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Talking Florida State- Miami with Eye Of The Hurricane

Can you feel it?  It's Florida State v. Miami week!  Kickoff is just 59 hours away!  Today we welcome in Mike from EyeOfTheHurricane, a solid Miami Hurricanes site with quite the active community.  Our answers to his questions will run over there on Friday, and I'll give you the link at that time.

1. How has Miami addressed its linebacker issue? I remember Shannon wasn't happy with one of the positions in camp. Are the Canes playing more nickel to avoid using the third 'backer?

Good question. If you’ve seen the Hurricanes play at all this season, you know that junior SLB Sean Spence is having an outstanding season. He has 38 total stops, eight TFL, 1.5 sacks, two passes broken up, and a forced fumble. He’s making a case to be the ACC Defensive Player of the Year. He did win the ACC Defensive Rookie of the Year Award in 2008. His play has helped take the pressure off the LB corps as a whole.

MLB Colin McCarthy has played solid, registering 27 total tackles, three TFL, 0.5 sack, one pass broken up, and a fumble recovery. He’s not Dan Morgan, but who really is? But he’s done a nice job so far at middle.

The emergence of junior WLB Ramon Buchanan has really eased the pressure on the LB corps. If you’ll remember, Randy Shannon previously had senior Kylan Robinson playing middle, then OLB. He showed that he can’t handle full-time duties, so Buchanan got his chance and has played pretty well. He has 17 tackles and one TFL.

No, the ‘Canes aren’t playing any more nickel defense than is necessary. The LB corps question is no longer the question it was entering the season. They have performed beyond all expectations.

2. Which under-performing or lesser-known player must step up for Miami to win?

I’m going offense on this question, and I’ll break it down into two parts. An under-performing player that needs to step up is WR Travis Benjamin. I think most ‘Nole fans are familiar with him. He has struggled being on the same page as QB Jacory Harris, and Shannon has even blamed four of Harris’ INTs on him personally. He’s got talent and speed to burn, but has not lived up to preseason billing.

A lesser-known player would be senior RG Joel Figueroa. He’s a senior, and originally was moved from RG to RT to start the season. That experiment didn’t work. Seantrel Henderson started against Clemson and played pretty well. He’s still raw. But Figueroa hasn’t played like the veteran he is. UM needs to shore up the weakness on the right side of the OL, or its going to be a long night for the Hurricanes and a short one for Harris.

3. It's been said that this game means a lot more to Miami's program this year because Shannon has been rebuilding for four years and this is his year, while Fisher just got the keys to the FSU program, and because Miami is getting lapped in recruiting by FSU & UF so far this year after a sub-par recruiting class in 2010. Do you agree with that? Would a win here be the spark Miami needs to get back in with the top players in the Sunshine State?

I think this game is critical for both programs. If Miami wins, they continue their momentum into the ACC slate. If FSU wins, they gain some ground on Miami.

There’s no doubting that UF and FSU have recruited well. I don’t think it’s fair to say that UM has been "lapped." It’s premature to say that. The Hurricanes aren’t taking a large class this year, between 15-18 prospects. There are some really good looking prospects coming to South Florida in DE Anthony Chickillo, QB Teddy Bridgewater, WR Philip Dorsett, and CB Albert Louis- Jean.

Miami is also still in the ballgame for TE Nick O’Leary, WRs Sammy Watkins and George Farmer, and DBs Dallas Crawford and Jabari Gorman. Everything looks good for LB Denzel Perryman to commit any day now. UM also has already picked up three verbals for the 2012 Class, so while UF and FSU are doing well, Miami recruiting is prospering at the same time. And that’s good for the ACC and college football. It’s more fun when Miami and FSU are strong, and it won’t be long until we enjoy another, "Game of the Century," between the ‘Noles and ‘Canes.

Finally, I don’t think it’s fair to say Miami had a sub-par class last season. The Hurricanes added Seantrel Henderson and Latwan Anderson late, both five-star prospects. And under- rated players like LB Jimmy Gaines, LB Kelvin Cain, RB Storm Johnson, CB Devont’a Davis, and S Kacy Rodgers have established themselves as freshman to watch going forward.

4. Miami has a good offense, but I can't help but think that it would be a lot better if Whipple would run the ball. With that defense, doesn't it make a lot more sense to be conservative, play great defense, and force teams to drive on long fields as opposed to the short fields that Jacory gives them? With 11 backs on scholarship, I know I would run more, which would also make my play-action more effective.

This is a question that we’ve debated with our readers at Eye of the Hurricane. I do think Offensive Coordinator Mark Whipple is making more of an effort to run the football, but the question has been about the timing of some of his calls. Remember, Whipple comes from the Andy Reid "School of Offense." Philadelphia likes to toss the ball around.

However, UM ran the ball 11 of the first 12 plays versus Clemson, and moved it with authority against a talented Clemson defensive front. Overall, he ran the ball 43 times and passed it 33.

The numbers are there and the balance is great, and Miami has tremendous talent at RB. They also have K/P Matt Bosher, who is an All-ACC type punter, averaging 46 yards per boot on 18 punts, and has eight 50+ yard punts.

I think UM does need to take the pressure off of Harris, especially in the first half, and rely on the talent at RB more because the passing offense is struggling a bit, especially downfield. But will Whipple do that? I don’t know. I doubt he will pass any less than he did against Clemson. He’s going to take shots downfield, period.

But yes, it does make sense.

For the record, RB Lee Chambers was moved to CB, giving Miami 10 RBs. They also run two- back sets, so it makes sense to have multiple FBs and TBs for depth. Many of these players also play special teams.

5. What must Randy Shannon prove between this season and the next to have long-term staying power.

I think the biggest thing Shannon has to prove is if he can take Miami to the next level. I think he’s doing that. He’s done an outstanding job of flipping the talent on this team. Competing for the ACC championship year in and year out would help, but graduating his players and keeping them off the police blotter also is huge in the eyes of current UM President Donna Shalala. He’s already done that, so taking the next step in the win column is critical in the minds of the fans.

If Shannon goes 9-3 and 10-2 most seasons, he’ll always have a job. But unless he starts having multiple 6-6 and 7-5 seasons, Shannon is going to be around a long time in Coral Gables.

Again, a big thanks to Mike and EyeOfTheHurricane for dishing on the Canes.

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Hate to inform UM fans but....

You’re being lapped easily in recruiting but UF and FSU, but keep the lie alive if it makes you all feel better about your program

by WinstonSalemNole on Oct 7, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree. UM fluff going on here.

It doesn’t make any sense that this guy thinks UM hasn’t been lapped in recruiting. Why is he so defensive over factual information? I like the other schools to this point because they kept the defensive bs out of it and focused on the question. It is obvious that this UM writer thinks the Canes can do no wrong, doesn’t make for a convincing read. It’s basically UM fluff. FSU had one of the best recruiting classes in the country.

by enloe314 on Oct 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cont.

I can only imagine what Seminole fans will post once the link is goes up Friday for this guys site.

by enloe314 on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like, it's not even close

According to Rivals, in 2011
FSU #5 – 16 commitments, (2) 5*, (5) 4*, (9) 3* = 3.56 avg.
UM #35 – 8 commitments, (0) 5*, (3) 4*, (5) 3* = 3.38 avg.

According to ESPN, in 2011
FSU – 16 commitments, (10) 4*, (6) 3*, 8 ESPN150
UM – 8 commitments, (5) 4*, (3) 3*, 4 ESPN150

Also, for as many commitments as Miami has “ready to commit or are still in the running for”, we have more players and equal to, if not better players in the same, if not better position (for us to land).

I mean, I’m just being completely objective and rational here but you can’t even put the two classes in the same stratosphere. On ESPN, Miami is lodged in between Texas Tech and Pitt and over 10 spots below 1-4 Georgia, while on rivals, they are below Iowa, TCU, Kentucky, Virginia, etc. I don’t want to hear that the talent pool that Miami usually recruits from is lower or anything either, because other schools (like us) are having no problem going into 305 & 954 and hand picking whoever we want.

by Sem1nole on Oct 7, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

because other schools (like us) are having no problem going into 305 & 954 and hand picking whoever we want.

Bingo

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather talk about actual signingd

Not what a kid thinks in early October.

by Sabon on Oct 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Obviously

but if you don’t have a time machine this is what we currently have

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the key is that UM does not have many big fish left on its board

This is great stuff, of course.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great analysis and I think those statistics make a very good point

But I think the quantity arguments override. While the distributions might not be statistically different at this point:

A. There is a limited number of scholarships and you need 22 starters (plus special teams and backups). This means that last years class will hurt them unless those 2-3* kids were either underrated or can be coached up or they pull in amazing classes in the future.

2. There are a limited number of recruits available, especially 4-5* recruits. This also hurts UM big because it doesn’t allow the distribution to be maintained as easily while they get more recruits. (Basically, what Bud just said.)

by MWM Nole on Oct 7, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing to see here folks

Silly Tomahawk Nation with your critical questioning, don’t you know anything? There are no problems at Miami, the whole team is playing well and Randy Shannon is secretly recruiting better than anyone else even realizes. Silly Noles with your concern about Miami falling off the map due to complacency… /sarcasm.

Its all in the game.

by RenegadeRev on Oct 7, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Most important thing here
but graduating his players and keeping them off the police blotter also is huge in the eyes of current UM President Donna Shalala.

I’ve said it many, many times before. UM is not all about winning at any cost.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

props to Randy for that

he’s done a hell of a job there

by StM on Oct 7, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hope he stays forever

A Miami team good enough to help the ACC but bad enough not to hurt FSU is the best thing we could hope for. Only problem will be if/when they get owned by the Noles several years in a row he will get run out of town.

by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Georgia 2.0

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be fine by me

I’d take a winning % over UM like uf has over UGA for the past 20 years, too.

by Invictus13 on Oct 7, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone know what 7th floor stands for?

Is that the jail floor where the convicts are running that website from?

by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

7th floor crew

A bunch of UM players called themselves the 7th floor crew and produced a rap song that would make 2 Live Crew cringe. You could probably google it and find it.

by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you mixing up the UM v Penn State

Where they all sat down to eat and then the UM players stormed out after one of them said “Custer didn’t sit down to eat with no indians”. On the way out a PSU player yelled back “Didn’t Custer lose?” and then the Lions beat them the next day lol. 7th floor is the floor the players used to live on in their dorm a few years back.

by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just adding
then the UM players stormed out after one of them said "Custer didn’t sit down to eat with no indians".

The Player was DT Jerome Brown (saw the scene in the ESPN 30 in 30 piece about the Canes).

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by RishiM on Oct 7, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's only thursday.

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by shonole on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

"I think this game is critical for both programs. If Miami wins, they continue their momentum into the ACC slate. If FSU wins, they gain some ground on Miami"

This made me laugh.
The author makes it seem like Miami is so much further ahead of FSU, that an FSU win would only help us gain some ground on the U.
If Miami was coming off an ACC Championship game appearance, I coud understand this comment.

WAR PAINT OF TN

by Zach_Nole on Oct 7, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

An FSU win would be really bad for Miami

And could start a 3-4 game winning streak for the ’Noles over the canes. If you look at who both teams lose, would you really take Miami next year in Doak?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a chance....

Random question: what are the odds that Spence will leave early?
He’s pretty small for an NFL linebacker, so i would think he would think he would be a 4 year college player.

WAR PAINT OF TN

by Zach_Nole on Oct 7, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spence no way, but Brandon Harris perhaps

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Senior. Should have left last season!

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doh!

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Bud

Over the summer, you ran some stories on the Cane’s previous recruiting classes. They pulled in a nice 2008 class as evident by this year. Is the consensus that after this year they will return to mediocrity, due to poor recruiting by Shannon the following years?

by TCHOP561 on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

They just aren't recruiting at that high level anymore.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

why?

Is there anything specific you can point to other than complacency that’s affecting their ability to recruit against us? Perhaps you already wrote about this at length.

by Kelly Huffman on Oct 7, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have a feeling they are focusing on graduating kids and having them not get arrested

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to FSU

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are no thugs here

Hush yo’ mouf

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 7, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That 2008 class fell into his lap.

Seriously….when was the last time Randy Shannon showed that he could go out and just TAKE a recruit away from another school (C.J. Spiller)…..? Since buying one (Austin) isn’t an option, and they simply are not good recruiters (the stats show this to be true), then it is all-or-nothing. Accept the ones who really, REALLY want to come…..then “settle” for whatever else is left.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Oct 7, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same thing will happen with their 2012 class, imo.

Already locked up 3 Miami area recruits for next year.

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOOOOOONG way to go until 2012.

Things are likely to get worse for UM, not better….in the areas that affect recruiting (record, coaching, perceived direction of program, competition from FSU).

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Oct 7, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

They should do well this year and may still do well next year. That would be two solid years prior to the 2012 class. I don’t see how their perceived direction would be on the decline unless something drastic happens next year (I guess if Harris is injured and their backups still suck maybe?). I agree it’s a long way to go, but I don’t really agree with the reasoning.

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by tricknole on Oct 8, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but if it's Randy Shannon & Duh Yew vs the field (talking ACC-Champ)

….I’m taking the field. Randy Shannon has proves that his teams have a tendancy to take a shit on themselves at very inopportune times. I would give UM a proportional win share of .40 for the conference….and winning the ACC seems to be the only way to satisfy the “we’re back” mindset. Failure to win the Conference in a year in which they are favored by most to do so speaks to their coaching & the perceived direction of the program. UM HAS to win the ACC this season in order to be seen as moving forward—anything else and they are stagnating, which is almost as bad (perceptually) as regressing.
An ACCCG appearance does no good if they lose a rematch with FSU or Clemson…IMO.

As it pertains to recruiting, if there are any TRUE studs that UM is after that are not 100% born & bred Canes……RS probably doesn’t get the signature over the next 2 Februarys.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Oct 8, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

That I agree much more with.

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by tricknole on Oct 8, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami will be loaded in 2011

unless some of their juniors leave for the NFL. Their seniors in 2011 are from the #5 2008 recruiting class. Yes, they lose 11 senior starters after this season, but they return 11 juniors at 1-2 deep.

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Oct 7, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would take us over them next year given we'll have another year of development

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I might agree b/c they only have one top 10 class (2008) since 2008 and

we have 3 (2008-2010). It will be interesting to see how this situation will shake out.

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Oct 7, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He really bristled at question 3.

From the tone of the answer, you can feel the angry, defensive keystrokes. . . . You can just see him clicking and looking at our recruiting list, back at his, then back at ours. Then he blows out the frustration, and throws you the backhanded bone at the end with that cliche of “hopefully you’ll catch up to our amazing, targeted recruiting classes, as it’s good for the ACC for the FSU-UM rivalry to be big time again.” Love it. I’m sure he wrote and then deleted comments about there being plenty to go around in Florida, or Shannon recruited so surgically in 2008 that now he really doesn’t need to restock until next year unless they get the precise players they want, etc.

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by BigSpear on Oct 7, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha Ha

well said

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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 7, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

OBJECTION!!!

Judge – “On what grounds?”
Slimey lawyer – “because it’s devastating to my case!!”
Judge – “Overruled.”
SL – “Good call!!!”

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by DRusso97 on Oct 7, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liar Liar?

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Oct 8, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

How would you feel if someone asked you if your team was getting *lapped*?

I agree with Mike that their 2 post-NSD 5* pick-ups really boosted their 2010 class.

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Oct 7, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. They still have a bunch of scrubs from that class

and getting guys like that post-signing day isn’t sustainable. That happens quite rarely.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with you that Miami just clearly isn't hitting the recruiting trail as hard as FSU

and even with their post-NSD recruits, FSU’s 2010 class > Miami’s.

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Oct 7, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

While it isnt sustainable,

cant they use that as momentum to not have to rely on last second (or I guess more appropriately, after last second) signings?

I dont want them to get that first domino going.

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by Miaminole on Oct 7, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could, but I don't see many top guys remaining

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more long term than short (long term being a 3-4 year window)

I agree that this next class is heavily in our favor, I just want to make sure when the last class that came in isnt helping to give them another breath of life in a couple years.

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by Miaminole on Oct 7, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

True!

You nailed it! Could we not find a more professional UM writer????

by enloe314 on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he did a very nice job

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. I dont think he lost his cool at all, and it's wrong to call him unprofessional.

Im actually a bit confused as to where the perception of an angry attitude came from.

We’re clearly pulling ahead in terms of overall quality; I disagree with Mike’s notion that last year’s class was a good one, but I agree with him that it’s premature to say we’re overlapping them.

2010 is one bad year for them. If signing day rolls around and they have the 2011 class TN’s writers are projecting, then I’ll agree that we’re as far ahead as Bud is indicating. A recruiting class isn’t really a class until they’re on the field though.

noles, marlins, phins

by NorthernHaze on Oct 7, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

lapping them is probably an overstatement

beating them is not – but Clemson, UM, VT, NC are on the same lap as us (but certainly behind us) in recruiting

by 93noleman on Oct 7, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see that

How are they on the same lap?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is looking through rose-colored glasses, but nothing compared to SEC

writers and bloggers. They all think their team is going to win the NC and all their players are the best at their respective positions. Delusional is the word that comes to mind.

by BossNole on Oct 7, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has a right to think he can win the NC

If they didn’t have a stoopid non-con schedule preventing them from getting there

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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Homerism

I don’t think anybody else on this webiste should ever be called a homer. This guy is blinded by love of Miami. To say that FSU-UF have not lapped them in recruiting??? Um…… UF brought in 20 freaking 4* or higher players!!! FSU brought in 11. They brought in 8. And only because they added some guys late. They would have had 5 or 6. And this year only Texas has more ESPNU 150 players. Seriously Miami is getting hammered in recruiting.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ed Reed changed the S position

Smaller players like him usually play corner, so when he was recruited he probably considered undersized at the time

by WinstonSalemNole on Oct 7, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting those recruiting rankings?

Rivals existed back then and none of the players you listed were 5-star recruits.

Rolle was the closest, he was a 4 star and ranked in the top 50. None of the others were even in the Rivals top 100. IIRC Winslow was a 3 star, as was Taylor. I believe Wilfork was too. Taylor wasn’t even the most highly touted prospect on his own team. That title belonged to QB/LB/TE/future-benchwarmer Buck Ortega, though people finally started to realize what a talent Taylor was after he set the singe-season TD record at Gulliver his SR year.

Reading those old lists is loads of fun. Miami wasn’t built on 5-star players or on nobodies though. Like all good programs it was the right combination of the 2.

by janito on Oct 7, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

11 to 8 is lapping?

and who cares if some came in early or late? Are they on the team or not is all that matters.

by glommer on Oct 7, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it is lapping

Please see the other posts.

It matters when they came in because it’s not a repeatable skill and it’s showing up this year as well.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd LOVE

LoveLoveLoveLoveLOVE
To see some CB’s fake blitz then drop into zone when Harris—who will be preparing for a CB blitz because of last week’s game—tries to take advantage & throw the hot route.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 7, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am very curious to see what our resident gurus think we will throw at UM

that we have not shown really on D before like those CB blitzes last week and how they thing we will start our offensive attack and what you think their priority is to stop (run or play the pass) at the start. I feel like we have aces up our sleeves on both sides for this game. Ponder and the O are experienced so they can add on to the playbook and the D ‘seems’ to be grasping the foundations.

by NOLEmercy3 on Oct 7, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm jumping the gun here

but do you like a cover 2, 3, or 4 look from our D on Saturday night?

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

2

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldnt agree more bud

any kind of blitzing is really risky (since harris has a tendancy to destroy man coverage). I hope to see some stats in your break down of how he has faired against zone coverage defenses while playing at home.

by ChyTownNole on Oct 7, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 all day

Harris is the kind of guy that you force to beat you by making smart decisions for a 10 play drive. You blitz him and leave a guy singled up where he doesn’t have to read coverage is playing into his hands.

by 21nole24 on Oct 7, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Make him put it over the backers in front of the safety or outside the numbers

Now can we stop the run from 2?

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cover 2 sound good for the most part but.....

I’d like to see a lot of cover 3 packages as well, to help out our safeties and to keep Hankerson and Co. from running vertical routes with no one over the top for support.

Stopping the run from Cover-2 is gonna take some good play from our LBs

by WPNoleJ on Oct 7, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jacory throws that seam route quite well and we don't yet squeeze it worth a damn

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cover 3 frightens me

You’ll have an extra guy in the box, yes. But Hankerson and Benjamin would run up the seam all day and I don’t trust Parks to pass that test. Our front is just gonna have to play lights out in order to stop the run.

by westcoastnolefan on Oct 7, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could I'm sure

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

and Harris & his WRs have years of experience squeezing the ball into the seam… and our DBs have a few games under their belt and have been beat this way by OU, BYU, etc.

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is a really good question.

I think this is the week our guys will have to do a good job in the pre-snap of disguising coverage. I think we are going to roll more coverage this week than we have all season.

by 21nole24 on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am nervous with Greg Reid this week he knows Harris throws picks I just dont want him out trying to jump routes and not really focusing on his keys. Sounds a little crazy but I will except an early personal foul on Moody for spearing someone up the seam because you want those WR to hear footsteps all night on that route.

by 21nole24 on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Useful

penalty? I’ll take it.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that seam is coming from a TE we can widen our ends to get a chuck on that TE before he gets his release. We just need that half a second on play action to let those backers recover from the play fake.

by 21nole24 on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Miami's TE isn't much this year

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

My position group to most effect this game is the DT’s. If they force control the inside running game and push the pocket up the middle we are in really good shape. Harris floats balls as it is but if he can’t step up in the pocket that throw down the seam will be really hard to complete. He will continue to throw it though and that is where we get our turnovers this week.

by 21nole24 on Oct 7, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

good question

But GR has been tackling like Tay Cody the past few games

Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?

by Ponder This on Oct 7, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 puts a lot on our Safeties

If we run 2 a lot, that means we are making Moody and Parks defend against the deep ball which is Miami’s most desirable match up. I see us playing a lot more cover 3 and 4, and cover 2 to the boundary with X manning up on their #1 if he runs vertical

by dj2fsu on Oct 7, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

good word

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap

I’m going to have to go read up on the “zone god damn defense”* again.

  • Thanks to DRusso97.

by csfuu on Oct 7, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I think once you memorize Cover 2 vs Cover 3, everything else falls into place.

Cover 2 – your two safeties have half the deep field, each, to cover:

Cover 3 – one safety rotates down into the box, the other covers the middle deep 1/3, and your two corners have deep outside 1/3 responsibility:

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

That saved me some review.

by csfuu on Oct 7, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there....

I see your “thanks” and raise you a “You’re welcome”…

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by DRusso97 on Oct 7, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does Miami threaten the 2

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually like cover 2 man

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every one accounted for underneath with instant double coverage deep.

Harris and Whipple get impatient with the underneath stuff and will start attacking the teeth of the defense over the top…Am i getting this right?

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Oct 7, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah well thats diferent now isn't it?

You think that’s likely with Stoops? Seems like cover three is his go to club off the tee.

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by truecolors on Oct 7, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

We ran it some last game

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Call

I’ll take the coverage sack or INT…this sure sounds like a grow up game for the secondary

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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont really think its fair to say we've lapped them either

We’re ahead for the last 1.5 years… and UF has definitely killed both teams, there’s no debating that. overlapping is the direction recruiting is taking, but I dont think its already there by any means

noles, marlins, phins

by NorthernHaze on Oct 7, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Think more telling

is to looks at the bottom end of the classes. FSU did much better than UM, no? Ricobert1? Graph me buddy.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How do you mean?

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like

get rid of 4 and 5 star players. How do the teams stack up after that. Miami with 2’s, bad 3’s? If Miami had a bunch of 3s that are scrubs it may not show up.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that

is quality. REC.
Great WORK!

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

One caveat to these numbers

is that lineman are poorly evaluated. Nonetheless, UF is minimal on scrubs while Miami is showing they can only get lesser quality players per class.

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just olineman right?

Or Dlineman poorly eval’ed too?

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the consensus is just OL

DL assessment is usually based on pure athleticism and size. OL need to be a bit more cerebral and take longer to develop physically and mentally. Only the monsters (6’6+ 300+) get 4* or higher.

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

In that case that leaves them with A LOT of skill guys, DB’s, WR’s, LB’s whoever that aren’t top quality. Going to have to find a BUNCH of ‘diamonds in the rough.’ Which we know, while it makes a good story, just doesn’t happen that often. Like Bud said, stuck with these guys for a while.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oooo

Can we now get a color-coordinated (using both team colors, such as G&G, o&b, O&G) to show the amount of each team’s 4-5*s and 2-3*s side-by-side?

So, FSU’s 10 4-5s in Garnet next to its 13 2-3s in Gold for 2010, etc. (Actually, the uf comparison would look depressing, huh? The UM one encouraging. The FSU one…?)

Thanks for both charts, by the way! Awesome job.

by Invictus13 on Oct 7, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Data

mind explosion.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, yikes.

3:1 for Miami last year. I’m not seeing any other class for any of the schools worse than 2:1, and that was our 2007 class, which is KILLING us right now.

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel better, most of those guys would probably be gone.

Only 5th year seniors would remain. Only 4 of those twenty 4/5* guys would likely have any eligibility left (Ponder, McMahon and Jenije are 3 of them, Sims is the 4th).

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

You’re all over these things. Great job. I actually envisioned each team’s two bars side-by-side (so UM’s 2010 Green would tower over its Orange bar; that, too, would’ve been hard to read, with so many bars on there), but this works, too.

Although, seeing it this way, I’m not sure why so many people think we beat uf this year. Their 4-5s have rocked ours every year but 08 (well, and 06, but how many of those guys do we have left?).

by Invictus13 on Oct 7, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three.

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And UF isn't near as good as the past few years, so there's a chance.

Unless you’re saying people are saying it’s a given, which is just stupid, obviously.

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree there's a chance

But on a fan shot from a few days ago I read a post that seemed to indicate we would dominate uf. That’s what I was thinking of when I typed out the above comment.

by Invictus13 on Oct 7, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Updated with Henderson & Anderson?

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

They counted Stanley for us it looks like

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

UM won 3 of last 4 years...

… according to these graphs, so I think “lapping” is quite the overstatement. Now, once 2011 is over, maybe things will start to look different.

by sonofagunn on Oct 7, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

2010 and 2011

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

its weird

to sit back and see how bad UFs recruiting class was in 05.

by jhunter723 on Oct 7, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, meyer's first year

Was comparable to Jimbo’s first year in 07 – neither one had a whole lot of time to put a great class together.

by Invictus13 on Oct 7, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you note this? As of right now:

Miami=3 commitments, “hoping to” take 15-18
FSU=15 commitments, expecting to take the full 25

You read that right, FSU has already taken the same number of recruits that Miami hopes to land in this class, but you’re a fool and an FSU homer to believe that FSU is dominating Miami in recruiting.

There will be no changing of the guard.
FSU has a longer way to go than UM.
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An FSU victory will only mean that FSU is “catching up” to Miami.

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by Dogrel on Oct 7, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

The quality of the classes is where UM faces issues.....

Last years class was full of average players; next year with this small class Miami has to bring in a small number of elite type players……judging by how UM is starting out do you really faith that they will do that with FSU , UF and other schools already off to such good starts? (See Bud’s list below)

Youre right there is no changing of the guard, UM is MUCH closer to FSU than you want to believe and to see the world with your orange and green class is your choice.

But I’d say its hard to say FSU is “catching up” to Miami when UM barely beat an average to below average FSU team last year, hasnt beaten FSU at home since 2004, hasnt won a bowl game since a 1 point win over Nevada in 2006.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 7, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Miami has 8 commits with only 3 being 4* or higher and none being 5*.

We have nearly as many 5* as Miami has 4* to this point and could land up to 3 more (Drew, Steward, O’Leary, assuming Rivals expands their 5* total to ~30 and current player rankings stay the same). I think Miami only has a chance at two (O’Leary and Farmer, and I’m no insider but I thought recent word is they don’t lead for either).

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy...

bugs me a little…I guess not all college football fans can be as reasonable and grounded as most on TN. Last year’s FSU v Miami game was a dropped pass away from an FSU victory and the year before that we handled them at their place. Most agree that Miami is a few steps ahead (mostly on defense I think) but to act like FSU is coming from the cellar of college football is ridiculous. 30 some odd consecutive bowl games would say otherwise. They lost to Wisonsin in their bowl. FSU beat WVU. They are still lacking a few signature wins to be elite and miles ahead of FSU….kinda typical UM guy….A bit cocky with not a lot of backup.

by NicktheNole on Oct 7, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

give credit

where credit is due, I guess. We should just appreciate the fact that his cocky homerism was stated in full sentences without using the word “swagger.”

by NicktheNole on Oct 7, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets slow down a second

Last years game could have gone any number of ways. I dont think our offense is going to be as good as it was last year (Bud has done an excellent job going over the Oline problems we are having this year, and while Im sure most of you dont agree, I think Ponder is way off of his accuracy from last year) and there defense is elite. Our defense will be better, and I think Jacory sucks, but he is good enough to throw those lobs to the elite UM WRs.

And the only reason we beat WVU last year is because there coach was either too stupid, or too nice to run it down our throats every play. We stole that game.

Lets not look at last year. Our future is brighter, but as far the present, I am worried about taking a loss here.

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by Miaminole on Oct 7, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami is also still in the ballgame for TE Nick O’Leary, WRs Sammy Watkins and George Farmer, and DBs Dallas Crawford and Jabari Gorman. Everything looks good for LB Denzel Perryman to commit any day now.

This is true. Watkins is a Clemson-Miami battle and will hurt us in the future, but look at how the Canes are with some of these kids?

Name
Tony Steward
James Wilder Jr.
Hasean Clinton-Dix
Karlos Williams
Mike Bellamy
Jeff Driskel
Nick O’Leary
Marcus Roberson
Mike Blakely
Demetrius Hart
Sammy Watkins
A.C. Leonard
Marlin Lane
Timmy Jernigan
Teddy Bridgewater
Bobby Hart
Tyler Moore
Wayne Lyons
Andrew Buie
Aaron Lynch
Ryan Shazier
Kelvin Benjamin
Giorgio Newberry
Louchiez Purifoy
Gerrod Holliman
Zach DeBell
Nick Waisome
Chevelle Buie
D.J. Pettway
Brandon Fulse
Lonnie Gosha
Jabari Gorman
Cortez Davis
Anthony Chickillo
Tacoi Sumler
Nile Lawrence-Stample
Jacoby Brissett
Javares McRoy
Phillip Ely
Rashad Greene
Jerrard Randall
Tre Mason
Robenson Therezie
Jeremy Cash
Ja’Juan Story
Andrew Johnson
Devonta Freeman
Johnathan Aiken
Phillip Dorsett
Bryant Dubose
De’Ante Saunders
Marcus Jackson
Jordan Prestwood
Kevin Grooms
Matt Roth
Errin Joe
Alex Dixon
Ramik Wilson
Kent Turene
Dallas Crawford
Jeff Heuerman
Calvin Pryor
Denzel Perryman
Derrick Mitchell
Terry Bell
Ritchy Desir
Gionni Paul
Corey Tindal
Charles Gaines Jr.
Javorius Allen
Anthony Rabasa
Curt Maggitt
Hunter Joyer
Curt Evans
Ahmad Christian
Mike Matulis
Keelin Smith
Tony Posada
Sterling Lovelady
Roderick Ryles
Eric Beverly
Kevin Sousa
Javess Blue
Allen Ramsey
Clay Burton
Chris Johnson
Cody Preble
Max Chapman
DeVondrick Nealy
Thomas Finnie
Eli Rogers
Ruben Carter
Ricardo Williams
Andre Davis
Tom Smith
Demarious Rancifer
Anthony Harrell
Shaun Ward
Terrell Floyd
Tevin Westbrook

Miami is missing on the state’s top players for the second year in a row. Dallas Crawford is a top 60 player in Florida. UF & FSU don’t want him.

An overwhelming number of the top players in the state are choosing FSU, UF, or out of state.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

just a tag regarding Dallas Crawford

I believe the only reason the Miami is really after Crawford is b/c of his relationship with Sammy Watkins (teammates, best friends and really want to attend same college – or at least that’s what they’ve said in interviews). I know on TR that many Canes are not overly enamored with Crawford.

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by RishiM on Oct 7, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at this year

No way does FSU take

Menocal
Rogers
Davis

Not sure on Dorsett/ Jean/ Jackson

FSU would take Bridgewater and Chikillo

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe
Not sure on Dorsett/ Jean/ Jackson

I believe that FSU would take any of those 3.

Jackson is a very good OG prospect and I believe that we did try to swing him after his commit. Not sure how hard we pushed, but he would’ve been a very difficult pull especially once he committed. UF was (and perhaps still is) very hard after him in the summer.

ALJ has the potential to be an elite level CB at the collegiate level.

Dorsett is probably one of the 5 or 6 best WRs in FL and a top 10-15 type WR in the country (yes I am saying that WR is that strong in Florida compared to the rest of the country for 2010). To me he is very close to Rashad Greene as a WR prospect.

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by RishiM on Oct 7, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harris with 8 INTs in his last 101 attempts

Ponder/Manuel 0 on past 89.

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

some of those incompletions Ponder threw in the UVA game

would have been INTs against a secondary like Miami’s.

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

good call

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harris likely has more INTs if you include plays like that. I’m sure both of them also have INTs that aren’t their fault. It usually evens out in the end.

by evenflow58 on Oct 7, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

2010 class and so far 2011

5 Stars
FSU- 4
Miami-2

4 Stars
FSU- 12
Miami- 8

3 Stars
FSU-22
Miami- 21

2 Stars
FSU-0
Miami- 4

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the guy from UM is pretty fair minded about his team.

They still recruit well and their guys, while not many, are playing very well. You replace Harris with just about any other 4 star qb and Miami is probably undefeated at this point.

Against OSU they come out after the half, drive the field and Harris throw a pic in the end zone. Don’t do that and it is a two point game. If they win on sat they might steal one recruit. They win their division maybe one more. Win the ACC maybe two more. Their last class wasn’t stellar but hey we got J Bright and a few others as well.

Lets just beat miami like we should have last year (we had that game) and teach everyone down there the Noles are still the team they fear the most.

What ever happend to Harley playing safety? I thought the guy was built like a beast. Is there no way he beats out Jenji for 2nd string?

by pb4957 on Oct 7, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Miami outplayed us last year and we were quite lucky to make it as close as it was

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't mention our 2009 D

Just don’t

Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....

by TLHWG on Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

SunLife getting completely resodded yesterday and today...

Props to goatnole74 with the link. Hope they have an excellent grounds crew, but this seems a bit ridiculous to do with less than 60 hours before game time! They are resodding the ENTIRE field!

http://www.instacam.com/InstaCAM/imagelist_by_week.asp?id=PROPL

This never seems to go well when they do this stuff.

by RockoNole954 on Oct 7, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey I ain't that old(I feel older)......LOL

I didn’t realize they started on the 6th instead of the 5th, don’t know how much difference it would make though. I hope there aren’t any problems with the turf.

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by goatnole76 on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That field sorely needs it though.

Did you notice it during the Dolphins game Monday night? It looked like a patchwork quilt what with all the crap grass thrown on top of the baseball field. I was surprised I never saw a corner fall down while trying to backpedal over it. Anything is an upgrade over what they played on Monday.

by DCNole on Oct 7, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My question is

What is Miami planning to do now that our annual pattycake game is over. How will they respond when Jimbo steps on their throat?

Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?

by Ponder This on Oct 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Again, I'm jumping the gun, Bud

But Jimbo has managed to put quite a few points on the board against UM. Does he have Shannon’s #? What part of the scheme that Jimbo employs gives UM the most trouble defensively?

Or are the past numbers against UM just reflective of UM having a below-average defense and FSU just executing its defense?

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Haven't they diversified?

I think Jimbo was picking apart the Cover 2 Man scheme that Shannon relied on for so many years. They’re more “multiple” now…

Its all in the game.

by RenegadeRev on Oct 7, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Multiple?

It actually looks like the same scheme just with more pressure. Still seems to be lots of man coverage to me.

by WPNoleJ on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

They are much more multiple now

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a huge factor

on stopping our offense. UF is multiple (and had great defensive personnel, to boot). UM could give us lots and lots of problems.

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

They also have a new defensive line coach

I guess he is working wonders with their defensive line as well.

by Jturner01 on Oct 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Helps to have this guy at DE

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet he's never really gotten picked on about it though.

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by FSUvaFan on Oct 7, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

or just stared at it too long.

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by FSUvaFan on Oct 7, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sir, deserve a rec for that

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Oct 7, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another out of Miami's backyard

PTS—Do you have a leader at this point? and why?
RC—FSU is my leader and who I really want to commit to because I love the program they are rebuilding. A lot of great players and coaches are involved and I can’t miss the opportunity to learn fast and play even faster.

PTS—Can you see yourself being a Seminole, if so, for what reasons?
RC—YES, I’m sure I will be a Nole in the near future and for a lot of the right reasons. With it not being too far from home, and being able to become an All-American. I wouldn’t miss the chance to play alongside of Trey Pettis and Bobby Hart who are both great players.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

RC = Ruben Carter

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by ricobert1 on Oct 7, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this was one of the best Q&A's we've had all year. Mike is a good writer and I don't think he homered it up much other than the recruiting question

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Here are just a couple of points I do not agree with, although he follows UM much closer than I do, so he may be right. But from my uneducated POV,
The LB corps question is no longer the question it was entering the season. They have performed beyond all expectations.

With the exception of Sean Spence, the rest of the LB core is average at best. If they are exceeding all expectations, their expectations must have been set low.

RE: Travis Benjamin comment. I question whether WR Travis Benjamin is indeed under-performing or if it is a conspiracy to protect Harris. Benjamin was publicly called out by Shannon in the media, but I think that may have been done by Shannon to deflect blame from Harris and to protect his confidence and ego. Additionally, Benjamin is a very good punt returner and can break one anytime just like G5, but Benjamin will usually go down on first contact, which should be good for us.
Also they have given up 17 sacks in 4 games (although FSU has given up 25 in 5 games also), so they too are experiencing OL problems across the board, not just with Figueroa.

I think this game is critical for both programs. If Miami wins, they continue their momentum into the ACC slate. If FSU wins, they gain some ground on Miami.

No need to go into this any further than you and the rest already have, except to say it is much more critical for Miami to win than FSU, and the ground between programs is not as great as Mike makes it appear.

The Hurricanes added Seantrel Henderson and Latwan Anderson late, both five-star prospects.

Already discussed enough.

RE: the running game.

The numbers are there and the balance is great, and Miami has tremendous talent at RB.
Agree that the balance is there with 142 rush attempts vs. 130 pass attempts. However, they are being out-rushed by their opponents for the season, and are only averaging 3.8 yards per attempt as a team, although Berry and Miller do have a better average through the first 4 games, but the drop off in talent from there is greater than what he makes it to be.

He’s done an outstanding job of flipping the talent on this team.

If he means this the way I understand it, I beg to differ.
and

If Shannon goes 9-3 and 10-2 most seasons, he’ll always have a job.
The few true UM fans they have are loyal but fickle, and I am not so sure that even 9-3 and 10-2 will keep them happy for a long period of time. In the eyes of those few true fans, they should be competing for the NC year in and year out, and they will voice their displeasure after a few more years of being out of NC contention.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: 9-3 seasons

Wasn’t Coker considered on the hot seat for a 9-3 season in 2005?

by MWM Nole on Oct 7, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

With those back to back 9-3 seasons in '04-'05? Yes, I believe so.

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different management...

different expectations from administration.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shalala was the president back then though, so what's different?

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess I mean

different expectations from management from when they were perennially elite. She took over in 2001. So that commitment that was there in the 80’s and 90’s not there anymore. 2004-2005 was the first time the UM fans had to deal with suck (in the form of 3 losses). They freaked out. They changed staffs. Now this is their shot to get back to better than a 9-3 team. But it might be their last for a while. And if they stay a 9-3 team (top 15 team) doubt Shalala/administration would do anything about it-like the staff in the 90’s would have done.

Sum up, expectations for Cane’s fans might need to reflect that. /NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

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by onebarrelrum on Oct 7, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Randy Shannon maintain control over his defense from 2001-2006?

In what ways did Coker lose control of his football team? I understand this to be common knowledge, however, I’ve never been privy as to what the control issues were.

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Oct 7, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great points

Regarding a win against UM and recruiting, I really don’t think it’s make or break. If I were a recruit and saw FSU lost (but were still competitive), and in my gut really felt that FSU was rising fast to national prominence again, then a loss might make me want to come to FSU even more because I might have a chance to play/start earlier… And I think the coaches can use it that way to their advantage. So a win is a win, and a loss could even be a win.

Or I could just be saying this to myself to prepare myself for a loss.

by CT_Nole on Oct 7, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I have no problem with his answers.

Who cares if he puts on his Orange & Green glasses occasionally? Don’t we ALL sip too much of our own team’s Kool-Aid from time to time?

by FSUjab on Oct 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think anyone questioned professionalism...

I could be wrong but did anyone say he was unprofessional? Most are questioning his slight homerism.

by NicktheNole on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

someone said “could TN not find anyone more professional?”

I guess it kinda stuck out in my mind, so yeah most responses here are ok.

noles, marlins, phins

by NorthernHaze on Oct 7, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

good

I think he was plenty professional…just missed the mark of impartiality a bit. I guess at the end of the day his job is to be partial so this all might be irrelevant.

by NicktheNole on Oct 7, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with his answers either

I think his comments on recruiting reflect a different view of recruiting as a whole than ours. He is most likely fine with taken a few 3* kids and believes stars matter less than we do. And if you are more of a results guy than process guy you dont care how you end up with Anderson and Henderson as long as you end up with them. Just imagine how bad this would have been if this was done with the 7th floor.

by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would not have been done and not even considered with those a$$holes. I'm not Bud, but I am fairly confident.

>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Those who don’t agree with his comments can field Bud’s questions for him and see what the UM posters have to say in response.

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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are Henderson & Anderson repeatable?

Ed Reed was a 2*

But Alonzo Highsmith was recruited by Notre Dame, Michigan, and every other program in the country. Kellen Winslow, Antrelle Rolle, Sean Taylor, and Vince Wilfork were all five-star recruits. This idea that Miami was built on below-average recruits is silly. The idea that with the advent of the internet, Miami is losing its edge in evaluating SoFla talent is not. Programs have greater access to SoFla kids and those kids from Miami have greater exposure to other programs.

Miami’s recruiting isn’t falling off a cliff and the ‘Canes will always have good players. But Miami might not always have great players. And that’s what I don’t understand about what Miami did last year. The Canes took this enormous class of very average players. Teams do not have unlimited scholarships. The ’Canes are stuck with these scrubs for the next four years!

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree they aren't repeatable

Just saying if you are looking from the UM side it isn’t so bad if you want to pretend it isn’t. Sort of like how LSU fans pretended Miles was a good coach for a couple of years.

by osceolafan2.0 on Oct 7, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew more than a few LSU fans ready to jump off the cliff

when Les first got the job. Those cajuns were on to the hatter (however, winning a title, killing recruiting, and being undefeated so far this year is tough to complain about)

by ChyTownNole on Oct 7, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

when you are trying to change

The culture it doesn’t hurt to skip over a few primas. Wisconsin beat them in a bowl game. How many 4 stars do they have? Once they get a good base they can easily add some local talent. Granted I am not sure this is by design or just a result of circumstance.

Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?

by Ponder This on Oct 7, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Nole, loved use of the verb "lapped"

But it would have ticked me off. I think it’s accurate but it would have made me mad.

I think that over the years, UM’s classes have rarely been ranked as good as they really were, simply because so many of their players all came from the same place.

It’s pretty rare to see a RB from down there put up numbers like, say 2500 yards rushing in a season in high school but there’s a back that does that every year in North Carolina or some other place like that. Give me a back that gets 1400 in a season from Dade County every time.

Back to “lapped.” That’s such a strong word, it’s one thing to get passed on the track but “lapped” says you got passed TWICE.

Thought the interview was good, logical, well reasoned. Nothing like being redudant repeatedly.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the "lapped" part

People are getting on the guy for being too much of a homer, but I think it’s fair to expect him to naturally defend his team when someone representing a fierce rival program uses a word as strong as “lapped” in that context.

by SeminoleSkins87 on Oct 7, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami pulled kids from all over the place though for its better teams of the decade

The most recent class is a clear step down from anything they’ve had in a decade

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking back when they were REALLY good

I’m talking 80’s and 90’s. And even early this decade.

They got Ken Dorsey from California. So that’s one. DJ Williams was the big name and Jon Vilma was the “after thought.” UM was laughed at for signing him, for example.

From a historical perspective, they’ve been at their best when their team was from what Schnellenberger called the “State of Miami.” Other than QBs, the QBs have been from Pennsylvania (Jim Kelly, Vinne Testaverde, Frank Costa) or Ohio (Kosar) or California (Dorsey, Torretta) and even Minnesota (Walsh) for their really, really good teams.

The only QB that they had on those great teams from Florida, I think, was Craig Erickson from West Palm Beach.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They pulled a ton of kids from Texas and the northeast

http://hurricanewarriors.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=2

But I agree, them not getting the SoFla kids hurts them bigtime

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you think they've had "lesser" players from SE Fla that turned out better

They lesser known names, like Vilma, have been better than say, DJ Williams, don’t you think? I would rather them go after the big names, nationally, than focus on their backyard.

Another old example. Jesse Armstead was from Dallas Carter and ranked number one in the country in 1989. At the same time, they also got Michael Barrow and Darrin Smith out of South Florida. And of the three, against FSU anyway, Armstead clearly did the least.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather them go after the scrubs nationally like the 2* from Rhode Island, etc

But yeah recruit your backyard unless you have a specific need.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not just backyard recruiting, in my mind

1. Ther numbers there are incredible.
2. The weather.
3. The culture. Southeast Florida can be, well, just a mean place, in a lot of ways. You have to be tough just to survive it, near as I can tell. And football is a tough game. I think that just toughing things out, down there, makes football “easy” in a sense.

If Tennessee tried to recruit their backyard, they’ve be horrible every year. So, I think it depends on where your backyard is.

Another advantage I think they have is, due to proxmity, they know what a guy’s warts are better. So, maybe they can back off a guy that everyone else likes.

Then again, as you say, if they are more interested in graduating and staying out of the slam, maybe that’s a reason to not recruit there quite so heavily?

2* from Rhode Island. I like that.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant if you are Miami, recruit your backyard.

I think you’re on to something

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The U"

Really recommend watching that ESPN 30 for 30. Really gives you insight to South Florida not just Miami.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I refuse

Sorry. I can’t do it. I was there for too many of the heartbreaks. Going back to 1980, when we got beat 10-9. Think we had about 7 botched snaps. We didn’t lose the ball on all of them, but we lost the play. Under today’s rules,we win that one, just as, if they hadn’t narrowed the goal posts, we win in 1991 and probably 1992 (or at least tie that one, surely one of the three misses goes through, if not more but they missed one wide, as well.)

Point is, after living it, I can’t watch it. I’m headed down for what will be my 38th FSU/UM football game in person. Which really makes me feel older than I am.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU

is only in there for like two minutes. And all the Canes talk about how they respected us. We kept them on the schedule the Gators didn’t. But still it is a very good documentary.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

I would end up watching it like I would watch slasher flicks when I was growing up then. With my hands over my eyes, LOL.

I’ve been told before how well done it is.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

one interesting part

when theyre tlaking about UMs second title they fail to bring up the 5 bowl loses they had in between the first and second title (the actual number maybe be high or lower). the funny part is they dont mention this at all, but one of the clips they use you can hear the commentators talking about it

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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 7, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They lost 3 in a row

Lost in 84, 85 and 86. 85 could have won them the national title, got beat by Tenn 35-7 in the Sugar, OU wins it all. Only loss was to UM.

Then, 86, Fiesta was for the title, got beat by Penn State.

They finished in the top 3 for seven years in a row, from 86 to 92.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok 3 then

i thought it was funny they decided to just leave that bit of history out

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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 7, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad

We duplicated that. I don’t care what anyone says. FSU had the most dominant program in the history of College Football. 14 straight years in the top 4?? Will never be reached again. Ever.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I didn't like

No Warren Sapp or Ray Lewis in it. Although they kinda played towards the end of era, it would have been nice to see their views and everything.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Sapp and Ray could be interviewed instead of Shockey.

FSU 23 - Miami 21

by Jamil Dawson on Oct 7, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sapp would've been awesome

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by The Ryno and I Know on Oct 7, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya i was worried about it too

but it turned out to be a pretty cool film, especially the part about the demolition of the old orange bowl =)
the part about FSU was respectable, and you get to see a clip of the Seminole Rap which is always a treat

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by NorFla_Nole on Oct 7, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't hate Miami

Maybe the fans, but I respect the program. We recruit the same players. We recruit their players cousins, they recruit our players brothers. But it is a good rivalry.I hate the the Gators. The team. The colors. The fans. Their stupid mascot. I hate the “Marsh”. One thing I did hate about Miami was the stupid Orange Bowl. It is like Baton Rouge at night. Voodoo happens there.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's more of a disgust for me in terms of

I hated hearing how they won in 1991 due to “heart.” “Heart” would have been blocking the kick. It’s not heart to yell “Noonan, Miss” as the ball is being kicked.

That’s just stupid luck. But there’s also the disgust that I’ve had with us for just giving it to them in so many stupid ways over the years, as well.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami

Reminds me of that cousin that no one else likes but that you always got a long with. Your ghetto, thug cousin, (maybe just me because I have one.) They just don’t understand that cousin but you do.Everyone likes you because you are the nice guy, respectable, Southern gentlemanly(Bobby Bowden and most of his seminoles). Everyone hates your brother because they suck, have bad taste in clothes and always talks smack for no reason(the Florida Gators.)

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's what I LOVE

I love being able to say that we won the last game that FSU/UM ever played there. And did it by coming from behind. And did it by making a field goal. In a close game. And it rained, etc., etc.

Then, of course, I love laughing about how the last time the Canes ever played there, they got beat 48 to ZIP!!!! Jerome Brown must have been turning over in his grave.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

that place was a hell hole

just the most disgusting nasty stadium ever.

>>>─────;;─►

by NorFla_Nole on Oct 7, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scary place...

But the last couple years there were vanilla. Crowd control was taken seriously and there were less drugs and fighting in the stands. Underage drinking was never curbed though. :-D

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Oct 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seminole Rap

Is just pure awesomeness. Cheesy but pure awesomeness.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida

Historically doesn’t tend to produce elite NFL QBs or even great College QBs for that matter. The only good ones I can think of are Jeff Blake and Daunte Culpepper. Although I don’t know if we go to California for a QB ever again after the failed Chris Rix experiment.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If hes good hes good.....

If a QB is good and he’s from Cali, I dont think Rix’s failure would preclude us from taking him.

Rix didnt fail because he was from Cali, he failed because Jeff Bowden and Dickey were “coaching” him

by WPNoleJ on Oct 7, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably right.

Although if I am not mistaken a lot of the kids didn’t like his attitude. I thought I remember hearing that on some of the broadcasts. Either way, you are right get the best QB who fits the system Jimbo wants to run.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably from when he tried

running for student body president. That was a hoot. His attitude may have sucked, but poor coaching killed that kid

by ChyTownNole on Oct 7, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you say NFL QBs, that's a small sample size

There are so few NFL QBs I’m not sure any state can claim to produce an overwhelming number but…

I think our state has produced some good college ones though. Wuerrful. Kanell. That linebacker that’s in Denver wasn’t bad in college.

I do agree that so many our our high school programs run offenses that are more suited to wide receivers playing QB though. Not many high schools here seem to drop back and throw it here, anymore. Not like they used to.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good yes

But elite, NFL studs tend to not come from this state. California and Texas. Even Alabama has a better tradition of QBs than our state. Our best QB ever was Charlie Ward. Even he was not from Florida. Out top two QBs this year are from Texas and Virginia. Not to slight our state, we produce the best talent in the country, I would rather take a lesser known QB from Texas. Bad recruiting? Maybe, but in Texas and California they throw all day. Like you said our state Basically has WR’s playing QB. Andre Dubose, Christian Green and Anquan Boldin come to mind.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

California

has 12 oof the 32 NFL staring QBs in the league.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

California

12 of 32 starters. That’s 37.5%. Wonder what percentage of the US population lives in California? I’m not going to look it up but say 50 million out of 300 milliion would be 16.67% so they have more than twice what they “should” have perhaps?

Charlie was from Florida. I know he says he was from Thomasville, Ga but man, it’s so close I consider it North Florida. Funny thing is, they think Tallahassee is in South Georgia, LOL.

by Sobering on Oct 7, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Still. We can not brag about producing the best NFL talent without saying we don’t produce the best QB’s. Texas and California produce better QBs. We have better defenders and skill positions IMHO. Midwest has better OLine prospects. Each area has its strenghts.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't always look at population

There are more kids in Texas that participate in HS football than there is here in Cali. OH and Fla have about equal numbers participating despite Florida’s population being about 5 million more. That being said, it’s an absurd amount of Quarterback camps and schools out here making it a bit more conducive to long term success for the truly talented kids

by westcoastnolefan on Oct 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

That is what Cali takes pride in. So does Texas. We take pride in producing big defenders and speed. You don’t need to be big and fast to be a QB. If you were take the our state’s 50 best players I would say more are either on defense or skill positions. Yes I know Tebow, Culpepper and other QBs are there but every other position is where our strengths are at.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's definitely more Georgia than Florida.

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything north of I-4 is Florida.

Everything south of I-4 is another country entirely.

by Lpfsu511 on Oct 8, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

S. Fla is still my favorite part of the state.

least favorite is anything north of the I-4 corridor & not within 25 miles of the ocean.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 8, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could just say anything in Florida more than 25 miles from the coast.

I don’t think I’d want to live in Pahokee, Labelle, Avon Park, Arcadia or Okeechobee as much as like Bonifay, Mayo, Blountstown, Starke or Jasper.

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by tricknole on Oct 8, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Particular reason?

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by tricknole on Oct 9, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's GEORGIA.

Racist & redneck….2 things I HATE.
Not happy.

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by DRusso97 on Oct 9, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interview was excellent. I thought Bud's questions were great.

Was “lapped” a strong word? Absolutely. But its miami, our rivals so F*k’em! I would imagine they had some “strong” things to say in there questions to bud.

by ChyTownNole on Oct 7, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love...

the backhanded complement!

by kmp9494 on Oct 7, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, what do you make of Greg Reid's recent talk?

I can’t imagine the coaching staff likes to hear him running his mouth again. Hopefully he backs it up this time and he doesn’t perform like he did against UF last year and OU this year.

by fsunole23 on Oct 7, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Rivalry game. Everyone already hyped. No big deal

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Oct 7, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally like a little trash talk.

I just hope he plays like he has been lately and not like OU.

by fsunole23 on Oct 7, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

If the U is not up for this rivalry game and are reading their press clippings, this could be the Orange Bowl closing all over again, meaning losing badly when they should not and playing without heart. That was the game that will always stick out in my mind, and told me that RS was not a good coach, to have that team fall that flat in that moment….. They were listless. and that was not an overmatched team at all, and I thought he would get fired after that game, oh well, Long live the Reign of Randy at the U!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Jturner01 on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

fsunole23

IIRC Reid played exceptionally well against Miami last year. I am confident Reid will have a good game. The way Harris lobs balls up in the air, it’s hard not believe he won’t.

by TCHOP561 on Oct 7, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

That is where all the love for him came from IMO. He literally almost won that game towards the end. I never forgot his hit S. Marvin. If only he was knocked out for good. Ugh.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

G5 will learn the hard way--

….there is a marked difference between exuberence and trashy banter….I bet OU performance is eating at him. Him playing with a chip is a good thing.

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You're calling his recent quotes trashy banter?

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hardly consider that good bulletin board material.

Maybe it’s just me.

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by tricknole on Oct 7, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby and Schellenberger (sp?)

Bobby and schellenberger in their confrontations on TV prior to the games stirred up the interest in the game. Howard’s drawing a fence around Miami efforts in recruiting started getting the recruits staying in Florida and not going to Oklahoma and Nebraska, made our teams.

We need to beat Miami this year to put us on map in the nation and in Miami, we couldn’t ask for better exposure than ESPN on Saturday night.

Bobby and Howard’s little show every year, might not have been great TV, but it was effective.

by rspknole1 on Oct 7, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I would like to see us fake a kick.

They come so hard, the fake has to be there. (preemptive twss)

Does anyone just use timeouts anymore, or are they all "burned"?

by Ponder This on Oct 7, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

I am sure someone was thinking about that, I know I was. Love the use of the preemptive twss.

by Mateo9399 on Oct 7, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The meltdown could reach epic

proportions if we pull O’Leary

Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.

by levynole on Oct 7, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Stuff the run, Stay Deep, prevent big returns....

our not so flashy but very effecient offense will do the rest. FSU 24 MIA 17

by MJSeminole on Oct 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

If we do 8-4 or better

“our not so flashy but very efficient offense” will sum up the offense quite well.

by randlieb on Oct 8, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love reading the comments from this post.. they're tremendous.

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by FSUvaFan on Oct 7, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

A Great Thread...

…all the stats and the links…just impressive as hell. Best FSU site anywhere.
F W C .

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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Oct 7, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just joking in my post, by the way, about number 3.

I didn’t really think you were being that defensive.

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by BigSpear on Oct 9, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

They they (Eye Of The Hurricane) ever post

their half?

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by RishiM on Oct 8, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Did they*

"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher

by RishiM on Oct 8, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see it on their site earlier.

And they have more traffic than I expected. They’ve got 200+ comments in some of their recruiting updates and game previews.

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