Florida State Recruits Get An Early Start
by Bud Elliott on Dec 17, 2010 12:58 PM EST
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PrintThe 'Noles are having their best recruiting year in a decade and are in contention for the top overall class in the country. But FSU's coaches won't have to wait 'till July to get their hands on many of the recruits. As many as ten Florida State recruits will be forgoing their Spring semesters of high school and enrolling at Florida State in less than a month to begin their college careers. They are RB Devonta Freeman (rumored), OL Jordan Prestwood, JUCO OL Jacob Fahrenkrug, OL Trey Pettis, OL Sterling Lovelady, DE Aaron Lynch, JUCO DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine (expected), DT Nile Lawrence Stample (maybe), LB Terrance Smith and DB Keelin Smith (rumored).
What is early-enrolling? If a recruit has enough credits to graduate from high school without a Spring semester, he may enroll in college in the Spring. There is no limit on how many players may early enroll.
There is a scholarship benefit for early-enrolling. Each year a school can have 25 players per recruiting class. However, if a recruit enrolls early, the school may be able to count him back to the previous class.
Example: In the 2010 class, a school enrolled 21 players. Thus, the school could bring in 29 total recruits this cycle, if 4 of them counted back to the 2010 class, because there were four unfilled spots from the 2010 class. (25-21=4).
While there is no limit on the number of players who may early enroll, there is a limit on how many of those may count back to the previous class.
The benefits to early-enrolling for the player are obvious. Players get six months of a college strength and nutrition program that they would not normally receive. In that span, they could put on as much as 20 lbs of muscle and radically transform their bodies. And they get to participate in Spring ball, learning the plays and getting acclimated to the speed and intensity of the college game. Without enrolling early, it is very difficult for freshmen to make a significant contribution.
If a player has the grades, and his school allows the practice, he really should enroll early. In the world of major college football, not availing himself of the six months of benefits puts him behind the eight ball. And for what, prom? Basketball? Baseball? Unless the recruit has a pro or college future in one of the Spring sports, he should enroll early.
This is another area in which FSU fell behind Florida and other elite programs during the lost decade. With ten potential early-enrollees, it is safe to say FSU has closed the gap in this area and is now with the times.
For more on Florida State Recruiting, please visit the recruiting board.
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This is huge for the program.
Im so excited about this class I can barely contain it.
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and it's not just this class
it’s what this class is continuing from last year and how it will set the trend for the future.
Hi Urban, meet Jimbo.
Great to get these guys in early
Gets them into the S&C program earlier and on a heavy lifting schedule since they don’t have to play or even really practice yet. It also frees up more recruiting time as we don’t have to keep talking to them to keep them in the fold.
I think we can back date 3 more because McCloud, Smiley, and Luc were EE last year and were more than likely counted as part of the 2009 class.
This was hypothetical
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Bud...
Read on another board that Lynch is in as well, have you heard anything?
Sure that he is
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This is better than Honey-dipped Fried Chicken.
by NOLEmercy3 on Dec 17, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
This is better then resignation letters from incompetent OC's...
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No shot at Clowney.
With that out of the way, you said we’ll have as many as 9 foregoing their spring semesters of HIGH school. Maybe just make it school?
First I’d heard about Smith. That’d be good news.
And do you or anyone (not you TexasNole) know whether the high schoolers are actually signing LOI’s or if it’s just grant in aid forms? I don’t recall ever hearing in years past that they signed actual LOI’s.
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Also hadn't heard about Smith
Hope it comes to fruition,
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Grant forms for the HS kids
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Those are non-binding right?
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Think they may be binding for a year
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I know if they take 1 class they are bound
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My understanding was that as soon as they attended that first class it was binding.
And normal transfer rules would apply. I can’t say with certainty that that’s correct though.
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that was my understanding as well because of the Lane kiffin leaving UT, he was telling recruits no to go to class, and then get them to USC.
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 17, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Good example.
Also, if Elam signed an LOI last year, why would he have committed to us?
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Binding, non-binding...
Once a kid graduates HS, can we enroll him in an online (non-ahem-music) course and make it binding that way? Some online courses don’t follow the normal semester start/stop dates, but would such a course count as “attending”?
Not exactly sure on that.
I know greyshirts can still take college coursework as long as they aren’t full time students or receiving financial aid. I guess if we gave them scholarship money to take the course then it’d be binding. But it’d have to start in December for it to do any good (to bridge the gap from finishing high school to starting spring semester at college) and those just don’t exist.
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T Smith was a very happy surprise
I guess NLS is no longer considered an EE candidate?
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 17, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions
Hmm.
May have forgot about him
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Said it before, and I'll say it again
Freeman EE = BEAST MODE!!!
:D
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
by SoCalNole on Dec 17, 2010 1:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So do we know
how many recruits FSU can actually count towards last year?
Four EE's on the offensive line....
man. That is incredible. Makes me SO happy!!!
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 17, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions
Not just offensive line
but also DLine. Seven of the ten listed are linemen where weight gain and conditioning is a much higher factor than understanding of scheme in kids playing early. I would expect most of our EE’s to fall into the linemen category going forward.
I'm just commenting on the fact that I've never seen so many OL in the same class EE
I think it’s awesome!!!
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 17, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
EE for Fresman OL/DL means 1.5 RS seasons.
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It seems to me that they don't want to shirt.
Otherwise they just come as scheduled and take their shirt. There just doesn’t seem to be any motivation to EE if your just gonna ride the pine (motivation for them, that is. We’d all love it).
I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.
by SoCalNole on Dec 17, 2010 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If *ANY* of these true-Frosh OL see the field, there are *MAJOR* problems with FSU's OL
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Disagree on them just seeing the field
But if they’re starting it means we are injury-plagued and that’s not good.
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by NoleThruandThru on Dec 17, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Center is plausible
And if Lovelady earns the position then i dont consider it a MAJOR problem just not the most desirable situation.
Let's hope Lovelady doesn't win the job.
It’d mean he beat out guys with at least 1.5 years more experience than him. I wouldn’t take it as a great sign.
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Just don't see how he can be.
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Would 2007 Rodney Hudson start in 2011 with an EE?
NOT saying Lovelady is another Hudson, but I trust Coach Trickett & Vic.
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If we had any OL depth at all? I don't know. Maybe.
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Who would he beat out? I don't think we have another center outside Ganguzza
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What do all our guards do at practice?
These guys are cross trained.
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I don't believe you actually declare a redshirt until after the season
A player can play a small amount during the season and still take it as a red shirt (I distinctly remember Booker returning punts early in the season in his RS FR year). Ergo, these players probably don’t intend to redshirt but if they don’t beat our the guy in front of them they’d basically be wasting a season if they didn’t redshirt.
don't confuse redshirt and medical hardship
A redshirt cannot play a single down. A medical hardship can start playing the season, but if he gets hurt in the first 25% of the season, then he can sit out the rest of the year and preserve a year.
Medical hardships are often called redshirts as well, but technically they aren’t. If Booker did play (and I don’t think he did), he must have got hurt and apply for the hardship.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Dec 18, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Redshirts can play.
However they cannot play more than ~30% of the plays of the games they play in and don’t play past a certain date, they are eligible for a redshirt.
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>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
only Med. RS
if you play even 1 play now you are not eligible for a RS (been in effect for about 7 or 8 years at least).
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this is great news. Can’t wait for this class to come in and can’t wait for next season. Thanks for the update.
If you had open scholarships from 2 or more years back
can you EE and fill those up, too? Or is it just one year?
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Just one year I believe
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They think they can back count past one year?
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Nevermind.
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No, sorry - Just meant that they're #s are going to be really hurting in a few years
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Really wish we could've had a DT ee
Those are the ones who we really need to Early Enroll, since we are still thin on the interior and they need the S and C alot more than most positions…
And Freeman I know we are saying its a rumor but any chance on when we will have a definite word on whether or not he is in….
btw I thought the guys who would EE were usually the top recruits?
NLS may still I believe
He was supposed to as of a few weeks ago I just haven’t heard any news about him.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 17, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're mis-reading the depth chart at DT
How is FSU thin on the interior? 6 non-freshmen.
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Do we expect Moses Mc, or Erving to have an impact next year?
by phi*tau-nole on Dec 17, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Eving should play some snaps
no idea on Moses. Wasn’t counting him in the 6
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Is Gary Brown still a possiblity?
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
by HaveNoleOption on Dec 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
We did hear stuff about Gary Brown being a possiblity a few weeks ago, no?
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>>>-----------;;;-->"It means so much to me. Just beating those guys. They were recruiting me so heavy. I remember when I didn’t go there, they said, ‘You will never beat us.' For me to do it, it just shows them that they were wrong, you know? Words can’t really explain the way I feel right now. This is why I came here. I had an opportunity to go to Florida, but I chose to come here because I felt it was my home. I haven't seen this since I was in middle school. Words can't explain the way I feel right now." -Nigel Bradham>>>-----------;;;-->
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 17, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Bulldozer,seriously he's a beast already.
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His mom is a nutrionist I think.
So hopefully hes alot more solid than your average HS kid, at least carrying better weight.
You been here 4 houas
No pay, just leave.
by BenDNole on Dec 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They're quoting from a movie/show where someone kills a Chinese(?) all you can eat buffett.
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by FSULeeBelle on Dec 17, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
From earlier this year
But it is that 3-cone drill time that is so jaw dropping. 7.65 seconds at 299 lbs. 16 players went through that test of speed, agility, and change of direction between 7.63 and 7.68 seconds. Two WRs, 6 defensive backs, 3 running backs, two quarterbacks, 2 linebackers, and one man over 225 lbs (Lawrence at 299 lbs). That’s insane.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
also
Its all muscle….he eats very well. Our mother is a registered dietitian. We eat properly and he works out and did i mention that he lifted 185lb 32 times!
by NilesSister! on Feb 22, 2010 8:15 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Go away DRusso. . .
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
i remember this
Way back when! And I kept in mind the stats but lost touch of who it was….can’t wait to have him, especially if he’s gonna shape up in the spring!
by LetsGoNoles on Dec 17, 2010 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I believe that he qualifies as a grown a$$ man
He’s just going to need time to develop at a new position
Yeah
playing MLB and TE at 280lbs will do that to you.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 17, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly don't think he NEEDS to RS.
I think he can contribute somewhere besides Scout Team as a true-Frosh.
I’m betting that if he can handle the mental aspect(which I think he can—easily), Haggins/Stoops/Jimbo will let him ride. I remember meeting Haggins @ our practice a few times….and I think he will LOVE NLS, if he doesn’t already.
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don't see him getting a RS,
out of all the freshman, probably the least likely, him and James Wilder Jr….
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by onebarrelrum on Dec 17, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Freeman needs a RS?
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
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No need for that s…
by paperjames on Dec 17, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
HEYYYYY!! I've been missing a couple of basketballs.
Now I know where they went—NLS has been using them to keep his socks from riding up.
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I know I'm really in the minority on this
I’m not a huge fan of the early enrolling. This wasn’t a practice thirty years ago. I had the discussion though, with my coach about enrolling in summer before 2 a days and I always appreciated that he said he didn’t want me to. He wanted me to have one last summer, as he said, you will never get another summer off. “It will be a lighter course load, we’ll keep you here to lift and you’ll take a couple of classes then.”
Bud now asks the question about Prom or baseball/basketball and the answer for me is, “yeah, go do those things for the last time in your life.”
Again, I know I’m in the minority here but geez, your senior year of high school is one of the best years of your life. I’m glad mine wasn’t cut in half, all those years ago!
I guess I was different.
My freshman year of college was lightyears better than my senior year of high school.
The Swami has spoken.
by seminole_swami on Dec 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I would miss it until I got to college.
I remember doing summer jobs in high school my last few years working with some friends who graduated a few years before me. They all talked about how they couldn’t wait to go back. I thought they were crazy at the time. Turns out I was just ignant.
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Agree, and once he starts having sex after a couple of days in Tally, he will say eff the prom.
Besides, they can always go home for prom weekend if they really want to hang out with the kids.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
4 minute difference. I defer.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
No sir. Perversion always ends in a tie.
And actually, yours includes the word “kids.” Shamelessly. I bow to your excellence.
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Which makes one ask the question?
Were you on the football team, on the scout team, being redshirted after being a star all of your life? I would guess the answer to that is, “no.”
I feel sorry for anyone that had a bad high school experience, I really do. And I know that some are out there.
And the world is different now, in that, 99% of all great high school football prospects are now 19 when they graduate, some are even 20, so they aren’t as young when they take off to college, either. If I had early enrolled, I would have been 17 when I got to college. One of the things my coach told me when I asked about coming up to summer was, he didn’t want me “influenced” by 22-23 year old seniors. It’s amazing who gets sent off on the “beer runs” (amongst other things) in the off season.
As a parent, I beg my kids to “grow up” all the time, but I don’t want them growing up too fast, either, that’s all.
I think it's just a different strokes for different folks sort of thing
I didn’t have a bad high school experience by any means but I enjoyed my freshmen year of college much much more than my senior year of high school. I was exposed (hehe) to so much more in college than high school. I enjoyed the freedom and responsability that came with college along with the different people I met. I can certainly understand how some people would rather enjoy the last semester of high school but I would EE to college if I could do it all over again.
I guess there's two sides...
If the kid has the physical tools to have a shot at doing it on sundays i say go for it, the more experience you get the bigger your paychecks are gonna be. hell the only thing he’s gonna miss at prom is a hangover, a prego scare and the clap or some other random std….not that i would know anything about that…….
Yeah I love it as a fan.
But if I was a kid coming into college I would only EE if I had a legit shot to play on Sundays.
And missing out on having to help get rid of his ex-girlfriends prom night dumpster baby.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Dec 17, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we can see why
I’m glad mine wasn’t cut in half, all those years ago!
The truth comes out.
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Can't believe I didn't catch this earlier
The truth comes out.
TWSS, for the win.
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A summer off?
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by egynole on Dec 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's an unemployed coach!
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These kids are making career decisions. High school's been over for awhile for anyone seriously considering EE.
They’ll get their prom night within 48 hours of stepping foot in Tallahassee.
Minus the expense of paying for a tux, flowers, & limo that nobody with testicles gives a sh!t about
They’ll get their prom night within 48 hours of stepping foot in Tallahassee.
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Plan ahead
View the summer BEFORE your senior year as your last free summer. Heck, get a head start on college classes during an easier semester (more time to adjust when not worrying about fall practice schedules, etc.).
These days the college process is a bit sped up anyway, with some 18-year old students entering their first semester of college with 20, 30, even 40+ credit hours gained via AP, dual enrollment, etc. Student athletes can get a jump by entering early and ease their load a little over the next few years.
Requirements
For progress your first 2 years, etc. And your are correct, no one comes in with no college hours at all anymore. Anyone serious about college is not a Freshman, anymore.
These kids coming in are serious about it and athletes have to be serious about it are they are not going to make it.
The spring and summer you can get into more trouble, when you don’t have a schedule of activities-its better to get on with it-you as we all have will enjoy FSU.
I entered college with 36 credits
and I had a much easier time for the next 4 years because of it. Going to high school just to have fun is irresponsible and is bad advice. College is fun. Very fun. Even if slacking off for 5 months would be more fun, you can’t justify the decision. You can’t graduate by just taking 12 hours a semester if you don’t have a head-start.
I did too...what a choke
Was well past degree reqs after year 3. Parents didn’t seem to understand (fund) me wanting to stay a fourth year so I could spend one day a week in some bs class and the other six sitting in the sun at Potbellys.
by BayNole9 on Dec 17, 2010 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
entering my senior year, I had exactly 2 classes to graduate (already way past 120 hrs)
but my schollies still had a year left on them and required a full load to be dispersed (over full to be continued but they were expiring anyway). so I took 18 hrs of bs plus those last 2 required, which were no harder than the bs (Mark Zeigler’s a funny man)… awesome year.
by stevib on Dec 17, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd For Ziegler
A great guy and a better Nole.
Florida State Seminoles
by basbalstr101 on Dec 20, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely. Be completely different if I were just some regular kid.
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I'll just be happy if he qualifies
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 17, 2010 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you say that as if its in question
do you know something we dont?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I know he had to work very hard this past year to get his grades in order
I know he was spending an inordinate amount of time with his tutor (at one point I believe it was like 3 hours a day) and I believe he was living with a different family in order to get his grades in order. I live in Tampa, and around the time he committed I heard murmurs that some didn’t think he’d make it. NOW, with all that said, I fully believe he will qualify and everything I’ve heard lately points toward him qualifying. He just worries me until he enrolls.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Absolutely
I imagine he will be a beast on special teams at the very least.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
whats the primary problem with the kids that are questionable to qualify?
are we talking GPA, or are they just doing poorly in core requirements? seems like theres kids who have trouble qualifying, and some magically end up doing it. i know by the time i hit my last semester in college, no matter what i did, my GPA wasnt going up. is it just a case of a senior slump letting core class grades slip?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
many of the kids with these issues have had no guidance and/or are provided no reasons to perform in school at all. Most don't consider college even remotely an option.
and by high-school they are thoroughly set in their habits. Most are told that they might qualify for scholarship only if they qualify my their junior year; at which time it is very difficult to change your lifestyle.
If you want to do something about this. I suggest anyone remotely interested volunteer for the local big brothers/big sisters chapter of Tallahassee.
BB/BS of the Big Bend, Inc.
565 East Tennessee Street
Tallahassee, FL 32308
louis.garcia@bbbsbigbend.org
http://www.BigBrothers-BigSisters.org
(850) 386-6002
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"You guys in AZ are life-savers," Scott Kernan, California's undersecretary for Corrections and Rehabilitation after receiving 12 grams of the chemical sodium thiopental to be used to execute a death-row inmate from Arizona.
The NCAA has a whole matrix of minimum acceptable SAT / ACT plus GPA scores
You can meet minimum requirements with a low-ish GPA if you have high enough test scores. The Initial Eligibility Index in the NCAA 2010-11 Division 1 Manual (that unfortunately won’t format in this blog) is on page 164 of the manual (page 174 in the pdf) in section 14.3.1.1.2
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-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Long and short of it:
Generally, if a student has at least a 2.0 GPA, all they have to is bring up their SAT/ACT scores to the proper level, and that’s doable quickly if they study for the test like mad.
Below 2.0, they’re not getting into an NCAA school, period.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Speaking of JWJ, is their game televised tonight?
by BayNole9 on Dec 17, 2010 5:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes fsn
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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QUESTION BUD
Bud, what do you think about Andre Davis from Tampa Jefferson, I know the kid, he really likes FSU, and is having an excellent State Championship today. Do we have room for him, even if we get Benjamin? He is on our prospect list on all the college services. He’s a 4 star on Scout.
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
Offer isn’t coming. FSU likes a kid at Jefferson, a junior, but I think they will wait to offer till Davis commits elsewhere. Davis is ok but he is a lower-level BCS kid. Like Maryland or Tennessee
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i hear the top end speed is the issue with him
but he has stick-em hands. dude could catch smallpox if he wanted to, despite it being eradicated years before his birth.
basically, quality possession receiver, but it looks like the lack of elite speed hurts his stock. however, Jamie Newberg sure loved him. watch video 2, around the middle, for his highlights and comments.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Haha, lower level BCS school like Tennessee...
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Aaron Lynch signed
reported on WC under comittments as signed
Don't know if this has been said,
but these kids are going to be BEASTS when they are upperclassmen. I mean SCARY ASS, GROWN ASS, MONSTER MEN ransacking gator / cane boys week in and week out.
I can’t wait.
RUMOR ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just heard on the Jeff Cameron show…..There are tweets out there reporting that Greg Hudson is being targeted for the Miami of Ohio Head coaching job.
Have anybody seen these tweets or have heard anything about this?
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
wow
Straight to head coach??
I always thought the plan would go somthin like…2012 win big, stoops gets a head coachin gig, and hudson takes over as DC, then we win big again and thennn Hudson gets a good head coachin gig (wishful, but realistic thinkin)
by LetsGoNoles on Dec 17, 2010 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well he was the DC at ECU before he came here.
I think he had a pretty good D at ECU.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
No
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Dec 17, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
How much will they pay?
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Not sure.
I just hope it’s not true.
2010
Miami (Ohio) Mike Haywood MAC University compensation= $300,000 $0 Total= $300,000 Max Bonus = $296,496
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
he was one of the least-compensated D1 coaches
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Dec 17, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hudson makes $305,000 annually.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
Hmm, doesn't make sense imo.
He gets that head gig but he doesn’t get paid well enough in case it doesn’t work out. I’d say thanks but no thanks.
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Good point Trick.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
He can also coach at Miami for 2 years and then land another and better job, like Miami's old/Pitt's new coach.
But why even bother attempting something like that if the pay doesn’t reflect the risk you’re taking? It’d be different if he were currently LB coach or DC at a school like Wyoming.
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Question, Bud (or anybody else really)
How many EEs do a UF, Bama, Texas take per year usually??
by LetsGoNoles on Dec 17, 2010 5:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
about this amount
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What limits the number of players that can be counted back to the previous class?
While there is no limit on the number of players who may early enroll, there is a limit on how many of those may count back to the previous class.
Is there a cap to how many players can be back-counted? Or is it simply the number of available scholarships?
"We will be a physically and mentally tough football team. And it's not something you talk about, it's something you live your life with.’’
Will Muschamp, December 14, 2010
Just the number of scholarships avail, I think.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Yep
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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thx
"We will be a physically and mentally tough football team. And it's not something you talk about, it's something you live your life with.’’
Will Muschamp, December 14, 2010
There is news that WR Melvin Ray is expected to walk on in the Summer
Do we predict any roster space and or need for him?
I think we have room in the 105
the 85 cap is only scholarship players, and Ray is walking on
Bud
This is why I joined TN!! Thank you for all you do! This class is going to be awesome. Love that we can get info every 3 or 4 hrs. Wish I joined earler. Thank’s for all you do!!! P.S.I think, freeman will be an animal, hope he is an EE!
Clowney
Why do y’all not think we will get clowney? Some fans believe we are a serious darkhorse…
by Nole4life! on Dec 17, 2010 7:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Because nobody at FSU or anyone involved thinks there is a chance
Some fans don’t know what they are talking about. I’m sure some of the subscription sites will hype it up to sell subs.
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You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Si, si Peedro.
"You should always swing as hard as you can...Just in case you hit the ball." - Dale Murphy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 18, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Baseball? Maybe. Handball? Probably not...
#HandsHaveHoles
(hacky sack is also out)
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by DRusso97 on Dec 18, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're my boy D, but that ain't right.
:-)
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 19, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaaaa...
Loves me some sacriligious humor.
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I beg to differ
YOU try holding an Iron Cross for 6 hours straight. It’ll kill you too.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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Don't worry young padawan.
Over the next few months you will receive great knowledge and become truly strong in the ways of recruiting truth and BS.
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I live in Newport News, VA
and my mailman is (supposedly) related to EJ and therefore knows everything about FSU football. He told me Clowney’s going to FSU. Since my mailman ALWAYS delivers….it’s a lock. Clowney will be a Nole.
"You should always swing as hard as you can...Just in case you hit the ball." - Dale Murphy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 18, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I grew up in Yorktown/Williamsburg
Headin back there for Christmas with the folks
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Nice area. My favorite part of the peninsula
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 18, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Are you fucking kidding me?
I really thought this was going to be the thread where this didnt pop up. If you are anywhere near a regular reader, you should know better. This is really getting annoying, and Im just a poster, not someone who is expected to answer this effing question every time its asked. @#%$#
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
sorry for the curse
its just ridiculous at this point.
HEY BUD, I HEARD WE STILL HAVE A SHOT AT LATTIMORE!!! IMAGINE IF HE TORE OFF HIS SC JERSEY RIGHT BEFORE THE GAME
OOOOOOOHHHHH NOOOOOOO THATS THE UNDERTAKERS MUSIC!!!
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Seriously miami....
Can’t we keep it light man? if you didn’t pick up that he was jokin then you dont visit enough. two reasons i love this site. 1-copious amount of info on my team and 2-all the witty personalities in here, hell our sense of humor was all we had the last ten years, i may have anded it all if i woulda lost it. love the jabs, keep up the good work everyone. now back to in depth recruiting! so who is this clowney dude anyways??? ;-]
Wait what?
See, it was late, I was tired. I usually dont care. Aww dammnit, no more posting at 2 in the morning. I did not think he was joking. If he was, my bad. Dont recognize the call sign.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
In no way was that a joke or or even sarcasm. I checked. It registered a 7.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
However, I heard we still have a chance with Clowney and he will be offered next week,
for the Flying High Circus.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Doc?
Either way, see post above. Couldnt tell. That said, I love the irony of Drusso being the one to tell me to relax.
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by Miaminole on Dec 18, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Woooooosah MFer......WOOOOOSAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love the irony of Drusso being the one to tell me to relax.
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I agree with Miaminole. This stopped being funny a long time ago.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Dec 18, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Funny never gets old.
Note, all the TWSS, Dumb and Dumber references, etc. I’ve even seen a few get deez comments-that’s from 3rd grade.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 18, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
lovely accent you have doc.....
New Jersey?
by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 18, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Austria.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 18, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
You mean, continue a line of commentary fit for middle school humor?
Of course I’ll do that….Every single time.
"You should always swing as hard as you can...Just in case you hit the ball." - Dale Murphy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 18, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Knew you had it in ya doc. wait for it.......
TWSS
by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 18, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd because it's your first time.
…And you should always remember your 1st time, no matter how quickly it was over.
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by DRusso97 on Dec 18, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
let's not.
"You should always swing as hard as you can...Just in case you hit the ball." - Dale Murphy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 19, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Depends on your sense of humor
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Dec 19, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
pfff. fastball? Only SS's come out of the Dominican.
"You should always swing as hard as you can...Just in case you hit the ball." - Dale Murphy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 19, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Aren't we talking about that Little League World Series pitcher from a couple years ago?
The 18 year old 12 year old?
And, no, I know nothing about baseball, Dr.
Yes, but he'll end up a SS. They're all freakin SS's.
I was a SS and I’m obviously envious of their skills. Helps if you never use a glove until you get to the big leagues….develop GREAT hands that way. Why didn’t my folks deprive me of a glove?
"You should always swing as hard as you can...Just in case you hit the ball." - Dale Murphy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 19, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
If a ground ball ever hits you in the nuts
you deserve it. Proper approach and position…chest and face are the only possible targets. Well, for bad hops that is.
Anchorman didn’t come out until my playing days were long over. :)
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 19, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he was 16. Not sure though.
"You should always swing as hard as you can...Just in case you hit the ball." - Dale Murphy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 19, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaaaaa.......I'm laughing because my G/F is pissed right now.
Timo Perez is her 1st Cousin. (and yes—he’s a middle infielder, LOL)
But seriously…Pedro Martinez was a pretty good pitcher for a while.
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