Tomahawk Notes 11.23.10 (Highlights Added)
Injury Notes
Willie Haulstead (concussion) was back at practice and coach Fisher said he thinks he will play. That's big as FSU definitely missed Haulstead against Maryland. I am not sure which way I am leaning, but certainly will not pick FSU to beat UF if Haulstead is out.
As we said last week, Jermaine Thomas (knee) and David Spurlock (two serious concussions) will be out until at least the bowl game, if they return at all this year. FSU will continue to use its fifth right guard on the year.
Recruiting
I know many of you don't pay attention to the fanshots and even the fanposts. You should, but in any case here is a portion of a great article on FSU's recruiting.
Jimbo Fisher, Florida State Seminoles make it seem like old times - ESPN
Somewhere along the line, there was a slow erosion with FSU football and recruits started looking elsewhere. Before long, Bowden was out and Jimbo Fisher, the coach-in-waiting, officially took over in December 2009.Since then, it seems the Seminoles have been trending up on the recruiting front. Last year, after landing quick commitments from five-star linebacker Jeff Luc and five-star cornerback Lamarcus Joyner, Fisher reeled in the nation's sixth-ranked class. [FSU was 42nd the day Bowden retired]
This year, he's on pace to beat that. And make no mistake, it all starts with Fisher.
"Jimbo Fisher is real straightforward and I like that about him. He doesn't sugarcoat anything," said four-star safety Karlos Williams, the Seminoles' highest-ranked recruit. "That's just the way it is with him."
But Fisher can't do it alone. His coaching staff is hitting all the right notes with recruits.
"There is definitely a different chemistry there. They are younger coaches who seem to get along better and they have jelled better," Williams said. "They also relate better with the kids."
Fisher and his staff understand what it takes to win the recruiting wars. They all know it's a daily grind because they're battling Florida, Miami and everyone else that recruits the Sunshine State. There are no easy wins. Want a strong presence in South Florida? Then get ready to battle the Miami staff. The Seminoles not only have to fight off Alabama and Georgia, but they also want to be able to go in those states and snag a prospect or two. It's an uphill fight, but one the Seminoles coaches keeps finding a way to win.
Florida State has also done as good of a job as anyone in the country in keeping pace with the acceleration of the recruiting process. The coaches are on recruits early, getting them on campus and selling their message. FSU has made junior days in the winter and spring as well as summer camps a very important part of its recruiting process.
FSU's resurgence on the field has had a big impact with recruiting because recruits can see the progress. While there have been growing pains under Fisher, there is noticeable improvement. ...
We will have a recruiting podcast before the bowl game, but this class is shaping up to be really special. Currently rated third in the country by ESPN and even Rivals (who is making an attempt to fix the debacle that was its earlier state of Florida rankings), FSU plans to take at least five more prospects and could, if every single thing breaks right, take up to twenty nine. I was a law student at Alabama when Saban put together the ridiculous #1 class in 2008, and the reaction my classmates had back then to that class is the same I now have for this class. I am not saying that Florida State will have the top class, but how nuts is it that an ACC program fighting for bowl eligibility just a season ago could be contending for the top spot?
No, FSU won't dominate the way it did for that stretch during which Spurrier stopped recruiting and Miami was coming off probation, or the way that UF did while FSU had self-imposed probation with Bobby and Miami had with, well, they are still having those issues. No team will dominate the state without serious stumbles from the other two powers. But with Miami taking a serious tumble, there's enough talent for both the 'Noles and Gators to consistently maintain two of the best fifteen programs in the country. Dividing by two is better than dividing by three, and with both FSU and UF likely to sign top-five classes, dividing the state by two is happening.
There is no doubt that Fisher will fix this roster over the next two seasons. It will be interesting to see what they can do with a kid with the talent (but not the rap sheet) of a Jarmon Fortson. By that I mean FSU had to take some risks to get talented kids that other schools perhaps didn't want as much late in the process as they did early on. Risks will still be taken, but perhaps fewer risks. FSU is now competing for a different level of athlete. By 2012 I expect to see 45 new players on the roster. The level of talent on this team is just not what it needs to be to compete at the very highest level. But it looks like it will be by 2012.
Additionally, I know many have complained that ESPN left Alabama at #2 ahead of Florida State, despite FSU having more ESPNU150 commits than the Tide. What you might not realize is that Bama has the Aussie, Jesse Williams. ESPN doesn't use a strict mathematical formula to do its team rankings and because of that has some leeway in deciding to keep Bama above Florida State.
On a bonus note, here is a short video of FSU commitment Rashad Greene
Rashad Greene Senior Highlights (via EliteScouting)
4th and 14 Croc Announcers (via brewmeone)
Rix to Sam Croc Announcers (via brewmeone)
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Would shock me if he went anywhere else.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 23, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'd count Tony Steward, too.
That puts us at 12/21 commits in the ESPNU 150. Fisher and company have done an amazing job recruiting. AMAZING.
Hah?
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yea
I was in the skybox for the clemson game, and that was the talk up there…they are excited to get to hang out with Jack Nicholson…lol
Well, well.
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Is O'Leary related to Jack Nicholson too?
Or were you just thinking of Jack Nicklaus?
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by AMFKNole on Nov 23, 2010 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
smart ass :)
"See da broad to git da boodyackum, layer down an yackum smackum" - Jive talkin guy from Airplane
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 24, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
HEEERE'S NICKY!

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
How would you compare him to last year's WR crop? Maybe Shaw, but bigger?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 23, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions
Isnt Rashad Greene undersized?
I know he’s good but damn I’m tired of undersized WR’s here. More Rodney Smith types please!
by cerebralfish on Nov 23, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
6' 2" isnt small.
I would say his size is fine. I am sure he will be much more elusive than Smith without a serious height disadvantage.
I don't think he's close to 6'2".
5’11"ish imo.
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yea
he seems small than a mofo running into the endzone on one of those plays….buuuuuuuuut….obviously he has madd skills…so…let’s get Kelvin Benjamin and do the damn thang!
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He measured 6 foot even this summer and weighed a 170lbs
"I think Florida State is gonna win."
"Florida State is going to come out strong because its senior day. Their defense has been playing very good and I think they're going to stop Florida's offense." 2012 DE Dante Flower Jr.
I might be wrong. I havent checked his size in awhile but I thought
I remembered him being 6’ or under??
by cerebralfish on Nov 23, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
The video says 6'2 180 pounds
I think his frame can hold more weight. A little skinny
by fsufrenzy911 on Nov 23, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Rashad is listed anywhere from 6' to 6'2" 175-185lbs
Rod Owens was 6’ 190ish
Jarmon Fortson 6’3" 220
Rashad puts on some muscle in our S&C and should be fine.
ok I just saw where TN had previously listed him as
6’1/2 175… That ok I guess. I’d still like more 6’3"+ Wideouts….I consider 6’ and under guys slot guys normally and were hemorraging average slot guys.
by cerebralfish on Nov 23, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I thought I saw him listed as 6 even or 6'1
If he’s 6’2+ legitimately that’s exciting.
Willie is much needed this week. Think he has a shot to beat man coverage since he hasn’t exactly dominated zone coverage all year.
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by AMFKNole on Nov 23, 2010 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is 6 even
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 23, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
He also runs a legit 4.4 and has a 40-42" vertical jump.
cant wait for him to get up to tally…
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by AMFKNole on Nov 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Greene showing off his jumping ability.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PdX4xgfH_E
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
The Rix to PK is always a nice pick-me-up
But I’ve always thought the 4th and 14 throw was arguably Rix’s finest throw at FSU. A 35 yard bullet off what looked like the deepest drop back in college history.
Word
And I said ‘gotta put the 4th and 14 in there’ HUGE. Also, the game was not over after this Leak drove them down to like our 30 after that. I really wish video phones were more prevalent back then. If you could hear the stairwells as we were leaving doing the chant in the swamp. Glorious.
smh...35 yards?
@ him throwing that ball almost 65 yards on a rope..
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 23, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
in the 2nd video that is...
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 23, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
This game was so amazing
and yes, the 4th down play in my eye’s was more amazing than the TD throw, not that the TD throw wasn’t amazing, but that 4th down throw was such a big play. To this day that is still the loudest that I have ever heard any stadium. It was literally shaking because every single person was on there feet screaming at the top of there lungs. Then the TD throw, and BAM, minus the FSU fans, total silence, it was amazing.
by MontyTheGreat on Nov 23, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
4th down play was clinical
The 4th down throw was the better play and more pure play. The TD shouldn’t have happened happen. It was horrible DB play. The DB never looked back for the ball and the ball was under thrown.
The 4th down throw was pure drop back strike in stride to the receiver. Wasn’t Robinson supposed to be the next Deion Sanders out of high school? I remember he was highly, highly recruited and he even asked to wear number two. Or was it a different Robinson?
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Nov 23, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Gus Scott took up Ballet after this game
His spins were perfect.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
i never saw him playing
but for wut i have seen in highlights he had great arm, that 4-14 you’re talking about is just great, dont think many qb can make that throw specially not in that situation
by ColombianNole on Nov 23, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I know where i was for that play
like i’m sure everyone else remembers where they were. I was bumbed out on my couch with my Cane friend from childhood(who never went to UM of course) and then dove on my floor hardwood floor and had what looked to be a seizure of joy….. TMI, i know… i forgot how quick Rix’s release was. He couldn’t mentally handle JF’s offense if i had to guess.
Urban can have all the Fortosons he wants while Jimbo bring in character guys.
He'd have handled Jimbo's offense just fine IMO
He never did anything to I’ve evidence that he was dumb, no one ever asked him to learn nor tried to teach him anything complicated. He was a knucklehead to be sure, but he was given no leadership and was annointed from the time he was 19 and the majority of fans turned on him at the first sign of offensive regression (wrongfully so we know now). I’ll always be sorry we wasted one or two shots at a title in 03 and 04 with a real coaching staff (on O, D had not completely fallen off then).
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by AMFKNole on Nov 23, 2010 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The D was dominant then
they kept our bowl streak alive. Rix did too many back flips into the endzone though and I agree with you that he was starving for a real QB coach. Sad.
by rabidnole21 on Nov 23, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Brett Williams' GF
was a friend of mine at the time….apparently, EVERYONE hated Rix. Made him eat by himself, messed with his car. Zero confidence in his abilities. I was a freshman in Fall of 2001, and McPherson was one of those kids you saw everywhere. Always out, had tons of friends. Everyone wanted him to start. It was the EJ v. CP7 debate X’s 2. Only, neither of them were really good. lol.
Still though, I maintain, Rix balled out his freshman year.
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 24, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Rix
It’s hard to say how good he could’ve been. Rix was a victim of what I like to call “Trent Dilfer Syndrome” This is when a coach loses confidence in his quaterback and tries to get him to “just manage the game”. The quaterback then senses (from the playcalling) that the coach has lost confidence in him. This leads him to begin to lose confidence in himself. The coach then senses that the quaterback is losing confidence in himself. Well, you see how the cycle goes. Yes, I know that Dilfer eventually won a Super Bowl, but I still hate the “game management” philosophy.
Florida State 45 Miami 17
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by SeminoleMike on Nov 23, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
If anybody else on the team cared as much as Chris Rix did, we wouldn't have lost the 2004 UF game.
But sadly, no one did. And we waited too long to get Chris into the game.
It was the only time in my life I ever made the "heart" argument.
Because there wasn’t a single player on our sidelines other than Chris Rix who seemed to give two craps about the outcome of that game.
I was so looking forward to starting an "Unemployment" chant to send Zook packing, but the Gaytors made sure that would never happen
I hated watching that game
It was an incredibly frustrating game.
It seemed clear from where I was sitting that Wyatt Sexton was stoned… errr… had Lyme’s disease and wasn’t going to get the job done. We wait too long to bring Chris in and he still leads us to a couple of scores.
We were throwing into the end zone to tie that game with seconds left on the clock after being outplayed for most of the game.
Wasn't Wyatt a Gator fan
I feel like he was seen wearing a Gators hoodie not too long after/before the UF game. Sickens me. That game was winnable. We don’t start that douche and we win, I will always believe that.
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Wyatt had a girlfriend that went to UF. He visited her for a game and was photographed wearing a Florida sweatshirt.
Yeah, but he played for FSU
and as we all know his dad was a coach at FSU for many years…
He was also found claiming to be Jesus at one point, so I don’t put much stock into what hoodie the guy was wearing
No, he claimed to be God
LSD is a helluva drug
God or his son?
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There we go, that's the story
Wasn’t implying he in any way through the game. However, I don’t care where my gf went to school, I wouldn’t wear a chief rivals’ garb.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Dude definitely loses his Nole card on that one.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Oh, I've seen this. Trust me.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I'm glad we pretended he had Lyme Disease to get rid of him.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I wish we had been honest
He was a hippie and drugged out of his mind and had to be kicked off the team.
Alas, that may have hurt the program too much.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Well, maybe he actually contracted Lyme Disease (benefit of the doubt), but that's not why he left the team.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Yeah, that was a huge cover up.
He spent all of his time, bombed out of his skull. Lyme disease was just a convenient cover-up if it was even true.
Dude was just back from Bonnaroo when he had his "Lyme Disease Episode"
Known stoner with a history of problems with authority, who just got back from Hippie Fest, and got busted for losing his mind in public.
If that doesn’t scream Lyme Disease to you, I just don’t know what to say. You’re probably one of those comspiracy people who think this was all cooked up to save his Dad from embarassment.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Know someone who was with him earlier that night
Said it was a bad trip on LSD
doing pushups in the middle of the road claiming to be God is bad?
sounds like fun to me hahaha
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I think the team should have whipped his ass when they saw this pic.
It was ridiculous, the f#4king QB for FSU caught wearing that piece of s@%t rag.
I had forgotten about that pic until now and it pisses me off as much as it did then.
If that pic alone does not describe the lost decade, nothing else can.
You wonder why he didn't exhaust his eligibility?
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Knew his sister while at FSU. Definitely not.
But he should have known better about the optics of such things.
Wyatt had a blog for awhile
He maintains it is was lyme disease. He is actually a pretty funny guy with a good sense of humor. Some college kids are more mature than others at any rate. I will certainly not cast the first stone and do not plan a tell all book of my days at FSU.
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
Ron Zook Field
Florida fans will always have the Ron Zook Field thing. It’s so sad. Wasn’t the field being named after Bowden during that game?
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Nov 23, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Found it
http://www.gatorzone.com/facilities/?venue=swamp&sport=footb
There it says It was dedicated on 9/9/1989 as Ben Hill Griffin Stadium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators_football,_1980%E2%80%931989#1989
Here it says they lost to Mississippi. 19-24. The head coach at the time? Billy Brewer.
We took their Gator Head in '03.
Way better than Ron Zook Field, IMO.
by HROB3 on Nov 23, 2010 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can say a lot of bad things about Rix
But you can never say that he didn’t care. In fact he cared too much at times because he wanted to make every play when just giving up on a play would have been the better option.
I’ll never forget the way he took the Wide Left loss. The guy was in tears. It was probably his best performance as a ‘Nole. I don’t think he had a turnover that game. He was true warrior out there.
He was a tragic figure. Almost a Hamlet-esque type of figure.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Nov 23, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He wanted to win when he was on the field,
but he didn’t care enough off of the field to be consistently successful on the field. (Admittedly, the crappy qb coaching did not help.)
That's true for a lot of players
You have to remember that these are young men, they aren’t pros. They don’t have time to dedicate themselves to the maximum off the field. They have to go to class and live lives. They are not totally immersed in football. Staying out of trouble, going to class, and practicing hard it all that you can really ask for and doing what the coaches ask of him.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Nov 23, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
He was good enough
Rix was good enough, but the offensive system was just too archaic. Everyone thinks that the reason FSU was so great in the ‘90s on offense was because of Mark Richt’s “brilliant” play calling. The scheme was so simple. The offense consisted of about four formations. I formation, I formation with three WRs, shotgun with 4 WRs and shotgun with 3 WRs and two backs. The reason the offense was good was that they had great offensive lineman who gave average quarterbacks all day to throw to NFL wide outs. Chris Weinke lost like 20 straight games as starter in the NFL.
Florida State overwhelmed every one with far superior talent, but when they actually ran into comparable talent they struggled at times on offense. Most of Bowden’s big game losses came down to the offense laying a giant egg in the game. See the ’01 Orange Bowl debacle when they were held to two point, ’99 Fiesta Bowl, Wide Right III (offense did no show in the first half), etc.
Was Rix stupid at times? Yeah he was, but he led them to a 10-3 record in ’03 with play calling that consisted of throw it up to PK Sam and Thorpe every other play. Its no coincidence that the best offense FSU had under him was during his first season. Turnovers killed that team, but they actually moved the ball really well. Once the competent coaching wore off with Richt leaving the offense started to collapse.
Look at the ‘01 Miami vs. Florida State game. Many people consider that Miami to be one of the greatest off all time, but FSU actually out gained them in yardage. They had more first downs, more rushing yards, more passing yards. What did them in was turnovers. They probably win that game if they don’t turn the ball over.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Nov 23, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
'01 Orange Bowl was terrible playcalling
we abandoned the run and left it for dead. Fiesta Bowl we started a backup QB, I still contend that with Weinke we win that title.
Pretty much agree with the rest.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
The most BB ever scored against Oklahoma was 16 points
Fisher got 17 first time out. BB’s other point totals were like 2,7, 9
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
I remember.
I was in the upper visitor’s section. After a day of enduring snarky UF trash talk (“Where do you go to school?” “FSU.” “Oh…I’m sorry”) from old high school friends and their ilk, it was a fantastic way to end the night. I have never seen a town die as quickly as Gainesville did that night….NOBODY wanted to go out.
Best memory of the night: Yelling “it sucks to be a Florida Gator” non-stop with about 30 other FSU people while walking out.
Jesse Williams is a scary beast of a player.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
by mmmCheese on Nov 23, 2010 10:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I love the class that is coming in.
Woo 100.5 hours till kick off.
Gator announcer
Mick Hubert is such a D-BAG. Sounds so great to hear his call of the P.K. Sam TD catch. When he says the word “CAAAAUUUGGGHHHTTTT” it sounds like someone had just stuck a knife in his back. I was seated on the opposite sideline of Sam at the other end of the stadium. Initially I couldn’t tell it had been caught. But I saw all the fans in blue sit down, and a pocket of garnet clad fans stand up and cheer. I figured the improbable had happened.
I despise his voice when he gets excited
It gets so shrill. It’s “fingernails on a chalkboard” bad.
I think we all have a story about where we were that day
And honestly, I could listen to people tell them all day long.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Here's mine...
I had to work that day in Governor’s Square Mall. I took my lunch break at the Ale House on Apalachee Parkway. As my silent protest for having to work that day I decided to get completely wasted on my lunch which was supposed to be for 30 minutes. I intended to leave after 30 minutes but ended up staying for about an hour and half to watch the entire 2nd half.
After the Rix TD to PK the place blew up with applause. I literally went around the bar high fiving everyone in there. In the process, the one gator fan in the bar was a dumpy middle aged guy who tried to trip me. No fight actually occurred, but there were a few choice words exchanged.
One of the best parts of that day was that I fully expected to get fired or suspended when I came back to work and it was worth it after that game. However, when I got back to work the store was basically empty and no one noticed how long I had been gone or the fact that I was pretty drunk.
That was a good day.
THE BEST UF vid on youtube is the Choke at Doak vid.
Incredible edit and audio work. FYI there is a google chrome extension that allows a little download button to pop up under youtube clips. I highly recommend it.
I love Rix
Honestly, Chris Rix is one of my all time favorite players in college football. The guy was gold to watch good and bad. He was the college football version of Brett Favre. He threw some of the worst interceptions I have ever seen. But he was fearless and I have to give him credit for that.
His 0-5 record against the ’Canes is impressive in a weird way. How bad do you have to be go 0-5 against one team?
I have the ’03 Notre Dame game saved on my computer and it was one of the most bizarre performances I have ever seen a quarterback play. He mad some of the most jaw dropping plays and at the same time made some of the worst throws you can make in football.
This play sums up Rix in a nutshell. That throw is almost physically impossible.
I loved his post game interview after that game. He said something to tune of “its war out there and you gotta do whatever it takes to get the job down.”
There was a firefight!!!!
I hated Rix....especially after I met him...
….and i agree with most if not all of this, especially considering what was going to follow (i.e., AD, Wyatt, and Weatherford)
that play is just stupid awesome
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by NorFla_Nole on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
i met rix in a setting outside of school, football, church......
seemed like a nice guy. no one can deny the amount of heart he had. no coaching + bone headed mistakes (missing final exam) + locker room division = he was destined to fail. what could have been.
If we're winning 11 games a year, everybody calls Chris Rix "cocky" but loves him for it. It's not like Weinke was everybody's best friend on campus.
It was mainly a function of perspective.
We lose 3-4 games, especially losing to Miami every year, and Chris Rix is a prima donna with a terrible attitude that nobody wants to be around.
Chris Rix was suspended for a bowl game because he didn’t attend a final exam and everybody calls him boneheaded. Deion Sanders does the same thing and he’s “Priiiiiime Tiiiiiime”.
Just saying, the guy was a scape goat for a lot of frustration. Some of his criticism is not deserved.
by MattDNole on Nov 23, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
What about that parking in the handicapped spots
twice thing…
He was a good player, no doubt, and he played hard. He had some uncommon drawbacks though.
I love Peter Warrick
and he essentially stole from Dillard’s. And that is far worse than parking illegally.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Good point.
When the Nigel Carr stuff came out, I thought back about dumb things I did as a youngster— certainly that’s way worse than trying to sneak some parking.
But did he steal from Dillards twice?
(or get caught twice?)
amazing how some of you make excuses for a guy who was supposed to be a team leader
by Cigar City Nole on Nov 23, 2010 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looking back on it now, I agree completely with you. I just remember how the students went from being angry at him to angry at Jeff.
Most of the stuff with Rix was frustration with his lack of consistency and periodic acts of dumbassery when the team could least afford it. That said, he never tried laying down in the middle of Tennessee Street.
People didn't blame Jeff till he was gone and STILL hate him
Hardly anyone talks about how awful Weatherford was (outside of most TN’ers) or that Wyatt was no good either.
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All else being equal, I'd take Chris every time instead of Drew.
Look at some of those throws Chris could make one more time. Add in speed and strength and he has every physical tool you could want in a QB. He just didn’t think things through sometimes. And he wasn’t given a whole lot of help.
I said outside of most TN'ers
discuss FSU football with someone who doesn’t frequent this board. I think you’ll find that most think Weatherford > Rix.
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Perhaps it’s because Weatherford was related to William Wallace? God I hated hearing that at the beginning of every game on ABC.
I think that most people could not relate to Rix as he was a metro California Boy. That being said I would take him on the field over Weatherford any day.
It's Simple
Weatherford “beat” Miami in possibly two of the worst football games ever played in the history of organized football. Rix went 0-5 against much better Miami teams. That’s one of the reason’s Weatherford didn’t receive the same amount of criticism as Rix.
Also it had to do with their styles of play. Rix was a gun slinging/playmaking QB who wanted the ball in his hands and liked to make things happen and who would take risks. Weatherford was a check down QB and who would take the sack easily or throw it away. Fans saw the stats and didn’t see many picks so they thought that he played okay. Rix would get his team in position to win the game, but he would throw a pick or fumble the ball away where Weatherford would go four and out on his own 20.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Nov 23, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget that he would likely take a sack on 4th down
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Exactly
I remember reading somewhere that Fisher compared Ponder and Weatherford by saying that Weatherford avoided interceptions by not taking risks, while Ponder avoided interceptions while taking smart risks. Granted, this was last year. Ponder hasn’t been as good about that this season.
But Rix was a gamer. I think that he would have been an All-American under Fisher.
Rix would have beaten those two miami teams
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By a lot
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
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by Jamil Dawson on Nov 24, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Perchance some of those "acts of dumb@$$ery" as you put it could be due to being set up to fail by the playcalling and talent around him?
He had his faults, no doubt. But our fanbase was way too harsh on him because we weren’t yet ready to deal with the real problem… an out of touch coaching staff.
by MattDNole on Nov 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I would guess a very large portion of the fanbase had no idea what the real problem was.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 23, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say a large portion still don't fully comprehend what the problem was
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by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 23, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 23, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
They still have no idea
We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
I'll never forget what Bowden said
I think it was a year after Rix left or the spring after Rix left and people were asking him about Rix and he said something to the tune of “Chris never got better during his four years or he never improved.”
At the time I never thought anything of the quote and I kind of agreed with him, but as I have grown older I realized how stupid that was to say. Basically, Bowden blamed Rix for the team’s failures during his tenure instead of looking at him self and his coaching staff. Look at why he didn’t get better.
Its obvious that the kid had talent and could make plays. In the last 10 years only Chris Weinke won more ACC titles under FSU.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Nov 23, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I remember Bowden saying or implying
that Rix couldn’t get the team behind him— I interpreted his comments as indicating that the team didn’t trust him due to some of the foolish mistakes (on and off field). Looking back at that now, it seems a bit like throwing him under the bus.
He was looking for a scapegoat from the moment the ball was kicked during the '01 Orange Bowl
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That is why there is still a lot of disdain
by people who know what was going on. BB was never going to call out his talentless son. It also seemed like he had become complacent enough to believe hiring his friends did not matter whether it meant wins or losses.
He never though he would be canned for it. Then when it happened he got bitter. The statues, glass windows and brain washed fans went to his head.
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Right.
That’s basically what I was trying to say, while remaining concise. Looking back, he was a very gifted player, and as students, I (and quite a few others) took that for granted.
It wasn’t until he was gone and we saw others fail that we began to transpose the blame from player(s) to coaches.
Agree with this completely
Rix drove me crazy, particularly the way he carried the ball “like a loaf of bread” while scrambling or running. Way too many stupid fumbles.
Having said that, after a several more years of disastrous quarterback play, it was necessary to revisit the Chris Rix fiasco. While I was aware in real time that our offensive play calling was unimaginative to say the least, I don’t think I realized how bad our position coaching had become, and in particular our quarterback coaching. Unless I’m mistaken, Richt continued to work as our quarterbacks coach while he was OC, and I think he must have been a good and maybe a very good QB coach. Once he left and Jeffy and Daryl Dickey took over, I just don’t think our quarterbacks were getting any coaching worth having.
I bet Rix would have thrived under Fisher.
Why are people who don't know what they are talking about always so damn sure of themselves?
by csfuu on Nov 23, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Some of the assistants will tell you
Richt coached the wide receivers also and Jeff brought the doughnuts and coffee.
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The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
Problem is he is a QB. The position is always judged harsher than any other.
Not saying that makes it right, just saying that’s the way it is.
by HROB3 on Nov 23, 2010 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not only that, but he was the program's face for 4 years of steady decline.
Not his fault, but he was in the spotlight and didn’t always handle it the way we would expect from a guy like Ponder on the field or a guy like Weatherford off the field. He handled it like X Lee. And X Lee would be more “hated” if we’d had to deal with him as the starter for 4 seasons. So would Sexton. Those guys were mercifully gone quickly and forgotten largely due to the hope of change.
But agreed, Rix could have been much, much better with the right coaching and supervision. Could still be playing on Sundays, rather than coaching a high school team and “lording it” over a.m. sports radio. (See what I did there?). Heck, so could X Lee.
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Disfunctional quarterback coaching
So we had Drew Weatherford and Xavier Lee, and we couldn’t manage to get the guy with enormously more talent and ability coached up enough to displace the guy who at best should have been a career backup at FSU?
Daryl Dickey and Jeff Bowden were a lethal combination.
Why are people who don't know what they are talking about always so damn sure of themselves?
Jeff Bowden & Daryl Dickey-There's no coaching like no coaching
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rix's dad had him up until the early morning hours that night on the phone
rix was dealing with a lot of junk while at fsu. i’d take him back in a second. he’s all nole.
Sigh. Sam and Thorpe were a heck of a combo that year.
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Thorpe never was the same after his injury
It was sad cause he was pretty good.
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Better than that.
I think he had nearly 1,000 yards the year he broke his leg. Stovall was around then, too, wasn’t he? I didn’t follow recruiting back then (much younger lad was I), and I thought his name was Snowball for awhile.
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I think Stovall was around but was younger and not as large of a contributor
Leading receivers were Cro, Sam, Chris Davis, Willie Reid (this guy was huge in his career, moved from WR to RB back to WR if I remember correctly, or maybe just one move), Stovall, Booker and then D-Rob.
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Stovall had the 3rd most yards that year.
But well behind Thorpe (994) and Sam (735).
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Ya I just went in order didn't see they were listed by receptions.
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Overtime, game winning touchdown/drive for Washington, I think.
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I believe it was the drive to take us to overtime
Our last Thursday night game at home.
by Legal_Seminole on Nov 23, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is the year
If you guys don’t beat Florida this year then you never will. You won’t get a better chance. Florida’s offense is terrible and any team with a pulse of running game should be able to shred them for 200+ on the ground.
There was a firefight!!!!
"then you never will"
bet you wish you could get that one back
If you guys don’t beat Florida this year then you never will.
Hyperbole much?
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 23, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Not really
UF out recruited us so their Juniors & Seniors are more talented than ours, net, even after injuries. But we won’t get outcoached and we will fight to the bitter end. I see more quit in UF.
We will improve as much as they will going forward to the war resumes this year.
by rabidnole21 on Nov 23, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
why
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 23, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
"Donnie, you're out of your element!"
The sense of entitlement of these players “down the road” is probably on par with Texas. The only thing UF is winning this weekend is the Meltdown thread.
This guy is not a UF fan and I think he's actually hoping we beat UF
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Was a post from AA site
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by hardcorenole on Nov 23, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Was hoping for cold weather
but not forecasted to get into the 50’s til maybe 4th quarter.
Hopefully after this game we'll finally have some new highlights to post a year from now.
The Rix to PK is great; the tie at Doak is nice; seeing Spurrier throw a visor is fun; but I’d rather have something fresh next year.
Wish List
A. A montage of failed Pouncey snaps set to Benny Hill music
2. A 95 yard run by Chris Thompson, with Will Hill tripping on his own dreds
D. Chris Rainey getting kamakaze’ed by Dustin Hopkins on a kickoff return
GalenHall’sBellySweat. A montage of distaught gator fans set to The Smiths’ Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now
by coonhound on Nov 23, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
IV
Ty Jones trucking elam into the endzone.
by rabidnole21 on Nov 23, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
That's anxiety setting in
Get the Xanax ready Urb. Jim Rome dumps on Urban all the time, its great. Calls him Urb. Dumps on the SEC all the time for the over abundance of arrests. And he’s right. Fun to watch.
by rabidnole21 on Nov 23, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I could go for that one
I have always been big on superman. He really needs more muscle in the upper body though but his legs look like tree trunks.
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I see the game going down with UF getting about 400 yards of O and we get about 350
and just like the Maryland game – turnovers and redzone D will decide it. To me this game is a coin flip
Curious.
Just wondering why we havent seen more of Jeff Luc this year? In the spring it was said he would probably see some snaps this year.
feardaspear
you should probably post that question in the ongoing discussion thread in the fanpost section…my guess is that he’s not picking up the scheme that well or something..he has played but sparingly…
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by Kelvin Hunt on Nov 23, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
He's playing behind 2 good players in V. Williams and K. Smith
CJ7 and Telvin are outside backers that play a little of both sam and will so they can get on the field easier. Luc is a Mike and only a mike
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 23, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
He accidentaly ate a small child at a buffet
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by GonzoNole on Nov 23, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not gonna beat our K. Smith
Has played a lot of special teams
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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F Penn State.
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He can do anything he wants and stay as long as he wants
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He deserves it. He earned it. He IS Penn State.
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Penn State is lucky he still wants to be there.
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Eat your heart out Penn State.
Eat your heart out.
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FSU 28 UF 24
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 24, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Does just about everyone give this game a coin flip?
My first ever game at the doak so I’m hoping the noles win it with ease, but I am realistic.
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by centralflnole on Nov 23, 2010 2:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would say that the line is about right, although I think the Gators win by more.
They just have the right players in the right places to beat us this year. And their defense is one of the best we will see, whether they play like it or not is a huge question. At the end of the day though, I think they will run the ball right at us consistently until our bend don’t break defense breaks.
Don’t get me wrong, the Gates are not great this year but neither are we and they have better lines and defense so that should get it done.
And yes, I know their Oline has had some serious issues but I still think our weakened and battered Dline cannot take advantage of that
i think we have an advantage thanks to the greattest offensive mind in the game...
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by ColombianNole on Nov 23, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Their scrambling QB and our lack of WR production worries me
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The frustrating part of it is that if we were healthy and just had, 1 maybe 2 dependable not fantastic WR, I think we win it.
Our Dline is done, with good reason, and I don’t think they will hang very long in this game…..especially if our Offense keeps our Defense on the field all night.
I hope that Jimbo has sandbagged a few wrinkles that will work flawlessly in this game as it did in the Miami game.
We haven't been beaten by designed runs
Drop back passes and scrambles. I don’t see them dropping Burton or the other guy back and letting him read and then decide to run. This advantage is overrated. Russell Wilson > any QB on UF’s roster currently.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
They will run Burton, Reed,Demps, Rainey, Moody, Hines and anyone else that wants to run the ball
i know its a stretch but even UF is not stupid enough to realize our Dline being diminished by no depth and injuries.
They were stupid enough to run the option with Brantley and run Demps up the middle instead of getting him in space.
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burton isnt that good
only times he has been successful is against really bad Ds
by ColombianNole on Nov 23, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
USC defense is about like FSU's
They shut them down and scored handily with a balanced run pass offense.
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If it was @UF we would be a 7 point underdog
We can handle UF easily if they play how they have played the majority of the season, but I don’t think they will play that way against us Saturday.
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 23, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
UF ran a package against App State that could give us problems.
Reed at QB, Burton to the left and Brantley to the right. Reed can run it throw it, Burton can catch it on a reverse and throw to Brantley or the other way around, just many options with that look. I am sure our coaches are aware of it. After watching UF play Saturday I am less worried about Brantley, who’s decision making when throwing the ball is questionable at best, than I am about Jordan Reed and Trey Burton. Reed played a bit at QB, mostly running but did show that he is capable with his arm as is Burton. A pretty vanilla game as far as play calling but UF has the athletes to give our defense fits with multiple looks.
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Are Rainey and Demps out for this formation?
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 24, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
No, Rainey was out there in the formation, Demps never played.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Miss State
They did not score much but ran up and down the field on the gators without even bothering to pass.
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16 run plays in a row in the second half
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