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What If The Season Ended Today?: TNation Revisits the ACC Basketball Standings

About a month ago, the ACC Basketball standings were a complete surprise. Virginia was the number one team in the conference, followed by Duke, Clemson and Maryland. In the last month, Virginia has fallen hard in the standings. Clemson has regressed to the mean while Duke and Maryland continue to charge ahead. In the midst of all the shuffling, Virginia Tech decided to sneak up on everyone.

Last month, we broke down the standings and tried to figure out what would happen if the majority of the ACC finished with an 8-8 record. In that scenario, Florida State was predicted to finish third using the game outcomes predicted by Ken Pomeroy.

It seems that Duke and Maryland have separated themselves from the pack, especially with Maryland's buzzer beater over Georgia Tech on Saturday. But, how does the dust settle for those looking up at Maryland and Duke? With only four or five games left for most teams in the ACC, nothing is guaranteed.

Take a look inside as TNation breaks down the currents standings and tries to explain the what ifs. At least we give it the best shot we can. 

Remember to check out TNation member HarlemNoles' regular feature updating the results and remaining schedule.

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Standings Conference Overall
  W L GB PCT W L PCT
Duke 10 2 - .833 22 4 .846
Maryland 9 3 1 .750 19 7 .731
Virginia Tech 8 3 .727 21 4 .840
Wake Forest 8 5 .615 18 7 .720
Clemson 7 5 3 .583 19 7 .731
Florida State 7 5 3 .583 19 7 .731
Georgia Tech 6 7 .462 18 9 .667
Virginia 5 7 5 .417 14 11 .560
Boston College 4 8 6 .333 13 13 .500
Miami (FL) 3 9 7 .250 17 9 .654
North Carolina 3 9 7 .250 14 13 .519
North Carolina State 3 10 .231 15 13 .536

 

With only four games remaining, the Seminoles are only three games out of first place. Technically, they could catch the Blue Devils. Is that realistic? Absolutely not. The more important point is that Florida State is only two games behind Maryland. Again, while possible, it's probably not going to happen. However, the Terrapins' remaining games are against some of the better competition in the conference: Clemson, Virginia Tech, Duke (away) and Virginia.

Currently, Ken Pomeroy has the Seminoles finishing with a 10-6 record in conference play. This would be an excellent result for this young team. The 'Noles aren't the only team in the conference predicted to go 10-6. The other teams are Wake Forest and Virginia Tech. If Florida State wins the games as currently predicted by Pomeroy, they would actually finish 11-5. Finishing conference play with a 7-1 record would be a major accomplishment.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that Maryland finishes 11-5 and are followed by the traffic jam of Wake Forest, Virginia Tech and Florida State at 10-6. In that scenario, Florida State could finish as high as third or as low as fifth in the conference. All of those results should be considered a success.

As a reminder, here are the tie breaker rules in the ACC:

  1. When two teams are tied in the standings, regular season head-to-head results are used as the tiebreaker.
  2. If the tied teams played each other twice in the regular season and split their games, then each team's record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings (or in case of a tie for first place, the next highest position in the regular season standings) and then continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

a. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams.

b. When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against a team or group is unequal. (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1; 1-0 is the same as 2-0; 2-0 is the same as 4-0; 2-1 is the same as 4-2; 1-0 is better than 1-1; 0-1 is the same as 0-2; 0-2 is the same as 0-4). If the winning percentage of the tied teams is equal against a team, or a group of tied teams, continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

  1. If three or more teams are tied in the standings, the following procedures will be used:

a. The combined record of conference games between the tied teams involved will be compiled. Ties will be broken, and seedings assigned, based on the winning percentage of the combined conference records. The higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group is unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1; 1-0 is the same as 2-0; 2-0 is the same as 4-0; 2-1 is the same as 4-2; 1-0 is better than 1-1; 0-1 is the same as 0-2; 0-2 is the same as 0-4).

b. If procedure (a) fails to break the tie, then each tied team's record shall be compared to the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings, continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage by a higher winning percentage.

c. If the tie is broken by (a) or (b) regarding one of more teams, but three or more teams remain tied, then procedures (a) and (b) will be reapplied among those tied teams only.

d. If two teams remain tied, procedures (1) and (2) will be followed.

  1. If there is more than one tie in the standings, and when utilizing the tie-breaking procedures there are a pair of teams tied, a team's record against the combined tied teams (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures) is used, rather than performance against the individual tied teams.
  2. If procedures (2) and/or (3) fail to establish an advantage, a coin flip to break the tie will be conducted by the commissioner after the final regular season game before the Conference Championship.
  3. If a coin flip or draw (for a three or more team tie) is required, the procedure takes place immediately following the conclusion of the last regular season game prior to the Conference Championship. The procedure is administered by the commissioner or a designated assistant. This session is open to the media and to athletics department representatives from the tied teams.

The rule needed to break the three way tie is noted by the bold text above.

Here are each school's schedule against the 'group' and their projected W-L using the Pomeroy Predictions and their winning percentage. Actual results are noted as well:

Virginia Tech (1-1, 0.500): Florida State (Loss), Wake Forest (VTech won on Februrary 16th 87-83)

Florida State (2-0, 1.000): Virginia Tech (FSU won 63-58 on January 16th), Wake Forest (Home on February 28th)

Wake Forest (0-2, .000): Virginia Tech (Loss, See above), Florida State (Predicted loss at FSU on February 28th)

Based on our interpretation of the guidelines, Florida State would finish third in the ACC, ahead of Virginia Tech and then Wake Forest. This demonstrates how important that win against the Hokies was in mid January. At the time, the Seminoles had a two game losing streak and could have easily dropped that game as the looked ahead to a rematch with Georgia Tech. This also highlights how important the upcoming game with Wake Forest is going to be. Florida State must win that game in order to get the results noted above. If they lose that game, then all three teams are still tied. In that situation, the tie breaker would be determined by each of the school's record against Duke. So far, Wake and FSU have lost the Blue Devils. Virginia Tech plays Duke in their next game and is predicted to lose badly. Since that doesn't determine the tie break, it then goes to each teams' record against Maryland, which is bad new for Seminoles fans. Wake already beat them and Virginia Tech is predicted to do so, dropping Florida State to fifth in that scenario.

To make it more interesting, let's include Clemson in the discussion. They are only predicted to finish with an 8-8 record by Ken Pomeroy. They finish the season with games at Maryland, at Florida State, home against Georgia Tech and finish the year at Wake Forest. That is an incredibly difficult schedule. It would take a lot for the Tigers to go 3-1 to finish the year, but it's possible.

Virginia Tech (2-1, 0.666): Florida State (Loss), Wake Forest (VTech won on Februrary 16th 87-83), Clemson (Won February 6th, 70-59)

Florida State (3-1, 0.750): Virginia Tech (FSU won 63-58 on January 16th), Wake Forest (Home on February 28th), Clemson x 2 (Lost on February 10th 77-67, predicted to win on February 28th)

Wake Forest (1-2, 0.333): Virginia Tech (Loss, See above), Florida State (Predicted loss at FSU on February 28th), Clemson (Predicted to win on March 7th)

Clemson (1-3, 0.250): Virginia Tech (Loss, see above), Florida State x 2 (See above), Wake Forest (See above)

Again, in this situation, Florida State would still finish third in the conference. The key point is if they can win against Wake Forest and Clemson. A loss to Clemson, would put them in a tie with Clemson, who would then hold the tie breaker based on the head to head record. But, if Florida State beats Wake and loses to Clemson, they would still finish fifth. If they beat Clemson and lose to Wake they would also be fifth. If they lose to Clemson and Wake, they would be sixth. Therefore, if this situation plays out, with the four teams above tied at 10-6, the Seminoles could finish as high as third, but are mot likely to finish fifth. They currently have about a 50% chance to win those two games, so hang on folks this could be a wild ride to the finish.

If we assume that the Noles finish as predicted above with a 10-6 record and wins over Clemson and Wake, this is how the conference standings would be if the season ended today. (Again, there are a lot of 'ifs' in here, so please don't attack the article saying this isn't possible. This is simply for fun and to discuss the possibilities):

1. Duke

2. Maryland

3. Florida State

4. Virginia Tech

5. Wake Forest

6. Clemson

7. Georgia Tech

8. Virginia

9. Boston College

10. North Carolina

11. Miami

12. North Carolina State

The next question then, is what happens if the ACC tournament started today:

Day 1:

Game 1: University of Virginia (#8) vs. Boston College(#9)

Game 2: Wake Forest (#5) vs. NC State (#12)

Game 3: Georgia Tech (#7) vs. North Carolina (#10)

Game 4: Clemson (#6) vs Miami (#11)

 

Day 2:

Game 1: Duke (#1) vs UVA/BC Winner

Game 2: Virginia Tech (#4) vs. Wake/NC State Winner

Game 3: Maryland (#2) vs GTech/UNC Winner

Game 4: Florida State (#3) vs Clemson/Miami winner

Based on the information above, you should be able to plug in the various scenarios into the tournament schedule. The winners of the games on day one play in the same numbered game on day two. Another match-up with Clemson would be difficult and the upcoming game with the Tigers will be of utmost importance for the Seminoles to get into the match ups listed above. However, recall that the Seminoles only lost by ten points at Littlejohn Stadium on a night they shot 37% from the floor. Additionally, the Florida State defense that has played the last two games is very different than the one that Clemson saw in their victory on February 10th.

The team that can help the Seminoles the most at this point is Maryland. Maryland plays Georgia Tech, Clemson, Virgina Tech, Duke and Virginia. While it would be great to reel the Terrapins in, it isn't going to heappen. The better Maryland looks, the better the Seminoles look. It would also help if NC State could show more signs of life and knock off Virginia Tech just like they took care of business against Wake Forest.

The most important thing, of course is that the Seminoles, continue to take care of business. They really have the opportunity to control their own destiny to getting a high seed in the ACC tournament. Florida States' remaining games are all winable, particularly with the defense that has held its last two opponents to 50 points or less. In fact, the Noles have only allowed their opponents to score 70 points or more seven times this season. They have held their opponents to under 60 points thirteen times. The defense currently ranks 2nd in the nation and the Noles have moved up to the 16th spot in the Pomeroy rankings. Last year, every team in the top 16 of the Pomeroy rankings made it to the NCAA tournament.

Go NOLES!

Florida State's Michael Snaer (21) drives past Boston College's Cortney Dunn, left rear, in the second half of an NCAA college basketball game, Saturday, Jan. 30, 2010, in Boston. Florida State won 61-57.

 

Photo from here.

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Three seed would be huge

1) Obviously, gives us an ACC tournament bye
2) Keeps us out of the Duke side of the bracket.

by Fsued on Feb 21, 2010 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

Presently, Pomeroy has us at about a

70% chance of victory in our 2 home games against Clemson and Wake Forest and less than 60% at both North Carolina and Miami. Just funny that we are favored by more against 2 of the better teams in the league than 2 of the worst teams in the league. Means it’s gotta be what, 30% harder to win on the road than at home?

by tricknole on Feb 21, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Just about

I question FSU’s home court advantage after the egregious last minute call vs. MD.
I still can’t believe they called that a charge…

by CelticPride on Feb 22, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...Ive seen enough shimmy for one season.

We dont matchup well with either side, and we wouldnt expect to win either one. Id rather have a shot at the dookies and pray for a cold shooting/stellar offensive effort and the chance for another top 25 WIN than see that Maryland group again.

Also Trick I have to recognize and compliment your assessment of this team. Although I dont think 11-5 is likely, it doesnt appear as UNlikely as I thought it to be earlier. If this team plays lilke they did against UVA (especially offensively) they could sneak on out 4 more wins.

by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 21, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

To be fair,

I said we should be favored in X games and if we were to win those X games we would finish 11-5. I didn’t actually expect us to finish that high. I threw in an unexpected loss (because they always happen) and then asked the rest of you if you thought we could go 10-6. Even though I was saying we should be expected/favored to go 10-6 or better (based on our remaining schedule), I was personally expecting 8-8.

by tricknole on Feb 21, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Still, I think laughed out loud when you posed the question

So we still have our unexpected (I guess it’s actually an expected unexpected loss), and finish 10-6. I can live with that.

by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 21, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be ecstatic with 10-6.

Means we are at least 4th in the ACC and that would lock up an NCAAT berth even with an 0-1 in the ACCT. This UNC game really scares me, though.

by tricknole on Feb 22, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It is good that we are finally 'jelling' at this point in the season.

Had hoped to see the light come on in January. But February is not too late. I am not afraid of Maryland…or Duke…FSU has a deep bench and that is a good thing to have in tournament play. Besides I want to see a shoulder sag and not a shimmy…And also to see Chaz McFarland dunked on…over and over. He can’t hang with Alabi…that’s why he was holding …and flopping.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Feb 21, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

ACC tourney

Based on the projected standings…I wonder if a 5-seed would actually be beneficial. It would seem we match up better with NC St. and Va. Tech than Clemson.

by BrianFSU on Feb 21, 2010 1:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

If we finish 5th, who finishes 4th?

Or, what seed are you saying a 5 seed would be better than, a 3? A 4?

by tricknole on Feb 21, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure you understand how this works
  1. gets a bye…#5 plays in the first round. If #5 wins, they then play #4.

How would being a 5 be better?

by fsuclipper on Feb 21, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's worried about a 1-and-done's effect on resume...?

As opposed to 1-1 in ACCT, starting from a lower seed. If we’re top 4, though, I think the risk of getting bounced because of a first round loss is mitigated severely. It’s just viewed as a quirky tournament happening, versus substantiation that we’re a pretender.

by arrdub on Feb 22, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You're talking to BrianFSU or fsuclipper?

I think most everyone would prefer the bye (and if they don’t prefer it they’re wrong, seriously, lol).

by tricknole on Feb 22, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian, I think, was arguing 5th over 4th due to matchup in 1st round...

and I was assuming it was based on proposition that we would still be on bubble at 4th, which I don’t agree with, because (1) we’d already be in at 4th, and (2) we’re better off having fresh legs, almost irrespective of opponent.

by arrdub on Feb 22, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry for the confusion...

I was responding to Brian. My point is that 5 is never better than 4 because 4 gets a bye and 5 plays on day one. Then assuming 5 wins, they play 4 on day two.

I commented awhile back that we’d be better as a 3 or 6 than a 4 because that would put us in the bracket without Duke. I can see us in the CG as long as we don’t face Duke until then.

by fsuclipper on Feb 22, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But just think about that for a second.

You’d rather finish 6th than 4th? A 6th place finish is squarely on the bubble. A 4th place finish is not.

by tricknole on Feb 22, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again, I don't get my point across clearly

This is all about the ACCT. Easier to get to the CG as a 6 than a 4…because we avoid Duke. If we get to the ACCCG, regardless of seed, we’re in the dance.

And as was stated in the analysis, it’s possible that seeds 4 through 7 could all end up with identical Conf records, determined by tiebreakers so the seeding probably wouldn’t matter to the Selection Committee anyway.

Make no mistake..I want to win them all. My post was hypothetical and merely reflected the easiest path to the ACCCG based on the assumption that Duke will be the 1 seed.

I want us to be 11-5 in conference…regardless of seed.

Hope this clears it up.

by fsuclipper on Feb 22, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that point.

I’d just rather take the better initial seed. You think Duke’s that good? You think Maryland isn’t?

by tricknole on Feb 22, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't it extremely likely that the ACC #4 seed has 10 conference

wins anyway? The top 3 certainly will, and 10 conference wins is a lock, I don’t care if you dont even show up at the ACCT.

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Feb 22, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Trick...

I give up. I’ve failed miserably to get you to see my logic…Hypothetical logic. Read the line above “Hope this clears it up.” again.

See you at the Tournament…I go every year.

by fsuclipper on Feb 22, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article! Even conceding the obvious caveat that there is a lot of basketball left to

be played in the ACC, and thus some sure-fire surprises are in store, it is fun to look ahead and try to assess where the Noles will be left standing at reg season’s end.

I agree with TC’s notion that Maryland’s buzzer-beater yesterday seemed to solidify the notion that the very experienced Terrapin squad is just having “one of those years.” Pencil them in for #2, in my opinion.

So we got, what, a max 4 teams (FSU, VaTech, Wake, and Clemson) playing for the 2 remaining ACC byes. I’ll take a runner on predicting who it will be: I’ll go with Wake and FSU. Dont make me predict in what order, though. That would be lunacy.

Go USA! Beat Canada!

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Feb 21, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

Great analysis, TC

Very excited about what this team can do if they keep sharing the ball and stay focused. Couldn’t believe the NC State-Wake contest, but seeing as this is the ACC, maybe I should have.

by Bud Elliott on Feb 21, 2010 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Started to write a Debbie Downer post

I started to write a post about how we’ve just put together our first 3 solid halves of basketball in a row in ACC play, and that we’re getting ahead of ourselves by talking about the ACC tournament. However, as I was being a buzzkill the thought hit me. How much fun is this? We’re seriously talking about being in the top third of the ACC this deep into the season. Sure, sure, we can still fall back into the mediocre range, but basketball has become not just fun again in Tallahassee. We’ve become relevant instead of that nice little fringe bubble team. The product may not be gorgeous all the time, but the results are making us very relevant in late February/March. Lots of basketball to play to be sure, but we can also appreciate how far we’ve come. It hasn’t been that long ago that we were losing games at home to Furman and Texas A&M-CC.

On a side note, I love the analysis on this website. TC, your articles are insightful, and I learn something new every time I read them.

by amcconna on Feb 22, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

We lost at home to Furman?

I do remember the TAMU-CC game, and I think that same year we lost to FIU at home.

Fwiw, we were in the top 3rd of the ACC last year and we are in contention for the top quartile this year. I completely agree with not getting ahead of ourselves, though.

by tricknole on Feb 22, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

December 4, 2000

I had to double-check. We lost, but at least we took the mighty Purple Paladins into overtime! (79-74)

by amcconna on Feb 22, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Right now

My entire focus is on beating Carolina. This year, they’ve shown themselves to be an ungood team. We should beat them. But it is an ACC road game and they are Carolina. A win there guarantees at least .500 in the ACC. A win there would mean a 2-game winning streak against UNC

Nothing is finer than beating Carolina. And that’s exactly where the team’s focus should be too!

by CelticPride on Feb 22, 2010 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I am down with that analysis, Celtic. I allowed myself some minutes of freethought on this

article and where we will be by season’s end. However, we all know that all this talk of Dancing and a first-round ACC bye could go up in a wisp of smoke if we lose Wednesday night. Now is not the time for our players to relax with a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign. Place foot firmly on throat of Heels, please.

Beat Carolina!

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Feb 22, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So important for so many reasons.

Extend to 3 game win streak in ACC for first time this year…. improve our road record… best opportunity to avoid a Clemson-like losing streak in Chapel Hill…. but most importantly, it’s statistically (i.e., on paper) the EASIEST game left on our schedule, and therefore one we can’t afford to drop it.

Clemson, Wake, and @UM will all be very tough contests. UNC is the only team left on our schedule playing for nothing (assuming Miami will be up for our game simply because of in-state rivalry and final home game for them).

by arrdub on Feb 22, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, according to Pomeroy, it's the 2nd hardest left on our schedule.

Miami is the hardest. The two home games the easiest.

But you can’t lose to teams like UNC (this year’s squad, at least), if you want to make the NCAAT. If we lose, we must win our final 3 and I think that’s a tough task as is.

by tricknole on Feb 22, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Look, I'm a card carrying member. (At least if kenpom readers carried cards.)

I was talking about quality of teams on paper (as you imply in your 2nd sentence).

As a baseline estimate of what to expect for a game, you can’t beat kenpom… but then again, he isn’t accounting for a rivalry game vs. Miami… he isn’t factoring in Stitt’s absence during the season relative to Clemson’s true strength… and I’m not sure how exactly kenpom treats home/away (which appears to be the driver behind the disparities in forecasts), but that may or may not be perfectly applicable or specific to our games vs. Wake/Clemson.

I don’t bet on games, but if I did, I’m not sure I’d trust kenpom’s projections for these games, for a variety of reasons (as noted above).

by arrdub on Feb 22, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the home/away is a huge factor in all 4 of those percentages.

While going off of a full season’s resume, we are clearly better than UNC, playing them in Chapel Hill has to weigh in their factor some. I do think NCAAT teams must beat teams like UNC, but I don’t expect it to be easy. I’m very much afraid we lose this game. Fwiw, Pomeroy doesn’t even rank them that poorly. He has them at 58, compared to UF’s 52, and we saw what we did at UF. Similarly ranked teams are also Miami (6 point home win) and BC (4 point road win).

by tricknole on Feb 22, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Great points by both of you guys.

Pomeroy gives significant advantage to the home team. I don’t know the secrets of his formula to predict games, but it is clear that the home team gets the advantage. Earlier in the year, I can’t remember which game specifically, the game was predicted to be a tie (50% chance to win, score was even) and it was listed as a loss for FSU. We were predicted to lose the game at Clemson but are still predicted to win at home against Clemson.

I very much agree that UNC is a much better team than people realize. Being in Pomeroy’s top 60 isn’t such a bad thing. I don’t have the numbers off the top of my head, but a majority of those teams make it to the big dance. Clearly, there are teams outside of his to 64 (65) that make it in as a result of automatic qualifiers.

UNC has some of the best talent in the country, but it hasn’t completely come together as of yet. Sound familiar? They rank 288th in the nation in experience. They don’t have the senior leadership a the guard position. As great a player as Deon Thompson is, the outstanding player that Ed Davis is (health issues aside) and the talent that Tyler Zeller has, that isn’t going to cut it in the ACC. We have seen that with FSU. The Noles have one of the most talented centers in the conference, if not the country. Again, Alabi is raw and needs work, but you see where I’m going with this. Simply having a team of athletic talented big men does not make you great. But, these guys can still play basketball and the last thing they will want is FSU, a football school, to win a game in their house. It’s bad enough that VTech and Virginia did it. FSU would make it terrible.

As always, great discussion guys.

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by TrueCubbie on Feb 22, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Carolina owns victories over OSU and Mich State as well as VaTech this year

Injuries have contributed to a young teams demise. But those are all NCAA tourney hopefuls. I believe you could likely pencil in all three ,,,though Va Tech may need another ACC win to be assured.

"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein

by Olbrannon on Feb 22, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

We all know the truth of the matter at this point: whatever you might think of KenPom's

predictive value, we are not a lock for the Dance, not by any means. Our Noles are perfectly capable of laying an egg…or two…the rest of the way, and that starts with the UNC game. Trick is right, UNC’s rating isn’t that far off of UF’s; it wouldn’t even be an upset if we lost Wednesday night.

Such is life in the ACC.

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Feb 22, 2010 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

WHOO, Lady Noles win at Virginia BY ONE!

59-58

Talk about a scary final 1:08. I think 3 or 4 turnovers and several more near steals for Virginia. Then they (UVA) inbounds the ball after Monroe makes 2 free throws with ~6 seconds left for the one point lead, and no one guards the ball carrier until they’re at their own 3 point line. At that point they cut inside towards the paint and from only a few feet out take a short little jump shot at the buzzer that clanks off the front of the rim.

Ladies lock up 2nd place in the ACC. Sitting at 10-2 with 2 games left. Sweep 3rd place Virginia (8-3). RPI looking to increase upon its current 17th position. I’m amazed at the success Sue has had these past 4-5 years. A regular season ACC Title, a Sweet Sixteen and soon to be 6 straight NCAA Tournament appearances. Not to mention in each of the past 5 years she’s won at least one game in the NCAAT. And just inked the #2 player in the country (and I think McD AA) to go along with #65ish and #75ish. I can only hope Hamilton is on a similar track.

by tricknole on Feb 22, 2010 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

how about UConn's men's team beating WestVa tonight? Talk about a team that goes from

easily in the tourney, to easily out of the tourney, to back in the tourney again (maybe not so easily though!)

17-11, RPI 45 and #2 SOS? They are going to give the Selection Committee fits and give their fans heart attacks.

There is no way to peace; peace is the way.

by GoNolzOhio on Feb 22, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They're easily in.

Unless they tank here on out. A coincidence that they tanked while Calhoun was out? I think the committee will take that into consideration.

"Trick is right."

by tricknole on Feb 23, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

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