FSU vs UF: Basketball
by B-rod24 on Nov 28, 2010 7:48 PM EST
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PrintThe Seminoles play their first "real" game of the season tonight at 7:45 when they take on the Florida Gators (4-1). UF's lone loss came against now #3 Ohio State. UF fans are somewhat uncertain about their chances to win tonight after struggling against Florida Atlantic and Morehead State.
UF has a very balanced offense with 4 of their starters averaging 10+ points per game. UF's leading scorer is 6'2 sophomore guard Kenny Boynton who provides 15.6 points per game. Boynton was easily UF's best player in their loss against Ohio State, with 21 points on 57.1% shooting and 5 of 8 from three point range. Chandler Parsons fills the role of #2 scorer and senior leader with 13.2 points per game.
Last year, the Gators beat the Seminoles 68-52 in Gainesville. FSU shot 33.3% from the field and turned the ball over 23 times. The Seminoles struggled against the full court press and allowed UF to jump to a 39-19 lead at half. I don't expect the same result this year.
The gameplan for FSU to win this game is simple. On offense, the Seminoles only need to take care of the ball and exploit height mismatches. Snaer, Dulkys, and Singleton need to be involved in screens to get matched up against the extremely small Erving Walker (listed at 5'8, possibly shorter). Derwin Kitchen also has 8 inches and almost 30 lbs on Walker so posting up our point guard also is a legitimate possibility. Smart decisions and offensive efficiency is important.
Defensively, Snaer and Singleton have to force the ball away from Boynton and Parsons. With Snaer and Singleton's defensive talent there is no way that Boynton or Parsons should have a big game. Multiple Gators are capable of hitting threes so FSU needs to run guys off the line and force them to use their dribble.
Massey Ratings gives FSU an 83% win probability. The expected score is 74-65. This game, along with the game Tuesday against Ohio State, is going to go a long way to determine the future expectations of this Seminole team.
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Let's get the weekend sweep:
Hockey – W 5-4 on Friday
Football – W 31-7 on Saturday
Basketball – ?
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yes we play hockey and are actually decent
by phi*tau-nole on Nov 28, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
decent when you factor in the closest ice being Pensacola or Jacksonville lol
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by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 28, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Club Hockey
ACHA Divison III aka no monetary help from the school at all
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"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Nov 28, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Studying for tax accounting get harder every minute.
Probably not going to be able to make the game but I will watch it on tv.
Before Thanksgiving, I was more confident of a win here rather than on the gridiron.
Now, after the football Noles demolished UF, I am starting to wonder if I should worry!
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
83%
for a preseason top 10 versus an unranked team is pretty crazy
by Mannieblunts on Nov 28, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
it has to do with their struggles against recent bad teams.
only beating morehead state by 6 is a problem.
On the other hand our scrimmage games really skew the statistics in our favor.
We are ranked ahead of UF in 7 of 10 ranking systems
Radio broadcast just said Luke Loucks is starting.
No Snaer.
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
Did they say why?
I saw him in the starting 5 graphic on tv but couldn’t pay close attention during most of the 1st half.
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This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Good Start indeed
Watching downstairs on the big screen – will be back at intervals.
Who else was asking Dulkys to pull that back out?
just my seminoles all-access, which requires membership
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
Yeah, I'm kinda pissed because my local station is listed as an FSU BB affiliate...
But for some reason Dave Ramsey is on.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
I was hoping that this was the year we could finally shake off our patented offensive dry spells
Not looking like it tonight.
Noles clearly arent handling the press.
actually, it doesnt even look like they know they are being pressed.
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
You would think after last year we would find a way around it
by phi*tau-nole on Nov 28, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
look as lost against the press as always.
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
Thanks man. Muchas freaking Gracias Indeed. I appreciate it very much
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Nice
We aren’t any better offensively. Completely out of sync as usual. Thanks coach.
our offense reminds me of the miami heat offense
a bunch of good players, but looks like everyones just standing around, hoping shots fall
21 points in the first half. same old, same old for this team.
30-21, Florida
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
Gotta Admit
though more athletic this year Hamilton still doesn’t have a clue. TO’’s, no half court offense, no real point guard, nobody driving to the basket,etc,etc. Nothing really changed that I can see.
I think having Jimbo leading the football team now makes this even more frustrating
now that we really know what a coach can be, listening to Hamilton drives me nuts. I know we can’t do much better, but I wish we’d find some fire-y young coach from a small school who wants to come and prove himself in a league like the ACC.
ARRGGGHHH #@%^&*
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Grab a chair and take a seat
We’re in for a long ride this year. Coach Ham in full effect
by TCHOP561 on Nov 28, 2010 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How many TO's so far 20?
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
actually, only 5 turnovers.
Noles have missed a bunch of point-blank layups. The offense is still aimless.
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
by GoNolzOhio on Nov 28, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
definitely missed some makable shots
Led to UF fast breaks – but our O has looked… Non- creative
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 8:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
our team doesn't move on offense
Makes us very easy to defend
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 8:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i mean no motion without the ball...
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 8:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we actually have an offense....now would be a good time to reveal it
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Been waiting a decade for that
Wake me up when it jappens
by TCHOP561 on Nov 28, 2010 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
leading scorer at the half for UF 6 points FSU 5
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
So simple
It seems SOOOO simple. Why the heck can’t they hit the easy ones? How many point blank misses was that? Remarkable. And everyone else just stands around waiting for whoever has the ball to take a shot before they move. The effort is atrocious. It’s just good players aimlessly attacking or dropping back for difficult shots without any recognizable plan or scheme or strategy in mind.
I don't mean to imply that it is simple in general to score baskets
I am well aware how tough this level of competition is in basketball. I am merely stating that the problem they have seems to have very simple schematic solutions.
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Flordia has 20 rebounds...we are just getting out hustled inside and
Singleton is being doubled but can’t seem to see the open man
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
CelticPride
Same ol shit? I just found a radio link, and have been following the gamecast….
Struggling to score, turning the ball over, giving up the perimeter shot?
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Actually we're not turning it over,
we’re breaking the press and then,
a) missing an open shot
b) passing up the open shot, running the offense for 30 seconds, and then chucking it toward the rafters
several open shots were declined, thats for sure
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
that might have been the easiest one
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
lack of offense
29 percent shooting
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 8:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love havin the basketball group together again...
Trick, Celtic, Ohio, Brannon…
Anyone heard from TC?
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That plus crazy new job...
Following very peripherally unfortunately. Really wish I had the time to write about hoops again…miss it big time.
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Not to be selfish but seriously, when are we getting you back?
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Would certainly open up some things if we just knocked down a couple open looks
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
I was really lookin for Snaer to make an impact this year
I absolutely hate seeing Loucks in the lineup, and I immediately took that to mean we would struggle. Kid should be playing off the bench, if at all.
defender knocked it away from behind
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
THAT was a long 3 by Florida
first 10-point deficit of the season
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
We are extremely disorganized on offense
They surround us and we make terrible decisions. Kitchen just blew a 2 on 1 breakaway play by hesitating again. He still doesn’t trust himself, he needs to drive and shoot more, IMO.
i think he needs to sit more
im down on him -
he doesnt shoot well from three, so he hesitates to shoot it, and when theyre zoning us, sometimes we work the ball for 20 sec to get someone an open look – and when he fails to pull the trigger it all goes to waste..
They are getting a sh*tload of offensive rebounds.
by Gulfport Nole on Nov 28, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
They're outhustling us on the boards
And our offense is too static
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thanks.
The way everyone is talking on here I expected us 2 b down by at least 20 pts w/ little time left.
it just isn't pretty
Half started with two FSU stop and dunks (and one) on the last one … Been downhill since then
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Apparently when Dulkys shoots a three...
the rest of the team should do their best impression of Trickett’s o-line & freeze to avoid the foul so his shot actually counts.
Wrong
We’re merely lulling OSU into a false sense of security.
by RoyalOaksNole on Nov 28, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
kitchen - turnover followed by missed three..
miller time
the roster says Kitchen is a senior. sure dont look it.
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
none of our guys can shoot
Two missed wide open 3’s
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Donovan is just flat a better tactician.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
By miles and miles
Honestly, Coach Ham couldn’t do any worse offensively. It is a travesty how much talent he wastes. However, at the same time, he was the one who brought in these “great” players in the first place and he has gotten us to two tourneys. So I suppose we should just put up with him for a while longer. Although it doesn’t make these laughers any more enjoyable.
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
there's the conundrum with coach ham.
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
zero tourney wins with the talent that has come through is laughable
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
A good offensive mind on the bench would help
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
We can't honestly start complaining about not winning in the tourney YET
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe this year if it happens against another 12 seed.
Both Wisconsin and Gonzaga were bad draws and we barely lost to both of them.
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
snaer is on fire now
feed him the rock while it lasts
nasty block by a turd..
shoulda tried to dunk it..
What just happened?
They look like a complete diff team now. Someone turned on the switch.
by TCHOP561 on Nov 28, 2010 9:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
it was the own goal
To pull within 10
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's a brand new floor
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Don't wanna be a negative nancy,
but we can’t rely on this type of comeback when we dig ourselves holes. Need solid D, and the ability to score out of an offense. Sounds like we “backyard balled” our way back into this game.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
with who we have at coach, that is the only way to look at it
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
actually
It was three three’s from Snaer destroying the zone that was stymeing us
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
filthy dunk by cs
followed by a weak foul call on their end…
James getting in the action???!1
Considering it a bonus with whatever he can give us.
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its so amazing how hitting a couple threes opens the passing lanes in the zone
nice elbow j by james..
you're welcome randy
i spent a good half hour trying to find that stream
I know pal.
I looked for 30 minutes and gave up. I admire your resolve.
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took a while to buffer
Got the audio going now. AWESOME!! THANKS!!! Will this work for all the games?
I would love so much to have a great BBall program.
It’s so annoying that we get so close at times.
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I think we need a new “offensive coordinator” for basketball.
by Gulfport Nole on Nov 28, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno
its so rare to have a great b-ball and football team at the same time, i would rather have a great football team and a good basketball team, i.e. 7-8 seeds every year to the tourney and a win or 2 every so often. thats enough to get some excitement, but not enough to jinx our football team
Jinx our football team?
I don’t see having a great at basketball or football team being mutually exclusive.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
who else has done it?
other than UF, who promptly dropped into mediocrity after each championship run was over. their basketball team wasnt nearly as good, and the football program seems to be in shambles
Texas. Oklahoma HAD been. Wisconsin is. Florida was. Michigan was. WVU was.
I’m not talking great as in national titles. I’m talking top 25 in both sports. Make frequent BCS bowls and Sweet Sixteens.
It is obviously hard to win titles in both in the same span, because it’s hard to win one title in either sport as is. But being good at one does not mean you can’t be good at the other. I’m not seeing the logic behind that statement.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
well that i can get behind
thats what i meant by 1-2 tourney wins every year. good, not great. i would classify great basketball as duke/unc, as in perennial final four players. i would be perfectly satisfied with sweet 16/elite 8 every year, with the occasional year where everything comes together and we push for a title. maybe thats where it has been lost in translation.
I think so.
A Sweet Sixteen every other year or so and a run deeper than that every handful of years and I’m content as can be with our basketball program, even if I still think we are somewhat underachieving.
I agree it’d be hard to be a Duke type basketball program. Just don’t think it has anything to do with how good the football team is.
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
i hate to say it, but kreft could be a big factor if he gets on teh court..
gibson is NOT a center..
im glad we're not trying to find snear
dude only hit 3 straight threes..
What is up with the foul calling?
For Heaven’s sake. They aren’t getting called for ANYTHING.
great feed by snear
gibson blew the bunny but got fouled..
xman to the line
With a chance to tie. Misses both
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
UF running a lot of clock
Up three – now 1
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
keyboard fail
70 seconds left
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not my choice of offensive set
But the snaer 3 is acceptible
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
dont even need to foul now. just play D
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
great d airball
Offensive rebound
by CelticPride on Nov 28, 2010 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
couldnt get over that hump to take the lead.
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
on the up side
the winner of this game has gone on to the “worse” season as of late
they dont have time to feel sorry for themselves anyway. They got a real buzzsaw
coming to Tally on Tuesday
"Hey, Moose! Rocco! Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya?"
Should have won that
Makes u wonder wHat the score would be if our coach had a brain
by TCHOP561 on Nov 28, 2010 9:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, shit...
Typical FSU basketball…
We’ll get a chance at redemption against OSU, boys. No worries.
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We were only in that game because....
Snaer decided to go on a tare. Had nothing to do with coaching scheme. That’s all Ham’s scheme is: “Just hope one of the players gets hot.”
Yea but it's a loss to the turds
Should have flushed the toilet when we had a chance
by TCHOP561 on Nov 28, 2010 9:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
True BUT
A loss like that does nothing to encourage you as to an improved squad over last year. Yes Snaer was good, Gibson better, but CS has to be able to adapt his game!
It’s all the same infuriating stuff that will prevent us from ever doing anything significant in the tournament. EXTREME and INEVITABLE underachievement. I shudder to think what Krzyzewski would do with this talent.
by EngineerNole on Nov 28, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
What is the deal with Kreft is he injured or academics or what?
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
A good question that I was about to ask. Does anyone know what the story is on Jon Kreft?
He is supposed to be a great player and it looks as though we could use one.
Supposedly he'll be back around mid-December
From what I remember.
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He won't help us much unless he can rebound...I could count the decent entry passes on one hand
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
god, why is it that we allow the basketball team to do this year in and year out and we dont get pissed
We stopped letting the football team let us down time to do the same for the basketball team…
We're used it it.
Ham isn’t Jimbo. He a great recruiter, but just can’t develop it in conjunction with good strategy (offensively).
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I'm pissed ...not that it matters
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
I've grown use to these kind of losses
They are almost expected
by TCHOP561 on Nov 28, 2010 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
great game for snaer, finally
but can we please get the man’s name right? its not SNEAR, its SNAER. dude throws up 5/6 3’s, the least we can do is get his name right
I appreciate this post.
I have just quit correcting people, really. It IS aggravating though. It’s not all that hard IMO
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A very disappointing loss, considering Ohio State took these guys out by 16 in G-ville.
Tuesday night is likely to be very ugly. I had better expectations for this team this year.
Temper your expectstions
We still have a coach without a brain
by TCHOP561 on Nov 28, 2010 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dunno that Shannon might not have been a better option late...he's a rebound magnet
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Have faith. Dissapointing outcome...for sure. Game is still on tape delay up here but as I now know the outcome.
Held Florida to their second worst shooting night, worst offensive efficiency, worst point total and most turnovers.
Even though the ‘core’ is still together, there was a ton of turnover on this team and they have yet to identify a true point guard to run the offense. The big question is what offense is this team running, but put a true point in their with college experience and you’ll see a different product. The team is till getting by on talent and big individual performances. Singleton has a triple double against UNC-Greenborough, great…he should. Do that in ACC play and I’ll be satisfied. James appears to be performing well. Add Kreft soon. This will be a competitive team in the ACC. They will shut teams down. The question is will they prevent themselves from losing games. They are not going to go out and ‘win’ a ton of games. It will continue to be classic LH hoops. However, the talent is continuing to roll in. At some point, the talent will be greater than LH’s inability to put an offense together.
Still early. And with the way the majority of the ACC looks this year, we might be ok. A 4 point loss to a ranked team early in the year, no big deal. Just can’t make it a habit. Granted, OSU will take advanatge of all of the turnovers unlike Florida did. Could be quite ugly. But…as always, the defense will keep it closer than expected. Florida had the #5 offense coming in. OSU is #4 and their defense is ranked 3rd. Florida’s D was ranked 73rd.
Could be a long night…on national tv at that.
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And apologies for the lack of activity from me. Crazy crazy crazy new hours at my job and I have a tiny one running around.
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I don't ever see Ham taking us out of mediocrity.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
i don't like the way we failed to really atttack the zone
we are still missing that guy who can consistently attack the zone off the dribble, or if he is on this team, he has failed to identify himself.
The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.
the operative word there is consistently
snaer has been consistently underwhelming this season, and only in this game was great. plus, he made all his points from 3, none attacking the zone off the dribble. miller may have the potential, but snaer certainly would fit into the potential category as well, as he has yet to provide any consistent performances. i want him to succeed too, hes a hard worker and very talented, but dont kid yourself into thinking this game is his norm since he arrived at FSU, even since the beginning of the season
Good report and perspective, TC.
I couldn’t get past the 10-4 foul disparity late in the 2nd half, against a pressing UF team. I know that’s not process-oriented thinking, but the outcomes just seem inconsistent with what you would expect. Our top 4 scorers with 4, 5, and 4 fouls vs. theirs with 1, 2, and 1? Argh.
We still have a lot of matchup problems specifically with UF. Just don’t have a guy with the wheels to go step-for-step with Walker and Boynton… and yet, contrasting this game with last year’s – and make no mistake, they’re a much better team this year – we come away with an A/TO ratio of 12:14 vs. theirs of 8:17. That’s a drastic improvement that I think we can build on.
In all, aside from the offensive inefficiencies that we have come to expect, I think our downfall in this game was psychological; Singleton is supposed to be “the guy” that we look to when we need a clutch basket, but he’s still not a very polished offensive player. He doesn’t really look to create on his own. Snaer stepped up and started taking (making) shots, and we start to come back to life. That is a positive sign and if he and others can continue to take ownership of the team I think we will progress and grow. I think as with many other seasons of late our team will take a while to find its identity, and when we do, we’ll be a pretty formidable squad… that unfortunately still may be true point guard away from “great.”
In the first
half for certain, it was more than psychological. They are just fundamentally unsound. I mean really, really bad. Ball movement is absolutely atrocious. I voiced concern when FSU struggled a bit against a much more inferior team earlier this year. Said then I didn’t think this team was capable of achieving more than last years team. First ‘real’ game and it looks like that might be the case. At home an entire half of basketball that sloppy is unforgivable.
Note: I am by no means an expert on basketball. I know even less about bball that football. But, from this casual observer’s view I don’t expect too many things from this team. Looks like maybe the ACC is a bit down this year and that might help keep them competitive. We’ll see. Hope I’m wrong.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 28, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
We missed a lot of easy, open shots.
Many of them were instances where it looked like a freshman playing his first big game. Just too amped up and bricking shots.
I am not and will not deny that there’s a lot to be desired systemically from the offense…. but also saying that there are variables beyond this that affect individual circumstances/outcomes.
Do you remember last year vs. UF? Their squad was garbage last year and simply destroyed us. You can’t throw out the season just yet based on this result. Kreft alone will make a huge difference, giving us another legit post option (with Gibson in foul trouble that option was removed for most of the game) and some rebounding help that was sorely needed.
Hope you are right.
But coaching is coaching. Teamz haz it. FSU doez’t.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 28, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well
At some point, the talent will be greater than LH’s inability to put an offense together.
I disagree. I hope that is true, but I see a lot more of this same sloppy garbage coming in the future. My God, it was so horrible.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 28, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have faith we do just well enough to be on the good side of the bubble and get bounced first round.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I think,
I’ll be happy with that and mildly surprised.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 28, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be pretty upset.
I’d want a new coach.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Why surprised?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Surprised that they get to the tourney.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 28, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
But I mean, you think they're that bad?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Yes.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know how "good" we actually are but I know we should be better than how Hamilton will have us at the end of the year...AGAIN.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
correct statement.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
And that's the only thing that matters in my evaluation of him.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
The officiating killed us
we were guilty of continuing to have too many stupid, careless turnovers but had the game been called evenly we would have won.
Don’t know how bad it looked on tv but I was sitting right behind the Noles bench and we got blatantly screwed at least 5 times not to mention the no calls that FU got away with.
It’s early and this is a team that has got to count on a couple of very young players in critical roles. Miller has to shoot when he’s open…he looks scared right now.
Gibson is really gonna shine as the year goes on…I’m glad Alabi is gone.
Do we have a shot against OSU ? Probably not but I don’t think we will get beaten that badly.
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