Preview: North Carolina Tar Heels at Florida State Seminoles
Tomorrow the North Carolina Tar Heels roll into Tallahassee to face the Florida State Seminoles. Carolina sits at 5-3 (2-2 in conference). The 'Noles are at 6-2 (4-1 in conference). I have to say that this is the most difficult preview I have had to write to date, because of all the NCAA and Academic casualties at North Carolina. Kickoff is at 3:30, expect cold temperatures and clear skies.
Inside, you'll find
- Game Recaps from seven UNC games
- Personnel breakdown
- Injury/ Suspension report
- Strategy
- Prediction
Let's start with a review of UNC to date:
What I take from these is that UNC really had a shot to be an incredible team this year (like National Champion good) but blew that. It is still a good team, however, and things might be looking up for UNC.
Injury/ Suspension/ Dismissal report (Starters in bold, key reserves in italics, all others ignored)
| North Carolina | Florida State |
|---|---|
| TE Zac Pianalto | WR Jarmon Fortson |
| FB Devon Ramsey | OG David Spurlock |
| RB Ryan Houston | OG Bryan Stork |
| WR Greg Little | OG Blake Snider |
| DE Robert Quinn | DT Moses McCray |
| DT Marvin Austin | LB Nigel Carr |
| DE Michael McAdoo | |
| CB Charles Brown |
As we covered yesterday, this is the most complete UNC has been all season. Florida State is reasonably healthy, with the exception of the guard spot. FSU is down to its fourth right guard as Bryan Stork is now out.
UNC Offense v. FSU Defense
UNC has the 37th-rated F/+ Offense, while Florida State has the 40th-rated F/+ Defense. I tend to think these are much more accurate than the rating of UNC's defense, which you will see in a minute. I say that because most of UNC's rating was amassed with only minimal damage from the suspended players. Only Greg Little has missed significant time.
Offensively, UNC is led by offensive coordinator John Shoop. Shoop played football at Sewanee and built a pretty substantial resume as a coach in the NFL. Shoop spent 12 years in the pro game and served as the offensive coordinator for both the Chicago Bears (2000-2003) and the Oakland Raiders (2005-2006). While his teams' offensive performances may not have been too impressive with the Bears and Raiders, the experience surely is. Shoop is a guy who demands execution and can be conservative with his playcalling (if you have not seen much of him at UNC, just think back to the early '00's Bears teams).
Shoop is a disciple from the Joe Pendry (Bama) and Gary Crowton (LSU) school of offensive thought. That means he's conservative by nature and completely irrational at times; especially on third downs when there's a great distance to go. He's a pro style guy through and through but he is not a risk taker or a coordinator that is known for surprising defenses. His philosophy is to out execute your defense, take what you give him and not put his players in a position to make mistakes.
Shoop lives on 21, 12 and 11 personnel (2 tights, I, and 1-back) as well as the rare empty set that ALWAYS includes a tight end. He runs the ball when it is working but is quick to abandon the run in favor of his patented short passing game. Shoop takes about three shots a game deep, normally off of play action, after he has lulled you to sleep with some generally predictable play calling.
Carolina's run game is decent, but not spectacular. This is a big offensive line, and I would rate it as above average in the run game. UNC likes to run a lot of power (very pro-style) and after seeing NC State handle FSU's defensive line last week, I would expect UNC to attempt to do the same, particularly considering its receiving tight end is out. That means more of the bigger blocking tight end. Running back White is a good back but he is not a game changer.
Clemson stayed in a 4-3 when UNC went to 11 personnel, and FSU's linebackers are better so I expect FSU to do the same if UNC elects to do that.
Carolina's receivers are no joke. They are really talented and I expect at least two of 83 Dwight Jones (6-4, 220, Jr.), 3 Joshua Adams (6-4, 200, Fr.*), 88 Erik Highsmith (6-3, 185, So.), and 87 Jheranie Boyd (6-2, 190, So.) to play in the NFL. This is probably the most physically talented group of receivers FSU has faced this year, outside of Miami, and it is probably better than Miami's considering it is better coached. North Carolina's offense probably cannot perform well enough to beat FSU unless its receivers have a big game.
So UNC has a powerful, inconsistent offensive line, doesn't threaten the middle of the field, and has some serious receivers and a QB who can get them the ball but often prefers to check down. What's the game plan?
FSU will likely play a good bit of cover 2 in this game and force UNC to threaten the middle of the field given that its tight end is out. But FSU also needs to defend the run out of this look so FSU will need to make sure to stem down late to show different looks while sneaking safeties Moody and Parks down into the box.
If FSU can win on first down, I think this game presents an excellent opportunity to bring the zone blitz. Senior QB TJ Yates is not a bad QB for the 'Heels, but he is not particularly mobile. Carolina's response to the blitz is to check down and it is missing its stud tight end. If Yates wants to throw the ball underneath to his backs and backup tight ends, FSU should let him.
I think FSU can limit this run game, but not shut it down. Carolina's receivers will make some plays, but won't tear this defense up. I think UNC will run 64 plays for 336 yards (5.25) per play.
UNC Defense v. FSU Offense
UNC has the 50th-rated F/+ Defense while FSU has the 24th-rated F/+ Offense. I will tell you that while UNC's defense has played as the 50th-best in the country, it is now much better than that. Why? UNC amassed that rating while it was missing a ton of key defensive players. Now most of those starters have returned from serving their suspensions.
North Carolina will, like Miami, utilize the old Jimmy Johnson 4-3 scheme. If you haven't done it already, do yourself a favor and read up on the 4-3 Over that both UNC and Miami, FL utilize. UNC and Miami are similar defensively in many ways. Like Miami, don't expect the 'Heels to be too aggressive defensively. They will attempt to put pressure on FSU via their front four. You will also see a good bit of zone coverage this weekend.
Base coverage for the Heels is the standard quarters, Cover-4 look. They sprinkle in some Cover-2 and Cover-3 and very rarely the Heels will show some Cover-1. There is a lot of shell coverage and there is a hybrid pattern-read and spot drop mentality. Corners are taught to jump the short routes (as they did last year when FSU burned them deep on a stop-n-go for 98 yards) while safeties are tutored to get to their drops before reading the quarterback's eyes and more importantly, shoulders. The scheme has worked and now UNC's secondary is getting very good again with three of four defensive backs back in the lineup.
| Sizes Of The Front Sevens Florida State Will Face | ||||||||||||
| Sam | OU | BYU | WF | UVA | UM | BC | NCST | UNC | CLEM | MD | UF | |
| DL | 270 | 267 | 295 | 255 | 275 | 285 | 251 | 260 | 245 | 275 | 255 | 255 |
| DL | 285 | 301 | 307 | 240 | 270 | 293 | 295 | 289 | 275 | 310 | 295 | 307 |
| DL | 280 | 284 | 261 | 285 | 275 | 305 | 309 | 297 | 305 | 315 | 285 | 302 |
| DL/LB | 245 | 251 | 239 | 235 | 265 | 251 | 257 | 259 | 260 | 260 | 275 | 250 |
| LB | 212 | 240 | 232 | 215 | 215 | 227 | 238 | 239 | 230 | 215 | 230 | 226 |
| LB | 245 | 225 | 225 | 240 | 225 | 240 | 235 | 231 | 235 | 230 | 250 | 238 |
| LB | 220 | 232 | 225 | 225 | 230 | 220 | 215 | 224 | 230 | 220 | 235 | 223 |
| Total | 1757 | 1800 | 1784 | 1695 | 1755 | 1821 | 1800 | 1799 | 1780 | 1825 | 1825 | 1801 |
This is not an enormous front, but it is not tiny either.
UNC's defensive line is no better than what NC State had, though its linebackers are all NFL guys. It's not shocking that Butch Davis would again have great linebackers just like he did at Miami. These guys are very good. They are good in coverage, good against the run, and when they blitz, they are excellent blitzers. The secondary is extremely talented as well. Williams might be the best safety in the country, while Search and Burney will both play in the league as well. It's also the best UNC has been this year, health wise, as UNC rested several key guys last week.
I expect FSU to try to do what it does well, and that's take what the opponent gives it and exploit that weakness. I don't know how well the offensive line will perform given the lack of continuity with its fourth right guard of the year. I don't know how well the receivers will respond after having a poor couple of weeks. But I expect FSU to have good offensive balance, return to having few offensive penalties, move the ball, have a few nice drives against UNC, have at least one big play, and score on a short field. 72 plays for 410 yards sounds right to me.
I also expect FSU to have a special teams advantage in this game as it has the better coverage teams, better kicker, and better punt return team. I'll be watching FSU's kick return team.
Prediction: UNC- 64 plays/ 336 Yards, FSU- 72 Plays/ 410 yards.
Chance of winning: 75% (I see FSU winning 3 out of 4 games in this scenario)
Florida State Seminoles vs North Carolina Tar Heels Highlights - 10/22/09 (via pbysh)
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This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 5, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
too good not to rec
The real question I have is if TCU beats Utah convincingly, or even modestly, does the Newton spectre cause Auburn to fall in the human polls?
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is too good at what he does.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Nov 5, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Wait... I think I've figured out the "technical difficulty"
Doc has kidnapped Bud and is now running the show… this could get interesting.
In the famous words of Samuel L Jackson... "Hold on to your butts"
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
You haven't seen my best work

We are "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented." says Fisher.
The process is real, make no mistake, it gets stronger and stronger day by day, it is unstoppable! "Get used to it, get used to winning"....Jimbo Fisher
I missed it somehow...what happened to Bryan Stork?
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
by mmmCheese on Nov 5, 2010 1:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Who could move to DE
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That would be a good move
But our DE Class is looking to be Drew, Newberry, Lynch, Jenkins and Werner for the next few years.
Illness they said
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CBSSports.com is reporting he has mono.
That means he’ll probably be out for a little while.
Yeah, he will be.
Had that when I was in high school. Not fun.
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"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
35-14 sounds right but
I could see this getting out of hand if we execute and don’t beat ourselves… I don’t buy this nc team
by Sem1nole on Nov 5, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
35-21 sounds right but
I could see this getting out of hand if we execute and don’t beat ourselves… I don’t buy this nc team
by Sem1nole on Nov 5, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Who are the 4 Right Guards?
Spurlock, Stork, Sanderson, ???
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Snider was #2
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I'm surprised you guys are so confident
75% chance of winning? 14-21 point victories? I dunno…our D seems about as good as their O, and on the other side of the ball, I really can’t say that our O will be better than their D with all those players back and healthy. I’d like to think special teams gives us a big advantage, but I’ve been very disappointed with the kick returns this year…
I say we win by about a touchdown (I would predict a field goal if this were an away game), but I hope we do better! It feels to me a lot like the NC State game: I think we’ll win, but if we come out flat again I could easily see a loss.
At home in a 3:30 game with a decent homecoming crowd
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Ah
Let’s go 28-17
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I wouldn't be surprised if we win by 21
but I also wouldn’t be too surprised if the offense came out flat and we had another NC State or BC type game on our hands (score-wise, not scheme-wise).
I agree, just don't know what to reasonably expect from our O. I'm thinking a TD for the win.
Although I know that is a result oriented prediction.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
This really does not remind me of the NC State game at all.
I read all the comments about UNC and Bill&Mary last week, but they are still W&f’ingM. They should have handled their business much easier than that. Even with some key figures out on defense.
They have squeaked out victories against Rutgers and Clemson.
Garbage time score might keep this one closer than we want but I doubt that it will be a 3-7 point game.
65% to win. Projecting 24-17.
I don’t see 35 points against their defense, but I hope I’m wrong.
This is a game I'd stay away from, for entertainment purposes only
I fear that if we encounter adversity, me might not respond well. Good start very important.
On the other hand, I sure like the Gators only giving 14 at Vandy.
I didn't Sunday night
Now I might lay off
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Trendy stat but
our defense has only given up 1 TD at home all year.
You know, after last thursday's game my seminole feelings are officially hurt
That is, this jekyll-and-hyde version of our offense really saps any optimism I have. We overperform at Miami, underperform NC State. The game on paper is hard enough to figure out. Guessing which offense will show up is enough to make your hair pulled out.
I’m going with 1-0 victory, as UNC forfeits due to letting LT in on a snap.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
by ricobert1 on Nov 5, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Actually, Rico, this is why I like us this week...
I think Jekyll is back. As much as we like to think we have gotten away from the Lost Decade, we are still less than a year out from it and old habits many times die hard. That being said, we would play awful for a couple/few games, then have an unexplainable great game during the those years. I think this is that week for us. No empirical evidence to support that, just a feeling I have from watching this team every single miserable game during those years.
Good points
It’s just that I’d really started to buy into what Jimbo has been preaching – that is, I had bought in that the team had bought in. I’m still sore at the offense for that game because of what they were able to do against Miami. I thought we had turned the corner. Our defense, with the absolute exception of the OU game, has been extremely consistent (not great, but good). Our offense seems to be the ones playing like a first year system at times.
1st year coaching change blues. I’ll be ok. Go Jimbo!
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I don't think we win big either
I say a td or less. Heading into the week I liked our chances to ran on them since even with the kids back they have been getting gashed on the ground. But with our line issues I don’t know if we will consistently run on them like I was hoping. My hope is that the defense comes out pissed, forces a few turnovers and we get good field position from G5 and crew.
Can't agree with 75%.
Their backers and secondary are better than BC’s, which gave us fits. Their WR’s are tall and physical going up against our 5’8’ frosh CB’s. Their DL is at least as good as NCSt’s. They are better coached than Miami, and will get up to play FSU. We squeaked by BC, lost to NCSt and it wasn’t a fluke. We’ve got issues, and UNC has the kind of team and coaching staff that can exploit them.
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Afer you factore in the front 4 and game planning/calling...I think BC has a better defense than UNC over all.
Though secondary is clearly better the LB’s are pretty close and I think the front four as it currently sits would favor BC. Plus I like Spaz for X’s and O’s.
Still they don’t threaten us much outside of the run game and it’s hard to think our offense has ANOTHER bad game.
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I wish we could teleport
back ten years and then bring the 2000 team back with us to the current date with the current coaches. Then I would feel so much better about the rest of this season!
That said
I think we go 2-2 the rest of this season. And I think we will barely squeak out those 2 wins. Maybe we can put Maryland in their place.
Can anyone tell I am a pessimist?
Yeah, I would have too.
But I really believe we had a chance to make big things of this year after we went 6-1. I hope the Noles prove me wrong.
Losing to NC State crushed everybody's optimism
That was a HUGE loss. Monumental. I know this will sting people to say but losing to Miami and winning at NC State would actually have been preferred right now IMO
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Nov 5, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They need a reality check, then.
I’ve been on the optimistic side all season, but this shouldn’t have been a massive surprise. We were statistically bound to lose at least one more game, more likely two. 9-3 is huge this year and sets the stage for heightened expectations next year. Just can’t let yourself focus on just one week instead of the season as a whole.
mistype...
I got the actual and my prediction confused, I called 31-27.
Offensive Balance Indeed
2010 offense-
1662-Passing yards
1659-Rushing yards
How’s that for balance so far this season!
I knew we should have run on 2nd and goal from the 3.
by SDnole on Nov 5, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
Up until the NCST game I really thought we might finally have reached a level of mental discipline and toughness that would allow us to win consistently, as good teams do, and not lose to inferior teams. No way we should have lost to NCST, it shouldn’t have even come down to that last ill-fated play. Don’t know what to think now. Bud’d analysis is good, and we should win. But…that said, why do I feel so nervous about our chances?
I'm with you
This team continues to confuse teh bejesus out of me even with Bobby and Co. gone. I know it’s year one but that 6-1 start gave too much hope. I said 8-4 at the beginning of the season and I think that’s what I will stick to.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Nov 5, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Great teams do as you describe. FSU is a good team but its not great.
FSU was a 3.5-point favorite over NC State. I cannot comprehend how that loss has shattered confidence. People are way way way too reactive both positively and negatively after a game. Focus on talent, coaching, and the overall body of work to establish your feelings for a team.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Nov 5, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Completely agree, though its hard not to get caught up in the momentum sometimes (positive or negative)
Personally, I think I put to much weight on the Miami game
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
The loss didn't shatter confidence
but we made soo many mistakes in that game, with a week off to prepare. We also made lots of mistakes against BC. My feelings for the team are pretty good and that it’s going in the right direction, but for this game, I only give us a 60% chance to win or so. If we come out and execute as poorly as we did the last two weeks, then there’s a good chance we lose. Based on past performance, I think there’s about a 33% chance we come out flat and making a lot of mental mistakes in this game—I’m almost expecting it. But I hope we don’t.
Fair enough
Mistakes are part of the game. Unfortunately, the offense’s cost us it.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Yea people are in meltdown mode almost
because of the last loss. Everybody remember what Jimbo has said most of the season. Are we as bad as the Oklahoma game.?(No). Are we as good as the miami game.(Probably not). We are somewhere in between, but as long as we stay focused, play hard, and prepare we have a shot to win every time we step on the field. I see a bounce back win for us in this game against a UNC team thats missing some NFL players. Final Score: 28-18
For me, I don't feel it's over-reacting,
but rather bitterness, that we’re catching them at their strongest. Leaves some unknowns regarding them, and I hate that we’re on RG #4. Healthy bit of skepticism, to temper hope, all mixed in with your excellent analysis. It comes down to the same thing that it has for every game this year (OU possible exception). Execution, and stay in the game mentally = win. Less than that = who knows.
I think this defense is due a pick six.
You think with all the bad quarterbacks we’ve faced that we’d have one by now.
should've had at least one, maybe two already. (G5-UM and BC)
"Some people call it swagger, we call it preparation." - Vic Viloria
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 5, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a game that can salvage UNC's season
31-24 UNC. Their offense is pretty good and against this back seven is not the time to remedy our passing game. Personal mental preparation leads to no meltdown at my house this weekend.
"Some people call it swagger, we call it preparation." - Vic Viloria
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Nov 5, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
The main thing I point to where I have some hope
Yates ain’t gonna be able to scramble like Wilson did on 3rd and long and he doesn’t have his stud TE for the checkdowns
Think we manage to win this one 24-16
by Cigar City Nole on Nov 5, 2010 10:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think they are all tough games from here on out
All of our ACC opponents will potentially be facing elimination, then there’s Florida. The good thing about our schedule is three of the four are at home.
Florida State 45 Miami 17
I think we pull out a win on a final drive late in the game
Close game all the way..
Ponder will make up for the fumble with an excellent game..as long as
the receivers catch the ball!!
wah , wah
One barrel..look at the time I wrote this..
This was my prediction..You know before the game!!
Lol ..You should really pay more attention before ripping someone..
You don’t look very smart when you don’t have your facts straight..lol
BTW
I was close but wrong unfortunately..I predicted a win..
haha,
I wasn’t ripping you at all. Just the team and out come.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 6, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
as in
I really wish this
I think we pull out a win on a final drive late in the game
would have happened instead of the exact opposite.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Nov 6, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I was so pissed about the game I took it wrong
2 weeks in a row is too much for me to take!!!!!!!!
completely
understandable. Was a little easier for me to take this week for some reason. Once your soul has been ripped out and put in a wood chipper, it gets a little easier to deal with the second time. I’m sure I will be numb when FSU loses to Clemson in spectacular last minute failure.
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by onebarrelrum on Nov 7, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions

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