Florida State Spring Football Position Preview: Running Back
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| RB Coach Eddie Gran |
This is second in a multi-part series covering the position groups as Florida State begins Spring practice. Florida State only lost 1 starter from its record-setting 2009 offense. That lone starter was WR Rod Owens. The 'Noles also lost only 2 backups in Richard Goodman and Brandon Davis. Remarkably, FSU returns 11 of 12 starters and 10 of 12 reserves. With that returning depth, you might think that the Spring will be boring for the offense. Some off-season surgeries, however, will make things interesting and give the younger players a chance to step up and show their talent. Last week we looked at Quarterbacks. Today we'll be looking at the running back position.
The running back position received a major upgrade with the addition of coach Eddie Gran. FSU fans will remember that former RB coach Dexter Carter was effectively relieved of his duties as running backs coach around mid-season after his backs missed 70% of the proper holes in the Boston College game (backs combined for 15 carries for 23 yards). Enter Gran, who is widely regarded as one of if not the top running backs coach in the country. You can read up on Gran here. And a tremendous profile of Gran the family man here. Having coached backfields that led the SEC in rushing 5 times, Gran has a reputation for being very detail oriented. Most teams stash their best recruiter at running back coach, even if he can't coach. Gran is arguably FSU's best recruiter, but he is also a tremendous coach. He's also an excellent special teams coordinator, a role he will continue to fill at Florida State.
Florida State carries 6 running backs and all 6 are healthy and available for Spring ball. That's great news for the 'Noles as the FSU defense needs all the work against a great running attack as it can get.
| RB Jermaine Thomas |
The backs begin with Jermaine Thomas. The Junior from Jacksonville's First Coast HS has been a standout performer for the Noles in his first two seasons. The 6'1 200 LB Thomas led the Noles in rushing last season with 810 yards and an impressive 5.10 average. Thomas greatly benefited from the Carter role reduction. Just have a look:
| Carter | Post-Carter | ||||
| Vs. |
# |
Yds (Avg) | Vs. |
# |
Yds (Avg) |
| Mia | 7 | 10 (1.4) | GTech | 19 | 98 (5.2) |
| Jax St | 2 | 8 (4) | @ UNC | 4 | 17 (4.3) |
| @ BYU | 6 | 23 (3.8) | NCST | 20 | 186 (9.3) |
| USF | 1 | 15 (15) | @ Clem | 26 | 119 (4.6 |
| @ BC | 10 | 21 (2.1) | @ Wake | 25 | 149 (6) |
| Maryland | 11 | 44 (4) | |||
| @ UF | 7 | 21 (3) | |||
| WVU | 25 | 121 (4.8) | |||
| Total |
26 |
77 (3.0) | Total |
137 |
755 (5.5) |
Thomas went from 3.0 yards per carry to 5.5 yards per carry under the instruction of the offensive line coach instead of the running backs coach. It should also be noted that Thomas battled injuries earlier in the year, but the improvement was noticeable across the board for all of the backs.
Jimbo Fisher was rumored to be very disappointed with Thomas early in the year. Could it be that some of that frustration was caused not by Thomas, but by the guy instructing him? In any case, Thomas is a very good back who seems perfectly designed for Florida State's zone scheme, thanks to his excellent balance and vision. Some believe that Thomas will become Florida State's first 1000 yard-rusher since Warrick Dunn in 1993. If he can keep his 5.1 average, he would need 196 carries to get there. That's 33 more carries than last season. It's possible, but remember that while at LSU, Jimbo Fisher's offense once led the SEC in rushing without having a single back eclipse the 550 yard mark.
Thomas played a lot of receiver in high school and has excellent hands. Look for him to have an expanded role catching passes out of the backfield in 2010. He caught 17 balls for 129 yards last season and I would expect that to increase to somewhere north of 20 this coming year. As for Spring, Thomas needs to continue to set the tone as the top back and continue to improve his blocking.
Inside, you'll find the analysis of the remaining 5 running backs.
A New Face
Next up is the 6'0" 240 lb Debrale Smiley. Smiley is a Redshirt Sophomore who enrolled this January. He originally played for Thomas County Central HS in Thomasville, Georgia and spent two years at Itawamba CC (Mississippi). Smiley is a freak of an athlete and unfortunately it appears his film has been removed from Youtube due to the use of an unauthorized soundtrack. He can move really well for a back his size. I would compare him to a young Jerome Bettis. There is a ton of hype surrounding Smiley.
But that hype needs to be controlled. Because he wanted to have three seasons of eligibility at Florida State, Smiley took a redshirt year last season at his JUCO and focused solely on academics. He last played a football game in November of 2008. His first carry in Spring ball will be the first carry he has had in 15 months. He's not in great shape right now and FSU didn't expect him to be considering he took the year off. But Smiley is a very mature guy. He's 22 years old and is married with a kid (maybe two). Suffice to say, he is not your typical sophomore.
As for Spring, Smiley comes with a ton of questions. What kind of shape is he in? How is his hip flexibility? How quickly can he grasp the scheme? What plays can he run? Can he catch? How much fullback will he play (Smiley understands that he needs to play some fullback to showcase his talents to the NFL)? How much of a role will he have in the offense?
Answers to all of these questions should be forthcoming, but the one issue that is not in doubt is that he is a very large grown man who runs extremely hard.
Sophomore Sensations
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| RB Lonnie Pryor |
Next on the list is Lonnie Pryor. The 6'1" 210 lb sophomore from Okeechobee was a sensation as a freshman. Many felt he would need time to acclimate himself to Jimbo Fisher's scheme due to concerns that he did not fit within the zone scheme. That was unnecessary, however, as Fisher simply did not ask him to do run in the zone scheme. Pryor showed that he is an incredible team player and thrust himself into the offense with his willingness to block. He understands the offense. He blocks. He has excellent hands. And he really is the do-it-all guy for the 'Noles offense. Pryor never seemed to mess up. Ever. Even at 210 lbs, FSU stuck him at fullback a few times and he excelled there.
But where Pryor really excelled was as a Shotgun back. He protected Ponder and Manuel with crushing blocks. He did a nice job on draws (including the game winner against Maryland). And he was sensational catching the ball out of the backfield. Oh, and he was tremendous on special teams as well. And he's a great glue guy. It's tough to do anything but praise Pryor.
So how does a guy who was arguably the freshman of the year improve? It would be tough. Pryor could probably add 10-15 LBs to his frame without sacrificing much, if any quickness. The bigger question is whether he has improved to a point as a runner where he can run in the zone scheme. It's a minor worry, but opponents could pick up on a tendency when Pryor is in the game. The best guess is that Fisher will continue to find ways to use the talented sophomore.
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| RB Chris Thompson |
Next up is Sophomore Chris Thompson. The 5'8" 178 lb spark plug from nearby Madison is another one of the promising players from the 2009 offensive class. Thompson battled injuries and the death of his grandfather last season, but still played well when called upon. Thompson rushed for 120 yards on 23 carries, a 5.2 average. He also caught two balls for 10 yards. Thompson has tremendous hands and it's entirely likely that he catches 20 balls next season as he becomes more comfortable in the offense. Thompson is a quiet, no-nonsense, yes sir, no sir kid with a tremendous work ethic. His goal for Spring should be to continue to add weight and improve his blocking.
Two Question Marks
Our next two players each come with some questions. Both have undeniable potential, but both have a lot of work to do.
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| RB Ty Jones |
Carlton Jones, AKA Ty Jones came to FSU from Tampa Middleton HS as a relatively unheralded two-star recruit. Even those who followed Tampa HS ball were not that impressed with Jones. But he overcame some academic issues and made it to Florida State in the Fall of 2008.
But academics aren't Jones' biggest problem. Jones struggles with Type-1 Diabetes. He failed the manage it over the last two seasons and as a result, his weight fluctuated wildly. He did not do what was expected of him and is essentially still a freshman in terms of physical development.
Jones also struggles picking up the mental part of the game, with costly missed assignments and blocks.
But when Jones is on, he can really play. He's just wildly inconsistent. This Spring, Jones needs to show a serious dedication to taking care of himself. He has a ton of ground to make up in the weight room. Jones is not an effective player at 200 lbs, but could be very good at 225. It's very likely that Jones 2010 season will decide whether he finishes his career at Florida State or transfers. And Jones must really put it together right now in order for him to even get a look during the regular season.
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| RB Tavares Pressley |
The second question mark has had some bad luck. Tavares Pressley is originally from Arcadia (FL) and came to FSU as a Junior via California's El Camino JUCO program. He's 6'1" 205 lbs and when healthy, is a really good back. Rivals and Scout rated him as a 4* prospect and he was a top 3 JUCO back coming out in 2008.
Unfortunately, he tore his ACL in 2008 during Fall camp. Pressley redshirted that season and missed Spring as well. He struggled last season to recover from the ACL injury. That's not uncommon as the ACL injury is typically an 18-month type injury. Pressley tallied 40 yards on 9 carries.
Running back coach Eddie Gran recently said that Pressley is his fastest back. If TP can put it together this Spring and show his skills, he could get some serious playing time this season. But he still has a long way to go, given that we haven't yet seen him block or catch. How much of the scheme can he grasp? Perhaps a specialized role would be best for Pressley. This is his money year and you can bet he'll be giving it his all to get on the field and show his stuff for the NFL.
Spring should be pretty exciting with 6 capable and healthy backs under the direction of one of the nation's premier running back coaches.
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You've got Gran's pic
labeled as D Craig.
Great review though. Hopefully #39 will make a big leap in his Money Year.
Nole-Aid
I usually leave the cup on the counter, but I can’t help but think of what could be for this team in 2010.
Coach Gran + tons of talent at RB + healthy Ponder = a LOT of scoring and time of posession, which could push the opposing team into becoming throw first to play catch up. Pray for this before you go to bed everynight, Mark Stoops…
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about "TONS" but we do have a good group of ATH's at skill positions. I think we finaly get what we're not used to this decade...development.
I settle for that, cause quality depth and development puts us in the ACCCG most every year.
Yeah, right!
I was just about to say that.
I want to wear my garnet colored shades because I feel this is the best team we will have in some time, and that is even including all the fresh blood on defense. Its nice to not have all these BS lingering clouds hanging over the program. This is the first year in a few that I am thinking, “we could surprise some people, myself included.”
Still though,
time of possession doesn’t matter if you let the opposing team score at will and in short amounts of time.
Our offense (3) + our defense (0) < Opponent offense (2) + opponent defense (2)
I guess what I was experimenting with was another way to communicate that we had to trade scores with each team and hope we scored first and last. The opponent was at an advantage because they could reasonably expect to stop our offense more than we could stop theirs. Our offense is good but we don’t score at will just based on our dominance alone, we would need to face a defense like the one we had last year to think we could score everytime we got the ball.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
Bud, With Gran in and a stable of RB’s, How much do you think we will ask our QBs to run? (Between EJ & CP, they ran for around 25% of our running plays)
Good question
I’d like to see a reduced roll as far as designed QB runs in the offense.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Feb 23, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I hope not
In the college game you really need to have the QB run threat. Just conceptually, you’re cheating yourself if you don’t. Even if it is on the boot-action to hold the back-side end.
Are you removing sacks and scrambles? I doubt we called 25% of our runs for the QB.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
You are correct!
I dont think I removed sacks and scrambles as they are included in overall stats as carries! As well, I am not saying we shouldnt use the QB run but my question was more to the effect of how does an improved run game impact the QB run? To me, the threat of a run game makes the QB run so much more exciting!
We are dead if Ponder goes down though
I hope we limit his carries. As long as the defense respects his ability we shouldn’t need to use him running the ball that much.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 23, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Doing both is highly unlikely
He has to be smart when he does run and avoid contact whenever possible. We’ll call much fewer QB runs this season as opposed to last IMO.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 23, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
He was hurt the whole season
While WRs dropping the ball and S biting on play fakes did a lot of damage against USF, Ponder was already hurt following the BYU game and it no doubt affected his running game that game and the rest of the season.
There’s got to be a mix where maybe CP7 has 3-5 design runs a game, and beyond that he should play smart QB and either chuck the ball, scramble into check downs or have his more experience WR corps break routes. He should have better protection this year with a veteran line and stronger RB blocking, but I don’t think any of us truly wants Ponder running 10-12 times a game.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt he had 5 designed runs per game this year
It’s the qb choice plays I am mostly concerned with.
Which are incidentally the plays with lesser risk.
Roll out, find a seam that gets you a first down, and slide or go out of bounds. It’s design option plays that beat a QB down.
Ponder was clearly slowed in the USF game.
There were 2 sacks that he normally would have run away from, but he didn’t have his typical burst.
Oderint Dum Metuant
What's more valuable
A bump in rushing yards or a healthy Heisman-level QB? I like EJ but CP is more advanced at this point. With that said, I’m not advocating completely removing designed QB runs from our O but I do hope we are more selective in calling them.
My opnion would change if CP actually pitches the ball on some of those choice plays.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 23, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying if you remove them the RB effectiveness goes down
The choice plays are actually a give/keep not a pitch. I would like to scrap the option stuff with CP.
+1
I don’t see why everyone is so hasty to say we need to make changes in anything we did on offense last year. I mean, we produced 90’s dynasty type numbers on offense last season! Ponder doesn’t need to change anything he did last year…except for the “tackle” he put on Clemson’s safety. Yea, he played hurt through games last year, but he was putting up Heisman numbers in doing so! The games we lost last year were because of our defense (or lack thereof rather) NOT our running game OR the decisions of CP. He’s a football player, let him play…
One hypothetical
If Ponder has three plays in his mind as he approaches the line, as has been articulated several times…how do you take away the option or designed run if it is not eliminated from the playbook and he ends up checking to it?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
My mind is stuck on those option plays. We’re in agreement.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 23, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Why not eliminate option AND choice/read?
Coming from the standpoint of being risk averse and having a QB that has been injured each of his two years as starter, I wonder why we can’t eliminate both from the playbook.
If CP has the room for 5-10 yards on a choice/read and he gets 7yd then is crushed by a LB or rolled up by a chasing DT and saftey what will have been the point? Sure, we’ve got a capable backup in EJ and running is a key part of the QB in college football now given the ability to draw a spy defender to account for the QB run…but didn’t we have just as many successful offenses that didn’t have QBs that ran in 2009?
Of the top 30 QB in total offense in 2009, only 14 rushed more than 100 times on the season. So for every Jake Locker and Tim Tebow, there were was a Ryan Mallet’s and Jimmy Claussen.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_playertotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
Sorry to harp, but I figured its worth consideration. Whatever Jimbo decides is obviously best.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Because part of why our run game is so effective is that teams must respect the qb run
it’s simply a numbers game. It occupies an extra defender.
Mallet and Claussen didn’t have run games like an FSU, Florida, or Washington
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You make valid points
But if we take away the choice then the D we remove an option offensively. The fact that CP can get positive yards prevents the D from flowing to the RB. From there it’s a dominal effect (down and distance work against us, the D knows we’re going to pass, the D loads up against the pass, CP needs to have Manning/Brees accuracy to be successful).
Ultimately, it’s on CP. He has to get down or get out of bounds. He just can’t take every hit.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 23, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I was trying to say
No-choice= 9 blockers v. 11 defenders
Choice= 10 blockers v. 11 defenders (11% more blocking)
I'm with ya
Just putting the question out there.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
Wake in 2008 is not worth remembering
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
+1 on not running Ponder as much...err him choosing to run less
With a line as experienced as ours, I think that our running game should be enough with JT, Smiley, Thompson etc. Of course there will be times when he could pick up easy yards and get down, but for the long haul I think it may be better to rely on RB for yards.
He was injured in his ribs going into that game.
But he should have never attempted that tackle, sure.
365 days, until I change my ways.
I agree.....but that's what I LOVE about him.
I love a QB that just wants to knock a bitch out after throwing a pick!!
….Just protect yourself when you do—you’re not wearing LB pads.
Oderint Dum Metuant
I'm not saying he should never run but
he has been hurt for the second half of the last two seasons and as a result has hindered our teams ability to win some games.
Limit his running a bit and LEARN TO SLIDE PONDER!
Great read.
I love me some Pryor cathcing passes out of the shotgun set.
Nice
This one of the positions that is loaded and has a lot of talent at FSU. Gran obviously is a huge upgrade as a coach and with Pryor and Thomas I expect some great things. I’m even going to go out on a limb and say Thomas has a 1,000 yard season. I also share some reservations about Smiley, but with Vic now at FSU I expect Smiley to get to work at getting into game shape. Upside on him is huge. I would love if he turned into a bigger Greg Jones. As usual great stuff.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I expect Smiley will be in shape this season and will get some looks during the year
but I really expect him to shine next year and his senior year. He will probably get a lot of short yardage work this year and will have time to get used to the scheme but if he stays healthy and learns how to run in a zone scheme he could be a monster by his Junior year. Greg Jones was my favorite player to watch while I was at FSU and I have been dieing to see another big back like that since he left.
Yeah Jones was a player plain and simple.
Here’s some classic Greg Jones….nasty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wbO3ZOQMbQ
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Can't count how many times I have watched this and other Greg Jones videos on Youtube
My favorite run of his is when he threw Sean Taylor (RIP) on his a$$ and then stepped right over him while looking down at him. The same Sean Taylor most people in the NFL regarded as one of the hardest hitters in the league. Greg was just simply scary and if it wasn’t for his unfortunate injury problems he would have been a monster RB in the NFL too. Guess he doesn’t mind being the highest paid FB ever in the NFL though.
Greg Jones sighting
I stood behind Jones in the Financial Aid line once. He was just wearing a sleeveless T: the guy look like he was literally chiseled out of rock. Glad I never had to tackle that!
Nothing can stop us....
I got a funny story about Greg
We went tubing down a river outside of Tally and there was a tree jump/ rope swing in the middle of the run. When we pulled up to the jump we look up and there is this huge guy up top who happened to be G. Jones, looked like he had legs for arms, his biceps are freaking massive (no homo). Anyway when we get closer we hear him talking about how he is scared to jump down and if you ever heard him talk he has a real squeaky, Mike Tyson like, voice so it doesn’t fit him at all. Here was the scariest biggest guy I have ever seen in person scared to jump into a lake from about 8’ with the squeakiest voice ever. He finally jumped in after a long wait and just to show him up my friend, a 5’ nothing fat stoner kid comes running right behind him and does the sickest belly flop I think I have ever seen into 4’ of water. It was classic, although I didn’t have much respect for my friend before that he definitely earned at least a little bit that day for showing up Greg Jones on the tree jump.
Greg Jones
He is a Roosevelt kind of guy, speak softly but carry a big stick. Had a class with him; he was a nice guy, not pretentious at all.
The water must have been awful high when you were there
Cause I’ve been at that rope swing when the water is less than 1ft deep. He’s a big dude, he wasn’t scared of the height, he was scared he would knock all the water out of the river.
+1 on short yardage
We haven’t had a true short yardage back in a few years. I think I remember a game last season where we were 1st and goal on the 1 and didn’t come away with a TD???
Nothing can stop us....
I think there were couple of games last year where we struggled to convert short yardage and had to resort to FGs!
I agree that it will be nice to have a short yardage back
But, remember, we had the best red zone offense in the ACC last year
>>---l>
Agree about the best Red zone offense!
But as with anything else, we are looking to improve on our best! I am sure with that defense – Saban will still tell you how many assignments his guys missed!
Three games with 1st n Goal inside the 5
And zero points. UM, USF, BC
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
How about 10 plays inside the two?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, should have specified
I meant 10 plays total inside the two in which we didn’t score.
IIRC, UM was pass interference which gave us ball on the 2yd line (doesn’t apply now that I think about it bc of time constraints), USF was 4 plays inside the two, BC was 3 plays inside the two then some rediculous end around that lost 7 yards.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 23, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to be perfect in those situations
but nobody will be. We were tremendous in the red zone all year. I think our offense spoiled our fans to the point that the misses really stand out.
Also, not getting it is factored into the decision. Leaving the ball on the opponent’s two is a very advantageous situation.
"Leaving the ball on the opponent’s two is a very advantageous situation."
Usually. Last year, I don’t think it mattered WHERE the opponents got the ball, LOL. (I tease, I tease…)
nothing like being unpredictable!
id maybe like to set it up w/ a couple fades to the corner or play action lobs to the 6’12 tight end to make the linebackers think before they dive the 1 gap
I would like to see "44 Wham" 9 times and if we don't get in, try for a FG just like the old days. {attempt at sarcasm}
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
i like that you said 'try' for a field goal
b/c under jeffy we would normally lose 4 yards in three downs, plus lose another 15 in penalties, so our first and goal from the two would result in about a 31 yd fg attempt
well played, sir
God y'all remember that shit??
It would be like 1st and goal from the 3.
First play: QB on the sneak. Now 2nd and goal from the 3
Second Play: QB on the sneak. Now 3rd and goal from the 4
Third Play: Toss sweep to the left. Now 4th and goal from the 7
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Feb 24, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I remember toss sweep on 1st from the 1..,
…and then we’re in 2nd and 7 with no hope. And that’s why I scream whenever I see a team on an early down and a very short distance do anything BUT the QB sneak.
I’m serious. Any team’s chances of stopping two QB sneaks in a row from less than a yard out are nil. A lot better than risking a TFL on a deep handoff or pitch, which decimates your odds of converting.
Not the backs fault.
Tight Ends really screwed that up. Remember, Bowden complained about the line and Trickett said “if you actually watch the film, you’d see…”
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
When being 80 goes wrong
I’m glad these are just memories and not premonitions.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 23, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Probably the youth
They really improved as the season wore on. We had the #1 red zone offense. The misses really stand out because there were so few.
Love it
stuff like this makes the quiet season far more bearable. 3 more weeks til spring practice..
If our back ups are good
that should make for some running up of the score during garbage time.
I'll hold off...
Thinking about garbage time for now. Will we be better? Yes. But, a tough schedule and a how-fast-can-they-improve defense help keep my perspective straight. High expectations can come with big disappointments. I hope we’ll have “garbage time” opportunities for the back-ups this year, but it may be 2011 before we see many of them.
great stuff
i like the bit on tp – im very hopeful he can contribute this season…
Pressley is faster than Thompson? Pretty interesting
I don’t think that Thomas will be able to eclipse 1,000 yards this year. If Smiley can show something and Pressley earns reps, we can expect the commitee approach. That’ll be good though in case there are any injuries. I’d like to see what Thompson can do with more carries though
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 23, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions
Not only is Pressley faster than Thompson
he’s slightly bigger, which is why I’ve always been so high on the guy since I head we picked him up. But since his injury he’s been a tough story to watch. I hope he’s completely healed and can get at least some key PT.
Nothing can stop us....
same here
and its tough b/c he seems to be a great kid who works hard and is incredibly gifted, just had some really bad luck w/ that injury his 1st day of practice last year..
Well hopefully he'll (Pressley) will get some run this year and get a shot at some NFL money too
He’ll get a fresh start with Gran. I see the rotation revolving around JT, Debrale, and TP this year. JT is firmly entrenched as the lead back and deservedly so, I’d like to see what TP can do this year though
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 23, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
+1 I was shocked to hear Coach Gran say...
That Pressley was the fastest of the 6. I knew the kid had talent. He was PoY in CC & looked good in the BYU game. Too bad he got maimed in the USF game on that 1st down run. Hope he has a break out year. Got to root for the guy after all the hardwork to get back after tearing his knee up 2 years ago.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
he's actually a lot bigger than Thompson
6 foot tall with Antone Smith-esque muscularity.
by The K-Man on Feb 23, 2010 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought I recalled Chaney's biggest limitation as his top-end speed, so that hurts the comp a little.
He was more of an Amp Lee kind of guy… very elusive, but unlike a Booker or A. Smith, he was a lot tougher to bring down than his measurables would suggest.
Agreed – Thomas won’t get to 1000 – becasue the other talented backs will earn carries. He is also shown not to be durable for a whole season – he definitely doesn’t run well hurt – as shown in the first half of the year – D. Carter issues notwithstanding
i don't think we'll have a 1000 yd back
not b/c theyre not talented enough, or b/c we won’t be successful running the ball –
but rather b/c we’ll take the advanced running back by committee approach
and we have 5 legit runners this year…
Thanks for doing this!
Interested to see your views on TE! We have started using the TE as a option and keen to see what we do this year, still believe we dont have an elite TE on our offense but hoping reliford can improve (loved his blocking +catching late last year)
We also have a decent walk on at tight end (Watson)
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Full name? Or will I have to wait until the article comes out?
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 23, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Think it's Jon Watson, not sure
Played for a school with Blue jerseys in Jax
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe...
Jonathan Wallace? Out of Lee High School in Jax and they use blue.
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome job man
The work you guys put in is truly appreciated especially during these boring months of waiting for Football season. Thank God I have the world cup to watch this summer.
I happen to be a huge JT fan.
New S&C program + country’s nastiest/most talented OL + coach Gran = BIG season from Jermaine.
I know that Christian Ponder is our Heisman candidate…He’s the clear cut MAN. However, Jermaine Thomas is gonna make some NOISE this year. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as a Walker award finalist. I’m really excited about his potential this year.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 23, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions
You missed
a golden opportunity to get Trick’s “Lonnie Pryor is a football player. Lonnie Pryor likes football and I like Lonnie Pryor.” (or something like that) quote in his preview. Definitely one of my favorite Trickett quotes! :)
Errata
Change “lead” to “led” in two places.
And thanks as usual for the great write-up.
oops
I usually do not make that mistake.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I still see the best Pryor analog ...
… is Edgar Bennett. Undersized FB, but brought so much to the table in terms of running and pass catching ability and was still able to block better than the smaller frame would indicate. Pryor is one of my favorite Noles right now.
He has great balance in his blocking.
Great comparison.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
As long as I'm critiquing these comparisons...
I agree about blocking and catching similarities… obviously has a ways to go before he’s Edgar Bennett in either of those categories….
The thing that he’s flashed that Edgar never really had was that homerun threat…. I am really excited to see whether LP can pull off some more of those really long plays… like Jerry Rice; he may be one of those guys that doesn’t burn up the track, but you don’t ever see him get run down from behind.
Lonnie is my favorite player on the offense outside of Ponder.
Pryor will play in the NFL. He doesn’t miss assignments, he is an excellent blocker, has great balance and good enough straight line/athleticism to carve himself a niche.
He may never be great in our base (zone) scheme but I really love watching him play.
365 days, until I change my ways.
totally agree
Great character good team player, LOVE watching him. And he’s from my very small HS… Okeechobee!
by garnetandgold on Feb 23, 2010 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If JT could have played in the first 5 games
like he did in the last 8, in terms of avg. number of carries and avg. yardage, according to my calculations he would have ended up with 1,226 yards! Talk about a 1,000 yard rusher.
Eddie Gran
I hope eddie’s biggest contribution is to keep our RB’s honest! They seem to have good games and then fade off and then someone else goes through those patches. With our offense, we dont need all our RBs to be spectacular but we do need them to be steady and stick to the plan!
if they are not consistent...
at least they know this year that there is quality depth behind them. It tends to cause people to focus if they know inferior performance will lead to being replaced quickly. This is why I like the competition at every position approach we’re starting to see.
If Pressley comes on in spring
any chance that Thompson redshirts? I’ve heard/read the stat about Fisher and the year he had, I believe, 4 RBs at LSU get 150+ carries, but I still there may be a lack of playing time for 6 backs. I think Jones is the odd man out amongst the six. Smiley already redshirted and he seems ideal for one-back sets. No way Thomas or Pryor redshirt. They seem most likely to get the most PT of the 6, especially with Pryor at FB some. So, long story short, any chance Pressley gets to play out his senior year and Thompson takes a redshirt to bulk up, learn the offense some more, etc.?
I was told that we will not redshirt skill guys unless they absolutely need it.
But I do see your point and wouldn’t disagree.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Let's figure we play 14 games this year (we're favored to win the Atlantic)
That’s roughly 960 plays (removing kneel downs).
Figure we run it 500 times and running backs catch 50 balls.
Thomas 185 carries
QBs 40 carries (not including scrambles/sacks)
Smiley 85 carries
Pryor 66 carries
Then 124 carries for Pressley, Thompson, and Jones, + our usual 20 or so non-rb carries.
is that enough? I don’t know.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
This may be a refence in your confidence in the defense showing marked improvement
You must believe we won’t be behind nearly as much. Thats 500 carries when we had 422 last (Including sacks and kneeldowns). Pressley and Smiley might compete for who spells JT. You mentioned Smiley coming in out of shape so if TP shows anything he may rotate in every third series by default. Thats a big question though
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 23, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Correct and
Though I wonder if Fisher doesn’t let Ponder go wild and throw it all over the place to get the trophy
I’ve also added in the ACCCG.
I'd rather we maintain our balance
Throw for 250 or so per game (With Ponder having between 66-70% accuracy) to move the chains and run the ball effectively (around 5.0- 5.2 per carry before adjustments for sacks etc) to keep our defense off the field. I’d like for the D to learn all they can under Stoops, just play ball control on offense first while the defense picks up the scheme in game situations and builds continuity.
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 23, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'd recommend we implement the strategy I use when playing NCAA
Change difficulty setting to JV and run the hail mary on every offense play and goal line all out blitz on defense.
Couldn’t hurt to go into the settings and change everyone’s ability to 99.
Some good/interesting points in this discussion.
My guess… we definitely will run more than last year… you better believe we’re going to leverage those extra 50-60 lbs across the OL into some painful Saturdays for opposing DLs…
Regarding Ponder and a trophy, I think less attempts in this scenario works to his benefit. He’s going to get impressive volume in yards/stats, regardless, but if he’s doing it against the backdrop of a hell-storm of a rushing attack, his efficiency numbers (pass rating, TDs/INTs, etc.) will skyrocket.
But voters use raw numbers a lot more than doing any analysis
Regardless of his stats, we have to win as the committee has made it known that it is a team award.
365 days, until I change my ways.
I'm personally more interested in Ponder's comp % and TD/INT ratio
If he’s throwing for 320-340 yards per game that means something else is wrong. An efficent (And healthy) Ponder will do.
, as opposed to him going Timmy Chang in 2010. An effient QB and a rock solid run game will get us to the ACC title game if the defense is at least competent next year. JMHO
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 23, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that I just want him to be effecient, just looking at out how voters do.
365 days, until I change my ways.
I think we agree.
Wins are crucial, and for stats, we’re talking about the margins.
I think if we’re talking about 10% fewer passes (yards), it won’t hurt his chances… i.e., he’s going to break 3,000, and likely won’t break 4,000, either way…. but given it might yield us another win, and improve his efficiency, and reduce chance of injury, it’s probably a trade-off that is in his best interests.
No problem
Just thought I’d help with the “editing.” Thanks for these write ups, by the way.
Is Daniel Gard in for this year?
He played in the first three games last year, until injuring his knee against BYU. I think he started at FB against BYU and Jax St. I know he won’t win any awards or amass much yardage (if any), but he did some good things in the BYU game before getting injured (I didn’t get to watch the Jax St game). 2010 was to be his senior year, and we still don’t really have a fullback.
We think he's not around.
Because of his knee injury.
Our offense is going away from the fullback, much like many in the NFL are.
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
There's a guy from Jeff Luc's
high school that’s walking on and will play Fullback.
by Quentin C on Feb 23, 2010 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It would be interesting...
To have a side by side comparison/analysis of the FSU 2010 projected offense and the 2003 LSU offense that won the NC. They seem very similar in their makeup…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 23, 2010 12:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Would have to account for changes in clock rules
In the old days teams got 80 plays :(
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm...right you are
Based on strictly makeup, though…# of returning starters, previous year stats, depth, sos, etc. It seems like our offense is similar. Especially at the skill positions.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 23, 2010 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha Ha! I think it was solid...
Good enough to win a NC…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 23, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think this year's Nole offense
will be much better than that LSU offense. Then again it likely will have to be. LSU had a solid defense and Nick Saban probably wanted things to be ball controlled to work the clock.
smiley
married with one kid (maybe two) lmao, all jokes aside great story, i’d love to see a 1,000 yard back but 3 or 4 guys at 5 or 600 sounds even better…
With a rotation like that....
We can really wear down a defense with fresh RB’s entering the game pretty often…
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Quick question
I’m a little confused by the statement that we return 11 of 12 starters (and 10 of 12 reserves) – are you counting EJ in with the starters, or another guy with lots of starting experience, etc.? (Personally, I hope we see the return of a “12th Man” type of home crowd, LOL)
Yes, counting EJ
if you use 11, it’s probably 10 of 11 and 9 of 11
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
also a grey area with injured senior Caz Piurowski departing.
You could argue that he WAS the starting TE before going down against GTEch and therefore we’re losing another starter.
On the other hand, you could argue that A) we’re going away from the traditional TE in favor of the H-Back and 2) Beau Reliford started and played admirably when thrust into the starting role. The consistency from 2009 to 2010 will be seamless.
by The K-Man on Feb 23, 2010 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think a good rule will be that if a player started 1/3rd of the games in succession to end the season, he's a returning starter
I would disagree with this
A) we’re going away from the traditional TE in favor of the H-Back
I think we’re doing away from the traditional FB in favor of the H-Back
by Bud Elliott on Feb 23, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
i stand corrected
I’m just stuck in 1982.
by The K-Man on Feb 23, 2010 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think what hurt our offense earlier in the year
Was the lack of a true lead blocker….
I think if Marcus Sims or Sed. Holloway would have stayed then we might not have strugled on the goal-line as much.
Lonnie Pryor really came along later in the season playing Fullback..
I noticed in the Gator Bowl they split him out a lot into more of a H-back type role.
Fullback/ H-back i dont really care…. As long as we have a guy that says “Hey thats me… Im the lead blocker… Thats my job… Follow me into the hole.”
"Its called the Veer"
by EducatedSpear on Feb 23, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
But we don't, for the most part, use designed holes.
So the lead blocker to the hole thing doesn’t apply as much.
O-Line
Do you think we see some rotation on the O-Line this year? Dont remember us seeing much of it last year.
Well late in blowout games, you can put in backups
but you just don’t rotate olinemen because of continuity. They get enough reps in practice.
Kentucky Derby offense?
Yeah, I know … we ain’t THAT good yet
by Cigar City Nole on Feb 23, 2010 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't tell you happy I am
That we’re going to have coaches that can actually coach.
Great breakdown!
Just one minor note: Dunn had his last 1,000 yard year in 96 sted 93. Hard to believe it’s been that long.
Great write up
Gran would need to land some top flight prospects to take coley’s title as top recruiter.
I think most believe Gran > Coley
He’s done tremendous work in Florida despite not even coaching in Florida
This is blasphemy! How could you!?!
“arguably the best recruiter” – them’s fightin’ words! :)
I love Coley, but Gran has the longer resume.
Coley has a ton of work before he can be considered a better recruiter than Gran.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
I like the article
But to blame the early running play last year of Thomas solely on Dexter Carter seems to be wrong. I think he was hurt. If he was healthy I think the coaches would have put him out there more in the early games. Also, he seemed to have no problem with the scheme his freshman year. I think missing time made him have to get re-acclimated.
I also think, if a back gets hot, ride him! I know there is tons of talent, but I do not want to see a guy who is tearing up the opposition taken out unless he his tired or hurt. Even USC with a deep stable of backs would use one guy more than others when it was obvious he was the best.
The other runners improved quite a bit as well.
Even in the BYU game, where we ran for 300, we were missing holes.
Also, he seemed to have no problem with the scheme his freshman year. I think missing time made him have to get re-acclimated.
With what he was given. He had a much expanded role in 2009.
And I noted that Jermaine was hurt
It should also be noted that Thomas battled injuries earlier in the year, but the improvement was noticeable across the board for all of the backs.
"Even in the BYU game, where we ran for 300, we were missing holes."
Is a perfect example of results v. process. We saw results in spite of our broken process.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 23, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent point.
Not to say that I don’t want our line to hold their blocks for 5 seconds every play, but great point.
Though as you point out
Many teams hold the running back coaching position for the best recruiter, so does that mean in general teams do not think it requires as much coaching as natural ability?
You say improvement was noticeable across the board, but also as you pointed out, Ty Jones battled diabetes issues, so his playing time went down so much it was hard to say he improved. Thomas and Pressley did not have enough plays to really give us much to go on. Pryor got enough playing time to get more comfortable and develop.
so does that mean in general teams do not think it requires as much coaching as natural ability?
I think they believe they can compensate for the lack of coaching through the use of other coaches if necessary.
Wow, I thought Tight End would be the easiest to compensate
between having an OL coach and WR coaching working on receiving and blocking, but that is why I am not a coach lol

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