Chick-Fil-A Bowl Preview: South Carolina Gamecocks vs. Florida State Seminoles
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The South Carolina Gamecocks take on the Florida State Seminoles in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl, tomorrow night at 7:30 Eastern. Can Florida State upset the Gamecocks and take home a Peach Bowl victory?
Both teams enter with 9-4 records after finishing the regular season at 9-3 and losing conference championship games to superior teams (Auburn and Virginia Tech). South Carolina is at the pinnacle of a rebuilding effort under Steve Spurrier and is shooting for 10 wins for the first time in seemingly forever. Florida State is looking to cap its first year of an excellent year one of rebuilding under Jimbo Fisher.
South Carolina is a 3.5-point favorite in the contest, having been the slightly better team over the course of the season and having fewer injury concerns.
Storylines abound for this game as Steve Spurrier, long-time coach of the Florida Gators takes on the Seminoles once again. Spurrier is perhaps more tolerable now that he isn't at a rival school, but many FSU fans still have an intense dislike for the coach who whined to officials about hits on his quarterback and coined the phrase "Free Shoes University."
This is a matchup of two excellent offenses, one very good defense (South Carolina), and one average defense (Florida State). On the fast track of the Georgia Dome, big plays can be expected.
Florida State's Defense Against South Carolina's Offense
I have to admit I didn't watch too much South Carolina this year. But one of our friends in the business did: ShakinTheSouthland. Again, I encourage you to visit STS for all types of great football analysis.
QB
5 Stephen Garcia 6-2 227 JR- has had a very nice season for an excellent South Carolina offense. Mobile QB with a nice arm, runs hot and cold.
RB
21 Marcus Lattimore 6-0 218 FR- Best RB FSU has faced all season
10 Brian Maddox 5-11 229 SR- quality multi-purpose guy
31 Kenny Miles 5-10 192 SO
FB
47 Patrick DiMarco 6-1 243 SR- versatile H-Back
10 Brian Maddox 5-11 229 JR- multi-purpose back
WR
1 Alshon Jeffery 6-4 233 SO- Best receiver FSU has faced all year.
81 Tori Gurley 6-5 230 SO- Excellent possession receiver.
9 Ace Sanders 5-7 166 FR- Short, fast, and used on reverses.
82 D.L. Moore 6-4 211
4 Jason Barnes 6-4 211 JR
TE
47 Patrick DiMarco 6-1 243 SR
7 Justice Cunningham 6-3 268 SO
OL
68 Kyle Nunn 6-5 304 JR 77 Garrett Chisolm 6-6 303 SR Terrence Caampbell 6-3 305 JR
55 T.J. Johnson 6-4 302 SO
73 Rokevious Watkins 6-4 325 JR
66 Hutch Eckerson 6-4 281 SR
South Carolina's offense is best described as "multiple" in every sense of the word. You will see a wide array of formations out of the Gamecocks week in and week out. You will also see a variety of play types out of each of these formations meaning that the defense has less of an opportunity to anticipate the play via pre-snap reads. South Carolina also has a good core group of skills players and a much improved offensive line which has caused problems for opponents this season.
| Florida State allowed 91 combined points to offenses of South Carolina's caliber |
South Carolina will show lots of looks in the gun and under center. Don't be surprised to see balanced four wide sets, trips looks, and even empty sets from the Cocks out of the gun. Conversely, SC has utilized some I and offset I looks to date under center. Carolina mixes up plays out of these formations well. They are not afraid to run the ball out of the gun and will throw the ball from any of the aforementioned looks.
South Carolina has to run the ball to be successful. Marcus Lattimore came in and gave the Gamecocks a quality rusher who has shown he can carry the ball 30+ times if necessary. South Carolina runs the ball well out of all their formations. This allows this team to keep opponents on their heels and respect the pass/run option the SC play caller has. They use Lattimore's body control and vision to establish a quality run game and take pressure off of QB Stephen Garcia. South Carolina's zone blocking schemes have been well received by Lattimore. He has done a nice job cutting back across the formation to gash defenses for huge amounts of yards.
Out of the "I" and offset "I", South Carolina runs Lattimore all over the formation. We have seen USC run between the tackles, off tackle, sweep plays, and even pitch the ball on a quisi-version of the option. South Carolina has done a very good job this season in the red zone, pounding the ball when necessary and relying on Lattimore's ability to run hard to get tough yards. You will also see one of Spurrier's favorite run plays, the sprint draw throughout the football game.
South Carolina runs zone read plays out of the gun and a wide array of draw plays. Do not be surprised to see quite a few handoffs out of the gun. Carolina gets their backs the ball on designed inside and outside running plays along with the delayed handoffs that you expect to see out of the gun. South Carolina has incorporated receivers into designed carries, running reverses and end around type plays throughout the season.
Carolina's passing attack has roughly three levels. Jeffery is the homerun hitter, Tori Gurley has made quite a few intermediate length catches particularly across the middle of the field, and Marcus Lattimore has been used extensively catching the ball out of the backfield.
South Carolina's Alshon Jeffery is dangerous and can go up and make big, tough grabs for huge chunks of yards. Jeffery has had a lot of success catching fade routes down the sideline/in the end zone and does a good job getting open on corner/flag routes. Jeffery is so good because he goes up and attacks the football and makes extremely tough catches, often one-handed. If you see Stephen Garcia lob the ball up down the sideline you can almost bet he is tossing the ball in Jeffery's direction.
Gurley is a guy who's big catches have crippled opponents over the middle or at times when he has found week spots in zone coverage. He is a guy that SC has used to help move the chains at critical portions of football games and he has responded with multiple big catches, of which a couple have gone for monster gains.
Marcus Lattimore is more than a safety valve for the passing offense. Carolina likes to run a lot of screens to Lattimore AND likes to hit him out of the backfield on little angle and flair routes. This is a guy who is able to make a catch in near-open field conditions and turn those short passes into big gains by utilizing his blockers and making nifty moves in traffic and in the open field.
| South Carolina has already played six games against better defenses than the 'Noles. |
For Florida State to have success this weekend, the Seminoles will first need to shut down Carolina's running game. Stephen Garcia is a different quarterback when removed from the role of game controller and relied upon to be the game changer with big plays. It is imperative Florida State not allow Carolina to methodically move the football. In SC's best games this season, the Cocks have been able to convert third downs and hold on to the football for extended periods of time. FSU has to force punts and, by doing such, will limit the carries by Lattimore. The 'Noles also cannot allow Alshon Jeffery to kill them deep. This will be a tough chore as this young man has made a lot of great catches against near perfect coverage and/or after being interfered with.
This will be a very difficult task for Florida State. There is hope that Florida State's baby front (seven sophomores/ freshmen) will benefit from the layoff and perhaps regain its legs. Florida State will need a big game from Redshirt-Freshman Xavier Rhodes against both of Carolina's 6'5" receivers. Florida State will look to roll coverage away from Rhodes. Yes, that could have disastrous results, but FSU doesn't really have much chance of stopping South Carolina if it doesn't help the other side. That help will likely come from Terrance Parks, as safety Nick Moody will be playing down in the box to help against the run. Lattimore really is a great runner who effectively uses his blocks and spies the cutback lanes. The linebackers must effectively scrape down the line in design with the scheme to not open up those lanes.
Auburn was able to limit Lattimore and Arkansas played a good game against the Cocks, forcing some critical turnovers. Clemson played them very well. But as noted above, South Carolina has already played six games against much better defenses than what FSU has to offer. If FSU can slow Lattimore down or get an early lead, it has a chance not to get torched on defense.
FSU will likely sit in cover three and focus on the run and the deep pass, making South Carolina pick the 'Noles to death via the short pass. The Gamecocks are pretty good at the short stuff, but not quite as good as they are at the deep balls and the run game. In a game of pick-your-poison, this is the best choice for FSU.
But Florida State played two offenses of this quality or better so far (Oklahoma and Virginia Tech) and they combined for 91 points. If Florida State is ready to take on an offense of this caliber, it has not shown it. With an entire season of games, it seems FSU's defense should not be expected to have success against an offense of this caliber. There are some things which FSU can control in this game, like how much the defense sells out to stop Lattimore. I'll be looking to see if they can control those aspects. And there are some things FSU cannot control, including whether QB Garcia is just having "one of those days", or Alshon Jeffrey making circus catches despite excellent coverage.
I'll project South Carolina to run about 70 plays at 6 yards-per-play.
Inside, I'll discuss the other side of things.
Florida State's Offense Against South Carolina's Defense
As you saw above, Florida State's offense is tremendous and South Carolina's defense is very good as well.
DE 98 Devin Taylor 6-7 249 SO Very good pass rusher, not great against the run.
DT 42 Travian Robertson 6-4 293 JR Excellent DT
DT 91 Ladi Ajiboye 6-1 290 Good leverage
DE 83 Cliff Matthews 6-4 268 SR All-American
MLB 41 Josh Dickerson 6-1 225 SR Run stuffer
WLB 44 Tony Straughter 6-0 201 SR
SPur 26 Antonio Allen 6-2 205 JR Versatile hybrid player
CB 5 Stephon Gilmore 6-1 189 SO Tremendous corner
S 3 Akeem Auguste 5-10 191 JR Good cover safety
S 36 D.J. Swearinger 5-11 201 SO Decent player
CB 12 C.C. Whitlock 5-10 178 JR Liability
For a great breakdown of South Carolina's defense please read this.
How does South Carolina's defense compare to defenses already faced by the 'Noles?
| Florida State's offense is very underrated, having played the most difficult schedule of defenses in the country. |
The importance of a healthy Christian Ponder here cannot be understated due to the very complex defense of the Gamecocks. Ponder is a master of pre-snap reads and audibles. Jimbo Fisher says he expects Ponder to play, but you never know how the elbow will be. Ponder may be able to catch South Carolina in some looks and hit them for some big plays.
If Ponder doesn't go, it will be the promising 3rd-year sophomore EJ Manuel. Manuel is a capable thrower, but he will likely use his legs more than Ponder will. Manuel is a better designed runner, while Ponder is a better scrambler with better pocket presence.
The battle up front will be interesting to watch. Florida State's left tackle Andrew Datko likely needs work done on both shoulders and hasn't been able to practice in quite a while. He'll likely still be capable in pass protection, but how much he can offer in the run game is yet to be seen. Cliff Matthews at 268 lbs will be a tall task for Datko. All-American right guard Rodney Hudson should do well against Travian Robertson and should be able to stay with the smaller linebackers of South Carolina. I expect USCe to play some odd-fronts to occupy center Ryan McMahon, as he sometimes struggles with a guy in his face. Right guard is an enormous question and Florida State has played five different guys at the position. Bryan Stork will get the call and the freshman has played about how one would expect a freshman to play. Right Tackle Zebrie Sanders will match up with Delvin Taylor and will be counted on to get good push against Taylor who is more pass rusher than run stopper.
| Like Florida State's offense, South Carolina's defense is extremely underrated thanks to playing a ridiculous schedule of offenses. South Carolina has faced the most difficult set of offenses in the country. |
South Carolina doesn't like to blitz a whole lot this year and relies heavily on its front four to generate pressure. That's another reason why having Ponder will be important. If, and it's a big if, but if Florida State's banged up offensive front can hold up in pass protection against the Gamecocks' front four, Ponder should be able to identify the blitzes and call them out like he did in the Florida game.
If Ponder doesn't play, expect Fisher to run Manuel more in order to draw the extra safety down and simplify coverage. I would attempt to attack Whitlock if South Carolina is dumb enough to leave him in man coverage without help over the top. That's unlikely to happen however, as the Gamecocks typically roll coverage away from Gilmore, the talented corner on the other side.
I expect FSU to run 65 plays at 6.25 yards-per-play, for about 400 yards.
Prediction: I give Florida State a fair chance of winning this game at 40%. South Carolina is the better team and has been so all season. Given that evaluation, and the injury situation for Florida State, it would be foolish of me to give the 'Noles a better than even chance of winning this contest.
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I didn't realize how good their offense is compared to the other teams we have play this year.
Hope it’s a fun game to watch for four quarters !
Bud, let me congratulate you on another tremendous season covering our beloved Noles at TN.
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by TRMNole on Dec 30, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
I agree
Best site I’ve seen so far…..news, info, and analysis….love the traffic on this site.
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Gotta agree with this. I just discovered this website a couple months ago
and I am completely addicted. Best write up on FSU football by a mile. A far cry from the paper thin analysis at ESPN and other sites. LOVE absolutely LOVE the technichal stuff. Thanks.
by Shooter McFrattin on Dec 30, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
You should go back and read some of the articles and comments from around this time last year.
I learned a lot about this program and what shape it was in(it’s sad). Then to watch Jimbo resuscitate life back into the program.
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"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
That's what got me in here. I was lurking a year before I joined.
I was convinced Amato was dead weight at best and found no one else on the net who could say anything about it until I found an article by Bud (one of the many) who said as much and said so in painstaking detail. I then decided to poke around and found a smorgasboard of awesome stuff to feed my fandom. I knew that first day that I was hooked and haven’t looked back.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Couldn't agree more
This has and will be my first stop for anything nole sports. Thanks for all the hard work and time you have put into this site. Go Noles!!
I Hate You Bud
I get no work done anymore, this site is too good.
"I saw coverage to the left, coverage to the right, and coverage up the middle and I said to myself, This is gunna be fun!" Peter Warrick on Punt Return
Amen!
So this spicy little Theta sat down in front of me as I watched Greg Allen run all over cincinatti in 1982 game in the erector set. She was screamin' and yellin' every bit as hard as I was. She still does. Turns out she was a keeper.
I think we can get our zone running going on this fast turf
Though USCe has really handled the run well this year.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Don't disagree with any of your analysis
I can’t wait for this game….The last 2 SEC opponent bowl games I can remember (Ken & UGA) did not end too well for us.
To be fair Kentucky played FSU's JV team and UGA faced a 4th String QB (who was also the stud WR)
And both games were still close.
by MassNole on Dec 30, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
very fair
losses were still dissapointing. But bourbon street afterward made up for it. I didn’t find much redeeming about the MCB loss (other than that we almost won with our scout team).
by dale gribble on Dec 30, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Can't discount how we always lost to teams that Bowden had a relationship with the coach
I am not saying he threw games by any means, but look at our losses vs Amato, Richt, Tommy. We had more talent then those teams but somehow managed to lose
I'm sorry I ruined your lives and crammed 11 cookies into the VCR
You'd be hard pressed to convince me he didn't hand over the gameplan against Clemson in 2003 to save Tommy's job actually
wan't gonna go there, but since you did I thought that the entire time watching that game
I'm sorry I ruined your lives and crammed 11 cookies into the VCR
As for N.C. State in 2002 I'd say that game was thrown too but not by Bowden
But by Adrian McPherson to pay off some debt.
When I was watching that game
I said to myself, “I swear to God he is throwing this game on purpose”. And I’m not that type of fan to just say something like that. It was glarringly obvious.
Well he played poorly the weak before too against Ga Tech
it’s always been my contention he bet against FSU in both games.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Wouldnt be surprised
For shame, For shame
Also what was sad in that game, if cost us a BCS CG birth
Our SOS that season would have carried us past LSU or U$C into the title game vs. OU. Or more likely against LSU has they’d have benefited from us having another win, IIRC our game vs. Florida that year actually helped give LSU the SOS necessary to get into the game.
I forgot about Ad, what a
disappointment, he had all the hype coming in
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First ever Mr. Football and Mr. Basketball in Florida, 5* prospect in each sport....
He was basically the second coming of Ronald Curry or even Charlie Ward coming in. IIRC he was the #1 rated HS QB who went on to play in college (Joe Mauer was on another level but well we know that story) as well, which also means in one season FSU signed the #1 and #2 overall QBs in the same class (pretty sick).
+1 for Ronald Curry reference
i played HS ball against him. He was the stud in the region, not Vick.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
and wasn't iverson bettter then all of them in both sports
I am not from Va, but I remember how much he was recruited for football until he threw a chair at someone
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Iverson did not like to practice.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Dec 30, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I loved how he would lock himself in the trainer's room
and eat tacos and watch Martin during practice. Though he did show up for training camp in 2002 in better shape then anyone else. It was reported that he ran the mile in 4:17, which is very impressive. I don’t know if athletic ability alone can do that, so the guy must have done a little practice, not a game, practice.
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Yes - Captain Insano
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/allen-iverson/dp-top100-iversonsep24,0,4945489.story
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
And for all of that talent we pulled in, we got...zip. Zero. Nada. The Big Goose Egg.
God our coaching sucked under Jeffy. Only he and Daryl Dickey could find a way to turn 5*, all-universe, can’t-miss kids into washouts. And the saddest thing is they did it over and over again.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
AL QB Brodie Croyle was #1 that year (Mauer was #2)
AD was 15th → DJ Shockley (UGA) was also ahead of AD.
POS # * NAME HOMETOWN HT WT 40 COMMIT
QB 1 5 Croyle, Brodie Rainbow City AL 6-03 186 4.7 Alabama
QB 2 5 Mauer, Joe St. Paul MN 6-04 205 4.7 Florida State
QB 3 5 Shockley, D.J. College Park GA 6-02 185 4.4 Georgia
QB 4 4 Clemens, Kellen Burns OR 6-02 190 4.8 Oregon
QB 5 4 Leinart, Matt Santa Ana CA 6-05 208 USC
QB 6 4 Paus, Casey New Lenox IL 6-05 200 4.7 Washington
QB 7 4 Rawls, Brent Shreveport LA 6-05 190 4.7 Oklahoma
QB 8 4 Orton, Kyle Altoona IA 6-04 200 4.8 Purdue
QB 9 4 Anderson, Derek Scappoose OR 6-06 220 4.8 Oregon State
QB 10 4 Costa, Nic Aloha OR 5-11 190 4.3 Arizona
QB 11 4 Fayton, C.J. Virginia Beach VA 6-02 180 4.4 Tennessee
QB 12 4 Troth, Paul Charlotte NC 6-04 205 5.1 East Carolina
QB 13 4 Hart, Billy Santa Ana CA 6-02 190 USC
QB 14 4 Martin, Ingle Nashville TN 6-04 205 4.6 Florida
QB 15 4 McPherson, Adrian Bradenton FL 6-04 185 4.6 Florida State
The “5” or “4” is # of *s (this was the Rivals list → can’t find it on Rivals now b/c of the split → oldest list that Rivals is able to still publish is 2002.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
One big thing I didn't really see you hit on, Coaching (and Preparation_
Spurrier is for lack of a nicer or better word a lazy head coach who will not prepare his team nearly as well as Fisher and Stoops will prepare their team. I can’t really speak for what Ellis Johnson will do for their D in preparing for FSU’s offense, but I am confident in saying the FSU defense will be well prepared for the SC offense. Looking at the games this season where a FSU team came in super focused and prepared I am looking at a combined score of 76-24 in FSU’s favor.
They say he has really changed it up this year
The results would agree I think
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 30, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Or conversely they benefited the most from a very mediocre SEC East
I know they beat Alabama but in terms of impressing me, that was basically all they did. Like FSU, they killed Florida. Like Clemson, they kept a game close with Auburn but then had their true colors shown in the SEC CG when Auburn tore them apart.
Spurrier has been lazy for years, this is widely known, I don’t believe that it is anything more than Cock talk to believe at his age he changed his ways.
Thier medocre SEC East is better than our slate. So I don't think the converse helps.
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
USC does have the highest SOS per FEI
But I think that has alot to do with playing the #1 team twice.
Limited sample size, but our extra time off for the OU game didn't pan out, and we were healthier then I think.
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
Oh yeah, you're right. We just had a scrimmate inbetween two weeks of preparation for OU.
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
scrimmage*, against Samford
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
It ws the NC State game that we had a week off; where we also lost.
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
How much time did they get to prepare for OU
When they were learning how to play Defense? Hopefully they at least have the basics down now, and can actually prepare for a team.
True, they had a lot more fundamental issues to work out back then.
"You are the hope I have for change, You are the only chance I'll take"
-Switchfoot
I would say that Spurrier has lost the fire he once had
and at SC his players have not executed his schemes, but when it comes to finding a schematic weakness in your defense, and finding a matchup and hammering it, there are few better.
by DrB on Dec 30, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly. Thanks DrB!
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
USC's Offensive line can be exploited
And could be the “x-factor” for the Noles. I agree, this could all come down to FSU’s sophomoric Defensive line.
Nice write up … I appreciate the tempering of expectations … but I’m going into this one pretty optomistic. Something about FSU in bowl games.
A Texan humbles himself before God; there the list ends. - Gen. S. Houston
I'd love to be able to watch some of USC's games this year
How did Georgia and Vanderbilt hold them to 17 & 21 points? Turnovers?
Looks like the two teams with the most success against USC’s offense are rated 45 & 50… we’re in the perfect spot at 48. /crossesfingers
Lattimore didn't play that game
But I’m pretty sure Maddox ran wild…IIRC it was just one of those slow paced “grinder” games…not a lot of possessons, I think.
Don’t quote me on that, but that’s from memory…SCAR could’ve turned the ball over a couple of times too, I think
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
living in charlotte i have seen alot of their games, and I will say that I think it comes down to stopping Lattimore...Garcia is average really. seeing him multiple times I haven't been impressed at all.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 30, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I still worry about Floridians vs FSU, it seems like when we lose to programs like
Clem, NC St, Wake and I will put So Car in there, they always have guys from this state that step up and do everything they can to beat FSU. I haven’t been impressed with Garcia either, but you can’t discount what beating FSU still means to many kids in this state.
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I've never heard so much talk and analysis
on how 1 runningback can change the entire makeup of an offense. I’ve always thought that unless you have someone like CJ Spiller, talent in the backfield matters less than play calling and offensive line play evidenced by more and more teams utilizing “running backs by committee”. If its true that their offense goes vanilla without him, Lattimore must be a TREMENDOUS talent (havnt watched much SC this year).
by Shooter McFrattin on Dec 30, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't he the top back in the country?
He really is a great talent. Excellent physical ability, but the maturity of a much older back in terms of setting up his blocks.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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248 Attempts 1,198 yds 17 tds ---pretty good for a freshman
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 30, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
he was also pretty good out of the backfield receiving as well.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 30, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Columbia, and Lattimore is a BEAST
When the running game goes south, Spurrier has a tendency to start chucking it around like he used to. And Garcia has a tendency to throw the ball to the other team (or fumble) in critical situations. To win, FSU definitely has to make USC put the ball in Garcia’s hands and make him win the game.
Lattimore made 1st team All-SEC this year, and he's a freshman.
Kid’s the truth when he has the ball in his hands.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
what game did Lattimore not play in? vandy or uga
I'm sorry I ruined your lives and crammed 11 cookies into the VCR
Vandy
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 30, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
SC didnt really attempt many passes against UGA
and the ones they did had limited success. That game was mostly feeding it to Lattimore and watching UGA fail at tackling. They just played awful overall against Vandy.
I watched em both.
Injury unknown
Since all college coaches have quit giving accurate Injury reports, we don’t know the health of anybody anymore. Fisher bragging on Ponder doesn’t mean a thing.
However, IMO, South Carolina has two players better than any of ours, the RB and the WR. In general at the rest of the positions IMO, we probably have the better athletes.
Two things I have noticed about Spurrier he will come up with one play that will work against us and he not change his game plan from his predetermined game plan
Great South Carolina Defense?
Don’t they have the 100th worst pass defense in a conference full of running teams? The only passing team I can see on their slate is Arkansas (who blew them out).
Can someone help Marlin
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 30, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Can't help but question
Did anyone here watch South Carolina this season? It was marked by blown coverage after blown coverage. Their salvation was overthrows and drops. If you choose to ignore the totals in favor of an efficiency rating, you’ll find your efficiency ratings lack the sophistication to differentiate between a bad offensive play and a good defensive one.
I agree that judgement should also be used. Its hard to watch enough South Carolina games though for me to apply worthwhile judgement.
However, one could make the arguement that a good team (SOS, defense or offense or both) has less blown coverages, thus SOS compensates for that.
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playing in a league that produces more NFL players then anyone else
can also lead to that. Though, the concern by many SoCar faithful is your statement. They are very concerned with all of the blown coverages they have seen this year. But you have to balance all of the statistical info with the eyeball test. And also understand the level of coaching they are facing game in and game out
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If I were summing up their season, I would say they faced a ton of rushing offenses with their stellar rushing defense forcing their opposition to throw the ball. Most of them couldn’t do it effectively but the teams that came into the game with a passing offense, looked godly. This isn’t a good passing defense. No way, no how.
Bama, Georgia, Auburn, Auburn, and Arkansas all throw the ball quite well
Though the Georgia game was misleading because they lacked green
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Oh snap, thanks for taking me back to middle school and the 90s
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Georgia’s just bad. Auburn’s one of the top rushing teams, Bama’s sitting with a heisman running back. Their QB’s passing may look pretty good when a defense is getting shredded by the rush. But of those teams, Arkansas is the only air raid offense.
Georgia threw all over Florida
To be a good passing offense, one doesn’t have to be an “air raid” offense. I’d say we have a good passing offense and would in no way classify us as air raid.
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Georgia is not bad on offense at all
20th best and they missed Green for 4 games
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If their S&P passing defense rating is so high, it would have to be due to rushing teams trying to put it in the air.
That doesn’t make sense because it’s adjusted for quality of the passing game faced.
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What isn’t making sense is this formula’s rankings. Auburn’s passing defense is 37th? South Carolina’s 21st? Did you watch these teams play?
I did
Did you watch them play a lack of cupcakes while schools in other conferences are playing garbage week after week?
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UF has a similar ranking to USC in pass defense in S&P
Hopefully we have an equal amount of success throwing on USC
They are very weak in coverage, particularly Safety.
Not much help for the corners and I think Gilmore has not played to his potential at all.
I saw Gilmore look like garbage in a few games.
Did he actually have a great year or what?
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Thats probably based on a misleading total yards or total accumulation of some points.
Go to Football Outsiders and look up efficiency ratings, or calculate Yards Per Play allowed, particularly before garbage time and you get a much better indicator of Pass Defense prowress.
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Which Stats are Misleading?
When i look at them I see they’ve allowed six 300yrd passing games (USM, ALA, UK, TENN, ARK, AUB) and a close one at 274 against Furman. Now, only one of those teams has what you would consider a top 20 passing offense with 2 of them sitting in the 60ths and 3 of them in the 25-35th range. Granted this says nothing about the attempts but as a whole it appears South Carolina is allowing its opposition to throw for approximately 15 yards above their average. No?
Which is more impressive - 300 yards on 30 attempts or 10 attempts?
This is why yards per play is an important metric.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Relative
All of those are first downs, If your leading then the 300 on 30 takes up more clock.
If you are throwing incomplete passes while leading
I would like to coach against you.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
i think he was saying if your game plan is to eat up clock, and you throw 300 on 30 passes, then you accomplished what you wanted (typically do that while leading).
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It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 30, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
its a bad argument both ways
sorry for bringin it that direction
agreed
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 30, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
But if your YPP never breaches anything greater than 3.3, your not getting first downs, just accumulating attempts and meaningless yards.
Plus your 300 might be indicative of bad field position.
Plays per 6 points might be on a better track. Or First downs per X plays when the score reaches a certain margin.
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Let's be real
300 yards on 30 attempts is still pretty impressive LOL.
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Those stats.
As stated above and by Bud below (and now rico in the middle):
total yards or total points doesn’t account for attempts, field position, or strength of schedule. Its difficult but if you can eliminate incomparabilities between those factors, you can start comparing things. Would I use total sales between Toyota and Rolls-Royce to try and determine which company is the better investment?
A team can have an awesome passing attack when its needs to (as would be indicated by yards per passing attempt during non-garbage time), but not have a huge accumulation of passing yards because they’ve always gotten up early on opponents and thus, ran out the clock…. further having people believe they must have ran the ball successfully (as the most important thing) to win the game.
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by FSUvaFan on Dec 30, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or a better analogy, total sales between Toyota and Wallmart (different industrys ~= differen conferences/opponents)
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Sorry for the short response, Marlin. Was on the phone.
The simple truth is that everyone plays a different schedule so things like total yards and total points are quite misleading as they dont’ account for differences in schedule or field position.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 30, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I liked your response, not disrespectful
but it was like the Godfather giving an order and look how many loyal TN took the initiative
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by NaplesNole on Dec 30, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yep
If Bud told me the sky was purple, I wouldn’t even look up to check.
by BenDNole on Dec 30, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I would argue with Science teachers then copy them a link to that quote
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Wouldn't that be Rodney?
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by Dogrel on Dec 31, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MarlinF, don't take this barrage of replys personally. I, for one, am enjoying the converstation and appreciate your willingness to think it out and ask questions/state your position.
Much rather have this than a bunch of Yes’ms who don’t really agree/understand. (not saying I understand things to the level of others on here)
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conversation. My freaking computer has like a 2 second lag when I type.
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Why do we keep having to have this conversation everytime you visit this site?
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I think our Defense will determine this one
Hope Stoops has it together. Maybe this will be Stoops time to show us he is the coach we all hope he is.
by Buddy_Reynolds on Dec 30, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions
I think he has.
People (including myself) sometimes forget how much we’ve improved this season on defense. And that’s with an entire new secondary, and a banged up, young defensive line. I do get frustrated with the D at times but you have to remember where we were last year.
I find this reasoning seriously flawed. It’s almost assuming that the defense hasn’t been determined or that Stoops hasn’t shown he can coach.
Even last year, effort wasn’t a major problem. Effort is not the issue.
He’s has shown his worth already with a great transformation from 88th to 48th in his first year.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 30, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Go back and watch last year's defense.
What he’s done this year is a miracle. I seriously don’t understand what more he could’ve done to impress people like you.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
and not just last year, but the
accumulation of the past 3 or 4 years. We were slowly getting worst and worst every year, so he didn’t just stop the bleeding from a cut, but more like the gash on an artery. He changed the whole philosophy of the defense, I am not going to bang on Mickey ( I have before, but this isn’t the time or the place and null and void at this point) but the lack of coaching from Amato who had a lot of input and was Mickey’s main guy and MA was extremely loyal to Amato. Amato might have done more damage then any of the coaches from the past regime. A lot of are undisciplined aspects came from him, watch his teams at NC St.
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Agreed
with everything except for your misuse of the word “worst”.
I cannot imagine if Amato was named DC in 2010. With Ponder being hurt, we likely would be commenting in a “2010 Season Review” thread rather than a bowl preview.
Also agreed with the defenses that preceeded 2009 weren’t as good as many people think. Stoops did an amazing job IMO
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thank you for pointing it out, the real losers our tha chilen I's teech
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 30, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
We're not supposed to talk about that, sir.
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Amato was a symptom of what BB became...
A clubby buddy to his underacheiving, borderline lazy, outdated staff. The two reasons that BB wanted to continue coaching were his ego and greed, nothing more or less. I got tired of defending him around late 2005, and after that I was in a holding pattern waiting on the glory that is Jimbo and his process. In case you missed it, Amato sucked in every way, and he did absolutely nothing but harm to the program, and we can thank BB for that. [rant mode off]
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I know, I just didn't always want to pile on BB
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The reasoning is a concern, but I don't think he was trying to say that Stoops hasn't been great, just we hope hes even better?
Perhaps I’m wrong, but I’m also hoping Stoops shows me he can be a miracle worker. He’s already has me believing his defenses will be very good.
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Yep, damn near a miracle
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by SeminoleMike on Dec 30, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Go read Orlando Sentinel's article on Stoops
We have faced 100 more plays this year and have given up 1,111 fewer yards. Now I know that stat can be misleading, but just taking that at face value that is a huge improvement.
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It's like Deja 'vu
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"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
Hard to gauge this game
Performances by FSU and USC can fluctuate wildly. By this I mean USC impressed everyone with the win over Alabama. Alabama has been hard to gauge also. They looked bad vs USC and then against Auburn they should have won the game. If Trent Richardson had caught the dump pass in the endzone that hit him in the chest I believe Alabama would have had the game out of reach. Auburn is playing for the national championship.
Then we have USC which beat Alabama pretty handily and then loses to Kentucky. USC turns around again and is blown out of the stadium by Auburn in the SEC championship game. Comparative scores and stats don’t tell us a lot here.
I am afraid it comes down to which staff has schemed and prepared best here. I like FSU’s chances in this respect. On paper USC should win but I think FSU finds a way to pull it out.
My only regret is Spurrier is not starting a nose guard. I would love to see that loud mouthed Howdy Doody looking little weasel leave the game on a golf cart.
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by DocHoliday2 on Dec 30, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention (about that Bama game)
The fumble through the back of the enzone for a touchback. AND the lost fumble inside the 10-15 yard line.
Those 3 things happened in the first half and would probably have padded their lead another 18 points (since Bama kicked a field goal after that drop).
I know none of this matters for our game….. just crazy to think about. I don’t even think Auburn had a 1st half 1st down.
Anybody know what the fan ratio is likely to be?
Obviously USCe is a lot closer but will they have significantly more fans?
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"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 30, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
do they switch every year? ACC home in even years, SEC home in odd years
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don't know that one.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 30, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
really doesn't matter, was thinking out loud
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Coin flip?
Just a guess…. I don’t actually know.
Sacks and Sacks Allowed per game (vs. Conference opponents only)
FSU
Sacks – 3.44 (6th)
Sacks Allowed – 2.00 (58th)
USC
Sacks – 3.00 (11th)
Sacks Allowed – 2.33 (82nd)
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
by ricobert1 on Dec 30, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Don't know if that's quite as indicative as we hope.
We played a bunch of conference patsies early, so we could rack up the sacks in stacks.
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Any impact from Saban on this game, a la vs UF?
I would have to assume the ability to identify UF’s defensive calls in that game originated from some info passed down by a previous opponent. That would be a decent advantage going into this game as well.
I got a couple of points
1. Bud, you better not let the Oklahoma team read this preview, because I think that DeMarco Murray and Ryan Broyles might take issue with a couple of comments. That said, Lattimore and Jeffrey are Sunday guys and that is probably picking flypoop out of pepper.
2. The last time FSU played in the then, Peach Bowl, against a team from Carolina, with 2 1000 yard rushers, who would both play in the NFL, it was going to be a “Freak Show” by the UNC backs. 4 FSU TDs to 1 UNC field goal later, it was a freak show all right. Damn, it was cold that day in Fulton County Stadium!
Point of that is, bowl games are the toughest to pick, I think. Everybody wants to play on the day of the game but the question is, “how bad did you want to play during the holidays?”
It’s been a very satisfying year regardless of what happens tomorrow night. Although tomorrow could make it FABULOUS.
We shall see.
Point of that is, bowl games are the toughest to pick, I think. Everybody wants to play on the day of the game but the question is, "how bad did you want to play during the holidays?"
No doubt. No way of knowing.
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Good point here
Makes me think about the rep Spurrier apparently has for being a lazy coach. He may have changed his ways, but we know it takes longer for the players to adjust to a “culture change”. Probably even more pronounced in a bowl game setting.
agreed
I think Murray is a better player than Lattimore this year but the fact were even comparing and/or talking about Lattimore as a freshman in this discussion says something. Lattimore receiving out of the backfield is my biggest fear in this game. That could kill us.
by cerebralfish on Dec 31, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Good stuff here. I think we definitely have to have Ponder to win
USC’s secondary likes to not cover receivers, and Ponder has a better chance to make them pay than EJ, though I’ve been impressed with his passing this year. Hopefully the line can keep our QBs upright and it will be a big advantage to have two mobile QBs. Hopefully our WRs will show off their improved route running against USC’s shaky secondary, because we will need it. Gilmore is the best they have back there and he has had a pretty off season (though he was still voted All-SEC, much to the surprise of my Gamecock friends). But all of this is moot if we can’t stop Lattimore.
I think we could win with Manuel.
I think we definitely have to have Ponder to win
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It will be interesting
if both Ponder and Manuel play together. We haven’t seen jimbo game plan a dual QB attack.
Yesterday (I think) there was a debate about whether or not this was a "must win" game. Here is what Jimbo thinks about the importance of the game. Just throwing this out there,
Q: How important is winning a bowl game as a boost for the offseason?
A: It gives you a great feeling of accomplishment. I think it sets a precedent for the next year about where you’re going. And I think it sends a message to the country that you’re going in the right direction. It’s something that you definitely want to do. At the same token, it’s not disastrous if you don’t. Sometimes you can use that as a benefit to push yourself. You’d much rather win it and have a positive attitude and the direction of where you’re going.
Q: And that 10-win season would be nice, too?
A: It would be very good. Ten-win seasons are something that you take a lot of pride in. That’s something that we need to do.
I realize this is the wrong thread, but I don’t feel like looking for the original convo.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
And
“I think it would be (important) because Florida State has proven it could do it in the past,” Fisher said, when asked about reaching the 10-win plateau. "We haven’t done it in about eight years, and we’re trying to re-establish ourselves…In the years you have double-digit wins you, kind of, separate yourselves a little bit from the other programs during that year. Double-digit wins don’t come very often. They’re kind of magical.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Do you think Jimbo and Spurrier have different philosophical outlooks on how they view and care about their players and their players futures?
Q: What are you telling players who are considering coming out early about the possibility of an NFL lockout?
A: Fisher: You’ve got to watch for the lockout, but how do we know what’s going to happen? I’m not a fortune teller, so I don’t know. We’ll make a judgment when they get their information (about their draft prospects) back. If they think it’s the right thing for them to do and if they think they’re going to be a high pick, then I’m all for them.
Spurrier: I haven’t even mentioned that. I don’t see that we have any real high pick guys that have eligibility left. I’m just hoping and praying they’ve got enough common sense to see where they are and want to come back and play. But if for some reason they don’t want to come back and play and they’re not going to be an early pick, then maybe you don’t want them on your team anyway.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Spurrier is just telling the truth
he doesnt have the magic salesmanship to talk all his players into coming back, and as a result SC has lost tons of guys to the NFL early during his tenure. I’d wager that if he had not lost so many, he’d have won 9 games a year at least once, maybe twice more before now. 99% of them left and should’ve come back another year, and he’s pointing it out.
Kids just don’t want to stay in Columbia. You can also put that on the coach and team atmosphere of course, but I don’t particularly care for the town either, it just doesnt have that sense of “home”.
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checkout Ponder trying to get an unfair advantage in the trivia game.
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I can't wait for tomorrow!
I will be in attendance, taking my little brother to his 1st ever FSU game!
that is awesome, I did that before. My bro was a fan before but after we
beat Phillip Rivers in ot to win ACC it completely changed his level of fandom ( gay word couldn’t think of anything better)
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Wow, amazing job with the preview.
You hit on the reason I love our Gamecock offense so much, variety. They’re not afraid to run out of the shotgun, and throw out of the I-form. It’s the polar opposite of my NFL team, the Panthers. If they’re in an I-form, it’s almost always a run, and they almost always throw out of a single back formation. It’s so predictable, and frustrating.
I only disagree with a few things. Gilmore, while he did great last year, has really struggled this season. He’s not playing any better than Whitlock on the other side. I’d also have to say the same thing for Auguste at safety. Auguste played corner last year, and did pretty well, but he has struggled mightily this season. Interestingly, the guy you labeled a “decent player” (Swearinger) is probably our best secondary player, unless you consider Antonio Allen at spur a member of the secondary.
At outside linebacker, I believe Straughter has done very well replacing an injured Shaq Wilson, and deserves some kind of note next to his name, ha. He really has a knack for stuffing runs. He always seems to be around the ball carrier. Also, I disagree Devin Taylor, at defensive end, isn’t good at stopping runs. Only Ladi Ajiboye has more tackles than Taylor on the defensive line. At 6’7", Taylor has a wingspan like a condor, and that helps him as a pass rusher, and run stuffer.
One thing you didn’t hit on that you may want to look out for is one of Carolina’s reserve defensive linemen, Melvin Ingram. He comes in on 3rd downs, when it’s likely going to be a pass. Ingram actually leads the team in sacks, despite being a situational player.
As good as our defensive line is, though, the secondary has been equally bad this season. I keep hoping they’ll revert to the great unit they were last season, with almost the same personnel, but it hasn’t happened. Your team will get plenty of yards, and make this a good game. Really great job with the preview! Very in depth and interesting.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Need to give credit here to ShakinTheSouthland as I did in the preview
He game me the base for all of this as I haven’t followed SC nearly as close as he has.
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I'm surprised he was so fair with our team.
Actually, I’d consider his thoughts on Carolina a little glowing. I don’t even think he ranked us ’til we beat Alabama five games into the season.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Dec 30, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Tackles aren't always a great indication of "stopping" runs.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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True, but I still think he has done well.
I think he leads the line in tackles for a loss, but I don’t know if that stat includes sacks or not. If it does, then that would be misleading.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Dec 30, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
One point on our defense
Just like you try not skew our “awesomeness” by reminding us of where some of the stats came from, I think its important to keep the OU game in perspective as well. Not to discredit their offense, but they had a serious advantage. Bob knew what our alignments would be, knew how much could be taught in 3 practices, so on and so forth.
I really believe, as green as our defense was, if we played a team like tOSU, or a team not named Oregon or Auburn, we would have fared so much better than we did against OU. So yeah, while perspective is important for keeping expectations in check, I think its also important for allowing a certain level of hope.
Great preview though, I think that goes without saying.
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Agree and even though it sucked to get our face beat in, playing stoops might have been
the best thing for the foundation of this defense. Our stoops can now say no one will know what we are running better then my brother and few have the athletes and talented players as OU, we bounced back from that and made something out of our season with this defense. For all the underclassmen we played, that could really set them up to be a Natl Title contender in a year or two
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That’s why I didn’t include UGA as being “clearly better” than FSU’s defense. I think FSU’s is slightly better now. Keep in mind these ratings are for the entire season.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Most of the "experts" are picking us to lose...
…and although I think bowl games are almost impossible to predict, I can understand why. I’m afraid our defensive front is not strong enough to control Lattimore or put pressure on Garcia. I hope I’m wrong.
N.C. State, Maryland and UNC have done a good job representing the ACC. Let’s hope we can keep the string going.
If we don't wrap up on D then we will be in real trouble!
We have to start right there. We can not let them run through our tackles, MUST WRAP UP. Also can not let them go 13/15 on 3rd down or what ever Va Tech did to us. We do that and we should be in good shape, and of course no turn overs.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
Agreed, FSU is only starting to relearn tackling...
Yet another relic of the lost decade. Still too many D backs trying to knock somebody out instead of wraping up and waiting on help (did I just mention GR5?). Yes, it hurts more and isn’t as glamorous as the “big hit”, but how many times this year have we seen big gains results from poor fundamental tackling.
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I always pull for FSU, however, this game will take some doing. After looking at everything, reading all that I could, and trying to be objective. I must admit, that South Carolina has to be favored, their losses have been to better competition, Auburn 2, Arkansas 1 and one close uh-oh Kentucky. Auburn and Arkansas have two great QB’s and they weren’t limping into the game.
The key to beating South Carolina appears to be on containing Lattimore, therefore putting the onus on Garcia and if he throws a couple of interceptions, South Carolina loses.
Since South Carolina has played against some really good QB’s this year, I don’t think we will be able to throw and beat them, we have to be able to run and force them bring up the safeties and open up the passing game.
This could be a low scoring chicken eating contest.
GO NOLES
I think we get our token 30 pts...
question is can we stop them from getting 31?…. FSU 34-24 FEAR THE SPEAR!
like I predicted on another thread...
FSU 33, USC 30 on a 45+ yard field goal during the last 2 minutes. I’ll add that a nice D stand to preserve the win will cap the 2010 turn around I have been praying for since around 2002. The future is indeed bright in Tally.
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beating both SC teams in the 4th quarter on a FG would be something.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 31, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
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