Preview and Game Thread: Florida State Seminoles vs North Carolina Tarheels, 7pm EST
by TrueCubbie on Feb 24, 2010 8:00 AM EST
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Florida St. Seminoles at North Carolina Tar Heels, Feb 24, 2010 7:00 PM EST
Upset alert? Depends on your perspective. Given the disappointment that has been the in conference schedule for the North Carolina Tarheels, Florida State should expect to win this game. But, nothing is guaranteed in Chapel Hill, no matter how good or bad a season North Carolina may be having. Winning this game is important for a number of reasons. It's an road win. It's North Carolina. Everyone else has taken care of business against the Tarheels.
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Game Time: 7:00pm EST
Opponent's Site: Carolina March
Television: ESPN
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
Toney Douglas's departure generated many questions about the Florida State Seminoles. Imagine what the impact of the departure of Tyler Hansbrough, Wayne Ellington, Ty Lawson and Danny Green would have on a team. Unfortunately for Roy Williams and all of the Tarheels' fans, the entire nation is seeing what the departure of talent and leadership can have on a team. UNC only has two seniors on the team and has one of the youngest teams in the nation. They rank 290th in the nation in experience. The drop off in their success may not be surprising. But, consider this fact. Florida State and Georgia Tech are ranked 299th and 302nd in the nation in experience. In case you're wondering, Kentucky is ranked 339th in the nation, demonstrating that youth does not equal automatic failure.
Before the season started, UNC was predicted to be one of the better teams in the country. It was felt that even though there was a significant departure of talent, Roy Williams brought in an outstanding freshman class and UNC would get away with it. In the early going, it appeared that the Tarheels would be one of the national contenders. They took care of Ohio State, only to lose on the next night to Syracuse by 16. They beat Michigan State only to lose to Kentucky by two points. Two weeks later, Texas handed the Tarheels their third loss of the season. It's hard to argue that any of those losses were terrible losses. They were all away from home and against the elite teams in the nation.
Then the team that only scored less than 70 points per game once in out of conference play, stopped scoring once the new year started. Since their January 4th overtime loss to the College of Charleston, UNC has not scored more than 80 points in a game. In their out of conference schedule, UNC scored less than 80 points on three occasions: Syracuse, Kentucky Ohio State. Since the CofC game, they have scored less than 70 points in six games. The fewest points that UNC scored in 2009 was 76 points in a win over Virginia.
This chart really demonstrates the significant decline in scoring:
Looking at the numbers, it's hard to believe that UNC is really 3-9 in the ACC. It makes more sense after watching a few of their games, but there is a relative discordance between UNC's record, talent and statistics. The Tarheels are 57th in the Pomeroy ratings. They have the 84th best offense and 47th best defense. They play at a blistering pace, rebound well, block a lot of shots and are a big team. They are the 4th tallest team in the nation. Their eFG% is a respectable 49.3%.
UNC gets into trouble in a couple of major statistical categories. They turn the ball over on 21.1% of possessions. 11.7% of their possessions result in steals. So what? Florida State turns the ball over all the time. But, the Seminoles force turnovers at a rate almost equal to that. UNC does not force enough turnovers, creating a significant turnover differential. Additionally, they do not get to the line and they do not shoot the ball well when they get to the line. This may play right into the hands of the Seminoles, but look at the Four Factors Evaluation:
While Florida State can and should win this game, nothing is guaranteed. Just ask Wake Forest.
Line Ups:
North Carolina
F #1 Marcus Ginyard 6'5 210 Senior 8.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg;
F #21 Deon Thompson 6'9 245lbs Senior 14.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg
F #31 John Henson 6'10 195 Freshman 4.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg
G #11 Larry Drew II 6'2 180 Sophomore 8.9 ppg, 5.9 apg
G #13 Will Graves 6'6 240lbs Junior 9.1 ppg, 4.9 rpg
Florida State
F #31 Chris Singleton 6'9 227lbs Sophomore
F #42 Ryan Reid 6'8 237lbs Senior
C #32 Solomon Alabi 7'1 251lbs Sophomore
G #21 Michael Snaer 6'5 200lbs Freshman
G #22 Derwin Kitchen 6'4 198lbs Junior
While every FSU fan should wish Ed Davis a speedy recovery, this is a different team without him. John Henson was an outstanding player, but has yet to reach his potential in the 13 minutes a game that he is playing. His minutes have significantly increased since the end of January. Unfortunately for the Tarheels, Ed Davis was their best all around player. However, Deon Thompson is having a great year. He has an ORtg of 107 and is doing a nice job on the glass. He is their leading scorer and is currently averaging 14 points per game. Florida State will need to keep him quiet early and prevent any big plays around the basket, which in turn will keep the crowd relatively quiet. Larry Drew is developing nicely at the point guard position and averages almost 6 assists per game. Is he a Ty Lawson? Not yet and he's only a sophomore.
This play demonstrates Larry Drew's quickness and the type of offense that UNC would like to run: complex screens leading to easy baskets by athletic big men.
This a high set with a couple of early back screens that set up to get Drew moving free on the wing, forcing Georgia Tech to roll the defense, leaving Thompson open on the backside. Fortunately, Florida State is long enough and athletic enough to help and recover. They are going to have to be committed to a team approach to man to man defense and recognize the set up of such plays. UNC would prefer to get out in transition and look to score early in the shot clock. If Florida State can force a true half court game on both ends of the court they can win this game. Michael Snaer will once again be key to the Seinoles success. He doesn't need to put up huge numbers. He needs to continue to play outstanding defense.
This should be a great game and an important one for the Noles.
Prediction: Florida State 71 UNC 67
Game Time: 7:00pm EST
Opponent's Site: Carolina March
Television: ESPN
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
Random Fact From Seminoles.com
SINGLETON AMONG NATION'S TOP DEFENDERS
ACC All-Defensive Team candidate Chris Singleton, who is the ACC leader in steals (2.3 spg) and ranked fifth in blocked shots (1.6 bpg), enters Wednesday's game against North Carolina looking to become only the fifth player in ACC history to finish in the top five in the conference statistics in both blocked shots and steals in the same season. Singleton would join Wake Forest's Josh Howard (2002-03), Duke's Shane Battier (1999-00 and 2000-01) and Duke's Christian Laettner (1990-91) as the only players in ACC history to finish in the top five in both statistical categories. Battier was named the National Player of the Year in both 1999-00 and 2000-01. Of the four players who have finished in the top five in both categories in the same season, only Battier in 2000-01 finished in the top four of both categories.
Go NOLES!!!
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great preview
couple edits:
first paragraph: leadership can have on a tea(m).
paragraph under scoring summary: Looking a(t) the numbers. Also (T)hey have the 84th best.
paragraph after that: Seminoles force(s) turnovers.
paragraph under screen shots: transition and look(s) to score.
stuff in parentheses should be edited, added or removed.
A buddy of mine is going to this game. I sure hope we can get a win on their court. Would make a great trip for him and a great win for the Noles.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
TV, what's your confidence factor (%) for winning this game
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
by RaysnNoles on Feb 24, 2010 8:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not the television (TV) but I think it's a definite toss up.
I’m admittedly pessimistic about tonight (and our final 4 games in general).
"Trick is right."
Can't wait
I will be at the game tonight dressed in my Garnet and Gold chanting “Just like football”. Oh man I can’t wait!
Spot
by FSUSpot on Feb 24, 2010 9:07 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
What section are you going to be in?
I’ve got seats in 101, 4th row. Hopefully it’ll be a good game and the crowd will be into it, but not too much ;)
Nice tickets
I will actually be in the student section as I attend UNC now for law school. The crowd will be into it and hopefully we can take them out of it with around 10 minutes to go in the second half.
Spot
Hopefully we take them out of it with 15 minutes to go in the FIRST half
and I get to hear your “Just like football” for 2 straight hours in a half empty, quiet arena.
"Trick is right."
Yep, need to zap the crowd early in this one.
In any case, when you let a ‘dog hang around until 10 minutes are left, especially a home ’dog, and you’re going to have a war on your hands. Make the crowd leave in disgust at half time.
Brings up an interesting point…. it seems like we’ve had several games this year where we have opened up the 2nd half with a huge burst…. am I the only one that’s noticed? If my perception is accurate, it would seem to be a huge shift from recent teams where the opening 2nd half malaise was typically our downfall.
Can't say for certain.
We have done pretty well in several games, but I can’t remember the others.
We are inconsistent. I know that much.
"Trick is right."
If you or anyone else had correctly predicted that only on ACC team would be in the polls at this pooint in the season and
UNC would be fighting to stay out of last place. well I’d have told you to lay off the drugs.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
I actually became very confident that the Noles would win this game when I went to a
certain website, that shall remain nameless, which posts pointspreads (for entertainment purposes only, of course). Said site installed FSU as a 2-point FAVORITE at Chapel Hill.
Now, setting aside the obvious implication that the end of the world is nigh if FSU is favored at UNC in basketball, the likelyhood is that the line should probably be larger than it is, but must be depressed to compensate for the still-unbelievable notion that UNC could be a home dog.
Based on that argument, I see two things in my future:
1. FSU 72, UNC 59
and
2. Vegas, baby, Vegas.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
danny sheridan has unc giving 7
i dont think ive ever seen such a wide range on a spread (an entertainment purpose spread that is)
UNC giving 7? Thats absurd. I'd be all over that line. Of course, Danny Sheridan does not
actually take bets!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
What an awesome Sports day
US-Switzerland (to get into the medal round); Ac Milan – Fiorentina (Serie A), Inter-Chelsea (Champions League); US-El Salvador (Friendly – although they must be pissed at us for the last second goal knocking them out of the World Cup)
UNC-FSU (And we’re home Favorites?!!!) and then Olympics for the nightcap.
My cup runneth over.
This game scares me.
With our inconsistency this year, it’s not a stretch to think that a team full of talent with an elite coach at home can decide to come alive and beat us.
Although this isnt a “must win”, a loss significantly shrinks our margin of error over the next 3 games (captain obvious has arrived).
Also, Id be interested to get everyone’s thoughts on how the committee would view a loss. They’re still Carolina at home, but as TC said, everyone else jas TCOB against them
See you guys tonite…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looks like something I'd say.
Wasn’t sure what tcob was at first but I’ve got it now.
But a loss at Carolina would be viewed much more leniently than a loss at home to State. Top 100 RPI. Road game. Traditional ACC power. Defending national champions.
"Trick is right."
Seriously CP? Soccer?
You do realize that soccer is a poison to our nations athletic advancement in regards to the youth of America, right?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Burn!
You just got slammed by our do-nothing AD. Ouch.
Since I’ve been dead wrong on almost every FSU b-ball game this year, I’ll happily give my analysis and prediction. With UNC having lost 6 of their last 7… I’ll go with law of averages, the shame of being a home ’dog, and having nothing to lose equates to:
UNC 68 FSU 62
One interesting stat to follow: FSU has won every game in which they have held the opponent under 70 this year except for UF (total 68). So, first one to 69 wins I guess.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 24, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Hey now...
Lets lay off the Spet dawg…no need to plant an insult tree.
Besides, I do plenty of stuff you little punk. Do you have any idea how hard it was to get ahold of Christian & Dekoda after Coach Bowden retired? Also, listening to my assistant read all the technical mumbo-jumbo lawyer talk from the “academic misrepresentation” incident…you think that was easy? Not to mention the strenous act of kissing the ass of the new president 24/7. I have a job to keep! Someone’s gotta feed the monkey!
You meddling kids and your WORTs and your TWSS…pain in my ass, I tell ya
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My apologies
I shouldn’t have said do-nothing. I mean, look at how much time you take out of your day just to comment on TN all the way from your brick covered ivory tower. How dare I attack you.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 24, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Apology accepted Ryno.
Youre a good dude. I would hate to have to place a lifetime ban on you for FSU sporting events.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Celtic, US hockey should have no problem with the Swiss, only 2 NHL's on their roster,
they played a shootout game yesterday, and we got the extra day’s rest. I am taking lunch at 3pm to get (hopefully) the first two periods in at a nearby sports bar (diet coke only!)
You didnt metion the biggest non-Noles game of the day! Canada-Russia at 7:30pm. Supposed to have been the gold medal final, now, since the loser gets no medal, something bigger is at stake: avoiding TOTAL embarrassment and shame. If Canada loses, put the whole nation on suicide watch.
And don’t forget Manchester City’s replay match vs. Stoke City in the F.A. Cup today . I root for City, and why do I root for City? Because they aren’t Man U! Same reason I don’t root for the Yankees, Cubs, Lakers, or Giants (New York Football or San Fransisco baseball!)
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
You too, GNO?
Finding out that you guys are soccer weenies is breaking my stone cold ticker…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I must confess, I am a "passing-to-moderate" soccer fan. I am very much excited
for the World Cup, but while I keep an eye on professional club soccer, its certainly “down my list” in terms of sports priorities. Football still means American football to me, of that I can assure you.
On the other hand, you cannot read about the history and context of some of the international soccer rivalries and not see in them the classic drama all sports fans respond to. With all due respect to FSU-Florida, Ohio State-Michigan, Yankees-BoSox, or any rivalry in this country, they PALE in comparison to the intensity of some of the most well-know soccer match-ups. They cross ethnic, racial and political lines that flat-out do not exist in this country (thankfully.)
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I enjoy international soccer.
I don’t have favorites but I also root for anyone other than Man U. And I hate Man U because their owner is also the Buc’s owner and is using the Bucs to pay for his Premiere League franchise. D bag.
I like the World Cup moreso than the Champions League, though.
"Trick is right."
You guys are killing me..
I just cannot see the appeal. I lived with 2 soccer players in college, and they drove me nucking futs
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you Randy.
Soccer can be directly correlated with the downfall of U S of A, FSU football, and a lot of other cherished treasures.
I mean, I lost the data for the study, but I promise, it was a really high R-square.
Wait, you're telling me soccer knocked down the towers and tanked our economy?
And made Toyota try and cover up 19 deaths (are you shi**in’ me, Toyota?!)? Those b******s.
"Trick is right."
UF beating UT should help our rpi score...regardless of how I feel about them winning anything.
And Jacksonville’s game tonight could also help our rpi score. But in the end we control our own destiny. Just win baby!!
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Yes...I found myself actually pulling for them last night It was.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
a strange, icky feeling
I quickly showered and dumped a bottle of rubbing alcohol on my head. I think I’ll be OK
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For shame.
Unless them winning directly puts us into a championship game, f ‘em. Even if they would’ve lost, we still controlled our own destiny.
"Trick is right."
Like in Ace Ventura
When he finds out Finkel=Einhorn.
Thats funny you say that...
Its exactly what I pictured after writing that
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bittersweet
I’m going to the game tonight with this girl I know from law school. We have 2nd row seats from an alumni she knows, but I have to wear a white shirt and I’m not allowed to cheer for FSU.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
well thats bs
any idea what year she is? I may be able to talk some sense into her by the end of the day
Spot
Im calling BS....
I own a UNC bball jersey and not an FSU one but you betta still be pulling for FSU. If she can openly pull for her team you can do. Tell her if she wont cheer for the Heel’s you might now openly cheer for your Noles..
"You play to WIN the GAME"
I’m definitely pulling for FSU but the alumni that gave us the tix doesn’t want to be shunned by other alumni for giving his tix to a non-UNC fan.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
Weak.
I was at the Music City Bowl where we had 13(?) contributors suspended and 10ish of them had started for us. I was in the upper deck in the corner endzone. It was literally 40 degrees and windy as hell. There were probably 60,000 UK fans to the 5,000 or so FSU fans. I was sitting in the UK student section. I cheered.
"Trick is right."
I was at that game...
There damn sure wasnt many Nole fans, thats for sure.
I flew in from Chicago for the game. I was happy to see 40 degree weather
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I drove down from Ohio where I was visiting friends and family on winter break from FSU.
My sister goes to UK so we thought it would be pretty cool. I would post a few other pics from the game (nothing extraordinary, mind you, just simple pics) but I don’t want to hijack the thread. The 2 guitar design our band formed at halftime. The kickoff we had where we STARTED in the endzone because of 2 fifteen yard penalties (both unsportsmanlike conduct, I think, 2 of 4 or 5 that game on us, idiots) and the ball was placed on the 7 1/2 yard line.
"Trick is right."
I was there for that game down in the endzone....
The best part of that game/experience was the destruction of the UK band during the battle of the bands….lol
"You play to WIN the GAME"
I was also there but unfortunately in the UK endzone..
drove down from Ohio with my brother. had bought two upper deck seats originally but scalped two endzone tickets from some guy just to come to realize when we got there it was the UK endzone (not that it mattered because it was literally 100:1 UK to FSU fans so every area was a UK area). But you if you replay the game…and if you look verrrryyyyy closely during extra point attempts you can see two knuckleheads wearing matching black FSU sweatshirts that our grandparents had gotten for us 6 days earlier for Xmas in a sea of blue jumping up and down giving high fives to each other….
i swear if i ever hear… “wwwwwwoooooooOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH…C-A-T-S CATS CATS CATS” ever again….lord help me
Definitely a sad chant.
But at least it’s not that one chant that nearly every other SEC school does but just inserts their school nickname at the end.
"Trick is right."
Thats real funny
The same thing happened to me when I went to visit my buddy at Duke for the game. He was like just wear the blue and you can sit with the cameron crazies. Once we got a few beers in us, we were like its not happening. We walked into pre game warmups all covered up and then showed the Garnet. About 10 minutes later we got kicked out for not being Duke students. Ended up getting $10 tickets outside right before tip off. Something about those Dukies I just dislike.
by DeanerNoleProphet on Feb 24, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions
I know UNC is having a down year
but anytime we have a shot to beat them that’s still $$$. I’m still worried about a possible let-down – our team has ripped my heart out on a few occasions. Maryland X 2 for instance!
Go Noles!!!
So any idea how many Noles attend this game?
I know we have a few going judging from the post. But I’m curious if we’ll hear the warchant like at the football game.
Fair amount
There were a fair amount at the football game this year outside of the FSU section. I would say garnet will be scattered here and there throughout the Dean dome. You better believe I’ll be blasting the warchant on my blackberry, but I somehow doubt my speakers are loud enough for you to hear it at home.
Spot
There is a good chance there will be more Noles in the house than usual.
UNC fans are the biggest bunch of candy- ass fans I’ve ever encountered. To quote Sam Cassell, they are a “wine and cheese” crowd no matter the sport. Add that to the fact that the UNC players have all but thrown in the towel and you get a lot of tickets being given away or sold to Noles. Here’s to hearing the warchant all night long.
Big Fan of Big Spear Diplomacy
Sammy
Do I really take the softball and go with “Cassell said that? He sure had some big ba…” Nah
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 24, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
they actually rearranged their seating the following year
more court-side student seating, and a larger band section and closer to the court
cassell did them a favor
Sam has a prezent for the Tarheels!
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Feb 24, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thats teh funniest thing ive seen in weeks
i can’t stop laughing…
It's an upset no matter who wins.
If we win, we “upset” Carolina in their house.
If we lose, Carolina “upsets” us, the better team.
"Trick is right."
UNC debuting Jordan uniforms
So on my way home from class I was listening to ESPN radio and they said UNC is coming out with new uniforms tonight. Words are cheap, just take a look.
Spot
Keep up the 3s and were dead
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
by RaysnNoles on Feb 24, 2010 7:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Singleton could've gone to the basket right there and taken his man easily...
Instead misses a 15 footer.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions
WOW...Nice Shot by Dulkys
I’m not so sure he had a good grip on that ball.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions
Long way to go.
Let’s just pray we avoid a patented FSU scoring drought.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to rag on Henson all night.
NO WAY he’s a McD AA. UNC and Duke players constantly given praise they don’t deserve.
"Trick is right."
Two defensive heavy teams.
And Dayton missed a ton of open shots. Dayton isn’t much of a 3 pt or jump shooting team, either. BUT, go Flyers!
"Trick is right."
Well, Dulkys found his shot a bit.
Bout time.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:20 PM EST reply actions
If we were shooting our typical 3 pt %
this would be a tie ball game
That was one of the ugliest shot attempts all around I've ever seen.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I cringe when I see people who think he should start over Kitchen
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
He's waaaaay up and down.
Some days he’s the perfect backup PG, and some days he’s a turnover/mistake machine.
I’ll say this, though. He IS improving, though. He’ll be fine.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
They both bring different things to the table
and seem to work well together
Derwin has found his free throw stroke lately..
keep it up DK
FSU is the better team...
keep the hammer down
I've been watching college basketball religiously since FSU joined the ACC
I’ve never seen a Carolina team this bad.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions
Who did he take over for, Doureghty?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
They weren't very good then...
But this team just looks uninspired, lost, and beaten.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
IF Alabi and Singleton stay,
I truly think we should be ACC favorites next year. Duke loses Scheyer and maybe Singler. UNC just sucks. Maryland loses Vasquez.
"Trick is right."
If those guys go, then I think Singleton/Alabi go.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Aminu is the most likely to stay IMO
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
He should
but I heard announcers/analysts saying last year he could enter the draft. So you know there are people in his ear telling him the same thing.
Yeah...GT and WF year in and year out are tough.
But if everyone stays, there’s not reason we can’t get to 12 or 13 wins in the ACC next year.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes I think you are very pessimistic
and then you come out with something like that and I get very confused.
Process > Results
Trick
I think you are realistic most of the time. Particularly if you are agreeing with me at that particular time.
Process > Results
I'm very realistic...
And I rarely speak in absolutes, unless I’ve got my shit together to back it up 100%.
I agree with you about Trick. Most definitely the hardest poster to figure out..
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I am pessimistic.
But I’m realistic. Ask Randy. Back when we were either 3-3 or 4-4 (I think 4-4) and coming off a loss to Duke or Maryland (I think Maryland), I said we should be favored in X # of games and if we won all those, we’d go 11-5. I also felt at that same moment in time we’d only go 8-8. lol
"Trick is right."
It's not so much pessimistic as it is extremely realistic with a dash of worst-case-scenario
I’m kinda the same way, except I don’t hold people to their stuff like trick does. If you say something stupid or vague, you better be prepared to back your stuff up.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nah man, you is who you is.
Takes all kinds. That’s what makes this place so great.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Doherty
And my mistake, the year BEFORE that is the year I’m thinking of. They went 8-20 (4-12). The following year they made the NIT. The next year Roy won an NC.
Doherty is an AWFUL coach. Absolutely horrendous.
"Trick is right."
Ha Ha! Trick...I was just looking at that.
I think we either love each other or hate each other because our minds are very alike.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like him either.
It’s fun to retaliate like I AM him, though.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ha ha! Yeah...
I love doing that stuff…if I knew more about the bullcrap he’s pulled, then I’m sure I could do much more…that was off the top of my head.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Taking WAY too many 3's...
need to start posting Alabi
Singleton made the right move there by passing up the 3
just has a hard time finishing off the dribble.
Yeah, gotta keep moving the ball around
We cannot keep tossing up 3’s. We’re already getting cold.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
We've already jacked 11 3's
on 20 shot attempts.. we will revert back to the mean at some point.. which means the hot streak is probably over.
Not if the "confidence" translates to other aspects of the offense.
As Singleton hits ANOTHER 3.
"Trick is right."
He shoots everytime he has the ball.
I am convinced that if someone passed it to him at mid court – he’d jack it.
Probably but if that would get him to try...
last game he hit that three and seemed much more active than usual. on both ends
Terrible shot by Singleton
Did he seriously put that up? Underhand from under the hoop?
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
Weak move IMO. He's too tall to have to rely on that.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand why he doesn't just go for the dunk
The chance that he makes it or gets fouled is much higher than that prayer going in.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 24, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Did we just score off of an OOB play???!!?!?!
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:31 PM EST reply actions
Nice to see Singleton passing up the jumper and attacking the hoop
if he can develop finishing at the rim off the dribble, sky’s the limit
Nice to see Singleton taking the jumper and passing up attacking the hoop
if he can develop making that shot, sky’s the limit
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
by tdchrisdavis on Feb 24, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Crap...Singleton hit a 3
What’s the over/under on how many he takes in the 2nd half?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:34 PM EST reply actions
beautiful penetration and assist by Derwin..
I’m ok with Singleton taking that 3
Singleton made a FT too!
Someone check the temperature in hell
Is anyone else wondering if the light bulb has FINALLY come on for this team?
Or is UNC just that bad….
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:36 PM EST reply actions
I mean, we beat the hell outta UVA who was dawg ass tired,
Now we have a double digit lead on UNC…
But I still don’t feel any different about this team.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
And until the 2nd half we were neck and neck with BC AT HOME.
We have faced a poor team, a poor, tired team, and a very poor team, consecutively.
Props to winning them all so far (and playing very well OFFENSIVELY tonight) and holding the past two under 50, because any ACC game is a battle. But all 3 were “should-wins”.
"Trick is right."
I am pleased to see us taking it to the ACC's garbage teams
That’s what you gotta do. Especially on the road. There are no easy ACC games.
UNC just left XMan wide ass open under the bucket
And Loucks never saw him.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions
I dunno...He was redheaded w/ freckles...
The Sherminator has GOT to be older than that kid was, right? When did American Pie come out?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think it was him.
The first 1 couldn’t have come out later than 2001
How do you post a picture?
I don’t think TC or FSUn are here to yell at me.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think you click the little tree in your reply/post box
and then paste the url into that box.
Press "reply". Click the box with the tree next to the chain link by the quotation mark, to the side of the strike, italic and bold buttons...
lol
"Trick is right."
Ha!
So THAT’s what that damn tree is for!
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
What's the score?
I seriously have no clue. Last I honestly recall is 43-27 and I know that ain’t right.
"Trick is right."
BC 33 VT 20
3:30 to go in 1st half. Go Eagles!
Yuuuuup.
Trick, did you ever get an answer from the guy the other day that would rather us be a 5 than a 3 or 4?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Let Dulkys shoot all night long...
Let him get as comfy as possible.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:42 PM EST reply actions
Oh wow
i am watching on espn360 and the feed it like 2mins slow
"You play to WIN the GAME"
so whats the deal with solomon is he not playing at all?
"You play to WIN the GAME"
oh i couldnt get the game on untill 10 mins left...
now im really pissed both our bigs have 2 and gibson has 3
"You play to WIN the GAME"
Right. I've heard the announcers say he's the "key" or "centerpiece to our offense" multiple times...
Morons.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
He's right about it, defensively.
Just watch when he’s on the bench. UNC is shooting 52% with him out for a good portion… might break our sub-50 streak, in fact.
Depends on how you look at it. He definitely gets his share of attention, which opens up other players. Certainly he’s key on defense but probably not as much on offense.
I think of a key as someone you can't do without.
Singleton and Kitchen are the only two I can think of. Maybe even Reid because he’s Mr. MoFuggin’ Glue.
"Trick is right."
Agreed but if one player is allowing others to score like that then you’d have to consider them a key contributor. I don’t think that’s happening here so my argument is more semantics than anything. I would agree that Reid is having a fantastic year and any attention paid attention to him is bonus but our PGs is probably what’s making this team go right now.
UNC is taking a lot of midrange jumpers since we are in a 2-3. That puts them just outside the range of our shot blockers. However, we are still active in the passing lanes. Teams have lately had a better 1st half than 2nd half against us but that’s likely due to their tiredness. I expect the game to get closer because of our hot 3 point shooting but we should still win.
Texas scored 54 in the first half vs. UNC earlier this year.
That was the game played at Cowboys Stadium
next closest this year to 50 at the half against UNC was MD, who scored 44 in the 1st in College Park
Poor Defense...
UNC scored the third highest point total of the year against UT. Only Gardner Webb and Marshal gave up more points to UNC.
Dulkys 14 pts in 10 minutes
not too shabby. that is all.
D$#% is that Singleton or did Kevin Durant suit up for us tonight?
Okay…still needs to work on that mid-range game but gotta love ‘Dead-eye’ Dulkys Alabi…sheesh whats with him lately?
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Russia's top line of
Malkin Ovie and Semin is filthy..the rest of the team leaves a little to be desired….
"You play to WIN the GAME"
bad luck or an off night...
broduer gave up 5 to the americans and miller stone colded the canucks…
"You play to WIN the GAME"
Who set our basket to Carolina gravity
I can’t believe the shooting – hopefully they’ll keep it up in the 2nd half. Carolina can score, but they look lost on several aspects of the game. I hope we turn up the defensive intensity in the 2nd half.
by CelticPride on Feb 24, 2010 8:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Rebound of the year by Singleton right there...
That was freaking awesome.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions
BUUUULLLL SHIIIIITTTTTT
Foul on Alabi. Just because guy wearing a UNC jersey player misses 2 well defended buckets doesnt warrant a foul call.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:07 PM EST reply actions
Trick, did you ever get an answer from that poster who believed that a 5 seed in the ACCT?
over us getting a 3 or 4 seed?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions
I forget where it was,
but I think he was talking about it being better if we wanted to make a run in the ACCT. If that’s not what he meant then I still don’t understand what he was saying. But a top 4 seed GUARANTEES an NCAAT bid and I’d take that over a “shot” at winning the ACCT.
"Trick is right."
Right. I didn't remember the context, but he would rather have played 2 in a row, than gotten a bye
Something about not matching up well with VT/Clem.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Dear God, Chris Singleton is a scary man.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions
If he finishes the year out strong I think he may jump.
Kind of like Alexander Johnson.
"Trick is right."
Love to see Shannon get minutes
he’s gonna be a beast on the boards
It doesn't matter, Rays.
Beating the hell out of UNC is just one of those warm, fuzzy feelings.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
kentucky is young as hell too.....
youth doesnt equal bad anymore….
"You play to WIN the GAME"
Kentucky is good, but they're scraping by in the SEC
I expect someone to knock them off in the NCAAT.
I will say that Demarcus Cousins is going to be a very, very good NBA player. His fundies as a freshman are just phenomenal.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thats a tough pill to swallow considering what they lost
What goes into those rankings?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Yes
Experience: Uses eligibility class weighted by minutes played. A freshman has no years experience, a sophomore has one year experience, etc.
Thompson, Davis, Ginyard, Graves.
Granted one is injured. We have like 8 FR and SO on our team.
"Trick is right."
We're going Sweet 16 and Singleton goes NBA lottery.
Beginning of the year — Is the above, or FSU beating UNC on home floor by 20 more outlandish?
Beating UNC by 20, definitely.
The former could still happen.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
are you watching? i dont have a tv to watch
ie are you watching a stream and thus where it is..
"You play to WIN the GAME"
I am watching it on CNBC, but
http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/live-full-replays.html
is where you can find it online
but still a freshman
and cousins and bledsoe are nasty too….
"You play to WIN the GAME"
John Wall Lost The NC State High School Championship As A Senior
on a top of the key jump shot by….Ian F Miller!
College, of course.
And yes, Tyreke is the man…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
It’s awful close…Wall is amazing, though. His court vision is just nuts.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
In college
I think Wall. Seems more aggressive at this point.
I'd put him last.
But I’m not looking at any stats so I could change my mind if I saw some.
"Trick is right."
But young teams full of 5* and McD AA's should be playing MUCH better. Plain and simple.
"Trick is right."
Agreed.
As FSU fans, we are well aware with being “young”, but these were supposedly the best HS players in the country.
I dunno, maybe it’s a testament to the ACC. If the conference was “down”, you’d figure UNC would get a couple of wins based on their playmakers/talent…that’s clearly not the case.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
BC47- VaTech 33
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Dude I get your point
But how many of those teams bring in a “top 5 recruiting class”. UNC brings in multiple mcd all americans EVERY YEAR. I am simply stating the FACT that youth does not equal sucks for everyone. Big schools can bring in absurdly talented freshman that make a difference. How old was Syracuse when Melo took them for a ride….etc
"You play to WIN the GAME"
They had a minimal chance at winning that game.
They MUST win their final 2 games at home and a game in the A 10 Tourney if they want to dance. Their final 2 home games are against scrubs but they’ve got a road game at Richmond that could lock them up. But they WILL lose that game. Horrible, horrible road team. They’re like .750 in A 10 home games the past 7 years or so under coach Gregory, but only like .375 in road games.
"Trick is right."
Aaaaaand ESPN finds a way to mention UF.
In an ACC basketball game. $10 says the word “Tebow” is mentioned at some point
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions
Impressed with Shannon's hustle tonight, guys.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:18 PM EST reply actions
We're racking up the PFs though
ACC refs trying to keep the conference hegemon from being completely embarrassed at their shrine
Wow, he just held the ball HIGH there as to avoid the "swarm" defense. NEVER seen him do that before.
"Trick is right."
Unbelievable. You mean that when you're 7'1 and you hold the ball above your head...
it makes it harder for the shorter guys to grab it out of you hands?!?!?!
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Crap, he failed to do it just there when he got fouled.
Bad feet, imo, stone hands keeps the ball low. Otherwise a terrific player.
"Trick is right."
Agreed
Definitely a bit overhyped, though. I know we agree on that.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
He really didn't improve at all from last year (aside from FT%, so I guess he improved some).
"Trick is right."
Yeah...I don't expect him to improve
Until he gets someone who can coach him up offensively.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Derwin adding to the cause
Once again, a GROUP effort. By far the most encrouaging thing about our play recently!
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:28 PM EST reply actions
That goes against the claims that Ham's only offense is givingthe ball to a single playmaker
3 games in a row is little evidense though
Process > Results
3 games in a row is better than no games in a row.
If nothing else, maybe it will show these guys that good things happen when you share
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I saw some early games where we shared too much
good to see we have found a happy medium
Process > Results
Agreed
Inside-Outside basketball. People moving around. I feel like we are a Big East team all of a sudden.
Agreed.
Like the way we are working Alabi in the 2nd half. Work big man, work!
UNC 12 minutes 4 points?
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Where do you get 12 minutes?
Only 11 have elapsed this half and they’ve scored 10 this half.
"Trick is right."
Just adding to what the commentator said guess he was adding minutes from the first.
“10 minutes 2 points” was what he said
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
I dunno was at the twelve minute to go mark
and theyu scored 2 more before the ten minute mark.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
It's been 10 years since we've won at UNC?!?!?!
Is that right?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:33 PM EST reply actions
Man...The years fly by...
However, I did have the pleasure of watching us beat Duke in Tally a couple years back…That was fun.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think we did it later than that...
Maybe it was that long ago…I coulda still been in skool.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think somehow we won 3 of 4 during the Robinson era, so it could have been later also
beating Duke back then was CRAZY
Process > Results
you cannot compare anyone on unc team to carmelo or john wall….there are 5* freshman and then there are FIVE STAR future NBA baller freshman…still FSU is doing what they need to do and should play like this every game
A 5* and four 4* in their FR class. Not to mention
A 5* and two 4* in their SO class.
No excuses to be this bad. None.
"Trick is right."
Well to start with
UNC’s best player is on the bench with an injury in Ed Davis. And you don’t seem to accept that point that it IS possible to be young and good. I understand for every UK this year there are 200 young teams that get punished for being young. I just think its pointless to say a top 10 program is only bad because they are young….
"You play to WIN the GAME"
We're just in another league athletically than UNC.
I know that half these guys were McD’s AA, but our guys are just grown ass men.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:36 PM EST reply actions
He needs to introduce himself to the S&C coach of their football team
and hope they have a nutritionist
Yea, maybe he should learn to eat constantly.
At this point ANY weight is good weight.
"Trick is right."
He did win the skills challenge
at the McD’s tourney.. his problem is that he was used to playing as a guard and now has to line up on ryan reid, The kid can do a hell of a lot on the outside but has no inside game
"You play to WIN the GAME"
How good is good?
I guess I’m simply saying he will fail to meet his hype/expectations.
"Trick is right."
Kinda like the verbal-to-UF-and-get-a-star-added-to-your-rating phenomenon?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Urban Meyer, dude.
He’s a doosh, but a damn good coach
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Considering they're about to have 6+ guys
in the first two rounds of the draft, seems like they’re pretty talented as well.
Nah, they recruit well.
So do Duke and UNC, but a lot of those guys are overrated for them, albeit solid players.
"Trick is right."
42% safe
If anyone cares about this stat anymore
Singleton
“Is a terrific defensive player, and on occasion he finds a nut offensively”
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 24, 2010 8:44 PM EST reply actions
all right who's bright idea was it to play conservative and slow the pace?
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME THAT WAS A CHARGE!!!
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
damn
has nabakov been pulled yet?
"You play to WIN the GAME"
They're going to snap our double-digit win streak.
I was curious to see when the last back-to-back-to-back 10+ occurred in the ACC for us.
On the road no less...
Guaranteed .500 – let’s stay hungry
by CelticPride on Feb 24, 2010 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sucks for unc
when you suck at football annnnnd basketball
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Feb 24, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
We need I believe at least 2 of the last 3 to be a solid -in- selection
commitee has a history of not liking us.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
they mention we were 3-6 against the top 50...didn't mention the greatest part were
road losses
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
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