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Florida State Film Review: Seminoles 31, Gators 7

I had the chance to watch the tape of Florida State's 31-7 drubbing of the Florida Gators.  This won't be the traditional film review where I go play-by-play, but rather some general thoughts on each position.  

That sound you hear?  That's the sound of all the other coaches in the Atlantic Division coming to the full realization that Jimbo Fisher is building a monster down in Tallahassee.  For at least the next two years it will be a shock if any other Atlantic team wins the division.  With the way Jimbo and staff are bringing talent to Tallahassee, FSU's recruiting class is literally better than an All-Star team comprised of the recruiting classes of the five other schools in division.  And the 31-7 stomping of the Gators won't hurt those recruiting efforts.  

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I think the reason I had trouble realizing just how big this beatdown was is that FSU can only take care of what it controls.  I knew FSU was doing exactly what it needed to do to get back-- in time.  But it cannot cause Urban Meyer to make horrible coaching hires, to fake retire, or to become a shell of his former self.   And I just didn't believe that had happened until I saw the utter confusion on Florida's sideline.  The Gators could have made this a lot closer with a little bit of discipline.  A running back making the protection calls because the tight end playing quarterback only knows ten plays and zero audibles/ protections?  At UF?  Wow.  All the penalties and disorganization from them looked like something you'd see from a Dennis Erickson team.  FSU's players are not 24 points better than Florida's, but the product on the field comprised of coaches, players, and home field sure were.  

I'll start with the coaching.  This group gets a perfect grade for an excellent job of preparing the 'Noles to blow out the Gators.  The utilization of talent was great.  Jimbo Fisher said that FSU's goals were to win field position through special teams and turnovers, win short yardage, red zone, make big plays, and limit big plays on defense.  Mission accomplished.  

Offense

FSU amassed 282 yards on 44 plays before garbage time.  282 yards doesn't sound like much, but it was 6.4 per play and that is great.  Zero turnovers and 31 points doesn't hurt either.  FSU had 7 drives:  4 TDs,  1 FG, 2 Punts.  The 'Noles gained 71% of possible yards.

Coach Fisher had a great gameplan.  Perhaps he slept in his office like he did for the Miami game?  In the preview I said that FSU would not run the ball all over UF and that it would have to throw.  I also noted that UF's defensive ends were not special and that the Gators had to blitz to get pressure on the passer.  That means the offensive line and backs must be sound in their protections.  Big credit here to OL Coach Rick Trickett and RB Coach Eddie Gran.  Ponder was never sacked and was only pressured a handful of times.  It was  tremendous effort from a group on its fifth right guard of the season and missing its best pass-protecting back (Thomas).  I thought this would be a major problem and FSU dealt with it masterfully.

From left to right, Andrew Datko played a good game.  UF doesn't have a great end right now, but Datko easily handled everything in pass pro with flawless technique and he wasn't awful in the run game (remember he has only one arm right now).  Rodney Hudson is one of the best offensive linemen in conference history and he played like it.  He was excellent in the run game and literally perfect in pass protection.  Ryan McMahon was much better than he was against NC State or Clemson.  The real key was Bryan Stork not making huge mistakes.  He had a few mental lapses but played much better than expected.  And at Right Tackle Zebrie Sanders was good in the run game and had active feet in the passing game.

I'll talk more about Christian Ponder below, but huge credit to him here.  Ponder calls all of the protections and he is really mentally special.  It's stuff like this that people do not see when watching the game.  When Fisher says Ponder has played better this year than last and that the immature receivers and injured line are the cause for his depressed season numbers, believe him.  Ponder made it easy for the offensive line.  He was literally calling out the blitzes UF ran.  Florida players admitted this.  It's demoralizing when the other team calls out what play you are about to run.  

The other thing about blitzing is that it creates one-on-one matchups for the receivers.  I discussed this in the preview as well and had my doubts that this unit, labeled "immature" by Jimbo Fisher, could step up and beat some very talented defensive backs for Florida.  But they did.  The routes were perhaps the best all season.  The receivers created some separation and caught the football.  Was it an amazing or special performance by these receivers?  No, but it was this group performing up to the level of its talent.  Almost everyone, including myself, made the mistake of underestimating how long it would take this group to come together.  Also important was UF didn't have its #2 corner (Brown), and instead had to go with Moses Jenkins, at whom Fisher repeatedly attacked via route and formation.  Willie Haulstead and Rodney Smith are really starting to emerge and that helps to relegate Bert Reed and Taiwan Easterling to slot roles in which they can excel.  Cannot ask for much more from this group.  

I'll save the best for last with Christian.  FSU is so lucky to have Ponder.  He's had to deal with multiple elbow procedures this season, shoulder surgery over the offseason, poor receiver play, and a noncohesive group up front due to injury.  But with those other two groups doing their job, Ponder did what he's done for just about every game this year- play well.  Really well.  When Fisher says Ponder is an NFL QB playing college, believe it.  You rarely see FSU checked into a wrong protection or flip the play to the side without the numerical advantage.  You don't realize that advantage until you have a quarterback who makes those mistakes.  Ask Clemson or Miami how poor QB play can really wreck a season.  Ponder wasn't perfect on the day, but he was excellent.  16-24 (70%) for 221, 3 TD, 0 INTs.  He was very accurate and smart with the football and didn't care who was open as he found seven different receivers.  In his last four games he is 73-112 for 851, 8 TD, 1 INT, all while not being 100%.

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Defense

Florida had 8 drives before garbage time.  43 plays for 206 yards is a solid defensive performance of 4.8 yards-per-play.  Add in the four turnovers and it becomes a very nice defensive day.  UF gained only 34% of possible yards.  

What a gutty effort by the defensive line!  For four weeks I have told you these guys are shot.  Done.  Gassed.  I said in the preview if FSU is to win it must somehow reach for something it could not find over the last few weeks.  And credit these guys, especially coach Haggins and coach Eliot for getting these kids right.  

Anthony McCloud (AMP) is FSU's top defensive tackle right now and is primed for a monster 2011 season.  He held the point of attack well.  Has to find the ball better.  Jacobbi McDaniel gave some decent snaps and he hates UF like all Madison Co. kids do.  Gutty effort from him to fight through the elbow stuff.  Everett Dawkins is really a good kid and a team leader but being his size and banged up is not a good combination.  But he does a good job with penetration and almost always hustles. Demonte McAllister came in and offered fresh legs despite the knee and elbow issues.  

At end, FSU had some quality play.  Brandon Jenkins is a 1st-team ALL-ACC kid and is very athletic.  White did an ok job with contain overall and he has to get backer flow help over the top.  Werner is a special freshman who contributed, and Hicks offered some quality snaps.  The defensive line wasn't objectively special, but subjectively, given how beat up this group is, they were.  

The backers and defensive backs had an excellent day.  I group these two together because they were all playing run as UF had very little passing threat.  With a few exceptions, the backers took on their blocks and forced the ball to the outside.  Corners turned it back inside.  And the safeties ran the alley and delivered the killshot.  They were never duped by play-action passes and caught out of position deep.  A few times UF did pull and confuse the backers who were pinned inside, but after previous years FSU was clearly focused on being disciplined and not allowing stuff up the middle.  Thought UF should have run the counter play more as the Gators had success with that.  They got away from it and that helped FSU.  Coverage was very good on almost everything, with the exception of the touchdown where Nigel overruns the route and then slips down as he (looks like) steps on the referree's foot. 

Special Teams

Special teams were truly special as well.  Hopkins had four nice kickoffs and one mistake (opening kickoff).  Powell had tremendous punts, including three inside the five.  The return game was fine, and FSU even keyed on UF's fake punt and stopped it early. 

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by goatnole76 on Nov 30, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Nice

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

"Say hello to my little friend."

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Thass s'ok! She take anotha Quaalude, she love me inna mornin

Ain’ that right frank?

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by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The genius

that is Tomahawk Nation.

There's another one: SMACK!

by Gator Slapper on Nov 30, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again great job Bud

And another Great Job/Thank you for all the work you put in this year

by ChyTownNole on Nov 30, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

I was extremely impressed with our D-line and secondary.

Also Ponder just picked apart this UF D. He outsmarted them and then made the play. Even the ESPN/ABC commentators realized this. Great game on all sides of the ball.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

We had competent announcers, for once.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 30, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Bud

Great bud, love it.

What about VT?

by MadMike13 on Nov 30, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

It's only

Tuesday.

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by onebarrelrum on Nov 30, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

haha.

It is championship week! Savor it my friend.

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by onebarrelrum on Nov 30, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Fascinating!

It was a fun game to watch, wasn’t it? I see I’m not the only one who’s appreciation of the moment has deepened in the time since.

Jimbo Fisher was the right man.

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by Abiaka Windclan on Nov 30, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Also on the lone UF TD

it looked like corner may have messed up as he followed the receiver back across the field with the safety and left that whole right sideline open.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

Fisher said on

his show that there should have been a DB in the mix on that play but to me looks like it was all Nigel, with UF 5 wide. Maybe a zone and the DB played too deep.

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by onebarrelrum on Nov 30, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Looked like a tight zone coverage, but the CB follows the WR out of his assignment

and Bradham let the TE get past him, thinking there was help, but stepping on the ref didn’t help.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a damn solid player.

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by slumgullion on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That was a reply to the mike Harris comment. Why did it post here?

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by slumgullion on Nov 30, 2010 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

On the replay they showed, both the corner & safety followed the one receiver running towards the middle of the field. I think it was rhodes & parks. To me it seems that theyare more responsible for the touchdown then nigel but I guess it just depends on what kinda zone they were actually playing.

by gabejones on Nov 30, 2010 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Early in the game (possibly 2nd or 3rd UF possession),

Did anyone else notice Brantley and Burton call two different audibles/schemes at the same time? The entire O-Line stood up and just kind of stared at each other and Brantley was noticeably pissed.

Did you ever even play the game? I guarantee I can coach my Little League team to beat yours 10 times out of 10.

by Caveman Mafia on Nov 30, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

I missed that.

but that has to been one of the worst offensive performances I’ve ever seen. Really the only reason they moved at all is because they still have great athletes.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Young upstart getting in the way?

Yeah, I felt like Brantley was getting annoyed. He’s trying to be a leader but can’t because this young guy keeps trying to take over. Brantley did have his chance though early on. I don’t think he is the right QB for that offense and they don’t seem willing to adopt it to his skill set. So you get what we had last week. Which is the way he wants it. Well he gets it …

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

Good set up there for the finish.

by PSLNOLE on Nov 30, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That's about as good an idea as a "jump to conclusions" mat

Not surprised if Stevie Addazio didn’t think it all up with a little help from his good frend Jeffy at North Alabama.

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by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I really liked Mike Harris

on his interception. Brantley was fooled on that play as Harris knew what was coming.

by MRMAGOO on Nov 30, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

That is an NFL instinct right there

I can see why Saban was all over trying to get Harris last year. Stud.

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by ricobert1 on Nov 30, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Reminds me of the glory years. I used to love to watch #2 bait the QB’s like that. Even fromthe stands the guy would look wide open until … A bit different here as Harris doesn’t have that kind of closing speed but it was a great play.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Haden did that to EJ last year in the game

Great to see it getting turned the otherway now..

by fsugrizz on Nov 30, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It looked like G5 would have intercepted it if MH hadn't also

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>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Nov 30, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

An incredible play by Harris

I still think he should be starting over G5. G5 may have more raw talent, but he makes horrible decisions and takes stupid risks (though I will admit he played well against UF). Did anyone feel like G5 was on a short leash by the coaches in the UF game (as a returner)? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve screamed at the TV this season when he’s tried to return a punt with three defenders ready to pummel him instead of calling for a fair catch. This game he called for a fair catch a couple of times when I felt like he had plenty of room to try and return it; and normally he would try with much less room. At one point he even slammed the ball in his hands like he was frustrated at not being able to take off like he wanted too.

by joevan33 on Nov 30, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Was thinking the same

I friend and I whatched thew game and we were wondering the same thing.

by jskipnole on Nov 30, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't throw?

Florida’s running QBs must not be able to throw at all. Why else would they keep putting Brantley back in there? I felt relieved every time I saw him come back in.

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by SeminoleMike on Nov 30, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

actually, I'm surprised they didn't throw more.

I am so confused by their game plan, i don’t know what to think. FSU D is like #70 in passing yards allowed.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to agree

I thought they had more talent at WR and would be able to exploit our younger secondary. I think they got a little stubborn and refused to adjust. Or perhaps Burton’s play book didn’t cover much of the passing game, but they felt they could run against our D Line? Who knows. Obviously the game plan they had coming in didn’t work and they couldn’t/wouldn’t adjust.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The three-headed monster became really ugly.

Against UGA, it seemed like Brantley ran at least half of the plays and they would sneak Reed or Burton in at qb to make a power run. That never allowed UGA to get itself set to defend the run when the running qbs were in. They also ran a fair amount with Demps and Rainey when Brantley was in, so they could not sit on pass when he was in the game. Against us, Brantley only came in when they wanted to throw. I think he only handed it off a couple of times the whole game. Reed and Burton took the majority of snaps and almost always ran the ball. That makes what they were doing a lot easier to defend. Of course, the critical error was bringing Brantley in right before half, which we saw and that allowed us to drop into a tight zone coverage.

by nolesontop on Nov 30, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting parallel universe comparison in UGA vs. UF and FSU vs. UF

If the old staff had not retired, I think we would have had the same kind of game that UGA/UF played. High scoring sloppiness.

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by GonzoNole on Nov 30, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're right...

The difference b/w those games, I think, is that we got up early so fast. This, of course, didn’t allow them to play the way they wanted to. Still though, I can’t understand why they didn’t pass more. Even the announcers mentioned, their offense isn’t built to come back from huge deficits.

by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 30, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree....score would have been about the same.

FSU – 7
FU – 31

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by DRusso97 on Nov 30, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta remember

outside of the score, that game was not close. UGA turned it over all over the place. The S&P+ rating for that game had UF winning it by a landslide.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 1, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

That was with THIS program.

What was in place last year could barely be considered a program. It would have been a massacre….

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by DRusso97 on Dec 1, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry thought you were talking about us vs UGA for some reason

This year’s UF beats last year’s FSU I think.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 1, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually ...

For me Brantley was theone that had me worried. I thought UF was foolish to continue to rotate the QB’s. At least with Brantley they had the run/pass option. When anyone else was in I had no fear about stopping the pass and focused on run all the way. I really thought it was funny when they had burton in and let rainey run it. Why not do this with Brantley, then maybe we respect the pass a bit more and Rainey has a better shot.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

#11 was moving the ball at least

Brantley was either calling timeout or throwing errant passes

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by SeminoleMike on Nov 30, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hind site is 20/20

I can see an argument for that. I felt watching the game that Brantley had a larger set of plays to work from. He wasn’t throwing the ball real well early, but I didn’t want him to settle down and get in a groove. They seemed very conflicted at the QB position. Brantley trying to run a play, then Burton wants to call a time out. Two guys making separate audible calls. Whose in charge? I think they would have been better off to pick one and stick with it.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

These are good assessments...

Honestly, I think Reed can throw, but just doesn’t know enough of the playbook. Someone said in an earlier thread that it looked like different UF coaches were taking turns running plays with ‘their’ QB. I think that is spot- on.

From the outside looking in, it’d be utter stupidity for them to not can this 3-bow idea.

Here’s hoping the politics of continue to start Brantley outweigh the increased productivity in going in a different direction.

by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 30, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Which raises the question of

What happens next year? Throw Driskel to the wolves? Just force Reed to run the entire offense? Run a more conventional passing offense (requires a new OC)? Nothing they can do scares me for next year honestly.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say ride Brantley next year, take your lumps, and see what happens

Maybe you develop a little more conventional style, otherwise Driskel has a year under his belt and is ready to go in ’12.

Guys that can’t throw are not the answer…even Joshua Nesbitt can throw halfway decently.

by BayNole9 on Nov 30, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But in the system Addazio runs I say go with Reed.

They could actually move the ball when he was in the game. Either way, their offense is awful.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't buy it

All three of them turned it over.

They all got their at bats and they all whiffed.

Brantley was the only one to get in the end zone. I think that Reed was effective, at times but so much of that was a function of situation, score and time remaining.

I hope Reed is their guy because he won’t beat you throwing it, so long as you run with the receivers deep when they take off.

by Sobering on Nov 30, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

They moved the ball with him running late in the game.

I suspect we were playing the pass and thinking, “You’re really going to just run up the middle and drain the clock?”

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by Drew J Jones on Dec 1, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, without someone to TEACH Driskel, I think they are screwed

I don’t know if there is anyone on that staff that can read a defense or at least can teach a QB to.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I really think you are right. They will have to hire someone in the off-season. No way they make it through this year without some change on the O coaching staff. This wasnt a rebuilding year. Next year will be.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I'm right too

Please God let them keep Addazio.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not be too Optimistic

I think at best, next year could be a rebuilding year, if the neccessary changes are made. Its possible this non sense keeps up and they continue to mire in mediocrity, dare I say, waiting for one more player.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

This is my belief

It’s not Brantley, it’s their “coordination” in their offense that’s horrible.

If Addazio is the guy, that’s fine. Run a service academy/Ga Tech offense. But you better be willing to live with those kinds of results, as well.

by Sobering on Nov 30, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see Brantley coming back

the kid is screwed, if anything he transfers because he doesnt want to be there; there is no future for him in that O. I think Reed goes back to a HB/TE and Driskel plays as a FR.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the idea of throwing him to the wolves

Tells me we have a good shot at taking 3 in a row.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

this

Quite honestly I feel bad for him. The coaches have screwed him, and its resulted in the fan base blaming him. Kid must be a mental wreck.

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by slumgullion on Nov 30, 2010 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they recruited him and knew he would never play.

They had Tebow and Cam and kept Brantley from going anywhere else. Really sold him a bill of goods. Much like the rb’s they get. I mean is 300 yards a season what a real rb wants to have?

by pb4957 on Nov 30, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ever get the feeling he's their Chris Rix?

I swear, I watch what’s happening with UF day by day and I just think “Yep, I know exactly where in the process they are. We went through that exact same stage back in 2002.”

It makes me glad because I’m a ‘Nole and it means we’re gonna be ahead for a little while yet, but I’m with you: I can’t help feeling bad for the kid himself.
Whatever talent he has is being absolutely squandered and there’s no hope for him to have a better year before he graduates.

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by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

They do look a lot like we did c. 2002. Talented, but somewhat disorganized, players seeming to lack a “fire,” questionable coaching (and coaching turnover), etc.

Honestly, I seriously doubt they’ll be down for a decade. Depending on what happens over the offseason, they could get back on track next year. Or, they could go 7-5 again. I’m hoping for the latter.

by Invictus13 on Nov 30, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

They won't be down for a decade.

They won’t be down long because the UF administration (and fans) won’t stand for continued years of mediocrity. There may not be changes this offseason but if UF loses 4 (maybe even 3) games next season, there will be some major changes.

by Lpfsu511 on Dec 1, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I kinda feel a little bad for the kid. Kind like you feel bad for a dog that gets beat for peeing on the floor. Its not the dogs fault you left him locked inside all day. Brantley is getting hated on because he doesn’t have the skill set for the spread offense. He was brought in with promises that they would adapt to his talents. Now its his time and you haven’t changed a thing. Bet he wishes he stayed with Texas …. I wonder how daddy feels?

So I feel a little sorry for him, but kinda happy Meyer is being exposed for what he is.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said.

This whole thing couldn’t have worked out better for us.

Instead of actually changing the offense, and having some semblance of order (whether it works not), or completely ignoring Brantley and sticking with the spread stuff (that would probably best suit the offense), they do…neither.

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by CornNole on Nov 30, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There's no one on their staff who knows how to run another offense I don't think

Please keep Addazzio.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no one on their staff who knows how to run an offense I don't think

fixed

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Worked for Tebow

Reed was their best quarterback in this game. If they’re not going to change their offense to suit their players, then I’m guessing Reed will be the starter next year.

by csfuu on Nov 30, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Reed was just Tebow without the threat of a pass.

They ran him similar to nesbitt and did some play action, but I don’t think he can whatsoever read a Defense

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

They let him throw it more than Burton.

Which should tell you how awful of a passer Burton is. I wonder if they shove Driskel into the starting spot next year hoping he’s some kind of savior.

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by tricknole on Nov 30, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Someone said somewhere that Burton passing the ball is “ugly.” For all I know hes thrown less than 10 passes all season, the only one I watched was the ‘jump-pass’ that failed.

He must be really bad to get so few reps.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

All I've seen was the jump pass against Bama.

That didn’t work out at all.

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by goatnole76 on Nov 30, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I LOVED that pass!

It was great.

And the Bama D coaches were on the sideline signaling that pass before the play started. They knew it was coming.

by Invictus13 on Nov 30, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That was Kirby Smart, their DC

Man that guy is good.

I’m really glad UM isn’t including him in their HC search. He’d whip that program into shape in a hurry.

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by Dogrel on Dec 2, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It failed? I thought it was picked by Alabama.

SUCCESS!

I watched Burton’s high school film a month or so ago when I realized the dude never ran. His throwing motion was crap compared to Tebow’s and his arm was much weaker.

Most think Reed will be moved to TE next year/eventually. They have some 2* qb on roster that’s redshirting. And then there’s Driskel, who has good speed and a decent arm, but is nothing like Tebow when it comes to running the ball. They don’t have a Newton or Tebow on roster and won’t next year. Even if Driskel is an Alex Smith (Utah) type, he won’t be that good as a freshman. That team’s going to struggle next year, too. So sad. Not.

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by tricknole on Dec 2, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

His throwing motion was crap compared to Tebow’s

That’s like failing a remedial course. Could the standard be any lower???

by arrdub on Dec 3, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Coaching and the mental part of the game

Gator QBs were not well prepared, which showed in the disarray, wasted timeouts, and the limited plays that any particular QB could use.
The contrast of a well-prepared senior QB who knew his playbook thoroughly and had studied Gator film intelligently was the biggest difference in this game.
talent + experience + coaching >>> three-bow

Coaching also played a part in Jenije!?!? stopping the fake punt.

I am so impressed with our current coaching staff.
Also,

by madridbend on Nov 30, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I was also glad to see Jenije and Bright in on the stop during the fake punt. They take a lot of flak, but it makes me feel like they have kept their heads in it, are paying attention, and doing what they’re being coached/asked to do.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent feature on Jenije ran in the paper before the game

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20101127/FSU03/11270325/Former-NFC-star-Jenije-remains-a-positive-force-in-trying-times

Awesome kid (and family too! dad came over from Nigeria with literally nothing to attend FAMU), doubtful he gets drafted but all the best to him.

by stevib on Nov 30, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Burton can't throw a lick

I know a coach on the uf coaching squad and in his words, “Burton throwing is UGLY”

by FEARTHESPEAR! on Nov 30, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

YES

I’ve been waiting 2 days for this. More please.

by dale gribble on Nov 30, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Cheap shots by UF on Ponder

There were two cheap shots that I noticed in the game. I think the first was on the first possession when Ponder handed it off and carried a obvious fake around the end. I think it was Black that drilled Ponder. Even the announcers questioned why there wasnt a call.

The second was later in the game. Ponder had completed a pass and Will Hill launched himself right into Ponder’s upper shoulder or even head. Again, the announcers commented that they were lucky not to get flagged for that one.

I know it’s Florida and I know it’s football. But I really felt Florida wanted to hit Ponder as much as possible, even if cheap. Possibly part of their game plan was to get him hurt?

by TimScribble on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

It was Janoris Jenkins on the second one.

The announcers said that’s just a frustration hit. Good to see they were calliong out the other team. I was about to send Nick Moody to find Craig James and deliver a special messege.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Good call. It was Jenkins.

Im glad that the announcers called it out. Both plays were pretty blatant.

by TimScribble on Nov 30, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea. Especially with the horrendous calls in the Maryland game.

Don’t know if you watched the Sun Sports replay but the Gator announcer was complaining about the ACC refs and our guy was just like “You’ve had to deal with them 1 game, we’ve had to deal with them for 12.” And there were still some God Awful calls on us. (Parks’ Pass interference, holding on Easterling, etc.)

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I just made a comment further down about this.

I thought they were better than the last few weeks, but maybe because a lot broke in FSU’s favor. I agree on the PI call, but I can see why the Easterling hold got called. So they were ACC refs?

by TimScribble on Nov 30, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, ACC refs.

It was a hold but the defender was ripping off Easterling’s helmet before the actual hold occured. Plus the ref threw the flag a little late so I thought that one was garbage. Obviously the Parks INT, but other then that I can’t recall any of our penalties that were bad calls. There was some complaining (from Stoops) about some no-calls on UF for holding but, I’m used to that.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Lack of calls?

I remember thinking at the start of the game “Here we go again..” with regard to the officiating. But after rewatching it I think we benefited more from a lack of calls than they did. Particularly holding. On Pryor’s TD run in the first half it looked like the whole right side of the line was holding.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopkins KO that was called out-of-bounds...

It sure looked like a touchback in the replay from the endzone. It hit the ground around the 3 yd line and went over (or even inside) the pylon before hitting out of bounds.

Also, the refs screwed FSU out of a fumble return for TD late in the game.

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by Gripper on Nov 30, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It was inbounds!

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jimbo mentioned that on his TV show last night

Said something to the effect of he was watching it right down the line and didn’t know what the ref was looking at

by BayNole9 on Nov 30, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

wasn't even that close imo

especially with the angle that the official had on that play.

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by fsu44 on Nov 30, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Its funny, because it s a penalty it can't even be reviewed?

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It was definitely inbounds I have it on CD

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy cow that is an awesome idea

Where do you get full broadcasts of the games from? HD?

by AmplifiedJ on Nov 30, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The fumble return

would definitely have gone for six. I didn’t need to see the replay to know that was a fumble. The ref was standing 10 feet away and couldn’t tell that it was an obvious fumble? Garbage.

I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.

by SoCalNole on Nov 30, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't that obvious to me.

Knee down, ball out, ball out, knee down. Was very close. However, what the ref should have done is erred on the side of fumble. You let the play stand and let replay over turn it the other way. Pretty sure they are taught to do this now. So, in the end, he still screwed up.

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by onebarrelrum on Nov 30, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh ...

They have been doing this more across several teams I follow this year. I can’t say I like it any more than just calling it according to your first instinct. Several times this year I’ve thought the officials felt it was a close call so they made a ruling to allow the booth to check the play and make the correct decision based on the replay. Then the booth says, “It looks like it could be reversed, but I don’t see any irrefutable evidence to overturn it” and the play stands. There was an Alabama (could have been Auburn) game where this occured 3-4 times in the game and the same team got the benefit because there wasn’t evidence to overturn it. I think there is more of a chance for balance letting the officials use their best judgement at the time of the play. But I concede there isn’t a perfect solution.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The protocol should be let the play run itself out

But then once whatever happens, happens, tell them the ruling on the field is whatever the official initially thought. That way the refs can use their best judgment but allow the replay to get the call correct if need be.

by stevib on Nov 30, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this idea

The official can make the call for plays he feels pretty sure about and the booth can overide if they see evidence to the contrary as they do now. But also give the official the option to go to the booth without a call if he is unsure. The booth can make a call if replay helps or send it back saying nothing on film helps, make the call as you saw it.

by cinderboy on Dec 1, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

(Bud, please pick VT to beat us)

by dale gribble on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

Even if he doesn't, I will still say FSU wins

No disrespect, but at this point I am chucking final predictions (not the pregame analysis) out the window for the ACCCG game, especially after seeing the coaching staff completely outdo UF’s. UF worried me; VT doesn’t. Will be a tough game but I believe we’ll be ready for it, bruises and all.

by AmplifiedJ on Nov 30, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

VT worries me more then UF.

I think if we had all of our backs (Thomas, Jones, and Thompson) 100% I wouldn’t worry about our O. But the D is what really worries me. Especially since the last QB we faced that could make plays with his feet beat us in Raleigh.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh completely agree.

No doubt we have some shoes that need to be filled and Foster’s D is no joke (never is). I’m just choosing to be cautiously optimistic as opposed to filled with trepidation before the game this time. I mean, before the Miami and UF games I found it hard to be AS enthusiastic as some fellow Noles only because of what we all read about here on this site every day. The Maryland game was the only one (of consequence) I was confident in winning prior to kickoff. I think at this point I can afford to loosen up a little….

by AmplifiedJ on Nov 30, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually optimistic about the Miami game. I think we have their number now. But I thought UF was going to beat us (I was hoping just for the game to be a little competitive). So I have faith that our guys can win, and I certainly think we have the edge in talent, and I’d say an edge in coaching. The only problem I have is how beat up we are and how we do containing Tyrod Taylor.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

But Wilson and Taylor are two different types of QBs it seems like

Wilson = Through progressions, escape pocket, quick look downfield to see if anyone is open, run.
Taylor = Look for options 1&2, pull a Vick

Wilson’s arm worried me more than Taylor’s does now (still really good), but Taylor’s feet are scary as hell

by FLAK8 on Nov 30, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

To be honest, I’ve only watched VTech play once or twice since we last played them. The most recent was the Boise State game, and IIRC you are spot on that he was trying to be a passer first, maybe that’s why they lost?

by FLAK8 on Nov 30, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I will take FSU, pending injury report

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hot damn

We’re 2-1 when you pick us to lose, 7-2 when you pick us to win. I’ll take it haha.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of records, have we had any undefeated seasons at home since 2000?

Otherwise, I would think this is about our best home-field season performance since then.

by BayNole9 on Nov 30, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Actually when people say we’re two plays from being 11-1 I disagree. I was so ticked at the NCSU game because I thought our coaches and players were better then theirs. UNC and Oklahoma I thought we just got flat out beat. How we even had a shot at the Heels is beyond me.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones, Stork possibly Ponder

any of the DTs.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I’m sure he could have kept going but it was over by then, might as well get him out.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

EJ

went in specifically because of an injury to Ponder.

I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.

by SoCalNole on Nov 30, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

FSU’s players are not 24 points better than Florida’s, but the product on the field comprised of coaches, players, and home field sure were.

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by ricobert1 on Nov 30, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Punting stats...

Can someone confirm? Not only did Powell place 3 inside the 10, UF didn’t have a single return yard all afternoon? If so, WOW.

by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 30, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Confirmed.

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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The pleasure was all ours

Haven’t seen a meaningful game that resulted in an opponent’s beatdown in a loooooong time

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by ricobert1 on Nov 30, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It was FANTASTIC!

Haven’t seen Doak get that buck Wild since 2001 or so. Absolutely bananas.

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by willdabeast on Nov 30, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say Miami 2005 was the last time Doak has been like that

I want to see that place rocking like that game in and game out.

by FEARTHESPEAR! on Nov 30, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I screamed my fool head off

and literally couldn’t hear anything when UF was forced to burn their timeouts due to noise. If I couldn’t hear anything sitting on row 56, I can’t imagine how loud it was on the field.

by phinole on Nov 30, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember hearing the PA at all on when FSU was on defense

and very rarely on offense. Couldn’t hear the referee’s calls. Sometimes I couldn’t hear the band play….I was in section 28 row 35 not too far from the Chiefs and opposite the students.

by dale gribble on Nov 30, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if it was due to crowd noise or if they finally got rid of it

but I didn’t hear that stupid Miami siren after any of our touchdowns. That was a welcome relief!

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by FSULeeBelle on Nov 30, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I’m not a fan of the siren – that’s a UM hurricane warning type of sound, not a good fit for us. Fireworks might be nifty. Those were kinda cool in Arena football games.

by Invictus13 on Nov 30, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I was very surprised at the confusion and offensive circus that UF put on the field.

It looked like FSU’s defense last year and our offense during the JB days…

Addazio should be fired. The fact that you have to play 3 QBs is a joke.

by FSUjab on Nov 30, 2010 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

If they were going to do that, wouldn't they have done it already?

I mean, logically, they have no more games (except bowl game), and you want to find and announce the new guy as fast as you can for recruiting.

I’m okay with them being confused on this issue like they were on the field though, so I’m not complaining.

by PBD on Nov 30, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

One would think so.

However, I wonder if Meyer is so prideful that he’ll refuse to acknowledge that he made a bad coaching hire…

by FSUjab on Nov 30, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Meyer should be fired for allowing that to happen.

its pretty gross

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

One of you internet technies

should take “www.firemeyer.com” while it is available. You might then sell it to some Bull Gator who is red-assed over the whole thing and then donate the money to the new indoor practice facility.

by Nole75 on Nov 30, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It has existed for a few years already.

www.firecoachmeyer.com

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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Old saying that Lou Holtz used early this year.

“if you have two quarterbacks, you really don’t have any.” – UF had 3….it was a chinese fire drill all night long!

by pb4957 on Nov 30, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet Spurrier was able to win consistently with rotating 2 QB sets in the 90s...

Difference, however, was team leadership. A team’s got to have only one leader.

With a single QB like Ponder in there, it’s Ponder who’s the leader of the team.
When Spurrier ran the 2 QB set, the leader of the team was Spurrier. It still worked because all the decisions flowed through him.

Agree with you about the 3-bow. What a disaster!

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by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  


Jimmy Jordan and Wally Woodham

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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Were they(QB's) that different in style?

Like Brantly and the other 2 Teabags.

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by goatnole76 on Nov 30, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No-all pocket passers like Spurrier's system requires

They all had slightly different skill sets-one could throw a little harder, another a little quicker on his feet- but none of their QBs were real rushing threats.

’93 & 94 had Terry Dean and Danny Wuerffel. Dean was older, much more athletic and apt to freelance; Wuerffel was an underclassman, less mobile yet much more accurate and had a remarkable ability to bring the Gators back from big deficits. Spurrier later benched Dean due to his nasty habit of throwing 2-3 picks per game, the last straw being a 5-turnover performance against Auburn in ’94 that cost the Gators their title shot.

‘97 had Doug Johnson and Noah Brindise. Both comparable talents at the time. Neither was really good; Johnson was a better talent but was younger and threw more picks. Brindise was never going to be a great talent and probably maxed out physically, but was a senior and didn’t screw up as often.

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by Dogrel on Dec 2, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Thoughts on officiating?

I thought this group did a lot better than previous weeks. Was this an SEC group or ACC? The only questionable calls I saw were the PI on Parks where he jumped over the receiver and a I saw Stoops yelling about a hold at one point.

by TimScribble on Nov 30, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

ACC crew

And I think they did a decent job. There were a couple questionable calls, but I think they evened out. Since the 2003 fumblegate game, ACC handles games at FSU and SEC at UF. It was reversed before that.

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Nov 30, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

My thought was

after watching the replay, thank your for letting A LOT of trash talking go and not throwing flags all over the place. FSU players, different ones throughout out the game including random special teams guys, were on the UF sideline barking it up. Glad they kept the flags in the pocket for a big rivalry game and 6 years worth of frustration.

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by onebarrelrum on Nov 30, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw a few questionable calls or non-calls

Most have been mentioned: the non-calls for the two hits on Ponder, the bogus PI on Jenije when he was nowhere near the play (was he even on the field? I think they meant to call it on Parks anyway), the Parks fumble recovery. But the one that surprised me the most was the non-call for Moody’s hit on Demps, given our luck with those helmet-to-helmet hits this year. Although this one actually was H2H and wasn’t called…there were pieces of helmet flying everywhere, how much more evidence do you need?

by Pinto on Nov 30, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

My interpretation of that was

His intent was not to hit the running back with his helmet, nor was he gunning for the runner’s head. This was incidental contact after a big hit.

by PBD on Nov 30, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

IIRC...

Demps lowered his shoulder going into that hit, causing the H2H contact. Those calls will occur less on running plays for this reason.

by BayNole17 on Nov 30, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

I’m ticked that he didn’t have better talent around him during his career. But I am glad that he got to go out with a win over UM and UF and a chance to win the ACC.

by FSUjab on Nov 30, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

"Ponder...is really mentally special"

I agree with what you mean, and this obviously just came out wrong, but this sentence kills me.

by Mr. Tito Carlos on Nov 30, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

6.4 ypp vs. 4.8 ypp

Did we outgain any opponent by such a large margin this year (other than Samford)

by BenDNole on Nov 30, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

enlighten me please

I am not trying to rain on the parade because I am pumped, but… Was anyone else frustrated that we kept running the option to the weak side? Anyone have an explanation for that?

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Nov 30, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

I noticed that too. Not sure. Doesnt seem like there is much to gain doing that.

I dont even like running to the short side much even though it seems to work on occasion, but an option to short side is really ugly. Theres not enough seperation between the QB and RB in my opinion. It might have just been a way to keep the defense honest. I mean you dont ALWAYS want to run to the wide side. Theyd catch on to that real quick.

by cerebralfish on Nov 30, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No option expert but

Do you mean weak side as in formation? Or field ie. running the option to the left while on the left hash? You can manipulate the defensive formation by moving the TE from side to side. Likewise there can be less defenders on the short side of the field. Or perhaps you feel like you have a mismatch between two players in a given formation that you want to exploit. I didn’t pay enough attention to our options plays to know if any of these were the case. But there are reasons.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Running the option to the short side

is almost always the right idea. Espeically when you start pitching the ball, the sideline is your friend. A bad pitch on the short side goes out of bounds. A bad pitch on the long side is a fumble going the other way.

by Klak on Nov 30, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Division 1 big time football team should worry about not being able to execute a pitch?

Maybe in middle school or high school but I wouldnt think the risk of a fumble would dictate the direction the option is run at this level anyway. If that was the case we would never run the option to the wide side.

by cerebralfish on Nov 30, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Blocking as well

It can be easier to block on the short side of the field. There isn’t as much space for defenders to dance. I guess that could be construed as harder for LB’s to fast flow, or perhaps Running to the short field can be used to negate speed at LB.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

I went to Georgia Southern, so I have watched a ton of option football. Fumbles just happen in the option. Even our best teams and best players are going to put the ball on the ground 2-3 times per game. When i first started watching it, I hated that we always ran short side, but as you watch it more, you realize that it works just as well.

Your WR can block his corner straight out of bounds and the short side slot back can seal the linebacker and you have your lane. Your QB is going right off the DE and the trailing slot back is keeping the same pitch relationship as always. THEN if you screw up the pitch, it rolls harmlessly out of bounds.

I’ve seen too many wide side pitches that stay in the field of play to keep asking for them to run to that side.

Sorry for the long winded response, and I’m not trying to antagonize, I just love me some option football. :)

by Klak on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No prob. You know more about it than me. With that said...

I hearby declare a new form of option to the wide side and I’ll assign a fumble recoverer to trail the play. Maybe we’ll even fumble on purpose so your defenses will bite and go for the ball, not taking into account my “fumble recoverer(FR if you will)” knew it was coming and was in scoop and score mode all the way!.

by cerebralfish on Nov 30, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They used to play pretty good football at Georgia Southen

IIRC. Had a old buddy of mine go there to play guard (I think) back in the day.

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by CornNole on Nov 30, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

One of my High School teammates was their QB for a ring or 2

Quincy Alexander
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by DRusso97 on Nov 30, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Ga.So. knocked the real FU out several times

from the Southern Conference championship; FU being Furman University. I did my undergrad degrees there and I hated playing the big, fat, bald guy who always seemed to beat us.

(BTW, it bothers me when folks here refer to UF as FU. Really, there’s no comparison!! I know what they’re doing, however.)

by DrNole on Dec 1, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

There is an article entitled "interacies of the triple option" online

In it they talk about Gatech, Navy, UF among others and they say its normally run “to the side with more field” and then site video of Gatech doing so.. Maybe they run it to the short side a lot but it would be interesting to know which way is more effective.

by cerebralfish on Nov 30, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Running it to the boundary (short side) also forces the pitchman

to make a cut upfield sooner, putting him in a better position to receive the pitch. It makes the option guy run north-south sooner instead of more east-west. Does that make any sense?

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by seminole_swami on Nov 30, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He meant field..

Less defender on the short side is equal to more defenders on the wide side though because of lack of running room right? Also doesnt an option to the short side really tighten up the QB and RB? It just almost looks like one guy can key the QB and then almost be able to make the tackle if its pitched to the RB because of lack of spacing?

by cerebralfish on Nov 30, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Certainly a consideration

Yes, on slow developing plays I could see this as a potential issue. I would think you could minimize it with a QB that can get out from under center and down the line quickly. This would force the End to commit sooner and make it harder to play the QB and pitch.

by cinderboy on Nov 30, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Weak side or short side?

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how ugly it couldve been if we didnt just burn clock in the 4th....

I think we couldve dropped 40+ but we wouldve had to risk a turnover which was the only thing that UF couldve used at that point to get themselves back in the game. I totally agree with how we played the game late but I’m just sayin….it couldve been even worse for them..

by cerebralfish on Nov 30, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I agree.

If all of our drives in the 4th quarter didn’t start with such bad field position, I would have loved to run up the score. And call all 3 time outs. Georgia fans would love us for that one.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yea, wouldn't that have been sweet?

Parks running down the sideline, his dreads flowing in the wind, while the UF fans file out of Doak and Urban all of a sudden becomes even more dehydrated. It would have been the most beautiful dagger I’ve ever seen.

by FTSNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Greise is terrible, by the way.

When asked about Ponder’s projection in the NFL he sounded as if he needed to find “a nice way” to break it to him. His assessment? “I think he’s got as good a shot as anyone.”

Really? So, he’s got as good a shot as, say, BJ Daniels being successful in the NFL?

Terrible, Brian. Just terrible.

by BCDnole on Nov 30, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

When did you see this?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

ARE YOU ASKING ME

If tou are , about 10 mins. ago

by jskipnole on Nov 30, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to yell.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry not yelling

I just use all caps on the first line

by jskipnole on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

personally i think the bold is enough

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Quite bold

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by ricobert1 on Nov 30, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got the shhhh

and the only cure is more bold.

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by ricobert1 on Nov 30, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It was during the game

maybe the first or second FSU drive

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Meaning was this during our game or what?

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, during the FSU/UF game he said that during the first or second FSU possession

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a tool

and jealous that Ponder can read defense better than him.

He also picked us to lose to Miami and UF so he can suck it.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't they say he'd be a "dark-horse" at the next level?

Has he ever watched Ponder play before this game? Do these guys do any research themselves?

by FLAK8 on Nov 30, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, thats how the conversation started.

Paraphrasing, “Do you think Ponder could be a dark-horse QB at the next level?” “He has about as good a shot as any”

= fail

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

QUESTION FOR BUD

I was just looking at bowl predictions, They have VT playing U-Conn. in the Orange. If FSU beats VT, do you still think We get U-Conn in the ORANGE.

by jskipnole on Nov 30, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think so

But I’m not Bud.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Some seem to think UWV/FSU matchup wont happen because its the same as last year

IDK

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

See it's a different bowl game

and it’s not really a REMATCH. I don’t think people would be less likely to watch because this same matchup occurred last year.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If U-Conn Wins

They clinch the big east right?

by jskipnole on Nov 30, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep and if everyone loses they win too.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea on who will go to the Orange

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

saw a bit on this on ESPN

Said that Orange can option NOT to take UConn if they want to. Can take the Pac-10 second team which would be Stanford. Then Uconn/WVU would go to the Fiesta. Said they would be more likely to take WVU if they win the Big East than UConn.

So if FSU wins it could very easily be FSU/Stanford. Wowza.

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by onebarrelrum on Nov 30, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be incredible

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by ricobert1 on Nov 30, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I also saw OK-U-Conn in the Fiesta

by jskipnole on Nov 30, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, people treat it as the throw-away BCS bowl

With good reason, I mean who wants to watch to teams from basketball conferences right? Anyone?

by FLAK8 on Nov 30, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't care who we beat

If we win the Orange Bowl against Sisters of the Poor, we still get next season started with major hype.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 1, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

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by tricknole on Dec 2, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take UConn

We should beat them, and a BCS win would be a BCS win. Hey, uf got credit for trouncing a (basically) coach-less Cincy last year, right?

by Invictus13 on Nov 30, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Did they have to forfeit that game due to Pouncey?

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by tricknole on Dec 2, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The Orange Bowl is hoping against hope West Virginia can win the Big East...

Can you imagine having to choose between UConn and Stanford? Neither one of those teams fill their 30,000 seat stadiums at home. TCU would be a better option for selling tickets than UConn or Stanford. If the Orange Bowl is stuck with either UConn or Stanford, I would be willing to bet the game doesn’t sell out regardless of VT or FSU playing in it.

by Lpfsu511 on Nov 30, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because I'm picky...

UConn’s stadium seats 40k and Stanford’s seats 50k after they renovated down from 85k.

Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.

by mmmCheese on Nov 30, 2010 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure if Stanford would be a big draw

I am sure Tiger Woods would be in attendance but not sure how they would travel.

by NC Nole on Nov 30, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a good sell then....
I am sure Tiger Woods would be in attendance

Tiger could fill a small section himself with all of his ho’s…..

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by DRusso97 on Nov 30, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Or a small section of hos all by himself, as the case may be...

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by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I see what you did there...

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by DRusso97 on Dec 1, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather really beat up on a big east team like uconn

than lose to a pac 10 team. Although we’ve been down, and irregardless of what they’ve done in their own conference, schools trying to build up their program still would use a win against us to legitimize themselves. Remember all the talk around BYU last year? Even though they were ranked #2 at the time and we were towards the bottom of the 25, if even ranked, we were their biggest game in ages? And I just don’t want a loss to them to erase a lot of the progress we’ve made so far

Hi Urban, meet Jimbo.

by CT_Nole on Dec 1, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 1, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

They were 7

But I agree with everything else you’ve said.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 1, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

When Harbaugh is gone, Stanford's run is over, methinks.

Further, there’s little negative recruiting that could run out of a loss to a PAC10 team, especially since we just curb-stomped UF + UM. No one we’re recruiting against is going to get mileage out of “but they lost to STANFORD!!!”

Payoff for knocking off a top 5 team would be HUGE, however. Gimme the big dog and let’s see what happens.

by arrdub on Dec 1, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Not me. You are building a culture of winning until it becomes ingrained....
Gimme the big dog and let’s see what happens.

They are still young kids. Give me a winnable BCS bowl game and the momentum that carries into the winter/spring.

Save the top-5 Bowl opponent for 2011, and the top-2 Bowl opponent for 2012.

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by DRusso97 on Dec 1, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

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by CT_Nole on Dec 1, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Understand the logic.

As the discussion has played out in another thread (poll/bowl projections?), I think best scenarios are something like

UCONN (for reasons you state)
Stanford (for reasons I state)

(somewhere way below those two…)

WVU (less to gain from W, harder to win, and a lot to lose)

by arrdub on Dec 1, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd switch WV & Stanford. Other then that I agree.

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by DRusso97 on Dec 1, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, just my personal opinion

if we win I would rather play UCONN then Stanford. Stanford really scares me with Andrew Luck and how physical their team is.

by feardaspear on Nov 30, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

MY FAVORITE BUD ARTICLE EVER!!!

WHY!? OPTIMISM!!!

HAHA SERIOUSLY, FANTASTIC JOB BUD…AS ALAWAYS

by LetsGoNoles on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

The last time we played VT, we knocked both of their QB's out of the game.

First we rolled up on Tyrod Taylor’s ankle on the first play of the game and then Glennon’s was knocked out in the third quarter also with an ankle injury.

Just sayin’.

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by FrankDNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

the time before that their CB! concussed our 235lb QB

just sayin.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he was decently large

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets not get too crazy

I realize the talent is there but we haven’t had the best record at developing talent over the past few years. I think yes our talent is better than the rest of the atlantic div. but you don’t have to have the best talent to win games (VT, Clemson, NCST, BC,) they have all had good success without the talent that we enjoy. I say I love where we are going but let it play out.

by camfsu04e on Nov 30, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Talent is the biggest factor in success in college football

and because the previous staff didn’t develop talent is no reason to believe this staff won’t. It wasn’t about Tallahassee, just the a-holes running the program before.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

nooooo!

not at all. just saying that to assume that we can (to the potential that we are talking about) may be a bit premature considering we have not see this staff (with new head coach ) mold a kid from freshman to senior year yet. Thats all.

by camfsu04e on Nov 30, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This staff (Fisher) molded Ponder into a high NFL draft pick

Trickett molded Hudson into an All American. This current staff are the only people who molded any football players in the last few years at FSU. What are talking about anyway?

You sound like an escapee from the WC freeboard.

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst case scenario (completely unrealistic): JF and Co. can't develop players.

We’ve already got strong evidence Viloria can and will.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 30, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

And that staff went 16-16 over the last 4 years in conference

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

k

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

k

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

From Football Outsiders

EqPts: Florida State 24.1, Florida 7.3
T/O Pts: Florida State +19.2
Florida State > Florida +36.0

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

BEAT DOWN

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know what any of that means.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That straight up, without Turnovers, we were 16.8 points better than them

And the turnovers were worth 19 points.

In other words the score could have been much worse.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

gotcha, thanks. Never could figure that out.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

I think of it as a way of applying the ypp differences to point totals.

by BenDNole on Nov 30, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow Bud, pretty harsh
he is really mentally special

I mean, ya the guy is kinda goofy sometimes, but geez…

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by NorFla_Nole on Nov 30, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

This thought just came to me: was Jimbo sandbagging our WR play?

I wonder if Jimbo’s been sandbagging with our WRs, playing them out of their natural positions in games where we could afford to take that chance, all in preparation for the UF game, so they’d think we couldn’t throw deep.

I admit that our Freshmen didn’t really come around until the last game or so, but our production soared to such an extent during the UF game that it almost looks like Jimbo knew what he was doing all along.

Ok, Evil Genius Conspiracy time over.

Oh, and Bud?

Great post

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by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt it

Because game reps matter, so no sense making them play games in positions they’d not normally play.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

To to put it too strongly, no way.

I think really only the last few games have the WRs really settled down and begin to understand what they are doing. Not just what they are doing but doing things without having to think about it.

Like Bud pointed out much earlier in the season, consider the difference between UNC WRs, ’08, ’09, ’10. 2008 they had a very decent O with and lots of production from the WRs. They lose like 3-4 WR starters and then in 2009 their production falls off the map. here in 2010, the same guys, now pretty dangerous as we found out; and even missing one starter from last year, perhaps their best.

I expect a similar scenario for FSU assuming EJ continues to develop. ‘11-’12 should be a pretty strong WR years for FSU

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

no doubt. but more so than other positions i think WRs need real playing time to really progress

and since 90% of our playing time in 09 went to 4 guys, 3 of which left. Those situations are the ones that tend to hurt you next year.

Next year we keep all WRs.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not sandbagging by playing them out of position...

But possibly ‘sandbagging’ by not making certain calls b/c they haven’t shown the precise route- running and pass- catching ability necessary? I still would say no, but this seems more plausible.

by FOshizzleFSU on Nov 30, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Florida's only TD

Our secondary was in a cover 4 look and you can see that X and Moody commit to the WR running the curl and no one was left in the deep quarter of the field where X was supposed to be. We at least should have been able to make the tackle after a 10 yrd gain.

by dj2fsu on Nov 30, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

I thought it was cover 4, too

That means Bradham has the flats. Whoops.

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by ricobert1 on Nov 30, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And there should have been someone behind him, but I'm guessing with the clear out we were in some sort of man configuration

If he were in a zone he would have at least gotten to the receivers hip. And if it’s cover-4 there still should have been someone behind him near the goalline.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

VT

I LOVE the intangibles in this game — they all break in our favor.

- We are the underdog
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We should be COMPLETELY loose in this game since it is ALL gravy for us
— We have flat out owned VT over the last 30 years

They are great — a better team, in my opinion — but I think we’ve got a good chance.

Not to be blasphemous, but I think JF could probably learn something from how BB approached these games (bowl games, primarily). I’m not sure how Bowden did it, but we were always loose and ready to play in those games. I know preparation time is different, but I would treat this like a bowl game if I was JF. I wouldn’t focus on it being a championship game as much as just focus on having fun and playing hard.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see some SERIOUS trick plays unveiled in this game.

Oh, did I mention I’ll be there with my two boys?!?!
;-)

by Fsued on Nov 30, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

I just dont see VT being the better team

I live about an 1 1/2 hours from VT and I have to hear year round about Tech Tech Tech and it just kills me. They will def have the better running game as Williams and Evans are very good backs, Williams being the best. If we can some how contain the running game, there is no way their WR’s are going to beat us bc they do not have that big play ability, as other teams we have faced. What also worries me is Tyrod running on 3rd downs. Stinespring is a horrible offensive coordinator and he has their best weapon sitting on the bench at back up qb in 6’6" 240 pound athlete Logan Thomas, who has caught one TD all year and has had the ball thrown to him twice out at WR. FSU wanted him really bad as a TE/WR. I will have to move if we dont win bc of all the crap I will hear from everyone. I get stupid texts everyday about how good Tech is.

by dj2fsu on Nov 30, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's the rub

It’s hard to contain their running game. Their receivers won’t torch us on their own, but if we can’t get Tyrod down, we’re in trouble.

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by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ponder

Bud, where do u see Ponder going in the draft?

Do u think the scouts will see his inconsistent play this season was due to the people around him and not on Ponder?

Personally, I can’t see how his value will be the same as last season. For every bad throw you can basically say “oh the receiver went 3 steps and broke too early, so the ball was high”

I just see this as coach speak by Fisher trying to help his guy get into the NFL. Which he should

by Cee on Nov 30, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Between picks 20 and 80

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're saying

his chances are as good as anybody’s?

by dale gribble on Nov 30, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, a lot of it will be medical evals

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, a lot of it will be medical evals

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

1st round would be awesome

If he tears up the combine. Then he will have a chance imo

by Cee on Nov 30, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

His pocket presence has only suffered this year

Because of the make-shift OL that we’ve had to put together. He had plenty of presence last year (with the exception of a few sack-fumbles caused by future NFL D-Linemen). His pocket escapability is probably one of his best assets that I think would offset any deficiency in his pocket awareness/presence. But I’m a layman who is pretty much pulling stuff out of thin air.

by FLAK8 on Nov 30, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

also figure his value goes pretty high if FSU can manage going 2-0 here out

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i keep reading that second paragrah

Over and over. Beautiful. It’s something you’d hear john facenda saying with autumn wind playing in the background.

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by slumgullion on Nov 30, 2010 3:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Time to go to work on Frank

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by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

There is talk of UF hiring Calvin Magee

He is the OC under Rich Rod who may be fired himself. Rich Rod called all the plays also.
Magee did alright as running back coach at WVU but a lot of that was due to Trickett’s offensive line. It looks like another shaky hire to me that could go either way.

We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher

by DocHoliday2 on Nov 30, 2010 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

...which meshes with the present tendencies of UF's existing Meyer/Mullen Spread Option system.

And yet some people still think that Urban doesn’t grasp the system he and Dan Mullen developed.
I would think this should quiet them down, but I don’t think so-their minds are probably made up at this point.

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by Dogrel on Nov 30, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Denard Robinson > Poo Poo Platter of UF QBs

Thank goodness for that

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Nov 30, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Great read Bud.

I am glad everyone is starting to realize what a special qb CP is. We are very lucky to have had him for the last 2 years.

by fsunole23 on Nov 30, 2010 5:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Anyone know why Fisher was wearing the shades late in the game?

He sure didn’t need them, maybe the same reason poker players wear them?

by vickers8 on Nov 30, 2010 5:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Cuz our future's bright?

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by GrassyNole on Nov 30, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So focused he forgot?

Or glare

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe its hard for an outsider to understand

But as a Terp fan who reads this site, I don’t get the euphoria over beating Florida. Yeah I know its a bitter rivals and that Florida has the perception as being the cream of the crop. However this Florida was a fairly average team. There are just no two ways around that. They are the SEC’s version of Clemson, lots of talent—especially on D— A solid D—and an average to below average offense that is way to reliant on the big play to be consistently good and who overall was horrible inconsistent on offense.

Just like a win over Texas this year doesn’t mean you are a great team, a win over Florida is nice, but they are not even a top 25 team.

by philibu on Nov 30, 2010 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

Not being mean at all. but, yes. You don't get it.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

To clarify,

I believe Jimbo or Ponder said, FSU fans wouldn’t mind 1-11 if the one win was vs Florida. Hyperbole, but not far from the truth.

Being a FSU or a UF fan, there is a constant struggle for supremacy between the two teams by their fandom; and for SIX LONG YEARS gators have been shoving it down our throats that they have won. For the last four years Urban Meyer has been showing highlights of Florida destroying FSU teams to recruits at the Friday Night Lights recruiting events; Meyer mentioned ’there is nothing better for recruiting than beating FSU" – paraphrasing.

And its not the same if Maryland beats FSU for 6 years. Yes that would suck a LOT, but, most of us live next to and have to work with Gators. We get that sh*t thrown in our face every time football is discussed. A constant barrage.

So yes. I can understand you not comprehending what it means to beat the Gators, much less beat the shit out of the Gators. This is a HUGE deal. Six year drought is over, 13 more consecutive wins to catch up. I, for one, won’t be happy until the series is in our favor.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's an ugly, nasty, bitter rivalry

easily one of the nastiest in the nation. Other rivals can leave their differences on the field, but not FSU and uf. uf’s administration constantly tries to block our growth. uf’s political alumni constantly try to pass measures to give uf a permanent foothold over FSU. uf alumni are some of the most arrogant people I’ve met and constantly try to belittle FSU’s academics. uf’s athletic department back in the 40’s even tried to get FSU’s athletic teams to be classified as “uf junior varsity” teams. It’s constant, and it’s been happening for years.
So as was said, not trying to be mean, but yes. You don’t get it. To my knowledge, Maryland doesn’t have a bitter, bitter rival. But anytime you beat them, let alone after 6 years of being blown out, it’s a BIG DEAL.

by NoleFrenzy on Nov 30, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ironically

Most of what might be classified as “cheap shots” around here were/are directed at our own former staff.

The articles here don’t really belittle other teams (they may be a little blunt on occasion – e.g., calling MD a fraud a few weeks ago), and I like that. I’ve only been to AA a couple times – following links posted here – and it is a ridiculous site. Pathetic, really.

by Invictus13 on Dec 1, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

As the guys at Hogtown's Chinee Takee Outee might say...

Those gatas. They all crass.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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by Dogrel on Dec 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Cause we hate them.

I mean hate them like if they were playing against the Taliban, I would root for the Taliban to win and put money on them to cover.

Like if all that had to happen was for UF to win the SEC championship game over a hypothetical BCS #2 team so that FSU could slip into the NC game I would root for the BCS #2 team to win and keep FSU out of the NC game.

Like if I had to choose between eating dog $hit and losing to UF, I would eat dog $hit every time. And like it.

by dale gribble on Nov 30, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

because I would hate for FSU to back into the NCG due to UF. Their fans would hold that over our heads for eternity.

by dale gribble on Nov 30, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Heck

I’d just say, “Thanks, chumps. Do it again next year, will ya?”

by Invictus13 on Dec 1, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Does MD have a rival it hates?

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by Bud Elliott on Nov 30, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering the same

Even if it does, Maryland doesn’t have football passion like Florida. Which to me is the big driver.

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by harper.rb on Nov 30, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe duke in basketball?

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by Miaminole on Dec 1, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Except Maryland is not Duke's rival.

Duke’s rival in UNC (and possible NC State and other North Carolina teams). Not Maryland.

by Lpfsu511 on Dec 1, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya, Maryland is just some team that beat them sometimes and yells obscenities really loud at them

Not a rival and definitely not someone that Duke respects (at least not the way they respect UNC).

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Dec 1, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey man, im graspin at straws here

Its not my fault Maryland sucks.

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by Miaminole on Dec 1, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't it used to be Navy?

Same state, both sizable schools…

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by Dogrel on Dec 2, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the key is that we had a six year losing streak to them, and during those years they had become the premier program in the sport, with the most celebrated player, coach, and athletic director in the sport. There was always going to be euphoria when we broke the streak, no matter how good the particular UF team was. Sort of like how the 2004 Yankees were not the force that their late 90s counterparts had been, but it was still massive for the Red Sox to finally get over that hump anyway.

If we’d beaten this UF team in the midst of a run of our own, or in a time when the rivalry was a stalemate, I don’t think there would be near as much excitement. I can remember beating a pretty pedestrian UF team in 2002 and 2003 and while everyone was happy with the wins, nobody took it as a sign of big things for the program.

by 38Noles on Nov 30, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

UF could roll out a bunch of paraplegics

and we’d still enjoy beating them.

Coincidentally a group of paraplegics would of put up a better game.

by l0stnumber on Nov 30, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Gee Phil

I don’t know why you were so happy you beat Duke in Basketball. After all, they were having a down year.

The FSU UF rivalry is deeper than that. The only thing that compares is Yankees Red Sox.

by CelticPride on Dec 1, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

does Maryland even have a rivalry?

much less one on the scale of FSU v UF?

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by NorFla_Nole on Dec 1, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

He has a minor point

I’m ecstatic we won, but at the end of the day I have to keep reminding myself that they are 7-5. They may be the best team we have beaten (should be NCST) but I feel myself getting pretty optimistic about a team that hasn’t beaten a top 20 team yet.

On that note, yes it’s a big deal, no you don’t get it and I apologize for the next 5 whoopings we lay on you in advance.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Dec 1, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

The win doesn't make me overestimate where we are

But that doesn’t lessen the pleasure of beating them.

by Invictus13 on Dec 1, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Did they enjoy beating a 7-6 FSU team? I think so.

by jasonole59 on Dec 1, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 1, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Parody is rampant here,

and parity is rampant in the SEC. ;)

But I rec’d this. Good job.

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by PeachTreeNole on Dec 1, 2010 7:13 AM EST up reply actions  

:)

Thanks… I was rolling (like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor).

by Nole'in Around on Dec 1, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Great as always! On the Bradham slip...

he’s definately the reason the pass was so wide open, though one of Moody and Rhodes is responsible for the score. They both followed a crossing route and left that corner wide open. Couldn’t tell if the corners were matched up (Moodys fault) or in full out zone (Rhodes fault)

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by truecolors on Dec 1, 2010 7:22 AM EST reply actions  

I have to say,

That was the single most euphoric moment I’ve ever experienced as a Nole (football related moment). I was a freshman in ‘99 and just expected to win the NC that year. And the previous year, and the next year, and even in 2001. I took all of ’99 for granted and all of the 90’s as I was developing my fandom. I took the beginning of the 2000’s for granted as I was unaware of the slide in the program and thought losing to louisville and virgina were just hiccups.

The next two best moments for me were the 2005 game agaisnt UM and when we beat VT in the first ACCCG.

This was by far my most memorable moment as a nole, and one I’ll never forget. It really does mean a lot more when you’ve been waiting for it to come and have followed the changes in the program over the last decade and the last few years especially. Its great because its a sign of things to come and evidence that the process is working.

Like bud said in the main post above “Jimbo Fisher is building a monster down in Tallahassee” and this season we got a sneak preview.

by dale gribble on Dec 1, 2010 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

I know what you mean. I felt the same way too at the time.

I thought we’d be back as soon as our players “got a little bit of coaching under their belts.” The 2000s were when I learned the hard way that football players don’t develop by themselves and that coaching matters.

And I’ve gotta agree with you, this UF game gave me that same feeling. After 6 years of futility against UF and a full 10 years of frustration and ineptitude, this was the year when all of that frustration finally fell away. I didn’t want last Saturday night to end. This victory is in my top 5 favorite Seminole games I’ve ever witnessed, and considering the company in that short list (‘96 UF, ’97 Miami, National Championship game vs VT, ’05 Miami, and now 2010 UF), that’s saying something.

I’m glad all FSU fans got to experience that feeling of raw joy once again. There is nothing in the world like that feeling ofachieving pure, unalloyed victory against UF after so much humiliation. This really was a win for the ages.

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by Dogrel on Dec 2, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

bulls-eye...

 “thought losing to louisville and virgina were just hiccups.”
100% felt the same.

by Nole'in Around on Dec 1, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

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