Seminoles 74, Lions 63
by norcal_nole on Dec 19, 2010 11:22 AM EST
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PrintIn what easily could have been a 25 point win for the Noles, the Seminoles beat a decent Loyola Marymount team on their home floor 74-63. This was a game where the Noles offense and defense played better than the final score indicate. Offensively we had excellent ball movement but the rims were unkind, as the Noles missed at least 12 uncontested jumpers as well as several five-footers in traffic. On the opposite end, what had been a poor shooting Lions team hit an equal number of very contested shots. It was just one of those nights. Because of this the Lions were able to stay close all night, and weren't put away until the final seconds.
Derwin Kitchen had seven assists on a night where the team logged a season high 19. He did a good job controlling the tempo and has appeared more comfortable now that the Noles are emphasizing pushing the ball after made shots. He was called for four turnovers though. The team turned the ball over 14 times in a 66 possession game which is the NCAA average.
Chris Singleton - with over 20 NBA scouts on hand - put up a solid line of 15 pts, 5 boards, 4 assists and 2 steals. He marked Drew Viney most of the night and forced him to go deep into his arsenal of moves to get shots off. He scored 16 pts, but it was an inefficient effort off of 15 shots. Vernon Teel had 12 pts and 7 assists, though he was shut down in the 2nd half. He was penetrating at ease in the first half, but the backside help was much better after the break.
After a terrible start by Xavier Gibson he was replaced by Bernard James and Terrance Shannon who combined for 19 pts and 11 boards (5 offensive). Ian Miller, once again, was an unexplained no-show.
The Noles now continue their trip west, and play a 1am EST game against Hawaii on Thursday in the Diamond Head Classic Tournament.
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a special shout-out to Bernard James, who was
a rebound away from a double-double in less than a half of work. With Kreft seemingly comfortable playing a traditional center role, I’d say maybe Gibson should be concerned about his playing time.
Then again, it doesnt appear, based on his on-the-court play, that it would even bother him that much.
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by GoNolzOhio on Dec 19, 2010 12:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gibson doesn't seem to know how to rebound
and taking 3’s won’t help his PT. This team is getting better and the Kitchen-Dulkys backcourt is starting to make magic.
by Mannieblunts on Dec 19, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ah so then he has just been bad this year.
I went to all the games last year and remeber liking what I say. 6/16 is pretty solid. But I agree he does need to stop if 1 of 9 is what he is shooting at nowadays.
I think he's a good perimeter shooter, just has been on a bad streak.
Like you say, he was effective last year.
True, but on both his shot he was unguarded. He easily could have stepped in to 14ft and shot, which is much more in his range.
by norcal_nole on Dec 20, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Have you done the math? :)
I mean, 50% more points, vs. increased likelihood of the shot falling?
On a serious note, though, I’m not arguing situationally whether these were good shots or not, just saying I don’t think the bonusphere should necessarily be off-limits to X-man. I am sure he could be schooled as to more opportune times.
I have to admit
this team worries me. I don’t know if they have the basketball IQ to be consistent when we play better comp. Kitchen-Dulkys is less magic when the comp level is up to par.
Magic=not forcing things
Kitchen had some bad passes but watching the game I had no idea he had 7 assists. The ball movement is finally improving. When Kreft/James/Gibson figures out the low block, this team will be dangerous.
Who else will be better comp? The ACC is very weak again, our length and D will prove the difference in the league.
by Mannieblunts on Dec 19, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
I just worry that this team
has never made smart decisions against good teams. Our D is great and will make us a tough out for anyone, but 19 assists to 14 turnovers is a horrible ass/to ratio against a very average basketball team. But I will be more optimistic, this group has improved since last year and with a weaker ACC, we could find our way back in the ACCCG like we did a couple of years ago. The ACC is weaker, but to say completely weak is overstating it. Going into the places of Duke, NC St, UNC, Wake, etc are still very difficult places to play. It is like saying the SEC East football was weak this year, probably so, but there are still good players out there who know how to play. FSU has always lacked (since Pat Kennedy) a depth of players that really understand how to play.
10-6?
What do you mean ‘understand how to play’? We play great defense and soon all these guys will figure out their roles.
by Mannieblunts on Dec 20, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes we do play great d
but watch this team in half court sets and important parts of games. They have always come up short when it comes to basketball IQ plays. It doesn’t take a genius to play good d, but smart offensive basketball is another issue. I want them to win, but these guys need to prove they can execute at important times with legit basketball teams and they haven’t done that in a long time.
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Just to show I am not talking out of my a##
we have 136 ast to 180 tos on the season. That is awful, so when I say we don’t understand how to play, that is one stat that should point out, we don’t understand how to play. A ast/to ratio of 1:1 is awful let alone having a negative ast/to ratio, figure for every t.o. you give the other team 1.5 points (roughly) we will lose many games if this is the case all season long. Last year we were 446 to 528, ast/to ratio, which is again awful. And that 10-6 was mainly with an easy ACC sched. Duke once, UNC once, NC state once and we lost to Maryland twice. We beat up on the bad ACC teams last year.
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Oh and figure out their roles
there isn’t a lot of turnover on this team from last year. I can understand that excuse when we lost Douglas ( who is ballin right now for the knicks) but everyone is back (besides Alabi, but big guys know their roles rather quickly) so we should know our roles by this point.
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Reid was big for us last year.
And also I feel like our ACC slate this year is just as easy as last years. Clemson is worse, along with wake, UNC seems to be bad again. Nobody is really unbeatable for us except for Duke.
by Blake Davis on Dec 21, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I disliked Reid
He was the same player as a freshman as he was a senior. The same with Alabi, they killed our offense, and couldn’t score.
When I say roles, I meant game-to-game. NorCal said the only garunteed PT is Kitchen and Singleton. I would add Dulkys and James to that. We have the deepest team in the league so we can play with anyone. Sometimes I think Loucks should be out their to add a spark and most times he shouldn’t. Gibson the same, sometimes he has it, most times he doesn’t. The first half everyone should play (our D will keep us in games) and in the 2nd the bench should be shortened (to no more than 8). Shannon, Snaer, Loucks, Kreft, Gibson, Miller, White, 4 of these guys should not see the court in 2nd half of games. This will eliminate TOs and keep everyone focused. Just my IMO.
by Mannieblunts on Dec 21, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
The NC State way...
Is to grind us down, dribble/pass till deep in the shot clock and hoist up a shot (perferably a 3). If it goes in, go into a full court press, We will give the ball to you. And if we do get it across, we get tight and shoot a bad shot. I don’t understand why every team doesn’t do this.
by Mannieblunts on Dec 21, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Was good as a sophomore, good as a senior.
Bad as a freshman and junior. Up and down career.
Alabi, for as much crap as he gets, had an efficiency over 110 last year, which was only bettered by Dulkys (and that’s largely because he’s a catch and shoot guy, so his turnover rate is artificially deflated).
by norcal_nole on Dec 21, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with everything you said but,
my problem with Dulkys, is if he is not shooting well he doesn’t do much else, but with what we have he gives us the best option. He is a horrible on ball defender and benefits from the athleticism that we have on this team. But, if we have the athletes, then as a coach I don’t mind keeping a shooter on the floor when I know my other 4 can help and I can hide him in a zone.
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I have only been on TN for a couple of weeks
so it is actually nice to talk Seminole basketball with people since the state of Fl forgot we have a team
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Dulkys has shown great on-ball defense at times.
I was shocked watching him throw Wayne Ellington completely off his game as a freshman.
He’s had some games where he’s struggled getting fouls called on him, and I don’t know if that is a function of not matching up well with smaller, quicker guards, but he certainly has the potential to play very good defense if matched appropriately.
I have the same worries.
For all of the great plays we make, we throw some VERY stupid ones in there too. If we could stop hurting ourselves, we’d be a tough team, but you know that we’re going to give away a lot of turnovers, take some bad shots, and be out-of-position on many of our rebound opportunities. That keeps teams like ULM competititve in a game that we should have put away in the 1st half.
by seminoleballer on Dec 20, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
3 games in a row I've had a good time watching us play.
Pretty impressive, I am really looking forward to this tournament.
from Andy Katz aritcle today, "30 Things I Took Away From Yesterday:"
30. Florida State avoided its trap game on the way to Hawaii by winning at Loyola Marymount. FSU had already lost twice at home (Ohio State and Florida) and couldn’t afford to drop one to LMU. The Diamond Head Classic is full of teams that need to emerge this week and show off some NCAA at-large credentials. The Noles are one of them.
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Hopefully we take care on the road against Hawaii
Playing in the loser’s bracket would not be fun.
by CelticPride on Dec 20, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently Miller is just nursing an injury.
Or at least that’s what is being used to cover up the real reason for his absence.
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He doesn't tell anybody anything.
Kind of a stupid move imo. He doesn’t do a whole lot to energize the fanbase.
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Is it different than his halftime comments?
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Aren't the halftime remarks like a single Q&A? He talks for a fairly long time with Gene after the game;
up to 10 minutes, maybe? Enough time that he talks a lot of specifics about the game and individual players.
Yup. Was asking if he was more specific or still broad in his comments.
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Shannon looked pretty good
He has always been a high energy type of player, but out of control with lots of fouls and turnovers. At least for one game, he seems to be getting it.
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden is the all-time ACC leader in conference titles, conference wins, total wins, winning percentage, bowl appearances & wins and owns the longest conference winning streak.
I think that's two games in a row now,
that he didn’t check in at the scorers table and then run in and immediately assault somebody.
by norcal_nole on Dec 20, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
We look like a different team offensively compared to the beginning of the year
/endhope
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or just compared to when we played uf and ohio state
remember who we are playing against to get us our Ws
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Verse Clemson we looked solid. Not sure how their defense is this year though.
by Blake Davis on Dec 20, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Clemson is alright this year. Don't expect them in the NCAAT at this point though.
And for most of the 1st half we didn’t look good at all.
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both teams looked like a bunch of pansies in that game
I think that Kreft and James will lay down the law in the next meeting.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 21, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Clemson is alright this year. Don't expect them in the NCAAT at this point though.
And for most of the 1st half we didn’t look good at all.
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Hopefully the 3 games in this xmas tourney
and the game vs Auburn will get them prepared for the ACC. Hawaii is an ok team, but playing in their place bumps up their “level” (for lack of a better word. Though I like how we responded in the 2nd half, if we can cut out the unforced to’s, then we could be a real tough team to beat
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