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ACC Championship Preview: Florida State Seminoles at Virginia Tech Hokies

Christian Ponder throws a touchdown for the 'Noles

Finally, the ACC has the matchup it wants.  The Florida State Seminoles at the Virginia Tech Hokies in the heart of ACC country, Charlotte, NC.  The winner goes to the BCS in the Orange Bowl in Miami.  The loser will play in the Peach bowl (Chick-Fil-A) in Atlanta.  For the 'Noles, this game is a bonus.  FSU has already accomplished all reasonable goals it set for the season.  While some expected FSU to win the division, nobody thought Florida State would win the conference.  Yet here are the Seminoles with a chance to do just that in their first season under coach Jimbo Fisher.  All the pressure is on the Hokies here.  Tech was supposed to be in the hunt for the national title.  Tech has 11 All-ACC Players.  Florida State has 4.  Virginia Tech is the first team to finish undefeated in conference since division play began.  FSU finished 6-2 in conference after going 16-16 over the last four years.    Both teams, have a lot of athletes, however, and both sport excellent senior quarterbacks.  

First-year head coach Jimbo Fisher isn't worried that the 'Noles will have a letdown following an emotional win over rival Florida.

"I have always said one of the toughest things is the way the schedule is for Florida and Florida State, and if you are going into a conference championship game the very next week coming off of a game that is not a conference game, but is so meaningful and then you have to come right back and play another meaningful game the next week I think is very tough. You have to deal with the hand your dealt, and I don't think our kids know because they are so hungry for success and they are proud of what they're doing, confident in what they're doing and where our team is and the way they carries itself I think we will be ready to play."

Time: 7:45 PM
Line: VT -4
TV: ESPN

Injury Report: (Starters in Bold, key reserves in Italics)

OUT
RB: Jermaine Thomas (knee)- until bowl game, Tavares Pressley (ACL)
WR: Jarmon Fortson (kicked off team)A.J. Alexander (left team)
OL: David Spurlock (concussion)Blake Snider (lower leg-season) [FSU is on its 4th-string guard.]
DE: Jamar Jackson (left team)
DT: Moses McCray (ACL done for year)
LB: Nigel Carr (kicked off team)JaJuan Harley (left team)

Questionable
RB: Ty Jones (ankle)
LG: Bryan Stork (mono)

Probable
QB: Christian Ponder (elbow)
RB: Chris Thompson (deep thigh bruise)

Virginia Tech's Offense v. Florida State's Defense

Tech has the 13th-best offense so far this year while FSU has the 39th-best defense.

Personnel

QB 5 Tyrod Taylor 6-1 210 Sr. - Enormous arm, great legs, finally has a good head.
QB 3 Logan Thomas 6-6 242 r-Fr. Stud who everyone in the country wanted.

LT 72 Andrew Lanier 6-5 275 r-Jr. - replacement of Becton.
LG 75 Greg Nosal 6-6 293 r-Jr. - very average
C 60 Beau Warren 6-4 286 r-Sr - Good center
RG 68 Jaymes Brooks 6-2 296 r-Jr. - Quality right guard.
RT 62 Blake DeChristopher 6-5 320 r-Jr. - Excellent run blockers, inconsistent pass pro.

RB34 Ryan Williams 5-10 202 r-So.  - Best of the backs and has amazing lateral agility and explosion. Great vision, good power, and breaks a lot of tackles. He has been banged up most of the year but is now healthy.
RB32 Darren Evans 6-0 220 r-Jr.- Straight line, but legs go dead on contact.
RB4 David Wilson 5-11 200 So. - Complete burner.  Sometimes misses the hole.

FB 31 Kenny Younger 6-0 228 r-Sr.- good blocking fullback.  

WR 81 Jarrett Boykin 6-2 215 Jr. A good receiver.  
WR 19 Danny Coale 6-0 200 Jr.  Classic possession guy who runs good routes underneath.  Like a Wes Welker.
WR 7 Marcus Davis 6-4 229 r-So. Talented but not consistent and not super fast.  

TE 88 Andre Smith 6-5 272 r-Sr.- Tremendous blocking tight end, quality wideout, potential NFL guy.  
TE 86 Eric Martin 6-2 268 r-Fr. Woodbridge, VA

Scheme

Virginia Tech runs a pro-style scheme utilizing the I-formation and the gun.  It's pretty bland but they do have good players and a serious stud at quarterback. 

They struggle with heavy zone teams, like Florida State and sometimes against teams with good corners that can go man/press (Xavier Rhodes). Most teams that have slowed them down rush 4, and play a mostly cov 2/4 and some mixed zones as well.  Some teams have been really passive with their rushes and really do not get up field with their DL at all. Teams with athletic DLs (Like FSU) will probably try to force Taylor out of the pocket more, instead of slow-playing it.  

This year they are willing to throw more on 1st down.  That makes them much tougher to defend, because if they didn't you could just play cover-3 with 8 in the box all the time.  They are good at the bubble game as well.  But Taylor doesn't hit the seams all that well, which does suggest playing some cover 3.  

Tyrod really struggles going to his left.  FSU needs to focus on taking away the run (obviously), but in terms of Taylor it must push the pocket, not rush the pocket.  Wildly rushing upfield is a great way to get blown out here.  FSU must make Taylor complete intermediate routes over the middle while applying pressure in his face (up the middle and from his right side).  That means Markus White and Bjoern Werner need to have big and disciplined games.  Brandon Jenkins must be patient and not lose contain as he is there to clean up the back side.  

Florida State's linebackers must get off blocks in this game and the defensive backs (looking at you, Greg Reid) must tackle because FSU will be playing a lot of 8-man fronts to stop Tech's run game.  

Strength v. Strength | Weakness v. Weakness

Viirginia Tech rates 17th in explosive drives.  Florida State's defense rates 15th in preventing explosive drives.  That seems really quite even to me.  Meanwhile, Virignia Tech is 102nd at methodical drives, while FSU is 112th at preventing them.  Again, quite even.  

Virginia Tech is an offense that will get frustrated if forced to march on multiple-play drives.  FSU's defense is fine allowing those because it affords more plays (opportunities) for turnovers.  

The 'Noles know that they won't shut down this Virginia Tech attack.  But FSU should be able limit it somewhat. 

Additional intrigue is added to the matchup because Jimbo Fisher is quite tight with Nick Saban, and Mark Stoops is tight with the Pelini brothers.  Why does that matter?  Those two defenses held Virginia Tech to pedestrian totals in 2009.  However, they were the two best defenses in the country.  Players matter. 

Florida State's defensive line looked quite gassed in four of the last five games of the season.  Can they somehow reach down and play well again after doing so against Florida?  I doubt it, but I also don't see them getting completely dominated.

I see the Hokies running 70 plays for 406 yards.  That's 5.8 per play.  

Inside, find the preview of the Florida State offense!

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Florida State's Offense v. Virginia Tech's Defense

Florida State's offense has been the 8th-best in the country while Tech's defense has been the 19th-best in the nation.

Personnel

RE 82 Steven Friday 6-4 250 r-Sr.- Pure pass rusher, doesn't play the run well.  Andrew Datko can handle him.
DT 91 John Graves 6-3 278 r-Sr. - 3-tech penetrator but can't bull Rodney Hudson.  Will give Bryan Stork trouble.
NG 56 Antoine Hopkins 6-1 302 r-So.- quality nose may give Ryan McMahon trouble
LE 33 Chris Drager 6-4 255 r-Jr. Not explosive, ok against run.  Even matchp v. Sanders.  

This defensive line jumps counts a lot so Christian Ponder will have to vary cadence and FSU may get some offsides calls here.  

ILB 51 Bruce Taylor 6-2 246 r-So.  Excellent run stopper, not great in pass defense, poor change of direction.  Overly aggressive.
ILB 44 Lyndell Gibson 5-11 232 r-So.  Nothing special.  

OLB43 Jeron Gouveia-Winslow 6-2 207 r-So. 
ROV 2 Davon Morgan 6-0 196 Sr. Savvy senior playmaker.  Occasionally overaggressive.  
BCB 21 Rashad Carmichael 5-11 186 r-Sr. Tremendous cover corner, will see lots of man from him.  Might not be 100%
FS 15 Eddie Whitley 6-1 195 Jr. A pure coverage safety who shies away from the run game.
FCB 20 Jayron Hosley 5-11 170 So. Excellent zone corner.  

I included Winslow with the DBs because he is so small.  The Antone Exum kid isn't listed as a starter but he plays a ton.  Very athletic.  This is an excellent secondary.

Scheme

Virginia Tech runs a very complex scheme, much more varied than in the early part of the decade.   They will run man, zone (many types), and man/zone combo.  They do a great job of disguising coverages as well and don't give away much.  Ponder is so excellent with his pre-snap stuff, but here it may be hard to get much of a tell.  They do a great job of going from a two-high look to an 8-man right before the snap, AKA "stemming".  

So with that great secondary and awesome coaching, why isn't this defense better?  FSU has already faced defenses in Miami-FL, Clemson, Oklahoma, BC, NC State, and Florida that were better than, as good, or close to the Virginia Tech defense.  

The answer is in the front seven.  

Sizes Of The Front Sevens Florida State Will Face
  Sam OU BYU WF UVA UM BC NCST UNC CLEM MD UF VT
DL 270 267 295 255 275 285 251 260 245 275 255 255 250
DL 285 301 307 240 270 293 295 289 275 310 295 307 278
DL 280 284 261 285 275 305 309 297 305 315 285 302 302
DL/LB 245 251 239 235 265 251 257 259 260 260 275 250 255
LB 212 240 232 215 215 227 238 239 230 215 230 226 246
LB 245 225 225 240 225 240 235 231 235 230 250 238 232
LB 220 232 225 225 230 220 215 224 230 220 235 223 216
 Total 1757 1800 1784 1695 1755 1821 1800 1799 1780 1828 1825 1801 1779

As you can see, Virginia Tech's front seven isn't enormous like a Clemson.  And it's just not super talented.  Foster has done an excellent job molding this into (again) one of the twenty best defenses in the country, but the front will not be a significant challenge for the 'Noles, who have already seen better fronts than this in their last few games.

This FSU offense is battle tested.  It is one of the ten best offenses in the country.  Florida State has faced far-and-away the toughest schedule of defenses in the country.  

But Virginia Tech presents some unique challenges.  

As I mentioned above, to compensate for the lack of size and talent in the front seven, Tech is quite skilled at slipping the extra defender into the box to stop the run.  That's great, but historically Fisher's offenses at Florida State really shred smaller defenses.  This defense isn't tiny, but it can't exactly dominate with the front four and play two-high coverage all day either.  

Florida State should be able to both run and pass block against this front.  The questions in my mind are all about the backs and receives.  Neither Ty Jones nor Chris Thompson are healthy.  Both are expected to play (I am skeptical on Ty Jones).  How will they run?   

How will FSU's young, inconsistent receivers play against perhaps the best secondary they have seen all season?  This won't be as simple as winning a 1-on-1 matchup against Florida.  This game will be mental as well as physical.  Willie Haulstead and Rodney Smith must be precise with their routes and sure handed.  This game will be more about getting open and making the catch than it will be about making huge plays.  

I also worry about the different blitzes Tech will bring and how FSU's inexperience at right guard (5th guard of the year) will play.  How will the backs pick them up?  

FSU needs to exploit Tech's weaker players while holding serve against the stars.  

That means winning on first and second down.  Like the FSU defenses of 2007 and 2008, Tech is beastly when it gets to third-and-long.  That's when turnovers occur.  Florida State must stay balanced and ahead of the chains, something Fisher's boys do quite well.  

Reliford must have a good game walling the edge against this front seven.  I expect FSU to have enough success running the ball to be able to hit a big play out of play-action.  FSU will also look to hit short passes in early downs to move the chains; particularly with the running backs being less than 100%.  

FSU may be forced to use the shotgun a lot, probably with Lonnoe Pryor in the backfield.  Pryor isn't a great runner, but he is capable from the gun and he is an excellent pass protector in blitz pickup.  

I expect FSU to run 63 plays for 397 yards, about 6.3 per play.  

I believe Virginia Tech's offense is better than Florida State's defense by a wider margin than FSU's offense is better than Tech's defense.  However, I think the matchups favor FSU here, and FSU has better special teams by a slight margin.  

ACCCG Prediction
Team Plays Yards/Play
FSU 63 6.3
VT 70 5.8

I give FSU a 50% chance of winning and predict a score of Noles 24, Hokies 23

As a fan of the Noles, this really is a bonus game.  Sit back and enjoy, realizing that due to recruiting and continued maturation of the young talent, FSU should again dominate the conference in the coming years.  

If you're a fan of Virginia Tech, enjoy this game as well.  It's likely the best chance the Hokies will have to beat FSU in a championship-game setting for a while.  

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bonus game

It truly is, and I consider this to be a great season already

But, now that were in it I’m feeling a little greedy

Florida State 45 Miami 17
Florida State 31 Florida 7
State Champions
ACC Atlantic Division Champions

by SeminoleMike on Dec 3, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

Great stuff as always.

Could this week have gone any slower? State champs now, ACC champs tomorrow!

by CopeyNole on Dec 3, 2010 9:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

SAeriously, I can';t sleep

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 4, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

"I wish you loved me as much as you love TomahawkNation!"

by freshcollegeboy on Dec 4, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

"I wish you loved me as much as you love TomahawkNation!"

by freshcollegeboy on Dec 4, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

If it is that close

Somebody stay close to phone. I might go into cardiac arrest.

by Mateo9399 on Dec 3, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

Lol

Nice. My boss is cool. If he was a Gator fan than maybe, but he is not that dirty for someone from Virginia.

by Mateo9399 on Dec 3, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Borrowed this

I put this on my facebook and tagged a bunch of my Hokie friends in it……they dont like it as much as I do.

Call me Flinstone...I can make your bed ROCK!!!!!!

by Dtimbo on Dec 3, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

Nice!

There's another one: SMACK!

by Gator Slapper on Dec 3, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

also borrowed and FB'd but added:

Hokie- “ho-key” (N)- Def.: corny and contrived, fake and melodramatic, insincerely emotional; also written hokey; Hokie- (N) Def.: an emasculated turkey…. Emasculate adj. 1. emasculated – (of a male animal) having the testicles removed; “a cut horse” (err… Turkey)

One of my best friends is a huge VT fan, having grown up in Roanoke, tagged him on the pic. Have already received a huge amount of grief from my VT loving friends. Thank you for putting this up!

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by Rudy Stivers on Dec 3, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Round 1

Seeing that Miami is having problems getting Vince Lomardi signed on as their coach this looks to be the 1st round of many FSU vs VT ACCCG’s.
I’m looking forward to seeing how the team responds after the UF win and what we do with a quality opponent.
27-21 Noles!

by Marmaduke1 on Dec 3, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Awesome

Wish I could recommend the last sentence in Bud’s analysis – It deserves to be highlighted in green.

by CJS55 on Dec 3, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

typo - VTech needs to come out of the list - I think you meant NC instead

“So with that great secondary and awesome coaching, why isn’t this defense better? FSU has already faced defenses in Miami-FL, Clemson, Oklahoma, BC, VTech, NC State, and Florida that were better than, as good, or close to the Virginia Tech defense.”

by 93noleman on Dec 3, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Not guessing a score.

I’m pleased with where we are, and I don’t have strong feelings about the cHokies. A win is gravy.

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- John Maynard Keynes

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by Drew J Jones on Dec 3, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

This game will pay dividends in the future

If FSU loses the game, the players gain valuable experience in championship situations – the team then builds off of that, is reminded what that feeling was like when they lost, and comes out next season with a clear goal in place.

If FSU wins this game, the players leave with an immense sense of accomplishment and confidence – the team receives a tangible award for focusing on the process this year and, with the help of an excellent coaching staff, can build off of that to possibly achieve some truly special things over the next couple of years.

Either way, this game will benefit the whole team, now and in the near future.

by mbar on Dec 3, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Great preview. I can't wait.

My objective, unbiased, purely statistical forcasts something along the lines of 38-24 noles or 45-31 noles.

by dale gribble on Dec 3, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

EAT MORE TURKEY

than we won’t have to eat more chicken.

by rspknole1 on Dec 3, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

VT's Schedule

A lot of great info on the stats BUT VT has played…drumroll….

ECU, Central Michigan, Boise, James Madison, Wake Forest, Duke, Virginia, GT, Miami (without Harris), UNC, NCS, and BC…not exactly murderor’s row. VT LOST to James Madison…think about that. I don’t care what short week it was.

While pointed out that our offense has faced the best defensive line-up in the country.

VT doesn’t scare me.

by Blazenole on Dec 3, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

I thought I was reading Boise’s schedule there for a second…

by jasonole59 on Dec 3, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah that doesn't matter because...

These stats are adjusted for opponent

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Its the fashion in which they beat those teams that should scare you.

Gripper Nation - Against Miami: Bobby Bowden .400 Winning %: All other FSU coaches combined .500 Winning %

by RaysnNoles on Dec 3, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I didnt watch a lot of their games but I did watch them play a Miami team

that was reeling and I wasnt too impressed. They didnt pull away until the 4th in that one. I cant comment on the other games because I dont know. Did GaTech have Nesbitt in that one? How many players did UNC have back from suspension when they played them?

by cerebralfish on Dec 3, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Bud, do you have the charts of how much VT ougained each opponent?

Gripper Nation - Against Miami: Bobby Bowden .400 Winning %: All other FSU coaches combined .500 Winning %

by RaysnNoles on Dec 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No

I wish

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

From CFBStats.com + Excel (garbage time not removed)

Sorted by performance:

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Dec 3, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So.

Just can’t wait to add Duke.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No Garbage time in Boise or GTech

so…that is encouraging.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Rico, can we get a side by side comparison with common opponents?

Gripper Nation - Against Miami: Bobby Bowden .400 Winning %: All other FSU coaches combined .500 Winning %

by RaysnNoles on Dec 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  


I think garbage time would be really important to account for here

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Dec 3, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I just do what the voices in my head tell me to

Oh, and posters, too.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Dec 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe...

That’s the game in which Nesbitt broke his arm. But they did need a very late kick return TD to put the game away. They also needed a last minute drive to beat an NC State team that seemingly had their number all game.
I think VT is a very good team, but they are not a world-beater. If we play disciplined, we should be able to win.

by 06N0LE on Dec 3, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

VT should scare you.

VT is #11 OFEI, #9 DFEI and #5 overall.

FSU is #8 OFEI, #38 DFEI and #16 overall.

VT is the better team regardless of who they have played.

by FSUjab on Dec 3, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really worried about our backs

JImbo kept Chris Thompson in the Florida game far too late. Should have used Smiley just to help run out the clock. Instead, Thompson is now less than 100% and Ty Jones could be a non-factor with a bad ankle. I’m hoping their injuries are minimal but it still worries me with only two backs (each of whom is injured).

by FSU PHD on Dec 3, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Any inside info on Smiley?

Cameron brought it up yesterday, and basically saying that he’s not cutting it. Is he having trouble with the mental side (playbook, blocking, etc…), or is he just not able to run at this level?

by jasonole59 on Dec 3, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Couple things

First, here’s the after-practice Jimbo interview from yesterday: Click Here

Relevant parts about RBs:

Q: “What percent do you think Ty Jones is? I know he’s been kind of banged up.”
A: “I think he’ll be relatively healthy. I guess I have to see the trainer tomorrow to you give you a percentage, but I think it’s a relatively high one. You know he was… to practice two days in a row (Tuesday/Wednesday), he never missed anything. So I feel pretty good about it unless something happens.”
Q: “You feel pretty good about Chris (Thompson) handling a bigger load if need be?”
A: “Yeah, I think so. We got that and we still got Lonnie back there. You can uh, put Debrale back there, we got Dunham, we got some guys who can do some things.”

Where's Dan Kendra when you need him?

by GregJones on Dec 3, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

If Jones practices all week, no reason not to expect him to play and do well.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Jimbo is not accurate here

And he will not play Dunham.

Really do not see Lonnie at Tb with a fullback in.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

Jimbo meant Lonnie would be doing anything but helping set up the run for Chris as usual. At least that’s my interpretation.

What don’t you think Jimbo is accurate about? Ty’s health? Can’t deny that he practiced okay.

Where's Dan Kendra when you need him?

by GregJones on Dec 3, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He can say he practiced and did great even if he wasn't out there

Practices are closed with guards at the gate.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

Didn’t even cross my mind. Yeah, he could be playing that game.

Where's Dan Kendra when you need him?

by GregJones on Dec 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Lonnie out of ace formation?

This season Jimbo’s done a lot of I formation with TB going in motion out wide. He really likes to run Lonnie out of this (ran it 2 or 3 times against UF with one going for TD). If we’re short on TBs why not have an extra blocker or skilled receiver out there?

I know that process is the focus, but I would really LOVE to see some results against UM and UF.

by SoCalNole on Dec 3, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yes. Saw this vs Clemson.

Ace-big. Steeler’s-esque

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Dec 3, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Smiley having concussion issues?

Heck, EJ was used to run it out on most of the final plays.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

My understanding...

Difficulty in pass pro & a few nagging injuries

by FSU on Dec 3, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeff Cameron

said that earlier this year XR laid out Debrale for one of the hits of the year.

FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.

by ricobert1 on Dec 3, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw it happen.

at the Spring game. He was going forward then immediately going backwards. It was insane.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang it I'm a liar.

been a long year. It was in fall practice, i’m looking for the video clip.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Just an observation but....

guys like Bright, Jenije, Dunham (IIRC), and others that don’t play much are AT LEAST playing on Special Teams.

I can’t even say I’ve even seen Smiley on Special Teams. That, to me, must mean he’s hurt, or something is seriously wrong. In fact, outside of UVA (IIRC) garbage time, I don’t think I’ve seen him at all.

by FOshizzleFSU on Dec 3, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Just went back and found that one.

Think that was what I was thinking about. Like I said, long year. However I do feel the need to pat myself on the back. My quick evaluation of that day of Smith and Haulstead:

Haulstead and Smith. Big. Physical. Need work. That is basically how I would sum up their performance during practice. Need work with routes, timing, and catching. Hope they learn fast.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the kind of stuff I love about TN

Guy in Ohio grew up a Nole because they were exciting on TV.

Root your ass off BuckeyeNole. Don’t be afraid to look like a crazy.

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely correct Bud

Haven’t had that butterflies in the stomach feeling often enough since, last saturday against the gates bieng one of them. Electric. would have given anything to be there but i’ll just have to “settle” for the ACC championship game with a brother that i don’t get to see enough of and plenty of alcohol. woe is me. i’ll do my best!

by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 3, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Quite a few FSU fans in Ohio on here, or that had lived/grew up in Ohio (myself included).

Always remember, Ohio State is 0-3 vs Florida State all time. All 3 games were either in the Shoe (2 of them) or a neutral field (Sugar Bowl).

Who’s your brother a fan of?

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I bring that fact up to everyone that rides me about not being an OSU fan

the brother has lived in the charlotte area for over 20 years, got his engineering degree from uncc so you can pretty much come to the conclusion that he is anti unc. so yeah, he gets it worse than i do. goes to alot of app state games believe it or not. not as polluted as the big boy programs he says. he moved a long time ago but still loves ohio sports sans the buckeyes, he could take em or leave em. also a non duke fan so he lives in a bad spot. sometimes i think he does it purposely.

by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

my dad is from ohio (even went to AN ohio state university) but moved to central fla in the 70s, where i was born in the heart of gator country; grew up a nole fan from there (mostly in the magnolia state where the battle could never be my team against yours, but conference arguments; i hope the entire sec goes down with $cam; man i hate the sec, bad); now i go to app state; i’m going to the first half of app/w illinois; hope i can bring some of their good fortune to charlotte on saturday night as well; it’ll be my first game since bobby’s last

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by SalmonNole on Dec 3, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

dwayne johnson?

(the rock)

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by SalmonNole on Dec 3, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

hes referring to Kidd Brewer

who was charged with collusion. appstate’s red headed step sisters to the west (western carolina) are so filled with jealousy and envy that they can only come up with that insult to appstate. still bitter that the old mountain jug has pretty much sat up a permanent residence in watauga county.

by stix11noles on Dec 3, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

two-time appstate student here...

just saying…not many universities name anything after felons, much less their stadiums. :)

by wnc_nole on Dec 3, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

boone native

that felon also coached a team that went undefeated…and UNSCORED UPON for an entire regular season…probably has more to do with why the stadium was named after him. plus the charges were some 25 yrs after his coaching days were over

by stix11noles on Dec 3, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm, wikitrivia:

…“second college football game ever televised by ESPN as the Mountaineers played the Western Carolina Catamounts for the Old Mountain Jug in 1979.”

by wnc_nole on Dec 3, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

kidd(ing)

the stadium’s nickname is “the rock” (dwayne johnson)

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by SalmonNole on Dec 3, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i wish i could be there tomorrow

the rock will be jumping…i was up for the wofford game and it was possibly the loudest i’ve ever seen it

by stix11noles on Dec 3, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He goes to panthers games in a Kosar jersey...

and not a throwback one..that should tell you something. lol

by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 3, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get the throwback part, but going to Panthers games in a Browns(?) Kosar jersey is funny.

Maybe he didn’t get enough attention growing up.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a original jersey...from the 80's

Not one of these overpriced replica’s they’re pushin off on us nowadays. Just a little rough, plenty of tailgate food and booze stains on that puppy. that thing has been through the ringer, i try not to look directly at it for too long….

by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 3, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

me too.
Quite a few FSU fans in Ohio on here, or that had lived/grew up in Ohio (myself included).

Born in Columbus, grew up in Akron and Medina. Both of my parents went to OSU. My wife is from that area too (maybe the only pretty girl born in Ohio, but then she has southern roots:) My folks now live outside Monticello,. FL, and we are all Nole fans.

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by PeachTreeNole on Dec 3, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

glad to have you on board Seminole Nation.

The fact that you are from another State, liked the Noles when it was easy, and now, after the Lost Decade, are still a fan, well that’s enough for me to welcome you!!

by ActiveAgent on Dec 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

Glad to have you aboard!

by Invictus13 on Dec 3, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

welcome

One difference you’ll notice right away is we don’t throw bottles at refs. Just kidding (bottle gate 2001).
Don’t be shy, make some noise when we’re on D!

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by slumgullion on Dec 3, 2010 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nice reference on the bottle gate

I’d like to think that they had mistaken the refs for beer vendors and were simply asking for another cold one, after all it’s quite warm on the shore of lake erie. in the middle of December…but i digress. will give it hell at the game gauranteed. not sure what to expect in the club seats though, not usually my style. especially with all the nc state fans present that couldn’t unload their pricey seats. i somehow feel like i may be the minority in this situation but i’ve become used to being the underdog. i drink my beer from the bottle and i jump up and yell when my team does well so they had better get acclimated.

by buckeyeNOLE on Dec 3, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Great story

and welcome to the crew!

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by Dogrel on Dec 3, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

RB"S

Pryor has played a lot this year, his running style is well suited to run against Va Tech. Dunham has played special teams this year, we haven’t heard much about him. I have always thought that he had the potential and I supported him in arguments prior to the season, when most were saying he would never be anything. WELL I HOPE THAT HE IS READY-because he is going to get his opportunity!! With Dunham and Pryor in the game, we might get to where they are blocking and Ponder or EJ are running up behind those two blockers right through Va tech’s line.

by rspknole1 on Dec 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

He runs hard

And they arent that great up front im guessing.

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by xWd40x on Dec 3, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just pointing out that our scheme doesn't change from game to game

He either is or he isn’t suited to run in zone blocking. It might be easier for him to run in the scheme when he doesn’t have to be as precise with his one cut, which may be what rspknole1 is getting at.

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by DKfromVA on Dec 3, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Pryor is the most well-rounded back we have.

He is effective at everything he is told to do with hardly any mistakes. Gotta love that guy.

by cerebralfish on Dec 3, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

He's great in everything. . . except the zone scheme

pass pro, run blocking, catching out of the backfield, running the iso. But FSU’s bread and butter (the zone) does not include the ball in his hands.

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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 3, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I think hes great in pass protection....

He was the one who layed a lot of the key blocks in the UF game, including the key block on Haulstead’s TD I believe. The only thing Pryor isnt great at is making guys miss but he still seems to gain yards anyway.

by cerebralfish on Dec 3, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He spring EJ on his options also....

Pryor, without a doubt, is one of the more valuable players on this team. We all know that.

Really love how whenever called upon, this guy gets the job done. Real lunch pale guy.

by FOshizzleFSU on Dec 3, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Prior though isn't a great one cut back. He runs downhill which isn't great in our scheme.

He would be a better runner in a more traditional offense but he’ll have a great pro-career because of Jimbo due to the number of things he does for us.

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by CJNole on Dec 3, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

He's also very valuable in pass pro

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

PRYOR

What I meant is that Pryor hits that hole hard and if we have good blocking at the point of attach. He will push the pile and get 4-5 yards, which would give us enough yardage to control the ball, controlling the time of Possession . This not only reduces the Va tech offense time, but wears out their DL, by the end of the game.

by rspknole1 on Dec 3, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If we had a lunch pail award...

LP would have gotten my vote numerous times this year. He has to be one of the hardest working, team first guys on the team.

by PTCNole on Dec 3, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Not following this under the offensive breakdown under scheme...

They like to use both curl/flat LBs in zone and have them semi-spy as well.

Was this meant for the defensive scheme portion?

by arrdub on Dec 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

VT build a good record every year because they are normally faster than the teams they face.

Which is precisely why they are routinely unsuccessful when facing the noles. They will try to use speed vs speed and I dont see the noles being caught off guard by VT. I think were as fast if not faster. As long as we dont give up the deep ball we will be fine. FSU 27-17…. my maryland game prediction was 34-20 final was 30-16….UF prediction was 31-17 FSU final score 31-7 FSU and I added Urban would try a fake punt! Cerebraldamas…. lets go Noles!

by cerebralfish on Dec 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Just curious

Were there any predictions for BC, Clemson, UNC, and NC State?

by nole country for old men on Dec 3, 2010 8:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

VT Run Defense allowing 169 ypg

VT is allowing 170 ypg in ACC play and are 7th in conference. I think we will be able to run on VT if Chris Thompson & Ty Jones are good to go and healthy. Some motion on the line and RB’s slipping through defender and then catching ball catching ball by RB’s on sides or will keep them guessing. we used to run these plays a lot last year but haven’t seen them this year .

I watched archived games that VT played with NC State & Miami last couple of days. It seems NC State & Miami ran the ball with ease. Russell Wilson picked them apart in passing game for first half but had couple of costly intersections. Miami ran the ball very well on VT but lost the game because of again costly intersection in 4th quarter. The point of emphasis here would be not to shoot yourself in the foot.

Defensively, we have to patient. TT is going make plays like RW with his feet. So we have to accept it and not over pursue it otherwise he will burn us for long yardage. I have observed TT is not patient in the pocket as soon as he starts feeling pressure and believes too much in his abilities to avoid pressure. Miami sacked him several time early in the game because he underestimated how Miami defense was. On 3rd down in passing situation, TT looks for Danny Cole so need to cover him better. Like Bud said, VT offense is not patient with sustained drives of 15-20 plays. They like to take a shot deep field several times.

We need to stay disciplined on offense and avoid slow start, false start & holding penalties. If we run well which I think we will, that should avoid miscues & penalties as well. I am getting feeling that we will dominate upfront and our running game will be good.

by indynole on Dec 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Much of that was garbage time

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Cant we put a Mark Kelso helmet on Spurlock??

Remember Kelso?? He looked like marvin martian. Spurlock needs that helmet to protect that glass dome of his.

by cerebralfish on Dec 3, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

?

How much of that yardage can be equated to garbage time?

Since VT was undefeated in the ACC, obviously there was garbage time for their opponents. But why would they be running if they were down so much? Just throwing in the towel?

(I’ve only seen VT vs Boise and 3 quarters vs Miami this year).

by BostonNole on Dec 3, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Wake Forest has 150 rushing yards in garbage time...

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

ACC Run stats against VT

Here are rushing yardage against VT by ACC opponents,
Miami – 262
NC State – 145
UNC – 117
VA – 70
Wake Forest – 254 – 150 = 104
BC- 92
GT – 346
Duke –
Non ACC
Boise : 168

Yes, some of yardage of ACC teams is in garbage time but VT front 7 is not as stout as BC / Clemson. We will be able to run in the range of 140 to 180 yards unless they load the box with 8 to take away Run.

by indynole on Dec 3, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

GT is an option team

Total yards is silly, focus on yards/rush

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

total yards isn't entirely silly.. just silly without context.

If they’re grinding out 4 ypc but manage to move chains and keep the ball the whole game, that’s significant, eh?

by arrdub on Dec 3, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, true

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

w/o garbage time taken into consideration (just since i have that number)

VT allows 4.85 ypc against FBS teams.

but i guess if Wake racked up 150 in garbage time (as Bud mentioned) that number is definitely inflated

I just didnt think there would be that many rushing attempts during garbage time – since I didnt see the games (which is why I was asking).

by BostonNole on Dec 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the consensus is that our offense will be able to move the ball and score

But will our defense be able to stop their offense.

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by RaysnNoles on Dec 3, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

is Spurlock's career over?

This concussion must be damn serious. Not looking for him to comeback too soon. Is he still failing the memory and coordination tests?

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by slumgullion on Dec 3, 2010 10:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

He is done for the year

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, that's why that one LB about 5 years ago had to call it quits.

Forget his name.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Jae Thaxton Im pretty sure

I used to go watch the practices back then all the time. He was always out by himself dragging the weights on the grass while the team practiced. One of the more impressive looking LBs we had at the time, which included, Buster, Timmons, and Sims.

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by harper.rb on Dec 3, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Think you're right

I seem to remember he was a special teams beast as a freshman but the concussion(s) kept him from ever playing much LB.

by bdahern on Dec 3, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the guy.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

FSU +4

I think teams are pretty evenly matched too. I bet on FSU +4.

Would be nice to see FSU-Stanford in the Orange Bowl. West Virginia would be dullsville but I think Orange Bowl would only take WVU if its vs Va Tech matchup.

by Mr. Smith on Dec 3, 2010 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

I dont think we want Stanford right now....

They pass down field a lot and we made CJ Yates look like Tom Brady. We have done much better lately but I’ll pass on the Stanford matchup.

by cerebralfish on Dec 3, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I didnt say we would win

Stanford is really good. FSU would be an underdob, but on a good day they could win. But its a more interesting matchup than WVU

by Mr. Smith on Dec 3, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

I want Connecticut

:)

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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 3, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, any Big East team not named USF or WVU would be great.

UConn has the best shot it seems.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Why no USF?

Would like to put them back in their place… And tear down that reTARD big 4 billboard

by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Dec 3, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that still up?

And we have them on the schedule for 2012. I’d rather just take Manuel as a senior to their place and punish them. I’d rather not risk it by playing them a 3rd time “unnecessarily”. And it’s not that I’m afraid of WVU or anything. Just tired of playing them. And if we play them in the Orange Bowl where Bowden is doing the coin flip or whatever, that’s just more of the same from last year. Lame.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

that way I will never have to hear my friends up here who are UConn season ticket holders say “UConn would killl FSU if they ever played.”

Its really been getting on my nerves the past few years.

by BostonNole on Dec 3, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I do want Uconn to have a decent football program

but I’ve always dreamed of just absolutely pummeling them.

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by CT_Nole on Dec 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

what UConn fan would say that?

every UConn fan I know basically takes the stance that winning the Big East will lock them into an embarrassment on National TV. UConn isn’t really good, they’re solid at several positions but not good.

by B-rod24 on Dec 3, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Must be.

That’s a ridiculous comment for them to make.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

the ones I know are delusional

but all of the in-state press just builds up how incredible the program is doing (which they are given how they just started), so everyone is bullheaded. Couple that with how FSU was getting beaten every which way the past couple of years… So I would just love to let them know what it’s like to play big boy southern football.

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by CT_Nole on Dec 3, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I couldn’t agree with this more! They are easily influenced by the in-state press and they are always at my family’s house the Saturday after Thanksgiving for dinner, so they’ve witnessed FSU getting beat down the past 6 years (prior to this one). So I would LOVE if we were matched up with them. I’d throw a huge party, and let myself be outnumbered and listen to all of there pregame BS…. and then just laugh my ass off when we win by 42.

by BostonNole on Dec 4, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Auburn

Auburn loses against SC tommorrow and they end up in the Orange IMO

by orlnole on Dec 3, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Cam Newton not playing?

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by RaysnNoles on Dec 3, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

nah

he’s was reinstated on tues or wed after a few hours of being ’ineligible"; did nothing wrong, eh? why the suspension at all? sbn and trackemtigers, as well as rollbamaroll have pretty good threads explaining a lot of it; sort of

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by SalmonNole on Dec 3, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

meant "yeah"

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by SalmonNole on Dec 3, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kind of being sarcastic

I don’t see how USCe wins if Newton is playing

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by RaysnNoles on Dec 3, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

missed it

at any rate, i think the chickens have a real shot; they’ve been playing some good ball, and allbarn’s luck has to run out at some point, right?

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by SalmonNole on Dec 3, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Their defense is very good. Auburn’s defense is highly inconsistent, and I think Lattimore has a big day against them.

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by CornNole on Dec 3, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

South Carolina could definitely win. For sure.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually RnN is smarter than that.

He must be drunk.

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by CornNole on Dec 3, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Stanford would blast us if we played.

It would take a heck of an effort just to keep the game close.

by fsucj2431 on Dec 3, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Would they?

Our offense is arguably better than Oregon’s based on FEI and Oregon lit up Stanford. Stanford, though, is #3 in FEI fwiw.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No. Oregon 18. Stanford 22.

Crazy things going on with that FEI.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Heck, Auburn is 13.

What is going on here?

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Like how a team who gets slammed for SOS is so highly rated in everything?

I trust it to some degree, but at some point common sense has to prevail IMO

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by CornNole on Dec 3, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Oregon did to them what they do to everybody. LOTS OF PLAYS. We don't do that.

In the first half. OU ran 47 plays for 343. Two picks and one punt. First 5 drives were 8/7/9/7/8 plays. Wore their asses out. Can we do that to SU?

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 3, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

FEI or not, there is no way our offense is better than Oregon’s because of how many plays they can run and the tempo of their offense. As of now we are no where near Oregon. If I remember correctly the game was very tight and Stanford had some unfortunate turnovers that allowed Oregon to pull away. Regardless, Luck is far better than any QB FSU has played this year. We could not stop their offense although one could argue we could score with them. I feel like we would be able to put up some points but not get enough stops.

by fsucj2431 on Dec 3, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, the tempo wore Stanford out.

47 plays in the first half. OU started breaking long ones in the second. Same thing they did to just about everyone they’ve played.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 3, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree and want no part of Stanford.

I was pointing out why Oregon was successful and that their style is something we don’t/won’t/can’t replicate.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 3, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

I think a potential beat down by Stanford is a better outcome when compared to a potential loss to a Big East team. I think all FSU fans have been trained to question our teams ability to win a big game due to the letdowns over the past decade….but I like our team. I actually think we have a team that is capable of beating just about any team in the nation when playing well. This is not coming from a “stat” guy or anything, just my opinion.

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by knee pain on Dec 3, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

To add to this

We were 2 plays away from being 11-1. Those 2 losses came against an NC State team that played ECU prior to us, and a UNC team that played W&M prior to us. What I am getting at is that both teams had ample time to prepare for us, and we still nearly won both games. Ya, we didn’t play well against BC, but other than that game, Clemson was the only other game that we didn’t play well down the stretch (and that was without CP7).

No pain No gain.

by knee pain on Dec 3, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to refer to a great quote from a past thread.

We’re those same two plays away from being highly overrated.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 3, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and no

How many of the top 15-20 teams would you say are overrated? I mean we are 2 plays away from being right where Va Tech is right now (undefeated in the ACC). I am not saying we deserve to be there, but we were close.

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by knee pain on Dec 4, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We'd be in the top ten. That would be WAY overrated.

11-1 with an early season loss to Oklahoma.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 4, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I will be happy with the "anybody, anytime" mentality when we are no longer in a rebuilding year.

This IS a rebuilding year and we’ve shown that we’re ahead of schedule. Absolutely no reason to play legitimate top ten teams during a rebuilding year though. I am not afraid of a letdown loss to Stanford…I am afraid of playing teams we’re not yet good enough to beat.

I want to finish the year on a high note and do absolutely nothing to diminish what we’ve already accomplished. If we win the ACC, a BIG IF, I’ll take a bowl win over the weakest team available and chant 11-3 all day long.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 3, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you only play those games in a rebuilding year

Why risk playing tough teams in a year you think you can win it all? There’s no reward to playing those games.

by evenflow58 on Dec 4, 2010 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

That is my main point. We are just talking hypothetically right now. Maybe I should ask this question: What outcome would you rather have, a beatdown by Stanford or a loss to a Big East team? I don’t think either would be likely, but the scenario is possible. I will try and get off this negative path for now, because all I care about is beating Va Tech tonight!

No pain No gain.

by knee pain on Dec 4, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think *any* Big East team wins the Orange Bowl.

Watching WVU right now and not impressed.

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by DRusso97 on Dec 4, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You're talking about purposely playing those games (scheduling)

and that’s not a bad way to look at it. I’m talking about a wish list to end a season with a team we have a better chance of beating than getting blown out.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 4, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And just WHICH Big East team do you think could beat FSU in a potential Orange Bowl matchup??
I think a potential beat down by Stanford is a better outcome when compared to a potential loss to a Big East team.

I, for one, don’t want a beat down at the hands of Stanford…..I’d rather beat UConn by 2 TD’s & call it a season.

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by DRusso97 on Dec 4, 2010 4:41 AM EST up reply actions  

First,

We are all living in hypothetical land here. A lot has to happen today for any of what we are talking about can take place. I for one would rather beat a Big East team by 2 touchdowns than get beat by Stanford, but if I had to choose which of those 2 games I would rather lose to, I will pick the Stanford game. I don’t think it is likely that we would lose to a Big East team, but anything is possible (bad luck with turnovers, injuries, ect). A loss to a Big East team would not be expected, so if it happened it would be a black eye in what was for the most part a great year.

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by knee pain on Dec 4, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Refer to UM/UF point spreads.

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by DRusso97 on Dec 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

oops your right.

we beat two 7-5 teams handily. Certainly we could beat a 9-3 West Virginia by at least two touchdowns.

Doesn’t matter that they are the #1 FEI ranked defense in college football and only give up 12 pts/game.

Totally disregard the fact that they haven’t given up more than 20 points all year.

Yeah, I’ll just rewatch the UF game and feel much better.

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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 4, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I have watched WVU a couple times this year and, when adjusted for crap competition, they do not scare me.

And I add given a month off to rest & repair. FSU’s line could handle their 3-man front easily. Combo blocks to the 2nd (and 3rd, if you include Pryor) would result in nice chunks of yardage on the ground. Do you see anyone in their front 3 who would get consistent pressure & require a double team? I don’t.
At any rate, it’s moot right now…….because it’s time to “eat more chiken”.

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by DRusso97 on Dec 5, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

You may be right about that.

I’ve only seen the Maryland game and I was thinking at the time of 2-10 Maryland, not the much improved.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 4, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Our offense has faced much tougher defenses, too.

The 3rd and 4th best teams Oregon has faced have the 76th and 81st ranked defenses according to FEI. I think without a doubt we faced a tougher slate of defenses. BC, UNC, Clemson, UF, OU, NC State, Miami…

I’m not saying our offense is better but Oregon’s wouldn’t have put up the numbers it did vs the schedule we faced.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call their offense better either.

But, it can be devastating because of style and I think that’s what happened to Stanford.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Dec 3, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It's stuff like this that delegitimizes FEI, in my opinion

I don’t care what their numbers say, we aren’t a Top 10 offense and certainly aren’t better than Oregon.

by Pre on Dec 4, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

But Oregon doesn't play good defenses, either.

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by tricknole on Dec 4, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Smiley

What’s the deal? We haven’t seen him at all. He doesn’t get it?

by CubicheNole on Dec 3, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

I like how everyone gets a little write-up but this guy
TE 86 Eric Martin 6-2 268 r-Fr. Woodbridge, VA

As if the reaction is, “DAAAYUUM, Woodbridge?!”

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by ricobert1 on Dec 3, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Crazy.

And now they know who you are…

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that is troublesome

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Most of the time I think rain works against FSU's athleticism and slows us down.

This year though I wouldnt mind as much because the biggest threat to our defense is the deep ball which will be more difficult to execute in the rain. Our offense is mainly a nickel and dime type offense so I wouldnt think the rain would play much of a factor there. Also it could help slow down Tyrod as he cuts a lot.

by cerebralfish on Dec 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Unlike Rix, Christian's a mudder.

Think the offense will do OK in poor conditions.

by arrdub on Dec 3, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Loves the slop

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by RaysnNoles on Dec 3, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

his dad, you know daddy

his dad? OH HIS FATHER!!!
I have a Dutch accent isnt that veird?

by Mateo9399 on Dec 3, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

slick field?

maybe the UF equipment guy can send VT some cleats.

by atonole on Dec 3, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It will be really cold especially for our guys but I dont think the rain will be a factor...

If it rains at all it wont be much and will probably be late. Its 70% chance of rain here in East TN where I live on Saturday so that would suggest it wouldnt quite be that far east by saturday.. Maybe Saturday really late or Sunday very early 1-2-3am. I’m more worried about cold than rain, but wasnt the Maryland game cold??

by cerebralfish on Dec 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Curious....

Andrew Carter had a piece comparing stats of R Wilson vs. T Taylor… Wilson had the bigger numbers, overall, but Taylor much more efficient, double the ypc. I wonder how much of this is due to protection? What are relative sack frequencies for RW vs. TT? Anybody have the data?

If VT’s OL is really good at pass pro, that could be troubling…

by arrdub on Dec 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

I do not think it is protection all that much

I think Wilson tries to do too much and NCST doesn’t run

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes sense...

at the very least, since NCSU doesn’t run as well, makes sense that RW gets abused a little more with teams tee’ing off on the pass rush.

But would still like to see sack #’s if someone can generate them. Here were the games against common opponents:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2010/12/virginia-tech-qb-tyrod-taylor-vs-russell-wilson.html

vs. Boston College:
Taylor: 16-21; 237 yards; 0 TD; 1 INT … 9 rush; 10 yards; 0 TD
Wilson: 38-51; 328 yards; 3 TD; 2 INT … 14 rush; 45 yards; 0 TD

vs. East Carolina:
Taylor: 8-16; 199 yards; 2 TD; 0 INT … 9 rush; 32 yards; 0 TD
Wilson: 26-52; 322 yards; 1 TD; 3 INT … 10 rush; 37 yards; 1 TD

vs. Georgia Tech:
Taylor: 15-25; 137 yards; 1 TD; 1 INT … 9 rush; 57 yards; 0 TD
Wilson: 28-41; 368 yards; 3 TD; 1 INT … 9 rush; 16 yards; 1 TD

vs. North Carolina:
Taylor: 13-28; 249 yards; 2 TD; 0 INT … 8 rush; -3 yards; 0 TD
Wilson: 15-29; 163 yards; 2 TD; 1 INT … 10 rush; 26 yards; 0 TD

…rushing stats are comparable… but overall season, Taylor kills RW in ypc.

Taylor: 154-256; 2,258 yards; 20 TD; 4 INT … 119 carries; 613 yards; 4 TD
Wilson: 280-481; 3,288 yards; 26 TD; 14 INT … 130 carries; 381 yards; 9 TD

by arrdub on Dec 3, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Another kick a$$ read from TN

LOVE IT.

What a chess match this is gonna be between Jimbo & Bud (Foster). if CP has time you GOTTA believe someone will get eventually get open. I.e. Taiwan’s TD last weekend. Especially play-action.

by rabidnole21 on Dec 3, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

the TD to Taiwan was a classic Mike Leach play

created space running wr’s downfield and made LB’s spread with HB swinging out into the flats

by dj2fsu on Dec 3, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a great play

And a great call. I loved how much space Tai found himself in…

by Invictus13 on Dec 3, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Beautiful call....

IIRC, this was right after Beau’s drop in the end-zone. CJF called a timeout, and I’m guessing drew this up then. Helluva call if you ask me.

by FOshizzleFSU on Dec 3, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Noles Got This

Great analysis as always. As you said It’s important to not rush the pocket but push the pocket. Force TT to scramble outside and have one of our DE’s waiting to crush him. If we drop our linebackers into coverage as we did in NC State game we need our DT’s to stay front and center and not get pushed left and right. Prevent TT from being able to run. If we do this and our coverage stays disciplined i think we have a good shot at taking the title back to Tallahassee.

by O-townNole227 on Dec 3, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

It is nice to see such optimism from the TN faithful, after many of you thought FL was going to beat us

but I have to say I am more worried about this one. First of all, we have struggled defensively against solid QB’s all year. VPI has a good one. Second, we have performed best in games that meant the most to us. As mentioned several times here, this game is just gravy. We will not judge this as a failed season if we lose.

I have only picked us to lose twice this year—Miami and OU. This is the third. I think we will lose in a close game at the end. It’s a great match-up and should be fun to watch, but I think we will come up short.

If our special teams are outstanding and we avoid mental mistakes, we can easily win this game. But I put it at 45% and predict a score of 28-24 VT. I hope I’m wrong.

by SDnole on Dec 3, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

I think this game "means much to us", so I'm not sure about your second point.

Just because it is gravy (as far as expectations), it doesn’t mean it is without meaning to the players and coaches that want this ring.

by jasonole59 on Dec 3, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still a bit worried

BUT, I’m slowly starting to lose my “always expect the worst” attitude… we’re once again starting to show that we can win games.

However, though I do hope we win and I hope the players really, really want it, I am one who sees this as a big bonus game – I didn’t expect us to be in this thing after the NCSt loss, and I didn’t expect an ACC title this year. So, if we get it, GREAT. If not, I still think we’re ahead of “schedule” and that pleases me immensely.

by Invictus13 on Dec 3, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Great preview Bud.

I have a feeling we win. This game is sort of like the 2005 Conference title game where nobody was picking us. Hopefully our guys come out and play free and loose. If we can contain TT, and force him to beat us with his arm the whole way down the field we will win. I think we take it 31-24.

by fsunole23 on Dec 3, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

A 275 pound left tacke replacement looks troublesome for VT

Left tackle is very important on pass protection. It would seem to me FSU can get a pretty good rush on the passer here. Similar to having Datko out and replaced by a 275 pounder.
I can see Taylor being flushed out of the pocket often.

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 3, 2010 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Brandon Jenkins

Death from the blind from the blind side!

by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Dec 3, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Our D went from 115th in the nation in 09 to11th in the nation in ypp

We are giving up 4.7 ypp compared to 6.6, and like we said before the season started, this D will only get better as the year goes on. Our DL will not be facing a Big OL that will wear them down as fast as the other teams we have played this year, we will still have a tough time stoppin the run bc of their backs but we match up very well size wise across the front line. If we stop Tyrod on 3rd down runs we win.

by dj2fsu on Dec 3, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think we will win

Mostly because our defensive line (DTs) are completely done. Those boys have fought bravely all season and will be lights out for the bowl game. However they are in desperate need of rest and relaxation.

by Legal_Seminole on Dec 3, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

hopefully they did't treat UF

like the last lap. I’m worried about FSU coming of an exciting emotional win, giving it their all. Could be really flat in this game. Hope not.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

couldnt agree more

if we show up i think we take the title home

by ChyTownNole on Dec 3, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting game

This is a classic, due to Va Tech, don’t usually have the athletes we have at all of the positions, but they some very good players and Frank Beamer is a very good head coach and Bud Foster is a great Defensive coach.

We have only blew out 2 teams, Miami and Florida and played a lot of close games, where you have to control your mistakes, IMO this helps us become a team that can win any game.

VA Tech has scored a lot of points and I’m not sure that prepares you for the tough games against equal teams at the end of the season.

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by rspknole1 on Dec 3, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree with Beamer being a very good head coach

I think he’s a very good special teams coordinator and a decent head coach that found a good defensive coordinator. He recruits VA well but I think he could have done so much more with some of the opportunities he’s had, like made some NC runs while the ACC has been awful.

by evenflow58 on Dec 3, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It is only Friday???

I am already nervous! Its going to be a long road to Saturday 7:45pm.

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by FSU4me on Dec 3, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

I hope saturday proves me right

I think tech’s secondary is overrated and I see Christian having a lot of success finding the holes in the zone and I don’t see him throwing INT’s unless its 3rd and Long and he forces it into coverage or on a deep ball. Morgan for VT #2 I feel is the most overrated

by dj2fsu on Dec 3, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Why do you think VT secondary is overrated?

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I will say this about the VT secondary

They are pretty good but not better than UF’s secondary. I saw the Boise game on TV and the VT secondary got some interference calls being aggressive. I hope this is the case tomorrow.

I just have a feeling FSU wins this game.

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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 3, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

as always doc

I hope you are right.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

you have to buy vowels though

i’m spinning and chosing the letter L

by BostonNole on Dec 3, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But, dude, in the bonus round you get not only L for free, but you have to take RSTN and E as well… there are two Ss, two Es and an N up there that I wouldn’t wanna take with the L.

I might just choose to buy that vowel instead… :-}

by Invictus13 on Dec 3, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Non ACCCG game related question

This might be a stupid question, but how is it that there are two FSU players playing with the #7 uniform? One being CP of course… the other guy is on defense (I didn’t catch the name). I noticed it at the Virginia game. I didn’t know there could be two people on the same team with the same number.

by fsugrl2005 on Dec 3, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Ponder and Christian Jones wear #7

The rule is something like you can have 2 players with the same # as long as they are not on the field at the same time – i.e. offense and defense.

by bdahern on Dec 3, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

I asked about 5 people at the game why that would be and they had no clue.

by fsugrl2005 on Dec 3, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

There could be more than two #7's, too. They could all be defensive players even.

Just as long as only one is on the field at a time. But that’d just be an unwise move to risk it with a possible injury and a duplicate number being the replacement.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

answered your own question...

one on offense, one of defense. Hence, their not on the field at the same time. Ironically, the defensive player’s name is Christian also. Christian Jones.

by FOshizzleFSU on Dec 3, 2010 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

*They're (really hate that)

also, forgot to hit reply. Looong day.

by FOshizzleFSU on Dec 3, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing's "ironny," unless perhaps you iron it a lot.

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by BigSpear on Dec 3, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it weird

That both players with number 7 are key players that are named Christian. It would be way easier for Jones to have a different number than our Senior quarterback.

Maybe they did it this way because we are obliviously won’t use Ponder for anything but offense to avoid injury? Jones can play special teams and defense without worry about number violations this way.

by Nole Patrol on Dec 3, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

its easy

cotton tshirt-long sleeve tshirt-sweater (something thick)- something that stops wind

multiple socks.

by B-rod24 on Dec 3, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually no cotton. Polyester (like fleece) much better insulator.

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by BigSpear on Dec 3, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard wool's good.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

buy some hand warmers to stick in the gloves

best investment during a cold and possibly rainy game

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by FSULeeBelle on Dec 3, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

$5 in chemical hand and foot warmers will equal a much happer cold-weather experience for everyone involved, and one set will last the length of the game

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by Dogrel on Dec 4, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Just don't let one get near your taint.

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by DRusso97 on Dec 4, 2010 4:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Surprised at the 50% prediction

Having watched Florida on TV and having watched VT on TV, VT is the better team and its not that close. So how do you get 45% chance to beat Florida and 50% to beat VT. I understand FSU had struggled a lot in the past against Florida and done well against VT, but based on good each team is this year, the last two predictions don’t make much sense. I am saying this all as a UMD fan, so I don’t have a dog in the fight.

by philibu on Dec 3, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Still much more talent on UF team than VT.

Much more size for their oline in UF, FSU defense was/is worn out. Will/should have an easier time against VT oline. It is a matter of how a team matches up with another. Don’t think FSU is a team that is so much worse than VT to make it “not that close.” I do think VT is the better overall team though but they have done tremendously well with turnovers. We’ll see what kind of game it is if FSU holds onto the ball.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I suggest

You re-read the preview. If you still don’t understand Bud’s prediction, then read again. Repeat if needed.

by NC Nole on Dec 3, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair question.

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by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Key match ups tend to favor FSU in this one

I think we’ll get beat if we are worn out, which we should be (mentally if not physically)

by evenflow58 on Dec 3, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it crazy if just 15 minutes after reading this I....

bought round trip tickets to Charlotte, made hotel reservations, am watiing to pick up two 50 yard line tickets, and am now $75 from a maxed out credit card?

Well, I don’t care because I just did

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by HerstyNole on Dec 3, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Rec

it isn’t crazy, it’s INSANE. HAHA. Have fun at the game, take photos, cheer loud.

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by onebarrelrum on Dec 3, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Your $500 credit limit? haha

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"Correct, Sir Trick."

by tricknole on Dec 3, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

VT has Dominated all their opponents

in the 2nd half of games. The play below average in the beginning then turn it up late (cept for JMU, still had a chance). I would say whoever is winning at the half is in trouble for finishing it off. Coaches win titles, Players win championships. Doesn’t get more even than 50%…

by Mannieblunts on Dec 3, 2010 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

RecHoliday2

"They quit. Jimbo, they quit."

by NorthernHaze on Dec 3, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No Huddle / Hurry up offense

Miami had some quick / no huddle / hurry up offense run plays against VT and had good success. We had some of that against UNC. I think we should try those against VT…

Actually, VT might run some of them against us if they watch our OKlahoma game . MD tried to do that without much success though…

by indynole on Dec 3, 2010 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

Terrible idea for us to do it

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 3, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

though not as harshly, I agree with Bud.

to make an analogy, it like adding chocolate syrup to fried eggs. because some people think chocolate syrup tastes good.

Our O is not a quick-paced, lets run pre-planned unadjusted routes. It requires Ponder to see the D, make the reads adjust the O; give the WRs to understand how the D is lining up, etc. It’s a sophisticated offense that doesn’t need the hurry-up if executed accurately.

"…You can't get enough Lonnie Pryors on your football team." -Eddie Gran

by harper.rb on Dec 3, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking solely based on not wearing out our defense!

This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.

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by Bud Elliott on Dec 4, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

VT Special Teams

I am worried about VT’s kick return game. VT has return kickoff for TD in two of their games – NCST &GT. the one in GT was gamechanger… I am worried about their special teams ! .. last week Andre Debose from Florida almost broke one !! hope we cover them well…

by indynole on Dec 3, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Im worried a bit

about our injuries coming to play in this game. With Ponder out and all our RB’s banged up, we may be in for a long night.

by CPNole on Dec 4, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

im getting butterflies again...

go Noles! im so glad its on national tv this time woohoo! i can watch it on the tv instead of my small laptop…

on a real note… im happy for EJ, this gives him a great opportunity (for better or for worse)

by mytalon4u2nv on Dec 4, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

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