to be a pretty cool film, especially the part about the demolition of the old orange bowl =)
the part about FSU was respectable, and you get to see a clip of the Seminole Rap which is always a treat
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I don't hate Miami
Maybe the fans, but I respect the program. We recruit the same players. We recruit their players cousins, they recruit our players brothers. But it is a good rivalry.I hate the the Gators. The team. The colors. The fans. Their stupid mascot. I hate the “Marsh”. One thing I did hate about Miami was the stupid Orange Bowl. It is like Baton Rouge at night. Voodoo happens there.
by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's more of a disgust for me in terms of
I hated hearing how they won in 1991 due to “heart.” “Heart” would have been blocking the kick. It’s not heart to yell “Noonan, Miss” as the ball is being kicked.
That’s just stupid luck. But there’s also the disgust that I’ve had with us for just giving it to them in so many stupid ways over the years, as well.
Miami
Reminds me of that cousin that no one else likes but that you always got a long with. Your ghetto, thug cousin, (maybe just me because I have one.) They just don’t understand that cousin but you do.Everyone likes you because you are the nice guy, respectable, Southern gentlemanly(Bobby Bowden and most of his seminoles). Everyone hates your brother because they suck, have bad taste in clothes and always talks smack for no reason(the Florida Gators.)
Here's what I LOVE
I love being able to say that we won the last game that FSU/UM ever played there. And did it by coming from behind. And did it by making a field goal. In a close game. And it rained, etc., etc.
Then, of course, I love laughing about how the last time the Canes ever played there, they got beat 48 to ZIP!!!! Jerome Brown must have been turning over in his grave.
Scary place...
But the last couple years there were vanilla. Crowd control was taken seriously and there were less drugs and fighting in the stands. Underage drinking was never curbed though. :-D
Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.
by Caveman Mafia on Oct 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Florida
Historically doesn’t tend to produce elite NFL QBs or even great College QBs for that matter. The only good ones I can think of are Jeff Blake and Daunte Culpepper. Although I don’t know if we go to California for a QB ever again after the failed Chris Rix experiment.
If hes good hes good.....
If a QB is good and he’s from Cali, I dont think Rix’s failure would preclude us from taking him.
Rix didnt fail because he was from Cali, he failed because Jeff Bowden and Dickey were “coaching” him
Probably right.
Although if I am not mistaken a lot of the kids didn’t like his attitude. I thought I remember hearing that on some of the broadcasts. Either way, you are right get the best QB who fits the system Jimbo wants to run.
Probably from when he tried
running for student body president. That was a hoot. His attitude may have sucked, but poor coaching killed that kid
When you say NFL QBs, that's a small sample size
There are so few NFL QBs I’m not sure any state can claim to produce an overwhelming number but…
I think our state has produced some good college ones though. Wuerrful. Kanell. That linebacker that’s in Denver wasn’t bad in college.
I do agree that so many our our high school programs run offenses that are more suited to wide receivers playing QB though. Not many high schools here seem to drop back and throw it here, anymore. Not like they used to.
Good yes
But elite, NFL studs tend to not come from this state. California and Texas. Even Alabama has a better tradition of QBs than our state. Our best QB ever was Charlie Ward. Even he was not from Florida. Out top two QBs this year are from Texas and Virginia. Not to slight our state, we produce the best talent in the country, I would rather take a lesser known QB from Texas. Bad recruiting? Maybe, but in Texas and California they throw all day. Like you said our state Basically has WR’s playing QB. Andre Dubose, Christian Green and Anquan Boldin come to mind.
California
12 of 32 starters. That’s 37.5%. Wonder what percentage of the US population lives in California? I’m not going to look it up but say 50 million out of 300 milliion would be 16.67% so they have more than twice what they “should” have perhaps?
Charlie was from Florida. I know he says he was from Thomasville, Ga but man, it’s so close I consider it North Florida. Funny thing is, they think Tallahassee is in South Georgia, LOL.
Nice.
Still. We can not brag about producing the best NFL talent without saying we don’t produce the best QB’s. Texas and California produce better QBs. We have better defenders and skill positions IMHO. Midwest has better OLine prospects. Each area has its strenghts.
Can't always look at population
There are more kids in Texas that participate in HS football than there is here in Cali. OH and Fla have about equal numbers participating despite Florida’s population being about 5 million more. That being said, it’s an absurd amount of Quarterback camps and schools out here making it a bit more conducive to long term success for the truly talented kids
by westcoastnolefan on Oct 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
That is what Cali takes pride in. So does Texas. We take pride in producing big defenders and speed. You don’t need to be big and fast to be a QB. If you were take the our state’s 50 best players I would say more are either on defense or skill positions. Yes I know Tebow, Culpepper and other QBs are there but every other position is where our strengths are at.
It's definitely more Georgia than Florida.
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Everything north of I-4 is Florida.
Everything south of I-4 is another country entirely.
S. Fla is still my favorite part of the state.
least favorite is anything north of the I-4 corridor & not within 25 miles of the ocean.
Oderint Dum Metuant
You could just say anything in Florida more than 25 miles from the coast.
I don’t think I’d want to live in Pahokee, Labelle, Avon Park, Arcadia or Okeechobee as much as like Bonifay, Mayo, Blountstown, Starke or Jasper.
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Particular reason?
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Interview was excellent. I thought Bud's questions were great.
Was “lapped” a strong word? Absolutely. But its miami, our rivals so F*k’em! I would imagine they had some “strong” things to say in there questions to bud.
Bud, what do you make of Greg Reid's recent talk?
I can’t imagine the coaching staff likes to hear him running his mouth again. Hopefully he backs it up this time and he doesn’t perform like he did against UF last year and OU this year.
Rivalry game. Everyone already hyped. No big deal
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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I personally like a little trash talk.
I just hope he plays like he has been lately and not like OU.
I agree 100%
If the U is not up for this rivalry game and are reading their press clippings, this could be the Orange Bowl closing all over again, meaning losing badly when they should not and playing without heart. That was the game that will always stick out in my mind, and told me that RS was not a good coach, to have that team fall that flat in that moment….. They were listless. and that was not an overmatched team at all, and I thought he would get fired after that game, oh well, Long live the Reign of Randy at the U!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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IIRC Reid played exceptionally well against Miami last year. I am confident Reid will have a good game. The way Harris lobs balls up in the air, it’s hard not believe he won’t.
G5 will learn the hard way--
….there is a marked difference between exuberence and trashy banter….I bet OU performance is eating at him. Him playing with a chip is a good thing.
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
You're calling his recent quotes trashy banter?
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As posted by others, Im sure the Coaches would rather G5 not be "bulletin boarded"
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 7, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I hardly consider that good bulletin board material.
Maybe it’s just me.
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Bobby and Schellenberger (sp?)
Bobby and schellenberger in their confrontations on TV prior to the games stirred up the interest in the game. Howard’s drawing a fence around Miami efforts in recruiting started getting the recruits staying in Florida and not going to Oklahoma and Nebraska, made our teams.
We need to beat Miami this year to put us on map in the nation and in Miami, we couldn’t ask for better exposure than ESPN on Saturday night.
Bobby and Howard’s little show every year, might not have been great TV, but it was effective.
I would like to see us fake a kick.
They come so hard, the fake has to be there. (preemptive twss)
Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?
The meltdown could reach epic
proportions if we pull O’Leary
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
Stuff the run, Stay Deep, prevent big returns....
our not so flashy but very effecient offense will do the rest. FSU 24 MIA 17
If we do 8-4 or better
“our not so flashy but very efficient offense” will sum up the offense quite well.
I love reading the comments from this post.. they're tremendous.
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A Great Thread...
…all the stats and the links…just impressive as hell. Best FSU site anywhere.
F W C .
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 7, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike, Eye of the Hurricane
I read the whole blog and I’m impressed with the knowledge on this board.
I’m impressed overall with the quality that is on this board.
I know its early/late, but I really enjoyed the back and forth with Bud on EOTH. He’s very knowledgeable.
I know we disagree on recruiting, but I tried to answer the questions he posed to the best of my ability. I took off the orange and green glasses and tried to give an honest, real look at the ’Canes. I think I did that.
Hopefully tomorrow night I can join your discussion. No promises, but I’ll try my best to answer questions like Chief did on EOTH if I can be on.
Thanks to TN. You guys are great.
by miamimike01 on Oct 8, 2010 2:52 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I was just joking in my post, by the way, about number 3.
I didn’t really think you were being that defensive.
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They they (Eye Of The Hurricane) ever post
their half?
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I didn't see it on their site earlier.
And they have more traffic than I expected. They’ve got 200+ comments in some of their recruiting updates and game previews.
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