'Noles' Win Over Florida Stops Many Streaks
by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2010 11:28 AM EST
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With the 31-7 win over the Florida Gators, Florida State accomplished a lot it had not done in quite some time, and even some firsts:
- The curse of Bobby Bowden field is over. Florida State finally beat UF at home. It was the first victory over the Gators since FSU named the field after its legendary coach.
- Florida State is division champs for the first time since 2005. It is an outright title.
- Finished the regular season ranked inside the top-20 for the first time since 2004.
- FSU has 9 regular-season wins for the first time since 2003.
- Florida State is State Champions for the first time since 1999.
- Florida State beat its rivals 76-24. That is the largest margin by which the 'Noles have bested the Canes and Gators in a single season. Ever.
- In those games FSU won the turnover battle 6-to-1.
In the two biggest games of the year, FSU's coaches completely dominated the coaches from Miami and Florida. I'll have much more of this later in the week, but FSU was disciplined and well schooled, while UF was simply not.
Notebook: UF's Meyer admitted fake punt was costly
Line shines Florida LB Jelani Jenkins said FSU's offensive line was so prepared they knew what the Gators were doing much of the game. "They were calling out a lot of our blitzes before they happened,'' Jenkins said. The Gators had no sacks and no interceptions, and FSU converted eight of 15 third downs. "Everybody played together, nobody making foolish penalties and nobody making foolish missed assignments,'' Seminoles C Ryan McMahon said.
Urban Meyer's iron-fisted grip on Sunshine State football supremacy is over.Jimbo Fisher's may just be beginning.
The significance of this surreal Saturday in Tallahassee cannot be overstated. Seriously, has the fate of football in this state ever changed so drastically and so suddenly? The Noles, in only one season under Fisher, are already the most steady program in the state.
Miami, after Saturday's embarrassing loss to South Florida, may be on the verge of firing coach Randy Shannon.
The 7-5 Gators, enduring their first five-loss regular season in more than two decades, are a program Meyer admitted Saturday must now completely "rebuild."
Who would have ever thought the Seminoles, thrashed by a combined score of 127-37 in the previous three games against UF, would now have more stability than the Gators? There will be those who try to explain Florida's season as the Gators simply suffering from a massive post- Tim Tebow hangover. But I disagree. The Gators have lost more than their quarterback; they have lost their identity.
This is not a one-year fix for the Gators.
The Gators will likely lose the following players: Ahmad Black, Lorenzo Edwards, Chas Henry, Brandon Hicks, Duke Lemmens, Mike Pouncey, Justin Trattou, Brandon Antwine, Marcus Gilbert, Maurice Hurt, Carl Johnson, A.J. Jones, Lawrence Marsh, Emmanuel Moody, Carl Moore, Terron Sanders, Jeffery Demps (Track-Olympics), Will Hill (NFL or Grades), and Janoris Jenkins (NFL).
That is not a one-year fix for UF. There are about 14 really key contributors from that list. Of the Juniors Hill is most likely to stay. The offense at UF is a complete mess and its personnel is a bunch of talented, but ill-fitting pieces for any scheme. Will they ditch Brantley and run the spread option with two tight ends who cannot throw? Will they keep Brantley? Will they go with the super-talented but unready frosh Jeff Driskel?
This feels different, like one year won't be nearly enough to flip the switch, and like two or three might even be a stretch. The Gators passed for 64 net yards Saturday, a total that would have represented one healthy heave in the Tebow years, and that's with a committee of three quarterbacks pooling their pitiful efforts.Here's the worst part. Florida only passed the ball 16 times against FSU, the nation's 87th-ranked pass defense, and that's in a game that got out of hand in the second quarter.
Playcalling like that is abject surrender, or at least it was once Meyer had played his one panicky ace of the day, a fake-punt gamble that failed to deliver a first down and set Christian Ponder up for a 39-yard FSU touchdown pass on the very next play.
Other Notes
- Congrats to FSU G Rodney Hudson, named winner of ACC's Jacobs Blocking Trophy. Hudson is 2-time winner. The award is voted on by coaches.
- FSU improved to 20th in the polls.
- Funny quote here from Miami's AD: UM AD @KirbyHocutt: "Not winning the ACC was not a factor, you can be relevant nationally without winning your conference."
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I know you'll break down the game later, but
to my untrained eyes, I didn’t see FSU doing anything out of the ordinary. I mean, as far as scheming or game plan. I haven’t seen the game on TV yet, but it looked to me that Jimbo and Stoops played it straight up and challenged uf to make them change.
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden vs UNC 15-1-1...Jimbo 0-1
Not to be overdramatic
But attending that game was like a 3.5 hour orgasm.
by Marmaduke1 on Nov 29, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
A virtual tantric football experience, if you will.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Haven't been that satisifed since UM '93
When Devin Bush took that pick the other way, I started screaming “we just won the National Championship!” not realizing exactly how that would unfold. (Then to be even more brazen, we booked our hotel and airfare for New Orleans the following Monday.)
Anyway, haven’t felt like that in 17 years. Thank you Jimbo.
Bet you were really disappointed when you figured out we were in the Orange Bowl in '93 :P
by arrdub on Nov 29, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ARGH!
That should tell you something. I combined two different years in my mind.
It was after the ’99 UM game that I booked the NO trip.
It was after the Bush TAINT that I claimed a title.
LOL.
Must be getting old. Got 2 things to say about that:
A) The memory’s the first thing to go, and
2) The memory’s the first thing to go.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Gators
There’s a lot more wrong with that team than Steve Addazio, contrary to what the Mouthbreathers would have everybody believe. The offense is the biggest mess, but it ain’t the only one.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
I knew this loss would be meltdown time in gaytor nation.
The guy was 12-0 last year dummies. The problem now is you don’t have a 250lb qb who never gets hurt and is surrounded by the best player (Harvin) you have ever had.
The old coaches adage of “if you have two quarterback, you don’t have any” can’t even apply since you tried having three. You must have less than a quarterback. Negative qb’s.
The gaytors appear to have been caught up in the “stars” game like the coaching staff did here for a number of years. Forget who you need to win games just convince the offensive player of the year to come here even when you know he will never fit into your offense. Brantley really messed up signing with them.
by pb4957 on Nov 29, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for this
You must have less than a quarterback. Negative qb’s.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 29, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
AHHAHA
I just said the same thing to someone. “I think you have what? Negative QB’s.” Good stuff.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think I'm a Gator fan or something?
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
by Drew J Jones on Nov 29, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I feel sorry for Brantley though
He never wanted to go to UF IMO as evidenced by his initial commitment to Texas. The legacy thing along with his dad pressured him to go with the Gators. If his name were John Smith, he’d have stuck with the Longhorns. Tough situation for an 18 year old.
Gator Blogs Unmercifully Trashing Brantley Now
They are now asking"What happened to his speed?" “What level of competition did he play in?” We need to start Jeff Driskol next year! Saw him in the Lakeland game he’s the man!!" That poor kid…how long till they turn on him too??
Talked to a Gator last night and he said the same thing
I reminded him that it was his perfect coach that recruited him and has since squandered whatever talent the kid had. “You can’t just crap on the kid because your coaches suck.” Surprisingly this shut him up for awhile, although before that I listened to several minutes worth of excuses as to how we didn’t beat them, but that they beat themselves. If not for all the gator miscues the score would have been 10-7, which apparently is much more indicative of the two schools talent levels. God I had so much fun ripping his arguments to hell!!
Don't you know that any Southern Girl worth her salt is a football fan?
I've hear ALOT of Canes fans call our win a fluke.
On the ESPN board almost all of the Canes think that we didn’t beat them. It was a fluke. My mind couldn’t process it.
...Because a 28-point victory in a hyped rivalry game in your own house is a fluke?
Riiiight.
Let me guess: they think we’re just not on the elite level of Virginia and USF to have beaten them legitimately?
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Dude, Brantley was the 2nd best qb in the SEC last year.
I don’t feel sorry for a kid with that type of accomplishment.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
He would tear it up at Texas or 'Bama
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Don't feel sorry for him AT ALL
I’ve heard multiple reports of him being a complete a**hole from UF students.
Someone on Chant Rant yesterday said this:
“If it’s true that if you have two quarterbacks you have none, then what do you have if you have three quarterbacks? 31-7!!!”
I’m loving their “Threebow” QB system, hope they keep it up, haha.
miami's AD is an idiot
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
Especially when you consider that firing someone you hired
is admission of guilt / prior stupidity.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Sure, the path to national relevance is paved with the golden cobblestones of in-conference losses
to teams like Virginia (who didn’t beat ANYONE else in-conference).
Then he fits in with most of their fanbase.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 29, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Lots of delusional fans in orange and blue Saturday
They aren’t any closer to a national title than we are.
Its all in the game.
Talent-wise, I think they are
But they lost some amazing coaches. Being a successful college coach means you reload not just on recruits, but on assistants.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Until they figure out how to maximize that talent, it's worthless against other talented and well coached teams.
The biggest questions to me are:
A) How long will it take Urban to figure it out?
2) Will he physically survive that process?
D) Where will FSU be when UF gets it back on track?
Coley) Can Urban figure it out and right the ship?
He’s never had to rebuild his own program. He’s always gone into jobs with something fresh and new to sell the recruits and fans. Rebuilding is tougher than building IMO.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 29, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Great points
His building job was made easy for him by us and UM. Not only will rebuilding be harder than building, it will be much harder because ‘the process’ has arrived in Tallahassee.
by BenDNole on Nov 29, 2010 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
The whole process vs results things is so old and cliche
even Mystery used it in his last book. I would not be excited by what someone says, but rather by what they show. So far the show is good so lets get off the process quote.
tell that to Jimbo
besides, its not getting off the whole process quote, its the road you take to get to that point…
>>>─────;;─►
Let me process that and I will get back to you with my results.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Nov 29, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
made me laugh
Don't you know that any Southern Girl worth her salt is a football fan?
Moody certainly Kino Escalated ol' Jeff Demps.
Quite the DHV overall by Nick, if you ask me.
by The K-Man on Nov 29, 2010 10:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think in one of the post game interviews
meyer said something about working as hard as it takes, or 24-7 or something like that, to rebuild.
My first thought was: can he handle that, physically? Or will he drive himself out of the business b/c of health issues?
Don't forget, Urban has quit on every team he ever coached
This is his longest tenure, and he quit on them last year. Oh, and in the fourth quarter Saturday.
by jvnoledawg on Nov 29, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This was a comment by some gator on some message board after Meyer forgot to put the fg safe on vs Miles and LSU from 53 yards out.
Urban questioning the commitment of the players? Really a**hole? Says the motherf**ker who retired ten months ago?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Definitely a factor-NCAA football is VERY reliant upon excellent coaching
Much more so than the NFL
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Ehh...Coaching is huge in the NFL as well
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
exactly
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
less of a talent gap
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
Small rosters too!
You have to be good at talent evaluation.
Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl
Coaching when given a perfect team is not so important
Gruden
Gruden was given a Defense of a lifetime, but, as a Bucs fan, I assure you, the Offense stunk…he did some coaching here with the cheap-skate owners.
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
Not really.
It was was the 27th ranked rushing offense in the NFL that year.
There's another one: SMACK!
by Gator Slapper on Nov 29, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Guy had some pretty solid seasons before Gruden was his coach.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
yeah, but...
players are paid handsomely in the NFL. shouldn’t be too hard to motivate professionals….not the same in college. OH WAIT
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Only one, EVER, comes to mind.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Are you THE Mercury Morris?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Drogel, you must not watch pro football. It is more so than the NFL
While Florida and Texas, Boise State and TCU are showing recruiting is not everything, those are still a small sample of the whole landscape.
In the NFL the talent is much more equal on teams so coaching becomes even more important.
Just different
Probably about equally important at either level, but “good coaching” is different in college and pros. A big part of it in college is player development: turning raw talent into skilled players, turning average players into sold performers and turning good players into excellent players. With pro teams, it is mostly game strategy and schemes.
This is what i meant-Excellent coaching in regards to player development
NFL IS much more scheme- and adjustment-heavy, yes.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
No matter what side you take (college or pro)
Each side could argue with a ton of evidence. It’s important on both levels
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Urban
Honestly what has Urban proven to anyone? If people don’t realize that Dan Mullen was the one who got him the job at UF they are CRAZY. He was with him the entire time at BGU and Utah. He made UF what they were. He is gone and the gators are abysmal. Until they get a top notch OC don’t expect much from the gators. Remember Urban has never been an OC before.
Returning to Dominance... Sooner then later.
Not saying you're wrong, but most people give credit for the rings to the HC
And up until these past 2 years, everyone thought the system was Urban’s.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Up until a few hundred years ago, everyone thought the world was flat.
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by DRusso97 on Nov 29, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Something of an urban legend
Though word has it urban thinks that.
Question:
Would UF trade shoes with LSU right now? Trade the Hat for Urban (in the process getting a complete dunce, but getting rid of the 3-bow system), but having no up-and-coming rival in-state to deal with…. tough choice.
Who would have thought this to be a conundrum a few months ago?
Mullen was a HUGE part of the success
But you can’t ignore Charlie Strong. Those UF defenses over the past couple of years were just as important as the offense.
Also, Strong/Mullen don’t pull recruits by themselves…A team of Urban/Strong/Mullen, on the other hand makes for a very shrewd recruiting machine.
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by CornNole on Nov 29, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He is EXACTLY like Bobby B in that regard.
This quote from the Palm Bch Post could have been written about Bowden:
More tellingly, Florida looks totally clueless on both sides of the ball, with a head coach who is famed for his creativity suddenly bereft of ideas on how to change that.Meyer’s ambiguoos quote about “being tougher” is classic Bowden- long on apserations but short on details.
And no. I’m not talking about the Bobby of the last 10 years- I’m talking about Bobby as HC at all times. There’s a reason he was very mediocre at WVU. There’s a reason that almost as soon as George Henshaw left FSU, Bowden’s early success left too and from 1981-1986 he had the same kind of “success” he had at WVU. There’s a reason FSU’s offense changed significantly every time Bowden changed OC’s There’s a reason Bobby couldn’t begin to tell Jeff how to build an offense, even when his job was on the line.
And that’s the same reason Meyer is clueless how to fix things without someone like Dan Mullen: Like Bowden, Meyer has never been an OC. Bowden was a yeoman position coach with charisma who quickly rose to the top based more on personality than performance— like a funnier Dabo Swinney. He became HC based on perceived leadership qualities. Like Bowden, Meyer “coaches the coaches” in… something. And like Bowden, that is proving to be his downfall
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by PeachTreeNole on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I like this comment.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I think this is a lot of uninformed speculation and intuition,
but this IS a sports blog, so more power to ya.
by arrdub on Nov 29, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whatever.
It’s not speculation to note, however, that Bowden’s biggest abilities were (a) taking adavtage of UF’s then Miami’s recruting and bowl sanctions for the better part of 14 years, and (b) building the booster organizantion from scratch and keeping them entertained on the rubber chicken circuit. imho, that’s why Ann recently said the boosters “betrayed him” and Bobby felt he could “still do it”, because htat’s what “it” was to him.
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by PeachTreeNole on Nov 30, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
If he did "build the boosters"
That’s good work. We need to continue that and build it even bigger, though. (Not saying he should have stayed, just noting the importance of that work.)
Please explain the turnaround w/in 2 years of his hire, then.
Even if it was solely due to assembling a staff, he managed to surround himself with multiple different staffs of capable coaches/recruiters that took advantage of the breaks they were given, up until he was 70 years old.
I just think it’s a bit presumptive/revisionist history to attribute all of his successes – which were profound; perhaps unprecedented – to some mixture of blind luck and charisma. Especially given the long stretch of success, the assumption has to be that he had some positive traits driving it. If you’re going to argue against it, you better bring some hard data to rebut.
If you remove the 14-year effect of uf's and miami's sanctions, then you erase the ridiculous recruiting that led to the "Dynasty".
That is what was unprecedented. Without that, you get his record at WVU, and at FSU 81-85 and 2001- 2009. To what do I attribute his success from 76- 80? George Henshaw’s football knowledge and X&O’s ability. The NFL thought so too. I do give Bowden credit for hiring him, but I can’t quite crown Bobby a hiring mastermind in light of the next OC he hired, and his history of hiring yeoman like Brad Scott, Jimmy Heggins, Mark McHale, and many others.
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by PeachTreeNole on Nov 30, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
This misses the mark, IMO, and the reason is long and involved.
To some extent, you’re right: it’s not the surfer, it’s the wave. The sheer number of top quality football players to come out of Florida high schools in the last 35 years has made many a competent coach look great, and great coaches will look like legends. Bobby Bowden, along with Howard Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, the later UM coaches, Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer and now Jimbo Fisher have all ridden this wave to burnished reputations and even national titles in college football. This is all true. But don’t kid yourself: Urban Meyer and Bobby Bowden didn’t rise to the top because they were lucky and likeable. Both Meyer and Bowden are damn good coaches, and they have the rings and trophies to prove it.
There is more to being a head coach than just the players and the schemes on the field. There’s also the management aspect, and the HC’s decisions and personal standards set the tone of the program and estabish its direction. Often, these things are even more important than the players he recruits. If the methods and direction of the team are unsound, even the best players will not be able to rescue a program (See FSU: 2001-06), whereas an excellent program can take average players and make them excel (see FSU: 1976-80).
As any good manager knows, one of the first things you have to do is hire a staff that you can rely on to perform consistently. This is why Jimbo allotted more money for his assistant coaches than Bowden paid out: good reliable people cost more money, but they’re also the main difference between success and failure. Get good coaches who produce reliable results and all you have to do is keep them happy and supplied with the things they need in order for you to have success. And ultimately, THAT is the HC’s job.
It’s an axiom of the military that civilians talk tactics, while generals talk logistics. There’s a reason for this: if a general’s staff of captains are competent, his troops will already be trained in how to fight hard and well. It is thus the general’s job to make sure he keeps his army well-paid, well-fed, well-supplied, and well-armed, so that his they will have the best possible chance to fight and win the battles at hand. This is why I’m not too hard on Urban Meyer here. Whether he was an OC or not is really beside the point-it’s not his job to be the OC. He’s the HC, and he’s doing exactly what a HC is supposed to do in his situation: supplying his coaching staff with the best players that he can find who will fit his system’s requirements. That’s his end of the bargain, and he’s holding it up.
Where the breakdown in the Gators is happening is in the coaching staff. As Napoleon famously said: “There are no bad soldiers, only bad officers.” When whole positions full of players are not developing to fit the scheme at hand, it is the assistant coach(es) failing to train them properly that is the matter. It is the HC’s job to diagnose this and make the changes necessary to make his system function again. That’s Urban Meyer’s dilemma-will he act like a good manager and lose his friend, or will he act like a good friend and lose his management? These are critical decisions. They are also the hardest decisions any manager will ever have to make.
For decades, what marked Bobby Bowden’s success (and make no mistake-he was VERY successful) was his willingness to make those changes. And if you recall, what ultimately got Bobby Bowden fired was not his command of the offensive playbook but his management decisions. Specifically, Bowden’s pointed refusal to make changes to his coaching staff when the problems became obvious, because that would mean firing his own son. When that son was paid to leave the program, Bowden reacted by abandoning all personal oversight of the program entirely, another horrible decision that cost him two seasons’ worth of victories due to scandal, and ultimately his job.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I'm gonna have to REC this comment.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
yeah me too
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"You play to win the game (stupid)"- H. Edwards
"I didn't say you needed to BE better than everyone else, but you got to TRY, and that's what character is . . . it's in the trying."- Coach Eric Taylor
Agree with the officers, not soldiers, analogy.
I’m rec’ing your post too.
But in that same vein, generals know or should know which strategies are realistic, because they’ve risen through the ranks and know what tactics are possible to implement them. Hands-on experience is essential for generals to know in detail what their staff can and should be doing. Bowden and Meyer missed that experience. Therefore, their default reaction has been to blame the soldiers, not their officers. By contrast, Fisher is very hands on and knows the details of his coaches’ capabilities, because he’s been in their positions and knows what to expect from each of them. He obviously didn’t retain Bowden’s staff and blame our decline on the players’ talent and effort. He spends time with each unit in practice because he knows the details.
Look, I’ll happily admit I have less knowledge about the game of football than many, if not most, of the guys on this board. But by education and experience I do know a little something about organizational management. Assuming there is sufficient capital to prime the machine, success requires 3 things primarily: Preparation, Process and Personnel.
Preparation is the education and training of the personnel. In college football, much of that is done by the organization after the player arrives on campus.
Process is the organization’s way of doing things—its system of behavior, policies, procedures, rules, culture, beliefs, expectations, knowledge, etc.
Personnel is the most critical factor. Preparation and Process exist only to enable the Personnel to do their jobs. Without sufficiently talented Personnel, Preparation and Process are meaningless. The best Preparation and Process in the world will lead to only mediocre performance consistently if the people have mediocre talent. By contrast, the talent of exceptional Personnel may allow them to rise above poor Preparation or Process and perform at a stellar level on occasion, but not consistently. In other words, Preparation and Process supplement, but cannot substitute, for Personnel talent; nor can Personnel perform at a consistently high level without proper Preparation and Process.
In terms of the discussion at hand, CEO-type coaches like Bowden and Meyer don’t understand the details of the Preparation and Process necessary to fully utilize their player’s talent. Look at their focus on player talent and effort, and not on their programs’ preparation and process. Lack of discipline and poor technique, symptoms of poor Process and Preparation by their staffs, seem to mean little or nothing to them. To them, it’s all about player effort, intensity, and recruiting. That’s not strategy; it’s myopia based on ignorance.
Coaches like Fisher know that to fully utilize player talent, to enable them to perform at a high level consistently, he must get the Preparation and Process right. Unlike Meyer, he obsesses on the details of what his staff is implementing.
And that’s why I don’t think Meyer is going to be able to "rebuild" UF anytime soon.
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by PeachTreeNole on Nov 30, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
There are many successful head coaches
Who never played the game. Wisconsin annually has 1 NFL draftable player who is usually a bust, but they win lots of games. Personnel is over-rated.
"You play to win the game (stupid)"- H. Edwards
"I didn't say you needed to BE better than everyone else, but you got to TRY, and that's what character is . . . it's in the trying."- Coach Eric Taylor
by Ponder This on Nov 30, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Not today.
Ignorant CEO’s have succeded by delegating everything to good managers too. But if key managers leave, or the organization faces a crisis, such CEO’s are lost, and they often fail.
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by PeachTreeNole on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Personnel is over-rated?
Remember, NCAA good and NFL good are two totally different things.
Also, you have to take into account who teams are playing. if you only have 1 “NFL draftable player” but you’re playing 8-9 teams that don’t even have that you’ll probably win 8-9 games every year.
Wisconsin has anywhere from 5-7 guys on the roster right now that are likely to be drafted in April. There are more that aren’t draft eligble yet. They have talent.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 30, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
They beat miami last year
Because of better coaching. How many Wisconsin guys would make that roster? How many ucla or Taylor players would make the Texas roster? How many miss state players would make Florida team? Personnel is important but is over-rated. Would bama have recruited the Hback who burned their vaunted defense? Nope. You can have your rivals stars. I’ll take Mike Leach- a guy who never played college ball.
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by Ponder This on Nov 30, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree with personnel being overrated.
Miami has used this contention for the better part of a decade now, and look where it’s gotten them-they’re barely a bowl team.
Bud has covered this argument before in an excellent article. Long story short, there are lower-rated players who do pan out, but they pan out far less often than higher-rated players. Star rankings do matter.
Good coaching, good administration, and good personnel are the three legs of the stool that is a top program. Without any one of the three, the program can’t support itself and will fall.
Look at Notre Dame: They’ve got a great coach and can pull players from anywhere, but their administration’s insane. They’re barely a bowl team.
Look at Florida this year: Top-notch administration and awesome players, but their coaches didn’t develop anybody in 2 years. They’re barely a bowl team.
You need all three to excel.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I know you're not a fan of CEO-type HCs
And when teams have a down year, I agree that this particular style of running a program makes them look distant and bumbling. But one of the hallmarks of a good HC is to give his assistants the freedom to achieve or fail on their own merits. In the long run, that style will attract far more competent assistant coaches than it will repel. I expect Meyer will keep his word and give Addazio one more season to succeed or fail before his job is on the line.
Both Bowden and Meyer are far from inept. It takes more than you think to run a football program, and the CEO-type HC model has been proven effective for a HC who is a good judge of coaching talent.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
you mean, hiring good coaches,
as opposed to hiring family and friends while your rivals in the hottest recruiting bed in the nation flame out on recruiting consecutively due to NCAA sanctions, and then wondering where it all went wrong when said rivals climb back from usch sanctions?
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by PeachTreeNole on Nov 30, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yes I do.
Good hiring practice is just as important an aspect of management as anything else. Good assistants WILL get promoted; it is up to the competent manager to find suitable replacements for them. Bobby Bowden was great at that over his career, but the day he chose to subvert that in favor of family ties was the day he decided to not be a competent HC, and that’s what cost him his job.
Back to Urban Meyer. Promoting from within is much preferred than looking outside for talent for its ease of transition, maintenance of the culture, cost-effectiveness and rewarding of loyalty in the staff. That’s what Urban Meyer chose to do and it was a reasonable decision for him to make-it was just wrong in this case. But that happens. As far as mistakes go, it’s an honest one-he was wrong, not inept. As long as he sees his error and corrects it (by replacing Addazio and/or QB coach Azzani), he will be fine.
FWIW, this makes the achievements of people like Bowden and Paterno all the more impressive in my mind: they were able to sustain their success through numerous changes in coaches over multiple decades. Not that some decades and assistants weren’t better than others, but that they were nevertheless able to sustain a high level of success over a long period of time. That doesn’t happen by accident.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
the problem with a CEO HC is everybody wants to blame the guy at the top
if the HC is seen as a better version of the assistants he hires, then people think if things go south, it must be his fault, since he should have stepped in and fixed it. in reality, it is more of an issue of the assistant not doing his job properly. of course, hiring the assistant who failed falls on the HC, but the blame must be assigned properly.
it infuriates me when people want to get mad that something didnt happen, or happy it did, and credit the guy at the top, all the while ignoring who did the real work. like people who blame whoever the president is because they dont like a law that congress passed, or people who credit the president with somehow single-handedly saving the country if things go well. that’s not meant to be political, its just the sad truth that a figurehead is the simplest way to assign blame or credit.
things are never as good or as bad as they seem, and that goes for coaches as well. the hero isnt so perfect, and the idiot isnt always incompetent, its usually somewhere in the middle. one bad decision can mar a person’s image forever, like hiring your son who cant coach to be a coach, or hiring your OL coach to be the OC when he isnt any good at making or calling plays. CEO’s get paid the big bucks because, like a QB or HC, they get more blame than they deserve and more credit than they deserve, and it only takes one poor decision to ruin that person’s career. good reputations are built over time, but a bad one can happen in an instant.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
by nole07 on Nov 30, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This nails it-rec'd
CEO’s become a dirty word nowadays, but if you look at all the hassle they go through, it’s no wonder they get paid like they do.
It takes that level of pay to get primo people to want to come manage your unruly behemoth of an organization for an uncertain amount of time, and all the while being publicly held accountable for its success or failure by millions of uninformed people.
It’s a thankless job and often the money’s the only reward they will ever get.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
You see, I agree with what you're saying about the logistics of blame,
but wholeheartedly disagree about the assignment of responsibility from the outside perspective. The double-edged entitlement and responsibility of the CEO is precisely to be credited with all successes and simultaneously to assume blame for failures. The buck stops with the head guy; the crown is indeed heavy.
But I’ll bet you can’t find a single successful CEO that doesn’t entirely understand this dynamic and relish its assignment. Pushing blame is for ineffective bureaucrats. Assumiung responsibilities and fixing problems is the work of a true leader.
you missed my point
CEO’s get paid the big bucks because, like a QB or HC, they get more blame than they deserve and more credit than they deserve
they understand going into the job how the dynamic works, but that doesnt make it right, or correct, to blame the CEO when an assistant store manager gets arrested, just like it would be wrong to blame the HC for an assistant’s poor play calling. you blame him for the hire, and if he fires the guy and gets a better one he gets credit for it. but the individual choices of the assistant cannot and should not be applied to the highest man on the totem pole.
and i work at the bottom of my respective pole, so im not defending myself here. if i do something stupid at work, i should be blamed for my decision, not the CEO, just as he should be blamed if there is widespread fraud that he knows about. im not about blaming people for decisions that they did not make, only for the ones they did and how they respond to the poor decisions of those under their purview. in that vein, i dont blame bobby for jeff’s poor play calling, but i do blame him for not firing him when it was clear he was a bad OC. make sense?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Yes, I understand, but I think the micro-assignment of blame is ultimately pointless
It is the responsibility of the CEO if a subordinate fails at their assignment, because it was the CEO’s responsibility to choose the right individual for the position. There are varying levels of how egregious a hiring mistake might be (i.e., no background check for a childcare worker), but it the CEO moves forward with an individual that fails to perform their duties, he is responsible for their current failure as well as cleaning up the mess.
It’s multifaceted evaluation, but in Bowden’s case, for instance, you give him an F for hiring Jeff, an F for failing to replace him in a timely fashion after his failure was evident, but an A in his ultimate choice of replacement — with certain conditions in place. To that point, it think this actually coincides with Dogrel’s point about Bobby’s failure in placing familty ties over success. When favoring family over success was removed as an option (booster’s bought out Jeff), he actually reverted to making a sound decision for the OC. On the other side, his hand was not forced on the defensive personnel to place merit at least equal to comfortability, and ultimately that was the final straw in his ouster.
What a great discussion
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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If anything we're much closer.
We have coaching stability, an easier conference sched, and a white hot name in recruiting. UF has some serious work to do.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 29, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
He never has been the play caller.
Coach Mullens was his go to guy for most of his success. Him leaving was a huge hit.
Agreed
Meyer is in the process of being exposed. I’m waiting on him to announce his next 24 hour retirement any day now.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 29, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think that he probably wishes he did retire.
He decided to retire, but got talked out of it. I can only imagine his mind is filled with regret.
by IndyFSUnole on Nov 29, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Can you imagine his “legend” if he had retired, and uf then slipped to 7-5. Sure timmay would get a lot of credit, but the meyer love would be out of this world (it still is, mostly).
Funniest Urban Meyer in-game retirement tweet from Saturday:
@DRusso97
MEMO TO #URBAN #MEYER: no one will blame you if you resign during halftime to spend more time W/your family. U can return Monday.
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Looks like UF will also lose DL coach Dan McCarney to No. Texas tomorrow.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
You're right....they are FURTHER
They aren’t any closer to a national title than we are.
FSU will be a MNC contender in 2012…..at the latest.
FU will be an Outback Bowl contender in 2012….
CUM will be a contender to lie about his missing colostumy bag to recruits in 2012…..because Jimbo will take it & bury it in the sod cemetary along with the grass from BHGS
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Also note-Rodney Hudson has just been named to the 2010 FBS Coaches All-American Team
Official Release Here
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by Dogrel on Nov 29, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Time to seal up his locker and retire his number
Hudson has been an absolute beast on the line and the anchor of our offense.
FSU wouldn’t have been anywhere near as good of a team without him starting these last few seasons.
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by Dogrel on Nov 29, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Was he 1st Team All American last year as well?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Nov 29, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
yes.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
in the link above, he is not listed as a repeat winner. they have an asterisk next to LB greg jones listing him as such
noles, marlins, phins
by NorthernHaze on Nov 29, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm Ok.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
from rod hud bio
2009: Winner of the ACC Jacobs Blocking Award as the league’s most dominant offensive lineman…earned FWAA All-American honors and was second team Associated Press All-American…
Wikipedia is telling me you need to be named to a majority of these organizations AA teams to be considered consensus:
AP, AFCA, FWAA, Sporting News, and the WCFF
The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.
Right
so not consensus. Was also freshman all american with FWAA. Maybe consensus this year? Who knows. Either way, seal the locker.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
don't disagree
he was unreal and surprisingly underrated…
just trying to figure out if he meets the mandatory criteria…
The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.
yeah true.
All I know is two time all american. Don’t know if consensus is required or not.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I believeI remember it being
2 years consensus AA when they sealed off Alex Barron’s locker. Shame because Hudson >>>> Barron
Don't think that's fair to say.
Our OL coach was apparently criticized for not teaching good technique back then, despite putting guys into the NFL regularly on talent alone.
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I was just about to say
looks like no one will be wearing 62 again for a long time.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Should seal his locker.
that is the tradition now.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
We
havent retired a Number in a long time. But we do have several that are.
Think atm the only retired Numbers are;
- Deion Sanders
- Ron Simmons (remember Buster Davis getting permission by Ron to wear the #50 Jersey on his Senior Day)
- Charlie Ward
- Fred Biletnikoff
- Ron Sellers (Sellers gave permission for Ernie Sims to wear the Number during his career at FSU.)
The three retired Jerseys with the Number still available;
- Chris Weinke
- Warrick Dunn
- Derrick Brooks (recently added, number may be retired after current season is over..not sure)
Bah
it screwed up my format and didnt post the jersey numbers in the post above
but retired numbers are : 2 (Sanders), 17(Ward), 25(Biletnikoff), 34 (Sellers) and 50 (Simmons)
Retired Jerseys are: 16 (Weinke), 28 (Dunn) and 10 (Brooks)
Our streak of 1?
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 29, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know exactly how long the streak is
But it’s quite a few years. Last year P.Rob went as the last pick in the first round to the Saints. People were making a big deal out of it because it continued the streak.
Not sure what you're thinking
But P.Rob was our first 1st rounder since Lawrence Timmons in 2007. We had E.Brown go in the 2nd in 2009 and 2008 Andre Fluellen was our highest guy in the 3rd round.
My bad. Maybe they were talking about FSU's continued streak of drafted players.
Sorry, should have looked it up first.
Yes
Now we can project the streak going to 2
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-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
It's a good thing they faked that punt
Would have looked worse for them if Rodney scores from 70 out.
We didnt beat them because of turnovers. We beat them because we dominated. It’ll show in the ypp.
by BenDNole on Nov 29, 2010 11:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The turnovers were a product of a better prepared team IMO.
It speaks to why we dominated. The UF staff was clueless and incapable of adjusting and ours knew what they would try to do before they did it. Once we got rolling, it was ballgame.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 29, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that we won the turnover battle
because we prepared better. But I think our preparation only caused the interception, not three fumbles. Can’t prepare for their guys to cough up the ball and have XR27 be a fumble magnent.
My point was that we won because of superior play, not because of turnovers. The turnovers cause the game to be over in the third quarter, but I don’t think that we lose without the turnovers.
by BenDNole on Nov 29, 2010 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Three qbs
I don’t recall ever seeing a football game in which three qbs were used without one of them getting hurt. Some of those fumbles were caused because none of the qbs were ever given the time to get into any sort of rhythm. They were confused, they were thinking too much instead of reacting, and their minds were not on ball security.
by Todd F Packer on Nov 29, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I know it is not what you meant, but FTR, we gave QB Reed a concussion.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Well, Tim Tebow was Superman
Does this make Reed Batman?
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-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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Yea.
Reed got a concussion, so one definitely got hurt.
The Swami has spoken.
by seminole_swami on Nov 29, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
In any case
They used all three before Reed got hurt, so I think his point was, they used 3 QBs consistently even when they weren’t forced to by injuries.
QBs In That They Took Snaps Only...
A great quote from the last linked article above: “Meyer…flipped through every page of his coaching memory, most notably the last-resort Pee Wee football standby of snap it to the big kid and see if he can run over some people.”
Love it.
by MU Seminole on Nov 29, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still don't get the rationale for using all 3....
My best guess is:
A). Burton can read defenses, but can’t throw
2). Reed can run, maybe pass a little, but can’t read defenses
D). Brantley = ??
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Brantley
If he went to any other major college program he is starting and doing well. Kid won National Gatorade Player of the Year. He has special talent just in he wrong scheme for him. But hey if it means we win. Keep it up!
Returning to Dominance... Sooner then later.
What it looked like to me
It looked like the staff was taking turns calling “their plays” with “their players.”
I can hear ‘em now, "it’s my turn, it’s my turn. Reed, get in there and run that QB sweep again."
“Brantley, go throw the ball to the other team.”
“Burton, go out there and…and…and…well, just get your ass out there.”
Notice, each of them had a turnover, so it turned out fair. And one to grow on from Mr. Texty himself, Rainman.
by Sobering on Nov 29, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Brantley, go throw the ball to the other team"
lol, so funny cause it’s true.
Obviously, we hope they never figure this out but, they should go with Reed until this Driskell kid is ready
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I AM LAUGHING WITH TEARS FALLING
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I know you're making a joke
A good one too, but I pointed that out to all the Gators I was watching with. If your job is to throw the ball as the throwing QB and you get in there once every 3 or 4 plays and the D knows you are going to throw the ball and you don’t really scramble (cause that is in the other guy’s job description), you are being setup to fail and force bad passes.
Coaches are supposed to put you in a position to succeed. Addazio handcuffs Brantley and isn’t developing his decision making at all.
Gators are all talking about Driskel (or however you spell his name), why on earth would that guy go there? Like fine, don’t go to FSU, but anywhere else would be better than UF, there is still time to change your mind kid.
by vanillathrilla83 on Nov 29, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
He's apparently really close with qb coach Loeffler(sp?).
Bought into the whole “we’ll change the system to fit Brantley thing”. Guess he’s not too bright if he thinks that’ll ever happen.
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The Gators will try to maintain their high level of play as they embark on the post-Tim Tebow era. John Brantley becomes the starting quarterback and he’s a better passer than Tebow, but there is no replacing Tebow’s leadership ability. The schedule, which features seven home games, is favorable, but there are troublesome road games against Alabama (Oct. 2) and Florida State (Nov. 27). Florida is favored to win the East Division of the Southeastern Conference, but after going 26-2 the past two seasons, an unexpected loss could turn 2010 into the ultimate test of character for Urban Meyer’s team.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
"A STRONG FOUNDATION". nice choice of ironic words.
Second choice was, “MULLEN OVER OUR OPTIONS AT QB”
by The K-Man on Nov 29, 2010 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
"AN unexpected loss"
Love the shattered optimism.
Right
And none of them were very effective. When they had Leak and Tebow they had two but both were effective at different things. Leak was the starter and Tebow came in to do things that Leak couldn’t so it worked. It has to be difficult to come in cold off the bench and try to lead a team when nothing that you’ve been doing has worked.
by Todd F Packer on Nov 29, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ominous Parallel for UF
Did you notice that Addazio was using Brantley the same way Jeff Bowden used to use X Lee: obvious passing situations late in the game to try to pull their butts out of the fire?
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uf-related thought
Might it be best for us if uf makes some obvious tweaks, plays a strong game in their bowl, putting up some good offensive numbers?
Perhaps that would pacify certain fans, and the coaching staff (with a new DL guy, of course) might remain intact? If the bowl ended up being smoke and mirrors, they could be in for another bad year…
I think you're right. We need UF to dominate the Bowl game to keep status quo
If they smoke whoever they face, the Gators wil be mollified a bit and might be able to write off this FSU loss as a one-time fluke.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Sorry Invictus, I can't agree.
I want them to be embarrassed and humiliated and wind up 7-6 and let the chips fall where they may.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Same thoughts. Hope they lose to some 7th place Big Ten team or some 3rd place MAC/C-USA team.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
I definitely understand your thinking
It’s my natural inclination, too. But, if they win, I’ll think of the above stuff as my silver lining…
I may be mistaken
But weren’t they already playing 3 before Reed got knocked out? Either way that was a ridiculous way to try to run an offense. I can’t see why any offensive recruit would want to play in that situation.
by Todd F Packer on Nov 29, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we lose without the TOs either
But I do think the fact we were around the ball one every play is a testament to that preparedness. You’ll never be in a position to make a positive play if you’re running around like a headless chicken (or Urban after a kick return). XR27 being there wasn’t lucky IMO. The ball bouncing to him was.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 29, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
If this had been last year
the gators would have recovered the fumbles because our defensive backs would have been chasing receivers with their backs to the ball.
by TonySopraNOLE on Nov 29, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
"you can be relevant nationally without winning your conference."
To paraphrase Stewie Griffin, clearly you and I differ greatly in our definition of relevant.
Any reliable info on Gruden to UM rumors?
Still don’t know how UM could afford the $$ that’s being thrown around … and if they can, why in the world have they been sitting on their $$ for the last decade?
Not happening
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hope not ...
Would hate the see the excitement coming out of S. Florida with that hire … announcement alone would probably pull kids they wouldn’t otherwise get.
He wouldn't be able to develop them anyway
He couldn’t develop NFL talent, what makes anyone think he’s gonna develop college kids? Great X and O’s guy, terrible at player development.
There's another one: SMACK!
by Gator Slapper on Nov 29, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I heard UM offered 3mil
and he countered with 3.4. Supposedly they have had a slush fund saved for a new coach for a while now. (per UM fan brother in law)
by dale gribble on Nov 29, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Miami Herald reporter Manny Navarro
ealier tweeted that Gruden had agreed to a contract that was going to pay him 3.4 million dollars a year.
Wishful thinking on Mr. Navarro’s part. Apparently wrong. Looks like my BIL is a bit slow. Sorry for posting what he told me without looking it up first. Won’t happen again.
by dale gribble on Nov 29, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet name
-Randy Shackelford
by Gulfport Nole on Nov 29, 2010 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He qualified it with "trying very hard to verify".
Something like that. Guy posted it as fact and then put that at the tail end.
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Don't believe this honestly
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't either
This elbow is a bigger issue than it’s been made IMO. Every time it swells up, it makes that bursa tissue “tougher” (less pliable) from what I can understand. If he has to have it completely removed, then it could really affect the way he throws.
I hope I am wrong. Really want CP7 to be successful at the next level.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
I just hope he isn't costing himself millions at our expense
End of the day the win feels great yesterday and it’s impact cannot be understated but he deserves his shot in the NFL.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Absolutely hope he gets his shot, but...
He’s one we don’t have to worry about. He can make millions with his brain also.
if the nfl doesn't work out after a couple years
he could come back and be jimbo’s qb coach while finishing his 2nd Master’s.
Arms better than it was, swelling at the beggining of the game and after
needle drained it.
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TD to willie, arm got hit, and last play he was in
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Hoping that after the VA Tech game that he'll heal finally.
Touchdown to Willie irritated his elbow.
And not the vicious hit he took on the right arm on his last drive?
Don’t buy it. He’s hurt much worse then he’s letting on.
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
Yea
Saw that hit and he got up holding it.
Ponder had his arm drained again
in good spirits surprisingly ;-)
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 29, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions
Not sure about practicing in the future
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Ya know....
Florida’s football team reminds me of UNC’s basketball team after their last national championship in ’08…
For instance…UNC’s basketball team was plenty talented last year…but had absolutely NO chemistry whatsoever…and lost…alot….they year they brought in the #1 player over all(Harrison Barnes) and 2 other HIGHLY coveted recruits…yet the team is performing similar to last year’s team….and yet UNC is bringing in another top class next year….and they still won’t contend for a national championship(granted that whole process is different than football)….but you get the picture…
So that tells me that Florida has another 3 years at least before they will somewhat contend again….if not longer….
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(Ponder), whole atmosphere was as exciting since he's been here. louder than ever been apart of. Perfect night.
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Best atmosphere he's been to at FSU
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 29, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Meter's press conference
Indicates flawed reasoning. 5 times he stated we need to recruit stronger. Recruiting is not the problem. It is lack of coaching. His team is undisciplined and without idenity because of him. He is not a football coach but a mere recruiter.
by ben rust on Nov 29, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
But that's who he is.
Under the Meyer/Mullen system, that was Urban’s job-bring in the recruits, plug them into the system, and let the OC develop them.
He’s still trying to do this with Addazio and hasn’t taken stock of his program to find otu that it’s not working anymore. Development and playcalling are NOT SA’s strengths
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Any "CEO-type" HC whose careers have relied on delegating everything to assistants to perform the substantive work
of, creating and installing a system, and teaching the players the details of technique and scheme, is a HC who won’t really understand what goes wrong when said asisstants leave and the program declines, so he will inevitably blame that decline on player talent or effort. Meyer is the reincarnation of Bobby Bowden, sans the sense of humor.
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by PeachTreeNole on Nov 29, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Is it a fluke season? Ponder don't know.
Back to competing at a high level. Want to get to NC level.
Doubt it. Ponder's awesome, but EJ's just as good and most of the line's back next year
Difference between us and UF is that our program is functioning.
BTW, I never thought I’d get the chance to say that about an Urban Meyer-coached Gator team…
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"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Is FSU back? Uh, Everyones going to keep asking that question. We're going down that road. Not there yet, finish season on high note.
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Talented young team, laying a foundation. FSU will only get better, in good hands.
WRs ran great routs, had right attitude
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Receivers used technique to get open and were determined to win 1-on-1 matchups
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Rodney's double move on M. Jenkins is what sprung him for the wide-open 39 yarder
Thanks to the multiple slant playcalls prior. Good job, Jimbo.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
rodney ran a great route as well
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
Ya I watched him the whole way
I don’t know why, I wasn’t exactly expecting a double move, I just figured Jimbo would go for the throat there and it wouldn’t be against Jenkins (who would later bite on a pump fake and leave Beau wide open).
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
On the replay it really showed,
for a guy his size to be able to sell the route like that…you can see why Jimbo says he will play on Sundays
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
"I just figured Jimbo would go for the throat there"
HOW awesome does it feel to finally have a coach like that?
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
VERY AWESOME
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
if you have a chance, go back and watch the incomplete to Rodney on deep comeback where he slips and falls.
The DB, I think it was #36 again, is so scared after getting toasted that runs himself like 20 yards past where Rodney was supposed to settle down. It looked unreal from my vantage point.
by The K-Man on Nov 29, 2010 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
will do
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
Also
The young receivers like Smith and Haulstead seem to be playing at a much higher level as the season winds down. Excited to see what those two are able to do next season. This group as a whole should be much better next year.
by Todd F Packer on Nov 29, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
"Foundation"
I said before, this reminds me when Carson Palmer left USC, he struggled for three years but left the program in much better shape. This could be the beginning of another great run for FSU.
on penalties and on scoring TD instead of field goals:
Biggest focus, no penalties and no turnovers
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-Switchfoot
on taking on VT:
a tough challange, need to have good preparation. Referenced how UF was a good defense too, lots of laughter.
Prepare like we did last week, expect tough game.
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top 10
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 29, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
10
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
HD wants to marry him?
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
She will have to get in line behind every female in my family
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
on taking on VT
going to help to have some players on the team who went up against VT 2 years ago. VT is a good team, but we’ve been there before (beaming with confidence right now).
Would be huge to bring home ACC title.
Nice to extend career at FSU for another game.
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Hudson, dependable, good instincts
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that first ACCCG was a loooonnnnnngggg time ago.
So long ago, Matt Dunham was barely old enough to buy beer….
by The K-Man on Nov 29, 2010 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
2005 ACC champ game: Did you see that game?
remembers it, special teams won the game.
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-Switchfoot
Not really - Defense played crazy for 3 quarters
Then Vick started making some things happen. ST sealed it, though, for sure.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I'll never forget that game.
Came in as a freshman in ’01 to witness the start of the lost decade. Graduated in Spring of ’05. What happens? We beat UM and VT in the ACCCG as soon as I leave. SMH.
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I really thought
that game was hilarious in that we beat VT twice (2000 BSC NC game and 2005 ACC CG), both ran by Vick QBs and with special teams being the pivotal force in winning. In the 2000 Sugar Bowl, Mike Vick mounted a comeback leading 29-28 and it was Peter Warrick’s simply outrageous punt return for a TD that put the game back in our control. In the 2005 ACC CG game against Marcus Vick, it was our special teams that took the air out of them again.
I like how those games occurred in 5 year intervals
No Vick, no problem. TT has little VIck’s number and he can run, so he’s a nice fill-in. All we need is G5 to break one and the circle (or triangle in this case) will be complete.
Tell em FSU is coming and hell is coming with us!
by Jamil Dawson on Nov 30, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Point during season where mindset shifted?
Saw changed throughout the season, players buy in little by little. Hard at times. Hard to practice hard day in and day out. Guys stepped up and its payed off.
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I say aftermath of UM game
First tangible results against an in-state rival. We utterly destroyed them.
Everyone in the program could point to that victory as the first real fruits of Jimbo’s methods.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Watch any film on VT?
No not untill 3 pm
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Who are the "14 really key contributors" from that list?
Or more importantly, what do you call a key contribution? Ugh, what an awful game. Just goes to show you, that all of the talent in the world is irrelevant if you can’t coach em. Ironically, the program that probably best understands our current predicament is….FSU. Florida obviously didn’t have the length of success that FSU enjoyed, but the end result was about the same…2 national titles, and a ton of really good coaches leaving the program for better jobs. You guys lost Richt, D’Amato, and some others, and replaced them with Jeff Bowden etc. We’ve lost Mullen, Strong, Gonzalez, etc and replaced them Steve Addazzio.
I know a lot of us think that firing Addazzio will fix things, and it will certainly help, but it’s far from a silver bullet. This team reminds me of the Gators basketball teams following the back to back titles. They seem to think that winning is expected, and their right, and don’t realize that you have to earn it. I’ve never seen a Florida team that was so uninspired. Anyway, congrats guys…I hope next year will be a much better game.
Well there are like 9 starters on there if I'm not mistaken
That’s pretty key.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I guess...
but like I said, it depends on your definition of key contributions. If starting is defined as that, then I suppose that’s a lengthy list. Of that list, there are only a couple of guys that make me upset at that departure. Black, Jenkins, maybe Carl Moore or Hill. Most of those guys have been underwhelming this year. Hill came up big against UGA, but has also had multiple missteps this year leading to big plays. Moore, I think could’ve been very solid, but had the misfortune of playing in Florida’s offense.
Pouncey
He’s going to probably play on Sundays, that’s a tough guy to replace. Trattou was garbage but there’s a reason he was starting. I was shocked to learn you guys moved Powell to SLB.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Pouncey would have been tough to replace
had he been playing the right position. It’s really too bad, because he’s an excellent guard, that was forced to play center. Trattou and Lemmens were both incredibly mediocre. After having the DEs that we’ve had in recent history, my Lord were those guys awful to watch. The Powell to SLB, I don’t think is a permanent move, but it might be. I was just glad that they got him more involved. I really hope he moves back to DE, but it could be a size/strength issue at this point. For most of the guys on that list, it’s not that they aren’t solid players, it’s that they were used incorrectly. Demps being forced to run dive plays, Moore never seeing a ball come his way, Hill just being lazy etc etc…At this point, like I said, Black and Jenkins are the only ones I’m going to really miss…
My UF friend told me...
that Pouncey asked Urban to be moved to center because offensive lineman that play center are typically drafted higher? Is this not true?
If it is
I hadn’t heard about it. That of course should provide no indication of whether or not it’s true. I’m not exactly an “insider”….Even though I think Urban should call me from time to time, my phone continues to be silent.
Not true
Left tackle’s get drafted number 1 overall some years. No center has ever been in the top 10 to my knowledge.
He's not projected at tackle.
The comparison is between guard and center.
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
Ah I see what you mean.
In either case it seems that OG and OC are valued the same. If you are elite at either you will be in the first round.
I think it may have been more about projecting which position he'd play in the NFL.
And wanting to do it his senior year for scouts.
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Shawn has a good leg, talks about rugby style punting, doing heck of a job.
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I would imagine so, especially if we are able to beat a team such as Stanford which is projected to the OB. A win at the OB would be nice..maybe start calling it Doak South.
However, it doesn’t matter to me…as long as we keep “the process” going.
For some reason I remember reading Hudson will be back next year as a 5th year senior. Is this true? Why would he decide to do this?
FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST.
A) The sun has come out again. The Earth is back on its axis. The wicked witch of the East is dead. Finally my 12 year-old boy can watch the Gators go down to FSU and remember it. Finally I can enjoy the denouement of a Thanksgiving holiday.
2) So happy to see this article come out today, as I feel guilty wasting time at work re-reading the same milquetoast articles from inferior sources like the AP, but don’t feel so guilty when there’s new, pithy content on this site.
D) A question for everyone: Article 1 says: “Reed left the game with a concussion and was still outside the locker room vomiting an hour after the game.”
Why is Reed vomiting outside the locker room? Possible explanations:
a) Meyer was already occupying the Gator bathroom for his own vomit-fest.
ii) Meyer had locked the players out in order to cry alone.
d) Reed was actually fine, until he walked into the locker room and surprised Meyer with “honoring” his new Fathead of Tim Tebow.
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sorry guys, my computer crapped out for the rest of his interview. Ill do some of Jimbo's but don't know how long I can go with it.
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Man... nothing like busy season being over, FSU besting Florida, and watching these interviews during an actual lunch hour. Today life is good.
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
Really gonna miss Ponder.
I wouldn’t mind him joining my Raiders in the NFL. McFadden, Ford, and our other talents.
by Mateo9399 on Nov 29, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
GOD I HOPE NOT
thats not a recipe for any QB to succeed, no matter the talent. i would, however, love to see them pick Locker because he’s the fastest QB available, only to see that their fast QB can’t hit their fast WR who can’t catch
Someone run down and knock on the film room door
and tell Jimbo some of us have a limited lunch break.
Is anyone else having trouble posting on the site in the last 10 min or so?
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-Switchfoot
Is anyone else having problems with double postings?
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
Is anyone else having trouble posting on the site in the last 10 min or so?
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
Is anyone else having problems with double postings?
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
My connection seems to be spotty so someone might need to jump in if it seems like theres a lag in posts. Posting ability is unpredictable.
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-Switchfoot
Will *not play
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 29, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Lonnie as back, dunham at FB possibility
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
The last few games he has really impressed me with his running :)
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
definitely...
he’s getting the ball at key moments in down and distance..and he’s taking advantage as well
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Including the 3 guys transferring, I believe.
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Tough schedule with having to play teams like florida out of conference.
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Thomas out, jones unlikely, Thompson questionable
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Wow --
thought with a stable of 3 RB wouldn’t be an issue this year.
good thing we fix that next year lol
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 29, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I know Thompson said on his FB Sun morning that he couldn't sleep because of how sore he was
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
He took an absolute pounding.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
He's a RB
It’s in the job description.
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
Also in the olinemans
job description to give him at least a LITTLE room to work with…that didn’t always happen and he paid the price.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 29, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
He really did,
especially at the end of the game. Him and Ponder both
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
Debrale needs to get ready.
Thinks we need to move up Florida game, because it’s before a championship game. Team has practiced great all year.
Thomas out, jones unlikely, Thompson questionable
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In worst case scenario, Pryor starts, backed by Smiley?
noles, marlins, phins
by NorthernHaze on Nov 29, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Would love to see Pryor get more carries and really shine....
BUT his blocking is sooo much better. Really hope Smiley is ready. What about Smiley running and Pryor blocking?
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
nah, thats backwards
smiley is so much bigger than lonnie, it would be like putting an OL at RB but the FB staying at FB… ideally, you want your bigger guy to move the pile first, so the smaller guy can run through it.
I disagree, Pryor is a better blocker than Smiley is
while he doesn’t move the pile necessarily, Pryor’s value is in how devastating his cut blocking ability is. He just puts people on the ground.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
by RollNole5 on Nov 29, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i know hes the better blocker
but you want a bigger guy making a hole for a smaller, quicker guy, no? at the very least, smiley can open a bigger hole than lonnie can up the middle.
In a perfect world, I agree w/nole07....
but in this case, Smiley is such a wildcard. There’s gotta be a reason he’s hasn’t been playing, right?
Plus, IMO LP24 has got to know soo much of the offense solely based on the fact he does so much blocking/passing support and occasional running. He’s like a pulling guard that also runs the ball. Y’all think Smiley is comfortable w/all aspects of the playbook?
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Also, you gotta wonder...
why Jimbo didn’t just go w/Debrale Saturday…CT23 was out there all 2nd half up 3 scores
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely this
The fullback, especially in Jimbo’s offense, has to understand the offense a whole lot better and have a huge range of skills: quick handoffs, blitz pickups, taking a checkdown.
Debrale Smiley is young, raw. Lonnie Pryor is a frosh but he’s smart and obviously an amazing piece of offensive equipment. Pryor would be just as good, if not better, at halfback but he’s too valuable at fullback.
If anything, let smiley pound it for a bit at HB, let some of the Jokies try to tackle him.
With Lonnie you have a better chance of everyone making their block,
and then you have Debrale 1-on-1 with a safety or whoever to runover, and I like those odds.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
Rec'd for proper recognition of The Machine.
Pryor’s value is in how devastating his cut blocking ability is. He just puts people on the ground.
Never seen a guy systematically blow people’s legs up like Pryor. DLs, LBs, DBs, doesn’t matter – fire and forget; they’re gone. (Hope he’s OK with me re-naming him from “the Future” to “the Machine.”)
Haha thanks.
Its always right in the thighpad and the guy does just get his legs blown out from under him. Never misses one it seems. I think Brian Wilson has “The Machine” name locked up (quite possible the actual guy too).
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
I really think if Smiley were that good at this point in time he'd have seen more than a handful of snaps by now.
Give me Dunham blocking for Pryor.
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Ran the ball effectively************* , not a lot but did it well when we needed to.
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Short yardage, red zone, goal line, and 4-minute oiffense. That’s when running matters.
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WR Ran routs the right way, 3 steps 3 steps corner, Reid ran route too quick
(maybe why fisher was holding 3 fingers at Reed at that miss early in the game)
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Rodney ran a 3-1 not a 3-3
Bert ran 6 steps not 8
Bert messed up jailbreak screen.
Tai was supposed to run a 5-step he ran a 3
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"bert and taiwan are slot guys" they can't play outside much.
Haulstead & Smith had to learn details. They are our outside guys.
Finally learning spacing, alignment, and steps
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you could tell how in sync they were this game,
bert and taiwan being able to be in the slot again helped them immensely too. They are great in the slot.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
i seem to remember a fanpost about this exact thing weeks ago
if only i could remember who posted that…
oh, right, it was me. and now that we see the result of at least average outside receivers, the passing game works much better. i can honestly say in this situation, man, it feels good to be right, because it means on the field success for my team. true definition of a win-win
Get to where you're supposed to be...
AND Ponder will get you the ball. Said it all year. with the told ya so look on his face
Wasn't attitude or effort from wideouts, just ability to develop
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"not frustrated, it's just what bert and tai are. Physically they are slot guys."
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Man can't wait to we develop
I think we all know what he meant by maturity. This team needed to grow.
He knows the difference between a team and a program
we have a good team, but we need to continue to build the program
"Kill a fly with an axe"
we're a team, a program is sustained over time. we gotta keep developing the program
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oh ok, harris
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 29, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
imagine
when he gets a spring under his belt
by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 29, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
eh, not necessary
a season of practice and game experience, i think, is far more valuable than spring practice
praise for jenije, bright, and harris' INT. utmost respect for Jenije, will be successful
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at being a person
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 29, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
well spoken kid, by all accounts he's very intelligent
so i would assume he means success in whatever he ends up pursuing, outside of football
Good guy, obviously
Have to say for Jenije, he kept his head up and instead of tanking after losing starting job has made some big contributions as special teams player. He deserves a lot of credit.
FSU won field position war as it did against Miami
did not win them against NC State and UNC
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3 punts inside the 10 yard line, tremendous
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3 punts inside the 10 yard line, tremendous
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Nicks growth as a player from recognition has allowed him to make those hits.
He’ll lay the wood on you.
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Moody's growth as a player allows him to corral small guys in space and get hits
before he was out of position and trapped in space.
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Zone defense has accomplished our goal of not allowing the big plays
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The gator commentator on the SunSports replay tried to downplay that Moody hit...
He implied that because Demps was in the air, and his body went with the flow of the hit, then it wasn’t really as bad as it looked.
tell that to the paint chips on the ground
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 29, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
And the mouth piece that flew 5 yards.
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
I asked this in another thread?
The “Breakfast with the Gators” replay is in high quality HD. The “Primetime Noles” is not. They must have better cameras in gainesville, because the replay during the gator timeslot this time was not the good HD feed.
I loved how he started complaining about the ACC officiating
And Keith Jones essentially said “It’s one game…we deal with it all year…get over it”.
Nat Moore is a........... wimp....heard that last night
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Mike Harris reminds Fisher of Randal Gay
From LSU (now with patriots)
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Fisher said the patriots score points out the ying-yang
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By being situationally smart
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He really said "out the ying-yang"?
That’s hilarious!
Florida State 45 Miami 17
Florida State 31 Florida 7
State Champions
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by SeminoleMike on Nov 29, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Made me laugh.
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 29, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Fisher going off on wideouts again and oline again
saying everyone just looks at QB when usually mistake is one of other 10 players.
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Rodney Hudson loves football.
First guy to go practice defense for 2nd stringers. Kid’s work ethic is unbelievable.
I like the play of Parks this year
I know some didn’t like him, but I thought he played pretty good.
I've really loved Parks
Think he’ll make a more than serviceable senior starter next year.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
longest presser ever
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by freshcollegeboy on Nov 29, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions
Yea the reporters keep asking reallllllly open ended questions
they’re like “coach, rodney hudson. discuss”
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by SteadfastNole on Nov 29, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fisher loved Xavier Rhodes because it was Dwayne Bowe's old HS
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Fisher says BJ not a burner but has great balance and explosion.
Size gains were key
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TWSS
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
by SoCalNole on Nov 29, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tried to resist
but the BJ reference would not be denied
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
by SoCalNole on Nov 29, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It looks like Ponder can't practice for a while with a bad arm and all three running backs could be out. Are we going to just punt on first down???
This does not look good for the VT game. We are actually on our 5th string RB if you count Pressley
I think Thompson plays
Ponder will as well I assume. But yes, we are quite thin.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Debrale Smiley
Would be a good change of pace for any team we face. I only saw him in mop up (against Virginia I believe). However, he runs hard and is a north/south type of guy. I would love to see him get some carries if he is ready.
Agreeed - but he is 5th string (6th?) for a reason
I like Lonnie and Debrale – but they can’t do what the first three guys can do. Truthfully – I am much more worried about a rusty Ponder than our RB situation. But maybe he wasn’t that rusty against Maryland and it was protection and WR issues….which were clearly solved for UF
If we are to believe Jimbo- that is what it was…and as much as you want to believe him – there are clearly times when he “controls information” when he deems it in his or the teams interest to do so. I am referring mostly to injury and disipline issues.
I'm a lot more worried about not having any RBs available except Lonnie and Debrale than I am about Ponder.
If we resort to using guys like Taiwan and maybe even Greg Reid out of running formations because our primary RBs are all out, that won’t be very pretty against VT’s defense.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Nov 29, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Can't say I wouldn't be excited to see GR5 back there.
(Not considering the blocking atrocities that might occur…)
Yeah, Greg Reid trying to block would be a nightmare of sorts.
I would think that if this hypothetical depth chart shuffle did take place, the coaches wouldn’t leave him with that sort of responsibility though.
And of course, I also have visions of Reid dancing or trying to do much and getting the ball punched out, something that VT’s defense would be very quick to do if given the slightest opportunity.
So let’s hope it doesn’t come to anything like that.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Nov 29, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I wanna see more of him at Wildcat.
We got what, one run from that formation this whole year?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
although it'd be fun to watch
if our offense is running smoothly during the game, I say don’t mess with it. If we need a jump start (something that a certain someone thinks a poorly timed fake punt could do) then I’m for it.
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VT
Can anyone please tell me what kind of scheme VT uses on defense? Would appreciate the feedback.
Returning to Dominance... Sooner then later.
Haven't checked but I gotta think Shakin the Southland has an article on this.
I’ll look
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At its base? A 4-3 scheme.
But Bud Foster likes to change up their looks a lot. They run a lot of Cover 4 and like to keep a bunch of DBs and LBs on the field for blitzing. Foster actually spent a lot of time with Gregg Williams this past summer and traded defensive notes.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Nov 29, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'd obviously love to win the conference
But those Orange Bowl matchups are garbage. So sick of WVU. UConn is couldn’t be more lame. Stanford would be interesting but they would probably beat us. I live in Atlanta so selfishly I’d like to see us in the ChickFilA against an SEC club.
by Dent Street Nole on Nov 29, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions
Agree that Big East matchups are awful.
I think we’d give Stanford a game. DL would have time to get healed up.
Yea
I’d prefer a highly ranked team over a BE team…but it all boils down to money….and WVU travels well…so there you go IF that pans out…and we’d beat them again….so we’d at least have 10 wins this year…can’t be mad with that.
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Meh
I’ll take a BCS game against UConn. We should beat them, and then we’d be 11-3, ACC Champs (since we’d have to beat VT first to get there), winner of a BCS bowl, and would have crushed UM and uf in the same season… heck, we’d probably finish around #12-13, right?
That’s a heckuva first season under Jimbo, and we’d wrap it all up with a top 5 recruiting class. That’s some serious Mo heading into this off season.
Don't think you'd have to worry.
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Stanford looks like a pretty damn good team right now.
It sucks because if we win and go to the orange bowl we will probably play a shitty Big East team. I would almost rather us play a SEC team in the chick fil a bowl because I also live near Atlanta. Of course I hope we win though.
by fsunole23 on Nov 29, 2010 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I'm rooting for a Stanford game
For the variation, and so I can end the argument with my roommate (hes from San Fran) about which team is better, and tell if the PAC10 is overrated or not.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
The PAC10 seems pretty down this year, but Stanford looks very legit.
That’s not really a match-up I’d look forward to. Although the time off for our defense to rest would certainly be helpful.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Nov 29, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's the best Pac 10 year in awhile.
Well, now looking at the standings, Oregon and Stanford really prop up the conference. They only have 3 bowl teams (USC being an ineligible 4th).
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3 bowl teams is weak sauce
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' -Florida State safety Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
I meant "may" only have 3.
If Washington beats Washington State, they’re eligible. Same for Oregon State over Oregon and Arizona State over Arizona. I see UW over Wazzu but not sure about the other two. So that’d make 5 teams with 6+ wins but only 4 bowl eligible.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
Not sure if anyone saw this but
FU has lost Pagan, and evidently he is not considering them. The bad news? Sounds like he likes Clemson.
It is all over Rivals
Front page of Gatebait.
unfortunately probably somewhere in the ACC
one of the carolinas. maybe USCe could use him? dunno.
"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran
Wow
Funny quote here from Miami’s AD: UM AD @KirbyHocutt: “Not winning the ACC was not a factor, you can be relevant nationally without winning your conference.”
You know what hes right about this but how much money does the winner of the ACC get for the OB. vs the bowl Miami is going to. Wait are they going to one this year?
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
And apparently, you can be delusional about your own program even while you're directing it.
Not saying that RS didn’t need to go-27k attendance is not just shameful, it’s unsustainable for a program like UM-but Hocutt sounds very ignorant of how the path to national prominence actually works in the 21st century.
This makes me think Mark May was right in his comments about Miami: their administration and fan base believes their own hype and still think it’s 2002 when the fact is those days are dead and gone, never to return. If they want to return to prominence, they’ve got to build back the way RS started to do, only this time include a regular supply of top-flight local recruits and competent assistant coaching into the picture.
Oh, and Kirby? For further reference: ACC Championship=BCS Bowl=Lots of money, good publicity and recruits. Just saying. If you win it, the relevance will come.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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their administration and fan base believes their own hype and still think it’s 2002 when the fact is those days are dead and gone, never to return.
That’s exactly what happened to us. We (I mean prior administration) failed to see that the world had changed.
Yep. I had a devil of a time convincing my Nole friends to let go of the past last year, too.
What can I say? They grew up on Kool-aid just like I did.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
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