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Florida Takes The 'Nole Road To Will Muschamp

Just as many Gators ripped Jimbo Fisher before his debut season, many 'Noles are now criticizing UF's hire of Will Muschamp.  But UF could not have made a more similar hire to the one FSU made in Jimbo Fisher than Will Muschamp.

Both coaches are a great fit at their respective schools.  Fisher grew up a 'Nole fan and mentions to the media that he followed FSU games via TV or radio every chance he got.  Muschamp was born in (actually, in Georgia) Gainesville and lived there for much of his life.  

Both coaches come from the tree of arguably the best pro and college coach ever-- Bill Belichek and Nick Saban.  They were national champions as coordinators at LSU under Saban in 2003.  They are good friends, who even own a beach house together.  Both subscribe to Saban's insanely detail-oriented process.  Every facet of an athlete's life is monitored, managed, and rewarded, all with the goal toward winning one more snap.  

Both were head-coaches-in-waiting under CEO-types.  And working under CEO-type coaches had to drive them nuts.  CEO coaches don't have a place in today's game, because there are head coaches who actually coach.  It's part of the revolution of pro coaches, no doubt drawn by the lure of the increased college dollar.  Bowden provided no leadership and his staff was dysfunctional, filled with life-long friends.  Ditto Mack Brown at Texas.  That had to drive guys like Fisher and Muschamp crazy.   Fisher and Muschamp are both guys who crave discipline, attention to detail, and intensity.  Those qualities are the exact things missing from teams led by Bowden, Richt, Mack Brown, and the other CEO types who are detached from their teams. 

Both are considered great recruiters.

Neither had any head coaching experience at any level.

Another thing that drove them nuts about working under complacent talent collectors (not coaches) was the lack of input they had with regard to the future of the program.  Both Fisher and Muschamp asked for beneficial changes they were denied by Bowden and Brown.  And they wanted input on the future staff, also denied.

As great coordinators, both suffered as the foil to an unimaginable incompetent on the opposite side of the ball.  Jimbo Produced a top-10 offense while FSU's defense was in the top-90.  Muschamp produced a top-20 defense while Texas' offense didn't even crack the top-100!  UF's offense wasn't nearly as bad, ranking 48th.

And both must make a quality hire to shore up that side of the ball.  Fisher struck solidly with Mark Stoops, improving Florida State's defense from top-90 to top-50.  Can Muschamp bring in an OC to take UF's offense from 48th to, say, top-25?  Considering all the talent recruited by UF over the past few years, Gator fans will expect it.  Muschamp will have as much cash as he needs to get it done.

Both now must follow a legend who won two national championships.

There are a few differences, however, between the two.  

Star-divide

Fisher had the advantage of seeing all that was wrong with Florida State's program.  Fisher also had the advantage of knowing many of the top prospects in the state because he had been recruiting them for quite a while as the offensive coordinator.  He already knew Tallahassee and the people in the athletic department he could trust, and who he would need to not associate with.

Muschamp doesn't have all those advantages.  However, he does have some of his own.  Muschamp does have the advantage of stepping into a much better situation with far fewer problems than what Fisher stepped into in Tallahasse.  He won't need to haggle and beg for things.  With UF's money, he can step in and demand pretty much anything he wants absent an indoor facility (at the present time there isn't room for one near the practice fields or the stadium).  

And expectations are also quite different for Muschamp than they were for Fisher.  Florida State let its problem fester for eight years.  Florida got rid of Meyer after he was unable to produce while cutting back his hours and making some poor hires.  Florida State expected Fisher to win the Atlantic Division, which he did.  Florida Fans are going to expect much more from Muschamp, almost immediately.  Florida has a difficult schedule next year.  It's two cupcakes and then Tennessee, at Kentucky, Alabama, at LSU, at Auburn, Open Date, Georgia, Vanderbilt, at South Carolina, Furman, and Florida State.  Granted UF does a great job scheduling and has an open date before Georgia and a bad 1-AA school before the 'Noles come to town.

Vegas will peg UF to go 8-4 next year, like it did FSU this year.  And like Fisher, if Muschamp can go 9-3, it should be considered an enormous success.  But will it?   

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Who do you think will be their OC?

Does Muschamp go for a Spread type? Someone like Jimbo? Any chance he likes the offense Jimbo runs and goes after someone like Coley (dominating recruiter too who he can overpay)? Major Applewhite may be good, but he doesn’t blow my skirt up and he doesn’t strike me as someone they’d be willing to just hand the keys to. If they are going after the best DC in the country, they can’t just go after some young unproven character to coach the O.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure but I do know they are paying muschamp 50% more than Jimbo.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I expected it to be more.

I also expect there to be some type of extension/raise after next season if we perform to the level I believe we will perform to.

Muschamp wasn’t leaving UT for just double what he was making. This pull would need a big salary bump and I’d say 3x’s is pretty understandable.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I would like to load Jimbo’s contract up with big incentives, like $250K for winning the division, etc. But that won’t fly.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Won't fly with him or won't fly on our end?

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

With him and his agent

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, okay

Ya, I’d want the cold hard cash too, not to have tons of things in my K that forced me to possibly fail by some fluke (like us going 7-1 in ACC and 10-2 overall) and not getting any of my money for what is a very successful season. (Just an example)

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Muschamp is making triple

Muschamp was making 900,000 at UT and is now making 2.7 mil at UF

by Gilchrest on Dec 14, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes I know

That’s why I said 3x’s

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Muschamp got a 5 year deal worth 2.7 mil per year.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

expectations are a little different too, no?

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

On the whole, probably

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

8-4

Is this what both schools are thought to go or just UF. UF will win more games because its Def is going to be stacked. You dont score you cant win. I think its funny becasue they the 2 are friends. I dont think you would ever see BB and Steve-O hanging out or anything like that.

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by Desman on Dec 14, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Just UF

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on UF's o-line

Nebraska’s defense with Suh showed that no matter how dominant a defense is you still need some points because you won’t shut out everyone. If they go spread or pro style if their 3 new o-linemen don’t perform the offense won’t work. Also I think with the exception of Auburn every team on UF’s schedule will be better next year than this year.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Or will they go pro-style spread like us!

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Doomsday Scenario

Offer Jimbo $2 million to be OC.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Twas facetious

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Desman I don't know if they win more than 8 with that schedule

They really are going to have a pretty stout schedule next year.

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

He tried to walk on to UF first. Even waited in the coaches office for hours…..and hours. But the coach was out jogging. So he went to UGA.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20101214/ARTICLES/101219803/1136?p=2&tc=pg

If GatorSports would ever load properly maybe people would enjoy that site. I think it is garbage because it is always having some server problem.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

I think Only Gators Get Out Alive is pretty good.

by CCDFSU07 on Dec 14, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Only Gators is very good.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI, this TN article shows up 3rd on Google when you type in Will Muschamp. Nice job.

Right behind the article that states Muschamp should hire Shannon as his DC? Milk-a-wha…?

by FSUjab on Dec 14, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Disagree

I think Vegas will predict 9-3 and Gates will expect 10-2 with either a trip to the SECCG or a win vs FSU.

by MasterWolf on Dec 14, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

How do you figure Vegas will predict 9-3? I’m very sure the prediction will start with an 8. Some chance, I guess, that it goes 8.5 heavily shaded to under

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

well

I dunno if Vegas measures things differently, but I think that I would take the over on 8.5 wins. Florida is really good. They have a lot of talent, and on paper are going to be a great team next year, assuming they get a good OC and don’t suffer injuries, etc.

Wins
Cupcake #1
Cupcake #2
Tennessee
at Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Furman

And 3 of:
Alabama
at LSU
at Auburn
Georgia (favored)
South Carolina (maybe favored)
Florida State

by MasterWolf on Dec 14, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The way you just listed that shows your ignorance of the system. In that first set, they are actually more likely to be 5-1 than 6-0. I’m not criticizing you, just showing how the “win/loss” system is a folly.

More realistically, this grouping makes sense:

Wins (this group is overwhelmingly likely to be 4-0)
Cupcake
Cupcake
Vanderbilt
Furman

4-4 against this group:

Tennessee
at Kentucky
Alabama
at LSU
at Auburn
Georgia
at South Carolina
Florida State

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair

I will admit to not being an expert. And I also hope that you are right. However, I think you might be underrating them slightly. Regardless, that’s why these things are always so hard to predict, amirite?

by MasterWolf on Dec 14, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Wish I had gotten in on the under for UF this year

They had to have them at 9.5 right?

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Think so

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't chalk Kentucky and Tennessee (ok, maaybe Kentucky) as automatic wins

These won’t be Urban Meyer coached football teams against those two school. I think Urban had those teams figured out. Tennessee hung around for a little bit against the Gators too. Would not be surprised to see either look to get some revenge and steal one from the Gators.

by TCHOP561 on Dec 14, 2010 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

UF

has had UK “figured out” since 1986. Hasn’t mattered who is the HC

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by floundringaround on Dec 15, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't think you could pull of calling someone ignorant, and saying you weren't criticizing them in the same paragraph.

Setting at 8 wins will make it a juicy wager. I got my money on push, but I’m not a degenerate gambler. Just an irresponsible one.

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 10:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Did I pull it off?

I just said ignorant of the process.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, but isn't point out someone is ignorant about an issue a fair criticism.

Just a semantic issue I have when people criticize correctly but claim it’s not a criticism.

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is it always someone's fault if they're ignorant?

Perhaps they were never afforded an opportunity to educate themselves. To point that out wouldn’t necessarily be a criticism.

Ignorance =/= stupidity

by nbj08 on Dec 14, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, but you're implying criticism has to be personal.

Offering advice or saying someone could improve are both examples of constructive criticism.

I am criticizing your point while acknowledging its merit. In no way is this personal or an implication you are wrong. See what I mean?

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Indeed

sophomoric oversight on my part

by nbj08 on Dec 14, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Of equals off

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In all honesty….gut feeling now with a head coach….and I know this isn’t y’alls style to “word” it like this as y’all like numbers and percentages…but forgive me.

FAU – win
UAB – win
Tenn – win
Kentucky – win
’Bama – loss
LSU – loss
Auburn – toss up
UGA – win
Vandy – win
South Carolina – toss up
Furman - win
Florida State – toss up

Figure somewhere around the region of 2 losses out of those toss up games.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

UGA won't be a push over

But otherwise I agree.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I did almost say “toss up” but a loss to UGA is rare (as of late), so I almost always put it as a “W” before the season.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point yes. Get back to me after the spring and summer. It could change.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

is it homerish of me to say I think FSU @ UF is slighty better than a tossup in our favor?

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

No. Not at all. But with it being in The Swamp…big rivalry game…at this point..I just don’t know.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, it is a bit early.

Right now if I had to call it I would say 55% FSU. But there are a lot of uncertainties. What will FSU oline look like. Who will UF assistant coaches be. What will UF do for QB situation. Will they go spread, multiple etc. Lots of questions. Only good thing about the game being played late. We will know what kind of teams we have on our hands.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't underestimate

What an upgraded defensive line and a few more receivers can do for FSU next year. We will be close to climbing over the hump.

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

As untested the receivers were this year going into the season

the Oline might be in that same position for FSU.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

One tune up game

and then, say a really bad D 1 team. Not sure how beneficial back to back Samford type games are.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I was counting a bad FBS team as a tune-up

I believe that no serious team should ever play more than one FCS team in a given season. I also agree that the benefits to playing an FBS team are very limited.

by FLAK8 on Dec 14, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotchya.

I’m not too worried about having two FBS teams. If we have to keep playing UF at the end of the year. Give me one at the beginning of the season and one in late November the week before UF and I wouldn’t complain too much.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 15, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I need to teach this site

How to use decision trees to predict expected wins. It allows you to model uncertainty like new coaches and adds a dynamic element for stochastic events. Bud’s system is great but is static and doesn’t allow for answers to questions like “what if we are 10-0 headed into UF; how does that change your expected win percentage?”

We use them in finance for predicting interest rates in future periods. I’ll throw up a caboose at some point.

by TuckNole on Dec 14, 2010 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I look forward to this fanpost

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

iPhone autocomplete

turning “fanpost” into “caboose” for the win.

by TuckNole on Dec 14, 2010 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

www.damnyouautocomplete.com

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by CornNole on Dec 14, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm crying

from laughing. This is the greatest thing ever.

by tuckwell on Dec 14, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a great site.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...gracias for pickin up mah slack.

Im gonna blame autocorrect on this one too.

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by CornNole on Dec 14, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I need to teach this site

How to use decision trees to predict expected wins. It allows you to model uncertainty like new coaches and adds a dynamic element for stochastic events. Bud’s system is great but is static and doesn’t allow for answers to questions like “what if we are 10-0 headed into UF; how does that change your expected win percentage?”

We use them in finance for predicting interest rates in future periods. I’ll throw up a caboose at some point.

by TuckNole on Dec 14, 2010 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not homerish

I cannot imagine their O being top 25 next year. Too much change and a lack in the QB department to have a viable passing game. On the road, yes, but we’ll have a road tested QB by then.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

The talent is there “on paper” for a top 25 offense. Whether that materializes or not….

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you still have the major problem of someone needing to basically teach Brantley a starter course in how to read defense.

Talent is there, but the rest of the circumstances don’t point to that type of a season to me. Gonna need to lean on the run game if you ask me. And Bud has speculated that Demps would quit football to prepare for the Olympics (Fall 2011 seems like it would be perfect training time for that by the way) so it’s going to be Rainey and youngins running it.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Brantley isn’t that good. I was really kind of hoping he would transfer. Just so we can start with a new coach/new qb kind of a deal.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Uh oh.

That sounds like the case of the Rix’s.

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Major.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I guess what I mean about that is...

Today, many FSU fans wonder if Rix could have been more than a 45 yard TD with seconds left with the right coaches.

Brantley is a talent, whether or not he got the coaching he needs is up in the air. Guy didn’t have a OC while playing.

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure if Brantley can throw a ball 45 yards. I have yet to see it.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem is, I've heard Burton throwing is ugly

And if Reed is asked to drop back and pass and Brantley is allowed to walk, I call that a net win for your opponents. And I doubt you throw Driskel to the wolves so quickly.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want to throw Driskel to the wolves like that. I’ve said that on Alligator Army and caught heck for it.

I’d be okay with it if Reed was the started and Driskel played a 2006 Tebow type of role.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

My guess is he would probably be more hesitant of the spread option over the spread pass.

just a guess

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

What? If he isn’t a fan of that offense…then why was he considering the Gators to begin with?

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Supposedly

Meyer sold him that with Brantly the O would be more pro style and then that system would be what Driskell played in. Meyer just forget to tell his OC.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Driskel has been the one calling recruits telling them to stick with the Gators, that Will Muschamp is great….etc.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't expect Driskel to flip

From what I had been hearing he basically had shut down the recruiting months ago and he wants to EE. Best move for the kid imo is full speed ahead and hope for the best

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. He still plans to EE and charge right into it. Hopefully it works out.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's my point

The talent is there but with a TE running the offense it’ll be tough to be top 25. Honestly, and I worry that I am highly biased, unless Driskel is a God, I don’t see the QB play being stellar enough to warrant that high of a ranking in 2012 either. However, by 2013 you guys will be scary good on both sides of the ball again.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If Reed had the talent to be a major FBS QB

UF wouldn’t have moved him to TE. If he starts quality defenses will pack everything in and shut down the running and short passing game. It would be a nightmare.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

He was moved to TE because the coaches thought Brantley, Burton could handle the QB role and because Reed can catch. It was nothing over his ability as a QB.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense

Why would you use one guy to pass and another to run if you have a third who can do both at an acceptable level? Especially with Burton being no passing threat at all and Reed having about the same level of athleticism. And who moves a D1 quality QB to TE on a spread team that features multi-WR sets as it’s bread and butter? I refuse to believe that Urban was that idiotic. Any coach either uses him as back up or shirts him for the future.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

That is why they switched to Reed during the season. Their current plan was not working.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

But still used Brantley on passing downs.

Reed can’t even make audibles at the line. Had to have Burton in to do that. That was an abortion of an offense. And I loved it.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering something

and curious to see how you feel. How do you feel about your runningbacks? I look at them and I am not overly immpressed. I just see a bunch of fast guys but not every down type backs. My other friend who is a gator fan was talking and was wondering what happended to Mack Brown (2010 RB recruit)? We thought he would might see the field this year because of his size. Also how do you feel about you guys recievers? My friend wishes Deonte Thompson was told to leave the team an never come back. He doesnt understand why Debose didnt see the field more at wide reciever and he told me you guys have a 6’6 reciever as well who never saw the field. Wanted to know your thoughts.

by feardaspear on Dec 14, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

he may not be that good now

but what I saw (so it’s an opinion) out of him at the beginning of the year was scary. The kid has a good arm and he seemed very decisive and accurate early. I’m thinking that the deluxe snap package had to seriously screw the kid up—maybe as much or more than the increase in the quality of competition. Never knowing where butt-cheek’s brother was going to snap the ball had to take a psychological toll.

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by fmnole on Dec 14, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Demps isn’t going anywhere.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Track perhaps

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I have heard that too,

dropping football to focus on Track. Could happen.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. The only place/person I’ve heard it is from here.

I just don’t see it. But I guess ya never know.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I've heard it on TR

Makes sense if he is serious about competing in the 2012 Olympics. His size will always limit him to a late round NFL grade

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 14, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

What is TR?

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

tharinger.com

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by RaysnNoles on Dec 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I’ll wait until someone in the know says something.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems the guys that run that site are gators.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

theringer?

I think CDrake is a nole.

by arrdub on Dec 14, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure about him, but I've thought KML is a gator.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't tell ya.

Just thought there were 2-3 main guys.

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by tricknole on Dec 15, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

You're probably right

Just wish he would.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would you want that?

Especially since his new bestfriend (Nick Moody) will never see him again if he goes out for track.

by FTSNole on Dec 14, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a gamebreaker

Can go the distance with very little space. He was banged up most of the season, but a healthy Demps is not good for FSU football.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I was joking but...

I don’t think Demps is all that. Speedy home run threat, has he really done anything against FSU? Besides getting chased down by a linebacker or a defensive linemen.

by FTSNole on Dec 14, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You mean chased down after 50yds?

by jasonole59 on Dec 15, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think both UGA and FSU will be much better

on the defensive side of the ball next year because of the second year in a system. If Murray makes the jump next year UGA will surprise. On the flip side I’m not expecting UF’s offense to be far above average next year. Who is going to be trigger man and how will proficient will they be after one year? How will the o-line do with 3 new starters? That isn’t even getting to the skill players.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Murray is a strong quarterback and did well for a freshman

Fisher wanted Murray bad. Richt is trying to save his job next year. I think they will be a lot better.

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Auburn loses a ton, I would change that to a win

Offense
Newton, WR, OT, OG, OG, C
Defense
Fairley, DE, DT, LB, LB, CB, S, S
ST
K, P

USCe – doesn’t lose much so that’s probably a loss
TE, OT, OG

DE, DT, LB, LB

UGA – toss up

3 losses and 2 toss ups = 8-4, came out to about that on my win share spreadsheet also. That’s assuming better D coaching can makeup for losing 6 starters.

by FSUAlum04 on Dec 14, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Start with an 8, sure

I think RIGHT NOW I’d put them at 8-4. I think by the start of next season Vegas will have them at 8.5-9. I think FSU will also be a 9-3 team by Vegas next year.

by MasterWolf on Dec 14, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I get 9-3, but I'm not vegas.

Cupcake #1 .99
Cupcake #2 .99
Tennessee .90
at Kentucky .90
Vanderbilt .95
Furman .99
Alabama .50
at LSU .40
at Auburn .45
Georgia .70
South Carolina .55
Florida State .45

UF expected win total 8.87. Maybe I am overstating them.

by dale gribble on Dec 14, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

.9 for Tennessee?

Are they going to regress? .9 at Kentucky? .7 for UGA?

Here’s mine

Cupcake 0.985
Cupcake 0.985
Vanderbilt 0.985
Furman 0.999
Tennessee 0.7
at Kentucky 0.7
Alabama 0.5
at LSU 0.4
at Auburn 0.45
Georgia 0.5
at South Carolina 0.45
Florida State 0.5

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Cupecake>Furman?

Sucks to be Furman.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

UAB and some other D1

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Fisher year 2 is 50/50 (away) of Musch year 1?

thats sorta depressing.

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I find that number to be pessimistic

Would put us at .55 assuming increased depth and average injuries to DT.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think FSU could be the better team next year and my prediction says as much

But making FSU a favorite in the swamp implies that the ‘Noles are a considerably better team on a neutral site, and I don’t expect that.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to say it.

FSU dominates in the swamp and goes on to win the NC.

by NoleForever on Dec 14, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I see what you're saying

2 point favorites (around 55%) would translate to around 6 points on a neutral field. Not sure if we’re a touchdown better. Still think we’ll be favored in the Swamp however.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Program has come such a long way from 2007 or 2009 in which FSU fans had no hope

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Hope that's not a backhanded way of calling me a homer

If we don’t have dead DLinemen by the 12th game of the season or a total implosion with the loss of Hudson/Ponder, we’ll have what I hope is a top 15 O and a top 25 D.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry about it

I wear the homer tee shirt with pride

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

H'm. I'm thinking if any year its 2011 that that is the case.

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Your Auburn game number

Is that if Cam returns? If he and Fairly both leave I don’t know if I would expect Auburn to win.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No that's with him leaving

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Man you have more faith in the Tigers than me

they just don’t seem to be that deep. I asked a Tiger what does their depth chart at LB look like. His answer was “Slow and white”.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Road games aren't easy

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And Malzahn is still an offensive genius.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you need to flip that percentage against South Carolina that team is young and returns a lot of talent. They only lose 4 starters on Offense and 4 on defense. I think UT and UK numbers are way to high also. 70 for UGA is way to high as well I don’t know man those seems like a reach to me.

by 21nole24 on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I think your win %s are too high for some of those.

I don’t think this UF team beats UT 9 out of 10 times. And maybe not UK but I don’t follow them as closely I don’t know what they look like next year. Also the bamma game, I like Bama more then .50 even if it is in the swamp. Bama’s defense will be lights out next year.

by Blake Davis on Dec 14, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Your prob right about UT

I’d revise that to have .75 vs UT next year, saying UF would win 7 or 8 out of 10.

I still think UF wins 9 out of 10 vs UK. When was the last time they lost to them?

I don’t see UGA improving much, if I did adjust down, it would be by just a bit.

I’m still coming in over 8.5. Hopefully they go through some transitional pains next year and miss a bowl. :)

by dale gribble on Dec 14, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

SoCar lost at UK this year

LSU did when it won it all.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

1986 was the last time Kentucky beat us.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

so 2011 is the year?

I hope so. I will laugh and sing and dance. Bu I still think UK has a 10% chance to win that game.

by dale gribble on Dec 14, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I sure hope not. They have to beat Tenn first. Tenn has beaten them for one year longer. Which is the longest consecutive streak against one opponent.

Gators are #2 in that as well. Bowl streak and victory over Kentucky.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't know why they choose not to spend big bucks on football like every other public in the SEC.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess they pay Phillips adequately.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they spend it all on basketball. They don’t really care all that much about football. But they do like the checks they get at the end of the year.

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by FlaGators on Dec 15, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Although similar

Nothing is a given, hopefully he underachieves and Foley pulls the trigger too early and gets rid of him, that’s a HUGE! stretch but it could happen lol.

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by WinstonSalemNole on Dec 14, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

has anyone checked into

Firewillmuschamp.com? I’m just sayin

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by Ponder This on Dec 14, 2010 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Any Nole fan criticising this hire is an idiot.

My initial thought on receiving the TN tweet was,“Damn that’s an excellent hire.”

He will be very good there, without a doubt.

by nolefansam on Dec 14, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

me too

But I feel like at least there is a chance he fails. And that makes me smile :)

by MasterWolf on Dec 14, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

And what if they swing and miss on an OC?

UF had a top 25 defense and it was likely to improve next season under Meyer. And they had a top 5 recruiting class. I think this hire has the potential to be GREAT, but he doesn’t even have a staff yet. And maybe I’m the only one but every time I’ve seen Texas in the last few seasons their D gets shredded.

by FTSNole on Dec 14, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you're the only one

He’s had excellent defenses for a decade now.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I know his defense is always ranked highly.

And I’ll go ahead and agree that he’s a very good DC but it just seems like I’ve never seen Texas do anything special on defense (in the rare occasion I watch them, which is most likely a BIG game).

by FTSNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Texas' D played pretty well in the NC game

against Alabama. They couldn’t win the game by themselves, but they looked like a very good defensive unit. Perhaps their line got dominated by UAs line, but we all know you can have a very good coordinator and still get dominated in a game.

Alabama went 2-12 on 3rd down in that game, and gained a total of 263 yards. UT had 5 turnovers, too.

UA got 3 TDs off turnovers: one an INT pick six, the other two turnovers gave UA starting field position at the 3 and at the 27— late in the 4Q.

by IndyFSUnole on Dec 14, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

True but Bama's O was in nuetral for at least a quarter.

They were just run run run punt, for almost the entire 2nd half.

by FTSNole on Dec 14, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

All I'm saying is that you pointed out how Alabama physically dominated them up front in the championship game in 09

Did that opinion change or do you believe that domination was caused by people around Muschamp not letting him implement systems that would allow his team to be prepared for such a physical game?

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was caused by Texas' poor S&C program & Texas not allowing oversigning (needed it with more DTs)

Doesn’t this all sound quite Bowden-like? Texas people want that S&C guy gone yesterday.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed it does

I know he’s multiple, but doesn’t he run from a base 3-4? Will this mean system change for UF? Won’t that take a hot second to put in? TWSS

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

He bases from the 4-3

At texas they had more 3-4 against some spread.

Issue I worry about is he was the guy with the huge ends at FSU Jimbo wants to emulate.

Though If I were him I WOULD immediately go to a 3-4 at least half the time because UF has perfect personnel for it/.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Not like Dunlap was small

so big Ends won’t be anything to really worry about. Only problem is that they are our main competition for our big ends. Hope we can hold Fowler and grab Edwards.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Muschamp very close with Edwards father

worked together with the Fins

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Read that

Still, convincing him to come to Texas while STILL IN Texas is one thing. Convincing him to sign with the chief rival of his father’s alma mater is another. I don’t mean to say it can’t/won’t happen, but I think this is a harder sell. If the kid is going to leave Texas anyways, it would appear his first choice would be FSU. Unless Senior has a problem with the handling of the Bobby situation. Now it seems no different than the Christian Jones situation to my eyes (I realize Mus and Edwards are close, but at the end of the day this is a legacy. Doesn’t wrap it up, but doesn’t hurt us either).

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Good thing Pagan de-committed

They were trending towards a 3-4 under Austin as DC already. Powell, Martin, Bostic, and Jenkins are a perfect set of 3-4 LB’s

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 14, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

And IMO the guy who will be the best player in the state on any team next year

Floyd.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

You know if Jaye Howard is going pro?

God I hope so…that guy was a beast in the FSU/UF game this year.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't think so

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

On one leg?

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hurt ankle I think.

got taken out late when he tweaked it. Still, he was the guy that was sitting on Chris Thompson every few plays…

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for noticing

He was a monster late in the year. Made me sick in the nole game when they kept trotting out the seniors, Marsh and Sanders. A three man rotation of Howard, Floyd, and Hunter would be good. And Orr, who redshirted, is the best athlete out of all of them. I’m just not sure he has the heart and killer instinct.

by PullingGuardGator on Dec 14, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't tell that to UT fans.

They think Mack Brown walks on water. I was talking to a UT fan on ESPN.com and I told her Mack Brown was a horrid HC. She told me I was just mad because Texas will never be as bad as FSU.

by FTSNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Many of them don't

But the rest of them can continue to be blind.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

that doesn’t sound familiar at all…

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Bud, you are stating your opinions as facts

Mack Brown’s team definitely would have beaten Saban’s last year if not for the McCoy injury. Any non-blind SEC/Bama/Saban homer knows it.

Brown and Bowden’s records speak for themselves. It is premature to already call Fisher and Muschamp better. I am sure there have been hands on and hands off style coaches that have failed. Sometimes hands on coaches just piss off their assistances and run them off, thus providing no consistency. It is a fine line they walk.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol at your first line

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

If I remember right, they were getting owned

before McCoy went out. 2 or 3 3 and outs? Or close to it.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

“McCoy was 2 of 2 for nine yards when he was injured”

per… http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/01/07/colt-mccoy-leaves-national-championship-game/

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Come on guys. That was 1st quarter.

No telling what would happen the rest of the game.

by NoleForever on Dec 14, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I know. It was the 5th play of the game or so for Texas. I’m part of the belief that ’Bama would have won whether McCoy played or not.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Very true.

However saying they would have won with him is guessing too. I think with or with out McCoy Texas was not the better team. I remember watching that game and being disappointed watching McCoy go down because I wanted a good game. It would have no doubt been a better game, but still think Bama wins by 3-10 points.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Getting owned?

Bama had the ball first and a fired up Texas D stuffed them. Texas got the ball on a punt, then with a mix of plays moved the ball right down into scoring territory. Colt got hurt, then Texas could not even get a touchdown.

If you actually watched the game you would remember this.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, if Bama was so much better

how did Texas mount a furious comeback with Garret Gilbert? Seriously.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

How many times

must people tell you that Bama took the foot of the gas pedal? When Colt was in there Texas couldn’t do anything

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 14, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Subjective to a degree

If I’m not up three scores in the waning minutes then I’m running my offense

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 14, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't remember the specifics,

but do remember being pretty shocked whatever Bama did to end.

by arrdub on Dec 14, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what you want to believe

I find it hard to believe when we constantly see coaches wait until they are up by at least up 24 points or more going into a 4th quarter before letting up. Saban does not seem like such a nice fellow that he would not do the same to be safe.

by nolestuff on Dec 15, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Just because he wouldn't let up doesn't mean the players won't.

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by tricknole on Dec 15, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Going by all the other blowouts in football

that would be a strange exception to the rule, being that it was such an important game.

by nolestuff on Dec 16, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

An exception to the rule?

It happens all the time.

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by tricknole on Dec 16, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If you looked at the play calling it would be obvious

Stark contrast to the first half. Bama was more than content to run 3x and punt in the second half.

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by DKfromVA on Dec 16, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This is too funny. Not that I give a crap about the argument, just that fact that you call out Bud for stating an opinion as fact, yet in your next sentence you do the same identical thing.
Bud, you are stating your opinions as facts
Mack Brown’s team definitely would have beaten Saban’s last year if not for the McCoy injury.

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by FrankDNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nah

that’s a fact. You obviously have trouble distinguishing between the two Frank.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I did state an opinion as if it was a fact

just to counter his. I am clearly just a commenter on here. When I write blogs though I write them like editorials so they sound like opinion pieces. The bad thing about real newspapers dying and people getting information from the web is when people dress up blogs like articles many naive people will take opinions as facts. Now I know that is not Bud’s problem or fault.

by nolestuff on Dec 15, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

In no way is it certain that Texas would've beaten Bama

Bama completely shut it down in the second half. Just incorrect.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Dec 14, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You should really look at McCoy's numbers against top 25 defenses

they do not establish a pattern that would give hope against Alabama. And with the way Alabama ran on Texas’ line in the first half there is no reason to think if McCoy stays in the Horns win.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't that Coach Muffberger's D

The one that is the perfect fit for the Gayterds?

by NoleySmokes on Dec 14, 2010 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

She have asked her

when was the last time FSU didn’t qualify for a bowl?

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 14, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

1978 (32 years)

A good 8-3 team should have gotten a bowl bid that year. They’d gone 10-2 the year before and beaten Texas Tech in the (then) Tangerine Bowl in Orlando. In those days bowl invitations went out before the end of the regular season and there weren’t nearly as many bowls. FSU was 7-3 going into the Florida game and the bowl committees weren’t willing to invite the Seminoles with the chance they’d be 7-4. As it was FSU beat the Gators 38-21 (I think) in Doak. They’ve gone to a bowl every year since.

by Dauntless12 on Dec 14, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Gators are the bridesmaid in that race. Sitting at #2. Just waiting for y’all to miss a bowl so we can claim the top spot. :)

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Keep waiting and hoping, my gator friend.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I plan on it.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't see either program having a losing season soon.

Then again, who thought Texas would this year?

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. And not too long ago, Michigan was pretty high on that list as well.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Michigan had longest winning season streak and bowl streak until two years ago.

Last losing season they had was 1967 and last time they didn’t go to a bowl was 1974.

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by O-Town Nole on Dec 14, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Sucks for them.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Good news: We know Fisher won't pull a Rodriguez-at-Michigan and end all our streaks in his 1st year.

Good news: We don’t know Muschamp won’t pull a Rodriguez and end all of UF’s streaks in his first year.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

For sure.

Jimbo and Will came into the HC positions with similar credentials. Jimbo passed his 1st year test with flying colors. Will hasn’t yet.

In traditionally TN-favored expectations terms, that’s spells ADVANTAGE: FSU.

by arrdub on Dec 14, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Bud who are these people? Anyone who thinks FSU’s S&C was bad pre-Jimbo is right. Anyone who thinks its a step ahead of Texas now is mistaken. To call Texas’ S&C “poor”. . .do we have facts or is a bad year and no questions being asked on the board allow anything to be said?

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It's regarded as poor

They don’t develop their guys well. Physically, they do not look like elite SEC kids. They have a very collegiate feel to their program as opposed to the pro feel at a Bama, LSU, FSU, etc. They are routinely disgusted with the lack of progress in the off-season.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I am still looking for detail on this.

I am a UT alum living in Houston with FSU season tickets. Following both teams passionately, this is the first I’ve heard such a strong statement against Texas S&C program. I have not heard Texas former players in the NFL criticized (pre-draft) or post-draft for not being ready. . . .except Roy Williams who needs stronger hands (I think he needs to see the Wizard of Oz for a heart personally).

Looking at the depth chart, Texas gets their players at SEC size and appears to matchup size-wise with the Alabamas and LSU’s. Would be interesting to see strength comparisons and sizes per top programs and by position for comparison. I still say 1 year of FSUs new S&C is not comparable with any of the teams you mentioned. In a year or two I think it will be but players dont catch up over 1 offseason.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t trying to compare FSU’s size to Bama or LSU, just the off-season attitude.

E-mail mailto:admin@FanTake.com and ask him about the S&C stuff. H runs barkingcarnival

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the email addy

will drop a line.

I think I understand what you are saying. I know that the other programs might be more structured or have some niceties to them that could be implemented at Texas. Focusing in on the results, I dont think Texas S&C can be considered “poor”. LT and Tim Duncan dont use the same offseason programs as other players but I would say the results show they dont need to copy.

Overall if Texas has been as elite as they have been with things being so piss poor (Mack is now the senile CEO, facilities suck, no money to keep assistants, S&C is poor) then the genome of a Texan is as good as we say it is.

Ok threw some of that in their for fun. Just looking at the way the critics (including aggy and sucks) come out when big-time has a down-year.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Think the point is that Texas should be a lot better

It should eval prospects earlier and actually get to know the HS coaches. Should have better S&C, better coaching, discipline, and toughness.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahh this is a holdover question for you and many others from the last thread

what is “a lot better”? Ignoring this year breaking in a new QB and the well documented snowball effect how much more should Texas have won? Can’t really measure body fat% or anything else unless it is head to head game situations or wins. Should Texas play for the National Championship every year?

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Texas should have been at least 8-4

Losses to UCLA (home), Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State are completely unacceptable.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure

Being consistently unable to run the ball. Heck, FSU has pieced together an oline and has a much better run game than Texas has had over the past decade.

I see texas as lacking toughness, killer instinct, discipline, and fundamentals on offense.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

still looking for a number from you

like this. . .from 2000-2009 Texas would have won 18 more games (all that they lost) . . . have 10 straight BCS championships because of a running game and S&C being like Bama . . . . cause to me that would be “much” better.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not just about that. There’s also games like the 35-32 win over UCF.

How about in 2002 where UT scored 27, 17, 17, 21 against NTex, OK State, K-State, and Iowa State?

Lemme work on a total number

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But that is what I am saying. . .

at Texas it is ONLY about that. It isnt about S&C it isnt about rushing yards, completions. ITs about did you win or lose the game, against sucks, or the National Championship.

That same season 11-2. Lost to sucks that year and lost to Tech in a close one. Nobody talks, teases, cares, or remembers about the rest of those games that year.

Going back to what you said earlier, Texas has 3 RB’s in the NFL from the last decade where Texas still ran a spread-type offense a good portion of it. Nobody really cares because it is about winning the games not stats.

Been fun chatting with you and love the fact you will actually respond. Will check back later on as I need to get some things done.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m saying that the cracks in the foundation are evident not only in losses, but also in poorly-played wins against inferior opponents. Like FSU had for much of the decade.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

you keep pointing to 2010

as the case that the program has been sh*t. Look at 2009 and show me the cracks in the foundation you were pointing to. Texas is NOT where FSU was. It could be heading there with this year and the coordinators changing but you wont convince me that the program was floundering and anyone saw it prior to the start of this season. Statistically you can’t show me a number that supports it.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa, never said it has been shit. Said it has underachieved and should be better.

I said you can see cracks in the foundation both in losses and in some wins. We saw that at FSU too. In no way was I saying Tex is where FSU is.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i was being dramatic

I ride hard for Noles and Horns so not used to defending Texas on this site.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe should take a hard look at the Horns.

you still think Brown should be head coach? Texas getting what they pay for?

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

Dont make kneejerk reactions one way or the other

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Get back to us next year on the same subject after

Kirby is gone. Especially if they have the same strength people and OC guys.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

DOH!

Will, not Kirby.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

7 or 8 from 2002-2010. So about 1 per year.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I dropped 2010 as it is an outlier for the decade

at least I hope so as we look from the future. . .

Taking your suggestion that UT should be 1 game per year better. . .

Texas would be: +8 games, average 12 wins a season, have 4 undefeated NC season from 2002-2009. Would be nice but I think it is unrealistic.

If it were doable, nobody would watch college football. Texas would surely pay the guy who could do it if he accepted more than 10 percent tithes.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If you drop 2010 you have to adjust the rate

2010 had 4 really unacceptable losses.

So adjust it to 4 losses between 2002 and 2009.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

so Texas should have lost only 4 games between 2002 and 2009?

That sounds like our expectations as fans now. . . . 14 total losses during the period with only 4 excuseable. . . . Loss to #1, #6, #10, #1, #2, #1, #15, #2 going backwards and excluding non-ranked losses.

Conclusion, Texas should never lose unless playing #1 or #2. I think this of both FSU and Texas so I agree. And really I think they shouldnt lose then.

See now you have me looking for some food. :) Later Bud.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Texas went 90-14 between 2002 and 2009

I am saying they should have gone 94-10.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

thought so but

took the other approach as worst case. not “much better” than what they did in my opinion. will agree with the record projection though.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oversigning is a douche move by a coach

I would never like to see that. Also, any D line will get wore down when the offense keeps turning the ball back over. Again, with Colt McCoy, Texas would have been better on both sides of the ball.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I'm sure none of us want any of our players to make less than an A

It’s the current rule.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I am going to start counting...

everything Bud has to reply to someone who has no idea what they are posting about.

by Gilchrest on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Expectations could run him out, as could a bad OC>

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't see him screwing up the hire.

No one was concerned about Jimbo’s DC search as much as interested to see who it was. That’s mainly due to anything being an upgrade at that point. Same applies here.

by nolefansam on Dec 14, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

FSU D 2009<<<<FL O 2010

UF has tons more talent on the O side than FSU had D talent. I feel Muschamp can easily F this up if he picks the wrong guy/wrong scheme on O. FSU had nowhere to go but up after last year.
 Heres hoping Muschamp F’s this up…. :)

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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 14, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

88th v. 48th

Not close. UF fans may have felt the offense was a disaster, and it was definitely down, but FSU’s 2009 defense was a disaster.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

88th doesn't do our 09 D justice.

I’m sure a few D-2 squads had better overall defenses then us.

by FTSNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

We were carried by the performances of some O's we faced against other teams

and some teams taking their foot off the throttle when they had us down.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah...

like UF at halftime…

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

And Boston College for the 3rd Quarter I believe

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Think that is right.

They went extremely conservative with the lead. Also UNC started throwing bombs and punting on 4th and short instead of just ramming it down FSU’s throat.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

That could be said about this year's defense too though

Reality is a large part of the turnaround in defense was facing lots of bad offenses this year. Kyle Parker personally has to be kicking himself for coming back to college.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Untrue

FSU went from the 88th-best OPPONENT ADJUSTED defense to the 48th-best OPPONENT ADJUSTED defense.

It’s adjusted for opponent. if it weren’t the improvement would look much better.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If you go back and review what FSU's D was giving up to terrible O's last year. and what they did this year there is no question on the improvement.

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by harper.rb on Dec 14, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would Parker be kicking himself?

He is still getting his signing bonus money

by Volstud on Dec 14, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

He had a deal for 2.5 million but they called his bluff and he will now get 1.4 million. Over a million bucks+interest for a craptastic season with Dabo=kicking yourself.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

but he will go out looking pretty bad

as opposed to “wow that kid might have been something in football, too”. i would do the same thing he did, because winners love the challenge, and you’ll never know unless you try. but if you’re wrong, it sure doesn’t feel like the right decision.

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by nole07 on Dec 14, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And both lead to the down year for their respective programs.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

UF's O is not a one year fix imo

They don’t have a legit QB option because they failed to develop Brantly or recruit adequate competition for him. They are replacing 3 o-linemen next season and they need to find a consistent outside threat. Can’t speak on their RBs until we find out what kind of system gates will run.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You have a lot of no nothing gator fans screaming about it though

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Hire

Question is will the fan base allow him time to make changes and if he doesn’t produce immediately what will happen? UF fan & alumni are the bigger question in this picture.

by Burghnole36 on Dec 14, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

I think they'll be realistic, but expect to back near the top of all of cfb by year 3.

Maybe win the division in year 2. I think those are reasonable goals. I think Miami fans will be more unrealistic fwiw.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Smart may not be a lock....

The following articles suggesting (albeit quite weakly) that Muschamp may call his own defense were linked in an AA thread:

http://www.news-press.com/article/20101213/SPORTS/101213018/1075/Florida-coach-Muschamp-may-serve-as-defensive-coordinator

The quote from Purifoy was taken from this ESPN article

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=5912595

by El Soro on Dec 14, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

He's not...

Thought Bud said he turned it down? Or maybe someone else said that?

by MasterWolf on Dec 14, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t hear/read that….I guess some people still think that it might happen though….been out for a few days

by El Soro on Dec 14, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

GatorSports website just before midnight says that Applewhite and Smart are likely to stay despite Smart being offered and UF officials telling everyone that Applewhite would be following Muschamp….

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20101213/ARTICLES/101219834/1136?Title=Report-Smart-leaning-toward-staying-at-Bama

by El Soro on Dec 14, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

CrimsonCorner reported last night (via Twitter) that Smart was staying.

GatorSports.com said this morning that Applewhite was unlikely to follow Coach Boom.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Smart to UGA when Richt is gone

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by GonzoNole on Dec 14, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s alright. We’ll still beat them 9 out of 10 years.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

The programs will be much more evenly matched.

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by RaysnNoles on Dec 14, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

But we almost always beat UGA. :) And we’ve been very evenly matched.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

If I were to bet on the game right now

I’d put money on Richt screwing it up. Even when he has the best team he finds a way to lose that game.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Bear Bryant said the same about UF.

Steve Spurrier showed up…his first offensive drive, 5 plays, 70 yards, touchdown in 1 minute 50 seconds

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

TIME TO [SLEEP]!

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha.

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by FlaGators on Dec 15, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

The joke is "What do UGA and Tech grads have in common?" They didn't go to the University of Georgia.

Georgia has tons of Old Money, and all of the old money people are Georgia fans. Once UGAs administration decides its times to step it up, you’ll see some serious dough start flying around as changes are made. The fans are sort of lackluster about it all and are satisfied, but not quite content, with the results Richt has produced.

If the name that I’m hearing is correct for the new UGA president, things could happen a lot sooner rather than later.

If Saban was coaching at UGA instead of Bama, He’d produce alot more, alot faster, and more consistently than they would at other schools. People make a big deal bout Georgia’s borders, but thats only because Richt plays loosey goosey with the recruits.

The Swami has spoken.

by seminole_swami on Dec 14, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Fans not grads

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

UGA's new AD was Foley's #2 at UF iirc

If he carries the same mentality, I would think he’ll get rid of Richt after one more bad year, then hire someone that will make the most of their resources.

by TonySopraNOLE on Dec 14, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Except...

Georgia has won more times…

by michaeljsweeneyjr on Dec 14, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Only 3 wins in the past 21 years.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone know the size of Muschamp's Auburn defenses?

The ones at Texas were a bit on the small size. But I don’t know if they were small because Muschamp goes that way or by necessity in facing so many spread teams.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Doesn't Bud say it's Saban and Fisher's philosophy that size is the way to stop the spread?

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Spread option more accurately

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So does the same work for the spread?

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think so but there are different principles involved so perhaps not as much.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 15, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Can anyone offer up

What Muschamp might prefer on O? Does he hire a Pro-style guy? Wouldnt that mean an adjustment period to get the system right—even if Brantley stays?
Or does he take a Spread-guy that would offer a similar system to the players already on campus?
It just seems to my my uneducated outlook, Muschamp’s UF success is going to depend primarily on the offense. His D will be very, very potent.

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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

A guess based on a few factors

Spread. I don’t think he’ll want to undergo a 2-3 year building process of a pro-style. He was looking at Holgorsen and I think he goes in that direction.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Dec 14, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Still, spread to pass =/= spread option

They are going to need to go after some slightly different personnel. And fix Brantley for next season. And start a true sophomore/RS Frosh the year after. There’s a window to be had here.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

They won’t have a flawless transition, but I think he’ll try to minimize it. Lots of expectations and he knows it.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Dec 14, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Comparing to Jimbo Fisher:

He got Stoops, Hudson and Gran to improve the 3 weakest areas of the team. Not trying to sound homerish, but those hires are probably a 9+ on a 10 scale.
If Muschamp is able to pull something like that, UF may be back in the SECCG next year, since they have better players than Fisher did when he took over.

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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 14, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

But it is a lot tougher to rebuild an offense than it is to rebuild a defense, FWIW.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Dec 14, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they will be

They lose some OL. They still have to teach SOME QB to read defense. They might be able to parse together a power running game somewhere, but I think they will likely be >2010 Gators but <2009 Gators and <<<2008 Gators for next year and the year following (on offense).

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

They have tons of talent on O and a huge OLine....

…those are nice building blocks to have

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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 14, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

It helps, for sure

But a change in scheme is difficult regardless of personnel.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Dec 14, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

They lose 4 out of 5 on their Oline though.

I am sure their replacements are talented and huge but thats a LOT to replace.

by Blake Davis on Dec 14, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

depending on Spurlock and Datko

FSU may need to replace 3 of 5.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Datko? shoulder again?

Spurlock concussed?

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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 14, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Not Datko

The entire interior.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, forgot the center ohhh

what’s his name. HAHA. McMahon. FSU could easily be looking at losing 4 lineman as well. Scary thought. McMahon, Hudson graduating. Spurlock brain damage, Datko, two (? I think two) bad shoulders now.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Correct.

No telling how much knife Spurlock needs to get fixed up or if he is even fixable.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Was it two games or once in fall practice then in the season. Can't remember.

Forgetting the second time that ended the year for him. Boston College maybe? Was just standing there when the ball was getting snapped or something crazy like that.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Knife for Spurlock? Is there a surgery for Concussions?

Or did you mean Datko?

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Advanced

concussionitis surgery. Removes concussed parts of brain.

No, no, you are right, mean Datko with the knife.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Only for Trickett

But you have to have the part of your brain responsible for feelings taken out…

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Feelings? There's no crying in Footbal

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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 14, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

They lose 4 oline starters

Look how long it took Trickett to bring our oline back up to par. What was exasperating was listening to some of our clueless FSU fans screaming how Trickett recruits skinny lineman. He was getting the best he could at the time considering what shape the program had been left in.

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

They also get back a guy who would have started but for injury

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

but for

listen bud( generic term, not your name), you aint in law school no more

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by Miaminole on Dec 15, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

And we have to acknowledge that FSU was very lucky to have Gran come open

It may be the case that some guys just aren’t coming open. Fish can’t bite if they ain’t swimming.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Not overly impressed with special teams.

Well, half of special teams. Punt returns and kick off returns (KO returns first 3/4 of season especially) were awful. Watching Greg Ried field the ball on punt returns only to look up and have 4 or 5 guys with a bead on him. Wasn’t very good. Want that fixed. Punt and KO coverage however were excellent.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Very unimpressed with special teams.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, overall, significantly worse than last year if I'd have to say.

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by tricknole on Dec 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a good one. When he was at Auburn, I kept saying to myself at least he isn’t at Tenn, UGA or FSU. Then he went to Tenn I kept saying to myself “Thankfully he isn’t at FSU or UGA”…and then all of the sudden I look up and he is at FSU. And I’m thinking to myself. “Damn. This dude is hitting up all the rivals”

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta be honest in that, that is not what I was hoping to hear. I’ve called him (Gran) a snake before. And what I mean by snake is that he is too damn good at what he does for rival schools.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Could this also be why Auburn gave their OC a raise?

I really do not see the Vanderbilt job as anything anyone would want, but then again I guess it would be a head coaching job.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Word on ThaRinger

saying the UF coaching staff is going to be underwhelming. Rumors flying as usual.

by Burghnole36 on Dec 14, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Damn, are they going cheap? (Being somewhat facitous.........somewhat)

Muschamp is a great hire, no doubt. But he was a cheaper option than Stoops or Petrino. We’ll have to see how things play out but I’d think they’d be able to get a great staff. Surprising

by westcoastnolefan on Dec 14, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

It will play out in their favor

Muschamp can now pay more for assistants

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What big names are really out there though?

I think this is sort of like the Gruden affect, where Miami talking him up makes Golden look like crap. Reports talking up Smart will make any other DC look like crap. Reports of getting Dana Holgosren will make any other OC look like crap. Doubt the gates will be cheap.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Did I miss something?

Where was the report that Meyer was forced out?

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

They aren't going to report that

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad

I’m not the only one that thinks that.

by andrewmaxwell on Dec 14, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I am sure he was

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

His lack of reaction to the Muschamp hire

was pretty funny. Some people think he (Meyer) wanted to sort of lord over the football side of the house by weight of presence and knew with the Muschamp hire that wasn’t going to happen.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Forced out but kept around?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/14441755/meyer-staying-in-gainesville-a-doomsday-clock-for-muschamp

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by GonzoNole on Dec 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So far it is looking that way. And that is a mistake of an idea.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrible idea

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

= Foley overrated.

At least more evidence of that.

I think he looks good because he’s in a talented state with insane resources available to him. But the couple blemishes on his resume dim his glow, in my opinion. He covers up his mistakes with cash.

by arrdub on Dec 14, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

no problem if they did

based on his recanted retirement the year before i would have questioned his dedication. I want to see the book though. I am also suprised to hear Bill Stewart is being questioned for a potential 10-win season. Just silliness abound this time of year.

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he is being questioned about being a moron.

See 2nd half strategy in the Gator Bowl.

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Les Miles goes nowhere with the talent he has

then Bill Stewart HAS to stay at West Virginia. What more could they possibly think they will get?

BTW they got beat by a better team in that Gator Bowl. . . .shoulda seen it comin :)

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

No excuse for him not winning the Big East

Almost every year they are the most talented team and every year they drop at least 2 games they have no business losing. With TCU coming they need to get in shape or get prepared to get crushed.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think people overrate WVU.

They were nothing but an average program before the ACC raided the Big East. They had like two 10 wins seasons going back to the mid/late 80’s. And Pitt and WVU are both huge disappointments in that conference the past several years.

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

They were starting to come around right before ACC expansion...

I remember watching good Miami teams sweating out some games against them. From there, they had a great string of success in BCS games against traditional powers. But I think their time passed, with RichRod leaving.

by arrdub on Dec 15, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Story Broken by TN

/jokes

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It was told to me that

Urban needed to start working the hours that he did 2005-2009, hire a better staff, and be fully committed.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed, it would have been very unwise for him to go back to doing what made them win.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He fell on the sword so he wouldn’t have to fire any of his coaches. That is my belief. Health issues were there but I’m not buying that as the reason.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that I agree since falling on the sword almost guarantee's most, if not all, of the assistants get canned anyway.

But I also am not convinced it was a 100% health issue and I sure as hell don’t buy the family crap.

I think he knew his heart was not into coaching and into Gainesville (despite his professed love of the area), he has made enough money to retire (for now at least), and felt just enough pressure to say screw this, I’m outta here.

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by FrankDNole on Dec 14, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was more than likely a little of both. But when he announced that Addazio would be back…that was pretty much the end.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The secret word is he “fell on the sword” per say to keep his coaches. Everyone was hoping that Addazio would get the Indiana job so that no feelings would get hurt.

That didn’t happen…so then………Yep.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Heard something interesting about that

Co worker of mine says that it’s possible that Brantley’s dad has enough power and influence that he could have helped push Meyer out due to the way his son was treated throughout this entire year ( and previous years for that matter). Apparently, Brantley’s dad donates BIGTIME bucks to the uf athletic dept., enough to “run the football team” (m co- worker’s words, not mine).

by CurtOFD78 on Dec 14, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a former player, but I don’t know if he has that much power. There are bigger boosters. The Griffin family for example.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown and Richt: Not equal to Bowden

Do you really believe they are as inept at Bowden was during the last 5 years? I realize you are referring to their mentality when placing them in the same category, but there’s some ambiguity. Unless you know that their direct involvement in the program mirrors that of an 80 year old man. Wouldn’t you say, at worst, Mack Brown is comparable to a mid-1990s Bowden since he is still identifying and recruiting elite talent?

Also, do you know for a fact that Muschamp lobbied for changes? Maybe he’s just a spineless yes man who doesn’t speak up when he sees a need. We can hope.

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Mack Brown

is like 2002 or 2003 Bowden I would say. What might keep Mack from sinking too low is realizing he needs good people around him. If he insists on crap assistants being around him, then it will be the Lost Decade 2.0: Texas Style. And you know how they do things in Texas….

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know that Brown hiring and defending incompetence.

Greg Davis has been with Mack since UNC but it doesn’t look like he had too much difficulty letting him go. I’m not discounting the pressure TX placed on him, but Davis was only 1 year removed from a NC game appearance. It looks like Brown is still willing to win, and has yet to hire his daughter.

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 11:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He should have fired him in 2003

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, one bad year and he should have went back in time and fired him

in 2003 to prevent that one bad year, even knowing he would win a NC and play for another with that guy? Wow, just wow. What is the logic in that?

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

They would have been much better with someone else. Davis is a poor coach roundly criticized by others who follow the sport.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I am just saying

I doubt with any other OC Texas would have done much better on offense all those years prior to this one, nor won any more national titles. Many people criticize Fisher, and not just internally, but that does not make him a poor coach necessarily.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think you're wrong

With a better OC texas would have won more games and there are many, many better.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

They won a fair amount

So the OC was the problem, and not the S&C, other things you mentioned earlier? With a bad OC, and all these other problems every year over the last ten should have been as bad for them as this one.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes he should have just like we should have fired the Bowden clan

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Furman

Are you calling my alma mater bad? Granted, they are a I-AA school, but they have always fielded a solid club. ;)

by CJS55 on Dec 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

You're shopping for a new HC, no?

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Rumour that the coach who just stepped down at Vandy may take the job, but I seriously doubt that (Bobby Johnson connection). I think I would give 5 years of my life to have the Paladins beat UF. My firm is full of Gator alums, including a Bull, and they would never live it down, especially if it were consecutive weeks of Furman and FSU beating them – I would likely be fired if that occurred.

by CJS55 on Dec 14, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Gators played Furman in 1981. Won 35-7.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

My bad.

I sure thought uf lost to a team like that during that time. Oh well, In the past any way.

by NoleForever on Dec 14, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I’m sure they have. In 1979 for example, the Gators went 0-10-1.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I visited Furman for a conference back in 2002 (i think it was 02)

Loved the campus and loved the purple FU shirts. I had to buy one!

by Bokata on Dec 14, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Lived there for 5 years

If my wife would be willing to move there I would go. I’m a lawyer, you think I could find work there?

by CJS55 on Dec 14, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you really believe they are as inept at Bowden was during the last 5 years?

No, definitely not.

Also, do you know for a fact that Muschamp lobbied for changes? Maybe he’s just a spineless yes man who doesn’t speak up when he sees a need. We can hope.

Yes.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

Bud approved my comment that Muschamp is a spineless yes man!

You can take that to the bank.

But seriously, I appreciate your fair analysis. And I fully anticipate the same when you post your diatribe on Da U. Is there a reason that TN is heavily plastered on the 979espnradio web site?

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They are cutting and producing our podcasts in exchange for some content sharing.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

…if Muschamp can go 9-3, it should be considered an enormous success. But will it?

I’d take it with two hands.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

But you are uncharacteristically reasonable

for a Gator.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Just wondering

Bud do you personally know Fisher or Muschamp?

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Muschamp, no. Fisher, we've met a few times.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Does his house smell of rich Mahoghany? Any leather-bound books?

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

He's very important.

"Grown ass men ain't not gonna use the process" (or something like that)

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by 4-3ZoneShell on Dec 14, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Bud in an airport once

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't you dare

Don’t you even dare.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAH

oh man, that made me laugh really hard

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by Miaminole on Dec 15, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Go ahead and brag Bud

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by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 14, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Met as in a passing hello with a handshake?

or actually getting to talk to him for a minutes?

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What is a visit?

Does every refresh count as a hit? Or is a visit each time someone goes to the main page? Averaging 200,000 unique visits per month is beyond belief. Knowing how often many of us visit, I can buy the 200,000 monthly hit average.

Don’t mean to get too personal, but how does this site/ you make it financially without membership fees? I feel like I’m stealing. Nothing that feels this good should be free.

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by FLpanhandler on Dec 14, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i feel like i'm stealing too

and have wondered the same thing…

by ajm05j on Dec 14, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just wondering

I have read your articles before where you have mentioned what drove Fisher crazy under BB and I didn’t know if you had talked with him about it or if it was your educated opinion.

by rllewis on Dec 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Have talked to people who are familiar with the situation

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's what I've never understood

Bobby didn’t WANT to lose, he had to understand in the end that was bad for him. It wasn’t HIS money Jimbo wanted to spend on infrastructure. Sure, he would have still kept his inept friends on staff, but why not try these ideas Jimbo had to see if it would help us win. We were coming off of mediocre season after mediocre season before Jimbo stepped in so it’s not like he could say “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.” I just will never understand the unwillingness to TRY something that MAY improve your situation. Hell, if he had done that he might have gotten the extra years he wanted because maybe we win a few more games with players better prepared to play the game.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think

He had a god complex I just think he wasn’t ready to let go. I don’t blame him for not taking a lesser roll I would have turned that down also. It is just a shame that he could not see that the game had passed him by.

by rllewis on Dec 14, 2010 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think

He thought he still could turn things around himself and that he still had the best way to do it. I know that he is very competitive and that could have blinded him also. It’s all speculation and no one really knows I have also seen where I work that a lot of the older people either don’t like or are scared of change.

by rllewis on Dec 14, 2010 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I doubt he had a god complex

Things like that are hard to hide behind a persona for 30 plus years. I think the more likely answer is that people who are highly successful believe they know what they are doing, even when they don’t. Bobby probably felt he knew how to make a champion and was trying to follow his same ol blueprint. Not to turn this into an old people joke but how many old ladies in the store have you seen use checks? How long did it take some of the elderly people you know to get used to cell phones or computers? When you have been doing certain things for 60 or so years it can be hard to grasp that a different way is suddenly needed.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

sad really

his belief that he still could get it done coupled with the fact that he put guys like amato ahead of our next coach is what brought us the lost decade. he is FSU football but he had to hear the whispers.

by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 14, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Who says BB did not try?

Because he won without some of that stuff before, it was probably the school thinking he was making excuses by asking for it. We know he wanted an indoor facility. Yet Fisher comes along, and suddenly instead of being excuses they are reasons. That is the problem with success versus someone new though.

by nolestuff on Dec 14, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Because there is no reason to think he gave any effort to anything except keeping his job and employing family/ friends

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If Bobby had asked for a larger support staff

He would have gotten it. Instead he told Jimbo no.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like he wanted to win

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Bud

what do you think about the oversigning process and how many programs do this?

http://oversigning.com/

by LincolnHighNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Think FSU should and will oversign like a maniac unless they change the rule

Academic scholarships are not guaranteed. It’s not about effort.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks

I wonder about the future advantages and rule changes. I hope future rules take into account what is best for the student athlete.

by LincolnHighNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Should we make schools guarantee academic scholarships?

Band scholarships?

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

id like to see kids who get injured

Kicked off the team instead of taking up bench space.

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by Ponder This on Dec 14, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I never thought of it like that

but allowing the 85 limit at the end of the year is scetchy. Now I know why three of our boys got the boot towards the end of the season and not the beginning.

by LincolnHighNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

FSU actually didn't boot them

They wanted out.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Helps to show them 'they want out'

by never playing them…

Not saying that is a bad thing. If they aren’t getting it done in practice they don’t play, they want out. Great system to me.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah OB

I aint sayin its bad, but man after reading about it, I hope future rule changes help the student athlete by allowing them to transfer without a penalty or something.

by LincolnHighNole on Dec 14, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It is better than the old Bear Bryant method

Toss them the football and let everybody on the team tackle them

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 14, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Band scholarships aren't like football schollies, not even close.

Most D-1 schools either waive your out-of-state tuition or give you a small amount, $500 or less/semester, for being in the marching band. Even at a school like FSU with a huge, very well respected fine arts program, getting a full ride scholarship from the music department is incredibly difficult and rare. You usually see Japanese piano prodigies and cello virtuosos from the Ukraine with those.

And, they aren’t guaranteed. They can be pulled if you fail to perform up to standards.

by tuckwell on Dec 14, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It is ironic

How I hear many fans say they prefer college football over pro football, but they want more and more things to basically make it pro football.

The NCAA should take hold of over signing. It is not fair that some conferences and programs suffer because they do the right thing.

If any of us had a son get a scholarship offer only to end up at a school then him not actually have that scholarship like what Les Miles did to one kid, because more guys made it in than he expected, we would be furious as a parent. Do you not agree?

by nolestuff on Dec 15, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

How would they do it?

I like to think I would be educated on the chance my son could lose his scholarship, just like he could with an academic scholarship.

I do think what Les Miles did is really shitty and should not occur.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 15, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

What did Miles do?

I don’t really have a problem with oversigning because there’s still the NCAA GSR and APR you have to obey by. And other scholarships, as you mention, aren’t guaranteed.

I do think the NCAA should probably regulate how much programs can spend though, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they limited it one day. Didn’t they crack down on recruiting trips after Willie Williams? They limit things like how big a football media guide can be and not allowing players to see their names on scoreboards when entering the field on recruiting trips. I don’t think spending should be cut, necessarily, just capped at a reasonable level for upper tier (top 25?) BCS programs.

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by tricknole on Dec 15, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Was this that one OL/DL they signed last year?

Can you be more specific? haha

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by tricknole on Dec 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Trick look up Eliot Porter

He shows a problem with over signing. LSU assumed only a certain number of kids would qualify. Well, lo and behold, more qualified than expected. So Miles, who had not asked Porter to gray shirt before he enrolled and was attending classes came to Porter and told him he would have to. You know what they say about assuming.

by nolestuff on Dec 16, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

So it was the OL/DL guy.

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by tricknole on Dec 16, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't they just make all schools only offer as many scholarships as they

currently actually had available? Seems simple enough, and would level the playing field.

by nolestuff on Dec 16, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Great article

I don’t get too excited or worried about a head coaching hire unless the guy’s last name is Saban. Too many other factors go into making a good team besides one man. Muschamp is going to have a tremendous amount of pressure on him. 4 loss seasons aren’t acceptable in Gainesville anymore.

by tpamike on Dec 14, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

need direction here

I’m still struggling with the whole uf versus FSU money thing. Just re-read the “What it takes to be successful article”. What I don’t understand is, other than paying assistant coaches more, how is that greater income properly utilized to achieve success on the field? What does/should uf be spending it on? What don’t they already have? What would FSU spend extra revenue on after the indoor practice facility and assistant coaches’ salaries?
If there’s another article you want to reference me to I’m cool with that.

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by slumgullion on Dec 14, 2010 11:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Staffers, academic support, facilities, internships

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Recruiting

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by RaysnNoles on Dec 14, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No, definitely not

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

But an SEC switch doesn't solve it either unless we get some SEC boosters too ;)

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Bud, do you believe Jimbo or Muschamp will ever want to give the NFL a shot like Saban did?

I know Muschamp was on Saban’s staff in Miami, and to me Jimbo doesn’t seem like the NFL type.

by fsunole23 on Dec 14, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't think so

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How much do you think FSU would be willing to pay Jimbo best case?

Would FSU ever fork out at least 3 mil a year like Miami did for Coker towards the end or do we just not have those funds???

by cerebralfish on Dec 14, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

$3M is doable. $5M in 2015 is tough.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

From the day Jimbo got to FSU

I’ve felt he would be a top notch coach. Im not sure I would trade him for any other coach in the country. With that said, sometimes I worry about our ability financially to keep him. At the same time I’m not sure what job he would want to leave us for either. I hope FSU is willing to do whatever it takes to keep this guy.

by cerebralfish on Dec 14, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And I will hope he does whatever he can to keep FSU.

I’m hoping he is happy with 3m/yr for perpetuity and loves FSU, Tallahassee, and the program so much that he would do it for free. I hope he turns down everry other program no matter the offer because of his love for FSU. Of course, only if he is winning championships.

And while we’re hoping. I will hope for a big raise and a new car.

by dale gribble on Dec 14, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

say we win the ACC championship in '11 and '12 and win it all in '12

what type of increased funding could we expect?

A guess at increased booster contributions would likely be arbitrary, but how successful would we have to be to get competitive funding?

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by NorthernHaze on Dec 14, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Increased funding from who?

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be there

But still nothing close to the SEC teams we wish to be similar to.

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by AMFKNole on Dec 14, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's more about time and graduates and less about winning

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Todd Combs!

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by mobaynole on Dec 14, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he want to donate to FSU?

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

yes.

supposedly. We’ll see if the money flows though.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. That’s what I wanted to know.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

woot woot

This guy combs sounds all right. Even better than the Donald pimping for UM.

by dale gribble on Dec 14, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The indoor facility was just recently said to be delayed at least a year.

Is your info more recently?

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by tricknole on Dec 14, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a possible

successor to Buffett as a CEO, not Buffett’s heir. Means he will be a wealthy man, but not an uber wealthy guy, at least not for many years until he accumulates enough stock options. But yes having more ppl like him would be a great start.

I also doubt he is the source of funding for the IPF, as up until now he has worked at a relatively small and obscure hedge fund (less than a billion AUM). Not the kind of place where you make the kind of $$ to write $10m checks to give away.

Give him some time…

by TuckNole on Dec 14, 2010 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bud - do you happen to know the beach area/town where Fisher/Muschamp own a home?

I’m just cruious. I’m a big fan of Florida beaches and just wondered if they were too.
I never heard Jimbo even talk about beaches (like Bobby did). I thought Jimbo was into hunting/fishing when he takes off … which it seems isn’t too often.
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by pikefan on Dec 14, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Thought it was Destin

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

that would make sense

nicest beach on the NWFL coast, and definitely plenty of people who have money vacation there.

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by nole07 on Dec 14, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally I like Pensacola Beach, Navarre…etc. That area.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Destin to

Pcola-all nice

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Panama City would be great

The beach is great. However all the stuff that comes with it….yikes.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah that is true.

that area is nice. Really once you get west of the nightmare than can be Panama City that coast is awesome.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

east of Panama City

Cape San Blas, Indian Pass, St George Island. theyre all better than any beaches to the west, less tourists and no high rises

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by NorFla_Nole on Dec 14, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Must not have see all the beaches to the west...

not all of it is high rises and endless tourists.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, not all of it, but Destin and PCB for sure

but as far as beaches go its hard to top the State Park on Cape San Blas, it was the #1 beach in the country back in like…idk…2002 or something

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by NorFla_Nole on Dec 14, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Seaside, Watercolor Beach, Rosemary Beach

and tons more between Destin and PC Beach. Some of the most expensive, nicest real estate in Florida. If you’ve seen “The Truman Show” with Jim Carey, you’ve seen Seaside.

by tuckwell on Dec 14, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Dog Island

home to the fattest redfish this side of China. Well, maybe the Space coast has some big ones from watching Addictive Fishing with Blair Wiggins.

I get a hard on watching those bronze bombers tailin’.

But Saint George island is the ish if you have a 4 wheel drive. Go to the east end of the island and there is some good wade fishin too.

by LincolnHighNole on Dec 15, 2010 6:52 AM EST up reply actions  

My mom lives in the Plantation on St. George

Outstanding fishing.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 15, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

ahhhh the plantation....

good times

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by NorFla_Nole on Dec 15, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice place

real nice spot.

My friend owns a beach house there next to some one from Quincy who invested in Coca-Cola many years ago.

During WW2 Lanark Village was used as training for the invasion of Normandy. St.George Island as well.

by LincolnHighNole on Dec 16, 2010 6:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I can attest to Space Coast having the reds

pulled 45 inch plus fish on a weekend basis. It is where I grew up. Now if you want fish you can eat, the North does just fine.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 15, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Slot Busters

yeah, when I see Captain Wiggins floating a top water plug next to some tailin’ redfish I am jealous.

I have never been fishing on the East Coast of FL, but I would definitely like to try the flats on the Space Coast.

Looks epic on TV.

Also, I would quit fishin’ for one year if I nailed a 45 incher. Cant do much better than that.

by LincolnHighNole on Dec 16, 2010 6:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It is a lot of fun

catching a monster fish in 2-5 feet of water. Put a buddy of mine on a 48 inch red one time. His face, haha, man he was so happy.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 16, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. But my favorite is Pensacola Beach. I grew up in Fort Myers. I like those types of beaches.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i grew up in P'cola

and P’cola beach isnt nearly as nice as Destin or Navarre. i hear Navarre is significantly more built up now than it was a few years ago, but there’s still more going on in Destin, combined with the relative newness of the area, to make it ideal. my family is in Louisiana, and the ones who had enough money went to Destin, while the others went to Orange Beach and Perdido, if that puts it in perspective.

but yes, before the hurricanes forced the sand dredging, the sugar white beaches were by far the nicest beaches i have seen anywhere on the eastern side of the country. i hear its starting to look that way again, and man do i miss it.

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by nole07 on Dec 14, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Navarre is great. It is more built up than say 10 years ago, but it still has a decent “small town” beach feeling.

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by FlaGators on Dec 15, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

you must not be married

Their wives own a beachhouse together

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by Ponder This on Dec 14, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Money =/= Always Winning

See NY Yankees. They do win a lot, but they do not always win it all. The Giants won this year and their team salary was half of the NYY.

Not saying that it doesn’t help, but there are things money can’t buy.

by NoleFanVA on Dec 14, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

soooo

chances of winning with money>>>chances of winning without money???

Especially in college football. Pro sports, to me at least completely different situation but even there it helps to have quality everything.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Money does not guaranty winning.

If it did, the Redskins would be the best in the NFL. But if you figure out how to spend your money wisely, it makes winning a lot easier. Look at the Yankees in the last 15-20 years. Once Steinbrenner got out of his own way, the Yankees won a lot more than they lost..

by nolesontop on Dec 14, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hail to the Redskins!

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes! See ya on Sunday tuckwell. As usual.

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by FlaGators on Dec 15, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Caps in football no?

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 14, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally satisfied

Personally, i would rather have seen Muschamp end up there than either Mullen or Leach. It’s just the simple fact that he is a Defensive minded coach. I think Jimbo might have mentioned something to this extent – correct me if im wrong – but defenses are easier to fix than offenses, offenses have alot more intricacy. right now Florida’s offense is in shambles…and they hire a defensive minded coach. They definetly have the talent to right the ship, but in my mind there’s not that many GREAT offensive minds (like Jimbo) that are not already head coaches – correct me if im wrong again -. I think finding someone with great talent teaching the offensive side of the ball is harder to find then someone teaching the defensive side…Guess we have to see who they hire as OC in the end though.

by O-townNole227 on Dec 14, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

Leach? Gross.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Gross

I don’t know who uses the word “gross” to classify coaches, but look at the stats, Leach is a proven Winner.

by O-townNole227 on Dec 14, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Leach is very overrated

He completely ignores the defensive side of the ball, doesn’t like to recruit and doesn’t like to fund raise. Those are a majority of a HC’s duties. He is a glorified OC and people are dazzled because he put up a ton of points. The second he left TT started pulling in better in state players.

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

I would agree those are some poor qualities to have in a head coach, I can definetly see him as not so much of a people pleaser. All i was getting at was that if Florida had hired a great offensive minded coach, they would still have gotten a Great defensive cordinator, it might not turn out that way

by O-townNole227 on Dec 14, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

But if a coach doesn't value defense or recruiting

what are the odds he hires people talented in areas he doesn’t value? And any team he runs will still be at a disadvantage on the trail

by osceolafan2.0 on Dec 14, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Leach is 13-33 vs. ranked opponents at TTech.

The guy had no running game and no defense. His best year was a 3rd place finish in the Big 12 South and he couldn’t even contend for a few top notch recruits in arguablt the most talent-rich state in the nation. He’s an insane pirate. I would love nothing more for him to be a coach at UF or Miami because our staff would coach circles around him.

by FTSNole on Dec 14, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the question would be what the coach's record

before Leach was vs. ranked opponents and how well did Leach’s team compete vs ranked team in the losses and vice versa.

by cerebralfish on Dec 14, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Spike Dykes was the coach of Texas Tech before Leach. He lead the team to a couple of bowl wins.

I don’t know about ranked opponents or anything…but..according to the ’pedia. He had an overall record of 82-67-1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_under_Spike_Dykes

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Leach at UM would have been scary. Leach at UF would be laughable

at UM you need a gimmick with all of the things going against you (stadium, fans, money). Leach’s offense would do well there and he would be able to get a defensive coach to cover that side of the ball. No he won’t raise money but at UM there is surely no expectation for that.

BTW, Tech technically tied for 1st place in the Big12 South in Crabtrees last year (2008).

by WarHorn79 on Dec 14, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

in addition

you can use the word “gross” to classify an animal though, like a Gator.

by O-townNole227 on Dec 14, 2010 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Nah. But jorts on the other hand.

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by FlaGators on Dec 14, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

im waiting on frank to drop another jort picture on us

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by nole07 on Dec 14, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Horrible idea.

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by FlaGators on Dec 15, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

New one up

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/12/14/1875977/canes-hire-of-al-golden-may-signal-the-u-isnt-in-it-to-win-it

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 14, 2010 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

"Bowden provided no leadership and his staff was dysfunctional . . ."

Wrong. From ‘76 to ’01 a key to the program’s success was Bobby’s leadership and functional staff. He did a great job retaining talented assistants, which directly contributed to the fact that no other coach has or will ever have a run like he had, which includes a 14 year of top 5 run. And he didn’t quit, like Urban quit. He was not always a “CEO” type, either. Watch some early pregame clips. When he was Jimbo’s age, he was as hands on as Jimbo will ever be. No need to bash Bobby

by 89Nole on Dec 14, 2010 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

Can't we bash Bobby for

02-09 when he took a hands off approach and made poor hiring decisions to replace staff that left?

by Meehl on Dec 14, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Dec 15, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I think he did a fantastic job and those were eaisly some of his best years. :)

Not like the 90’s when the guy scared the heck out of me.

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by FlaGators on Dec 15, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

But what he did 76-01 has no bearing on how he interacted with Jimbo

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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