FSU vs Gardner-Webb: Preview
FSU (2-0) takes on Gardner-Webb (2-0) tonight at 7:00pm. This is the second home game for the Seminoles who are coming off a convincing win against UNC Greensboro. Last game was a bounce back game for both Michael Snaer and Chris Singleton. Snaer managed to replicate his defensive intensity on the offensive end with 16 points on only 9 shot attempts and Singleton earned a triple-double with 22 points 11 rebounds 10 steals to go along with 4 blocks and 6 assists. FSU needs both Singleton and Snaer to have great years in order to meet the expectations placed on this season.
Gardner-Webb went 8-21 last year after starting 3-0. I don't expect this to be much of a game as their talent level and height is comparable to both teams FSU has already faced this year. Gardner-Webb counts on SG Jonathan Moore and SF Stefon Johnson for the majority of their scoring. FSU's defense should be able to shut them down.
Even if FSU struggles to put Gardner-Webb away early remember that these games are essentially scrimmages and the coaches treat them that way. Any success or failure can not be projected on the rest of the year. Its about two weeks before the first "real" game begins, Sunday Nov 28th against #9 UF.
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FYI
One of Gardner-Webb’s win is at UNC-Charlotte — that program is down, but I believe GWU MIGHT be a step up from UNC-G. Here is a story on some Big South conference awards from GWU players last week:
http://www.shelbystar.com/sports/points-51506-freshman-davis.html
Gardner-Webb’s coach made a name as an assistant at Ohio U.
http://www.shelbystar.com/articles/holtmann-46361-basketball-new.html
"Gardner-Webb beats Mary Washington "
The bastard hits women. Let’s bury ’em.
by CelticPride on Nov 16, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 16, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Will this be on local television?
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 16, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions
I don't get Fox Sports FL
If anyone finds an online link at some point, I’d appreciate them posting it…
Alot more assists this year
I really like the speed we played UNCG at. The ball was moving the whole time and we were taking decent shots for once. After watching the U last night, I don’t think they’re a factor this year reminded me alotta of the team we had last year. Scott and fat Reggie will be tough tho.
It's early
and there have been some surprises by somebody needs to tell Dulkys the season has started….lol.
My sample size is 1 this year (home vs. UNF)
But this team looks no smarter offensively than it did last year. I see no change in offensive IQ. I see great individual talents. But I’m coming to the conclusion we will never see a Duke or UNC team fielded by Coach Ham. Talent-level, yes. (Mentally? Eh). Situational smart basketball? No.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Maybe Duke.
I really don’t think they’re all that “talented” in terms of athletes, they just have guys that are good for what K wants. Hamilton isn’t as great of a recruiter as everyone wants to claim, imo.
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Just to be clear, in Ham's tenure
Duke 5 1st round picks (4 lottery)
UNC 9 1st round picks (7 lottery)
FSU 2 1st round picks (1 lottery)
So there’s zero argument that we’ve had their talent.
Not at all a fair comparison.
This is his 8th or 9th year. If you want to go off his past 4 or 5 years, that’s fine. But those first few years the program he inherited was awful.
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Show me where I said that.
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So the argument is that you don't have a point to make?
by norcal_nole on Nov 16, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that's precisely it.
Someone else said we had as much talent as UNC and Duke, not me. So know who the hell you’re actually talking to. I said “maybe” as much as Duke if you are talking from an athletic standpoint but that K gets players that can execute what he wants how he wants.
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Maybe athletically as far as running and jumping
but Duke has much better basketball players. They have guys with very high basketball IQs that can shoot the lights out.
by ggggmen08 on Nov 16, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which I made mention of I feel.
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Agreed. I was just making mention that I agree with your assessment that FSU probably has better athletes.
Ok.
Do we have the athletes, if coached well, to play with and beat a less athletic, well coached Duke squad? Imo, yes. We just don’t have the coaching.
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Do you think
FSU should try and recruit kids from NC and/or IN?
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Nov 16, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
We do recruit NC.
Ian Miller in 2010. Terry Whisnant in 2011. I think we should recruit the best players we can get regardless of where they are from.
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I agree.
I was just thinking along the lines that alot of schools recruit FL for football talent being that football is king here, why not recruit the bball crazy states for that talent. I grew up in IN, it’s like a different world. Football is just something to do before basketball season starts.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Nov 16, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
In the last 5 drafts Duke has had 3 lottery picks,
we’ve had 1. So I’m not getting your point about “less athletic.” What does that mean in basketball terms? Do our guys have a better vertical?
As to coaching, are you really suggesting that Ham isn’t as good as the guy is a lock top-5 coach of all time?
great point - we're playing basketball, not fielding a track team...
duke and unc basically alternate having the #1 class in the nation – and they have the luxury of basically recruiting the best player at whatever position of need they happen to have at the moment..
our recruiting is good, and much better in recent years – but still not even on the plane as the big boys…
(see harrison barnes this year – austin rivers next)
much of the hype is predicated on new comers
i with hold judgment until…
Kreft returns
Miller gets his feet wet
CHam figures a sub pattern (could be waiting awhile here)
Wake and GT have both been knocked off by A Sun teams
lets hope we don’t stumble against a smaller conference foe.
BRod, are you just filling in for TC or are you gonna help with BBall coverage this year?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Are CBB games subject to blackouts?
I live in Arkansas, but I have the DTV sports pack and therefore get every Fox Sports channel known to man.
Never heard anyone say that before.
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Gardner–Webb Runnin' Bulldogs?
RUNNIN’ Bulldogs?
Why?
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time for you guys in NorCal to get your act together and separate from the wingnuts &
freaks in SoCal. They’re going bankrupt, don’t go down with ’em!
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Singleton picked up where he left off Sunday.
13 points already
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even more promising: 12 of 13 from the free throw line (for the season)
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I saw that last game.
A Singleton which drives more often than he shoots 3’s and hits his ft’s would be an NBA caliber player…
17 points now, midway through the 1st half
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I don't agree with him "shooting less 3's".
Shoot them if you’re open, but don’t turn into a perimeter jumpshooter only.
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More or less.
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We've had good offensive ball movement but nobody besides Singleton has done anything.
And the turnovers are now beginning to PILE up…AGAIN.
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Mostly baskets just not dropping.
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Last year it seemed like he was trying to force 3's as opposed to driving the hoop
When he could look unstoppable.
this is true, although I dont think there was anything "forced" about the threes he was
taking! He was just chuckin’ ’em.
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I just have my Seminoles All-Access audio feed, which I am listening to while I do my
laundry.
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Not much to base it off of in this game yet, but Loucks comes in and our offense starts to struggle and Loucks with 3 quick to's in only a handful of minutes.
Now they’ve got Jordan in with him so I’m not sure this will help our offense out.
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Yes.
1 point in last almost 5 minutes.
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Stick Kitchen and Singleton back in = 2 point bucket immediately.
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9-1 RUNNIN' Bulldogs run!
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Game is Blacked Out for me on Direct TV....
Is it blacked out for everyone outside of Florida?
Ohio State up by 18, (89-71), IN Gainesville???
wow
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It was like 42-43 when I saw the score coming out of half.
Guess the crapeyes went on a run.
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if ESPN gamecast is to be believed, Ohio State is shooting 63%, and Florida is
shooting 62%.
VCU up 43-40 on Wake at half.
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1 or 9 to end the half. 3 points in the final 7:30 of the half.
GREAT start. Put the backups in and it was bad. Real bad. 10 turnovers in the 1st half. Yummy.
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Wow, Louisville now plays in the "KFC Yum! Center"
That sucks. Papa John’s Stadium and the KFC Yum! Center. Geez.
Yum owns Papa Johns and several other companies.
Their headquarters are in the Louisville area I believe. Actually pretty nice because they’ve helped pay for some great facilities upgrades.
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Facilities are nice, indeed
especially the expansion of their football stadium, quite loud there now. I just hate corporate sponsorship rearing its ugly head in college athletics. Just can’t imagine being a student and screaming at opposing teams “Welcome to the YUM! Center!”
Like my UCF friends talking about “BHN Stadium.” Great stadium, just hate the corporate names. In all sports really (O-rena now the Amway Arena, so disappointing), but especially college sports.
Can't say I'd care too much if we played in the Publix Supermarket's Doak Campbell Stadium if we raked in a few extra million a year.
It’s still Doak.
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If I had Bill Gate's money
I could have donated the money and we’d call it The Schmidt House. Guess it’s a good thing I’m poor.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Nov 16, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
now that i think FSU can be good
these games are borderline unwatchable
Noles lead cut to 8. Its watchable now.
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It gets so much better when the opposition gets tougher, too.
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Ham is not that great of a coach.
offensively i dont think he will ever really get us to the promised land. admittedly, however, i just read warchant’s b-ball board and form my opinions based off their posters’ opinions :-D
i kid. i kid. haha.
Good, because their posters suck.
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they have no sense of humor.
so glad i found this site. i was banned from warchant when i was a student at FSU for criticizing mike martin and his typical butthole pucker style of play @ the end of the season.
Oh, that's a big no-no there
11 can do no wrong on those boards.
Really?
There seems to be a large faction that’s not impressed with Martin over there. But most the basketball fans are all flowers and sunshine butt smoke blower uppers.
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trick, this was probably 7-8 years ago when it was a little easier to defend him, i suppose.
i think some of them have finally seen the light w/ martin.
Analogy time….
MM:college baseball as BB:______
:-D
Meh, at least Bowden won twice.
Despite being bride’s maid a lot.
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Situation is so similar it makes me ill
Program regressing, surviving on talent, coddling a “legend” coach who hires incompetent friends, while the school in gainesville continues to improve with a hot young coach, profiting of our complacency.
Didn’t we already learn this lesson?
Noles lead down to 5?
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I'm seriously reconsidering going to the game at FIU on Thursday.
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well, if the Noles' legs are going out, Thursday could be worrisome.
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FIU blows.
Not impressive vs Barry or Florida Memorial.
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Started 13 of 16. Only 3 of 16 since.
Singleton 7 of 7, 19 points.
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i dont feel like reading through all the comments,
can we get a video feed online?
what is the recap so far?
19 points, 8 rebounds already.
Guy needs to average 25/15 if we hope to do anything this year.
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All 50 of them? haha
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first missed shot of the night by singleton comes at the free throw line with under 15
minutes to go.
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Most steals in ACC since 1979 I think they just said.
For Singleton’s trip dub.
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Snaer makes a layup, 1 of 6 now. 2 points.
Loucks still not looking good.
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50-38 11:30
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Singleton a rebound away from a double-double now
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I like this Okeaforcarl White feller.
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Deckherhoff just called Gardner-Webb "Butler" for some reason.
Love the guy!
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Bulldogs...
Who are playing Louisville, at the Yum arena thing. It all comes full circle.
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o.k., man, you just scared me there!
you better hope you dont start looking like him.
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Turnover 14 @ 9:05.
How many do we end with?
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I don't feel comfortable guessing until our lead is "safe."
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G-W just one foul away from giving us the double bonus already.
FSU 10/13 at the stripe so far tonight.
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And there it is. That was quick.
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Block: Leonard, how are you going to stick around in the postseason longer this year?
Hamilton: We aren’t going to talk about it. We are going to go out there and do it. That’s our goal.
How…insightful.
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yea. now you know why I never listen to a coach at any level answer any question for any
reason.
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That, to me, isn't even coach speak.
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VCU 84, Wake Forest 66
in Winston-Salem. 2:25 to go.
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Singleton gets his double-double.
should be about 23 points and 10 boards
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At the line shooting two, going for a career high.
Currently tied at 23.
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Jones just said it, Dulkys having a quiet 12 point night.
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Attención: THE LEAD IS 77% SAFE...
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and its a final...VCU 90, Wake 69
once again, in Winston-Salem, NC
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We get them twice. Nice.
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Snaer's been pretty off all night but unlike past games isn't hesitant to shoot it.
That’s a good sign, to me, even if they’re not going in.
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boy, you aint kiddin'.
1 for 9.
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30 points and 12 boards! not bad.
gotta be the first Noles to go triple-double, double-double, back-back.
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Good game from what I saw.
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Va Tech had the lead in the second half, but K State blew it open late.
Va Tech is going to miss JT Thompson this year
And Miami looked decent against Memphis, too.
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Game's over in less than two hours and 10 minutes. Wow.
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Noles win. I'm outty here.
Take care, comb your hair.
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Dang
missed most of it. Just caught last 7 minutes or so. Snear continues to take open looks and miss…
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
Always tough to overcome the UNC/Duke favoritism, but geeze, if he keeps putting up numbers like this....
AND we manage to finish in the top 3, I’d say he’d have to be a favorite.
The biggest threat would be Duke or UNC putting together a ridiculous pre-tournament season — then they’ll be looking to award the perceived cog that makes them go, a la Ty Lawson over Toney Douglas a couple years ago.

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