Preview and Game Thread: Clemson Tigers vs Florida State Seminoles, 5:30pm EST
by TrueCubbie on Feb 28, 2010 8:30 AM EST
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Clemson Tigers at Florida St. Seminoles, Feb 28, 2010 5:30 PM EST
The Seminoles have a busy week. Tonight is the first of three games that Florida State will play in three weeks. Where Florida State ends up in the conference standings is entirely in their control. Win two of the next three games and Florida State will finish with a 10-6 record and is guaranteed to be no less than 5th seed in the ACC. With wins over Clemson and Wake Forest, Florida State will finish third in the conference. A win over Clemson is important for a variety of reasons: split the season series, keep Clemson out of the running for third, it looks good on the tournament resume. Florida State look to defend home court tonight against the Clemson Tigers and move to 9-5 in the ACC.
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Game Time: 5:30pm EST
Opponent's Site: Shaking the Southland
Television: FSN
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
The last time that the Seminoles and Tigers matched up, Florida State had difficulty getting any shot to fall. In the first half, they shot a terrible 25% from the floor. Unfortunately, it only got marginally better in the second half, resulting in a 37.9% FG% for the game. Despite their troubles from the floor, the Seminoles only lost by ten points on the road. They were down by as much as 15 in the second half and kept fighting to get back in the game. Since that game, Florida State has won three games, holding their opponents to an average of 54.4 points per game. Here was the Four Factors Summary of the last match up:
Don't expect it to look like this tonight. The defense has been playing at an elite level since the second half of the Boston College game.
After the Florida State game, Clemson has gone 2-1, with wins over Miami and Virginia, both of those games were at Little John Stadium. On February 24th, they traveled to College Park and lost to Maryland 88-79. The Tigers played a good game that night but ran into a buzz saw in Maryland. The Terrapins had an eFG% of 61% that night. Hard to beat anyone that shoots that well on a given night.
Clemson currently sits at 17 in the Pomeroy rankings, two spots behind the Seminoles. They have an offensive rating of 110.0 (54th in the nation) and a defensive efficiency of 87.1 (12th in the nation). The Tigers are still playing their pressure man to man defense, trapping as much as possible, trying to push the pace. The higher the pace, the better the defense gets, meaning they are forcing turnovers and getting out in transition. Currently, Clemson is forcing turnovers on 24.8% of their opponents possessions, ranking 9th in the nation. However, they are still prone to turnovers as well, turning the ball over on 21% of possessions. 11.1% of their possessions result in steals. This plays directly into the hands of the Seminoles who will be looking to slow the pace, force turnovers and get Clemson into a half court game.
Lineups:
Clemson
F #15 David Potter 6'6 215lbs Senior 7.1 ppg, 2.7 rpg
F #35 Trevor Booker 6'7 240lbs Senior 15.3 ppg, 8.3 rpg
F #45 Jerai Grant 6'8 220lbs Junior 7.1 ppg, 4.7 rpg
G #2 Demontez Stitt 6'2 175lbs Junior 10.8 ppg, 3.3 apg
G #5 Tanner Smith 6'5 220lbs Sophomore 9.1 ppg, 2.4 apg
Florida State
F #31 Chris Singleton 6'9 227lbs Sophomore 11.0 ppg, 7.5 rpg
F #42 Ryan Reid 6'8 237lbs Senior 7.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg
C #32 Solomon Alabi 7'1 251lbs Sophomore 12.0 ppg, 2.4 bpg
G #21 Michael Snaer 6'5 200lbs Freshman 8.9 ppg, 2.5 rpg
G #22 Derwin Kitchen 6'4 198lbs Junior 8.8 ppg, 4.0 apg
This is the same lineup that the Tigers played against the Seminoles in the last matchup. In that game, David Potter led the way with 19 points, going 4-5 from beyond the arc. Trevor Booker had 13 points in 27 minutes with only four rebounds. Andre Young came off the bench, scoring 19 points, going 3-7 from beyond the arc. As you can see, Clemson burned the Seminoles from beyond the arc.
Once again, the Seminoles will start Freshman Michael Snaer. There is no reason that he should not be in the starting lineup at this point. He has been playing outstanding defense and is contributing nicely on offense. Deividas Dulkys appears to be coming out of his shooting slump.
Even with his recent improvement, he makes a more significant impact coming off the bench rather than starting. It's a nice change of pace when Loucks and Dulkys coming off the bench. Xavier Gibson has also been playing better as of late, showing good concentration and running the floor well in transition. He is also showing his athleticism on a regular basis with his baseline move that he has shown in the last few games.
Four Factors Evaluation:
Keys to the Game:
1. Frustrate Clemson. Florida State needs to continue demonstrate its defensive presence. The North Carolina game was outstanding. The Seminoles showed a variety of different looks, including a number of different zones. Force Clemson out of their comfort zone and play half court basketball.
2. Dominate the Front Court. Alabi, Singleton, Reid, Gibson need to have a good game as a unit. In the past few games, Singleton has really played well, limiting his turnovers. The Seminoles need to prevent the easy putbacks for Clemson. Don't allow the Tigers to hang around because of cheap points. Make them earn it.
3. Protect the Ball. Be patient against the trap. The Seminoles have significantly improved their ability to break the press and have decreased their turnovers in the last few games. Keep that pattern going.
4. Absorb the First Few Punches. Clemson needs this game, badly, to stay in the ACC race. Winning the game gives Clemson the tie breaker with the Noles for the season. They are going to come out swinging and try to get Florida State out of its comfort zone. The Seminoles need to settle in early, weather the storm, and get not get into foul trouble or frustrated early.
Prediction: Florida State 68 Clemson 61
Game Time: 5:30pm EST
Opponent's Site: Shakin The Southland
Television: FSN
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
As it is getting close to Tournament time, it's time to start talking tournament resumes. Below is a break down of the Seminoles' schedule. There are some very nice numbers here and some that aren't quite as helpful. The Noles are currently in a good position to make the tournament. This simply serves as a reference for conversation with your friends who might not believe the Seminoles' success.
W-L Splits
| Split | W-L | W-L Pct |
|---|---|---|
| Home | 12-2 | 85.7% |
| Away | 5-5 | 50.0% |
| Neutral | 3-0 | 100.0% |
| Conference | 8-5 | 61.5% |
| Conf Home | 4-2 | 66.7% |
| Conf Away | 4-3 | 57.1% |
| Conf Neutral | 0-0 | - |
| Top 25 | 2-2 | 50.0% |
| RPI 1-50 | 2-2 | 50.0% |
| RPI 51-100 | 11-2 | 84.6% |
| RPI 101-150 | 0-2 | 0.0% |
| RPI 151-200 | 0-1 | 0.0% |
| RPI 200+ | 5-0 | 100.0% |
| OT | 1-0 | 100.0% |
| Close | 6-1 | 85.7% |
| Blowout | 7-0 | 100.0% |
Random Fact From Seminoles.com
FLORIDA STATE IN THE ACC / LAST 5 YEARS
Florida State is tied as the third winningest team in the ACC (in ACC regular season and tournament games) since the beginning of the 2005-06 season. The Seminoles have won at least seven ACC games in each of the last five seasons, at least eight games three times (including this season) and at least nine games twice (including 10 during the 2008-09 season).
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Lets Rock The Civic Center Today!
This is a huge game for both teams…let’s give Ham and the boys a real home court advantage. There will be walk-up tickets available…and please, no excuses from the student boy…
Why the hell does everyone call the students out?
They usually do a pretty good job of filling their seating. Go a section over on either side of the student section and it usually gets a little more sparse. I expect a good and loud crowd regardless today.
"Trick is right."
They show up, which is good
but the majority of them just sit the whole time and golf clap. We need noise.
you're fighting a culture of non-expectation
It’s going to take consistent NCAA tourney appearances to help change it.
Although, in general, we are pretty shitty as a football culture, members of this community notwithstanding.
agreed here too. I love my school, but I've been to Ohio State games at the
Horseshoe. To call a spade a spade, there is no comparison.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
you'd think the fact that the TLCCC sells beer would fire them up
but no luck there either. I don’t get it. Pretty soon we’ll graduate and have to sit with the old folks (no offense to anyone on here) where standing up and yelling the entire time with your face painted is frowned upon. Then they’ll look over at the student section having fun thinking to themselves “oh to be young again”. Live it up man.
I never bought a single beer at a basketball game.
You can get a 12 pack for $6.50, why waste it on one, you know? There’s no way they have to sell it that highly priced to make a profit. Knock it down to $4 and you might have something going.
"Trick is right."
I don't mind paying $6.50 for a beer, when I can use it to wash down the Jack Daniels in the flask that is taped to my leg...
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well let me know if Team USA pulls a miracle and beats Canada.
I switched over to Perdue/Sparty.
"Trick is right."
In ACC games?
While our fans certainly aren’t the best, it’s far from the poor it’s being made out to be.
"Trick is right."
True
but it could be much better. I’m pulling a Jimbo, “you don’t have to be sick to get better”
I agree with you there.
I’m just saying our students aren’t nearly as bad as they’re being portrayed.
"Trick is right."
With a win FSU is sole possession of 3rd place in the ACC standings
A loss drops us back into a 3 way tie.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/conferences/standings?confId=2
Currently a half game lead. Maryland beat Va Tech last night.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
errr 4 way tie with a loss
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
Three games in one week
Maybe three plus games in consecutive weeks
Maybe followed by three straight two game weeks :)
Ha ha!!!
I thought maybe the acc voted last nite to extend the season by 2 weeks. I got excited…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 11:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I feel deja vu.
February 24, 2009: FSU 21-7, 8-5 in the ACC with an upcoming home game against Clemson on February 28.
February 24, 2010: FSU 20-7, 8-5 in the ACC with an upcoming home game against Clemson on February 28.
If you don’t remember, 2009 Noles beat Clemson in the February 28 Bowl, 73-66. Hence, by my calculations, the prediction for today is: USA 5, Canada 4.
GO NOLES!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
This game is huge imo. Beat Klempsun!!!
This for sure locks our Dancing bid. Helps our seed. We need to pay Klempsun back for beating us up pretty good earlier this year. We’ll basically have the #3 seed in the ACC on lock with a bye in the ACC tourney too with a win. Go Noles!
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
LETS DO THIS!
Let’s get some respect today. Tough defense and efficient offense. LETS GO!
by DeanerNoleProphet on Feb 28, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions
3 games to go
Win out and we get 3rd place in the ACC. No excuses. Let’s get it done today.
Go Noles and USA hockey!!
by FtLauderdaleNole on Feb 28, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions
Assuming we win out?
Currently projected as an 8 seed by an averaging of 67 mock brackets. If we go 2-1 down the stretch, we’d tack on at least one addition top 50 win (maybe a 2nd if Marquette improves just a handful of spots). If we aren’t at least a 7 seed with a 10-6 conference record and at least 4 top 50 wins, a top 30/35 RPI and top 50 SOS, we got hosed.
"Trick is right."
Totally agree. Win out and we're a six seed. Go 1-2 we're a ten seed. Was making a broad guess about where we could sit.
www.Tomahawknation.com
Win out and finish 11-5
and make a serious run in the ACC tourney wouldn’t get us a #5 seed??
by FtLauderdaleNole on Feb 28, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
If we made the Finals, yes.
Not sure if I’d prefer a 5 or 6, to be honest. I’d be very happy with either at this point, though.
"Trick is right."
No marquee wins
GT 2x, CU, & Wake mean more to us than they will to the selection cmmte. The closest to a marquee win is GT up there and it’s looking like they won’t even make the tourney unless they get busy in these last few games. beat UM in the tourney would help some but they’re, shamefully, still not ranked. You would have to think they’ll be ranked in the new polls tomorrow, but who knows?
Any top 50 win is a very good win.
If we beat Clemson and Wake Forest, that’d be 5 probable top 50 wins (Georgia Tech twice, Clemson, Wake Forest, Marquette) and all are projected as NCAAT teams. Only way the ACC doesn’t get at least 6 teams is if there are multiple conference tourney upsets.
"Trick is right."
i assume you're implying
GT is a lock. I disagree. They drop their last 2 to CU there & VT at home and they’re 18-12, 7-9 and have gone 2-5 over their last 7. They’ve gotten huge mileage out of their Duke win, but other than that, their resume isn’t real impressive
BTW I was responding to why it will be very difficult for us to get a 5 seed, not into the tourney
GT could very easily lose those games, but the thing to consider
is it really all that important? If we’re splitting hairs over our record against against a mediocre GT team that may or may not be a couple notches above/below top 50, then I really don’t care what seed we get.
So we’re looking at the difference between a 4 and a 5? 5 and a 6?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree w/ you 100%
I was just responding to the other guy who seemed incredulous that there was any way we would not get a 5 seed if we won out and made a tourney run
3 top 30 wins. Top 25 SOS. Top 50 RPI.
How many bubble teams are better than that?
"Trick is right."
Who are you referring to, trick?
What team?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
GT. I'm saying they are a lock.
Those would be their numbers even if they lose out. And the committee isn’t taking into account the last 10/12 games anymore.
"Trick is right."
Who is their 3rd top 30 win?
Outside of Duke and Clemson?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Siena at 30 and wake at 28
CU has fallen to 38
My bad, looking at old poll.
Wake at 28?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Jeezus, Trick, I was just noticing that as you commented
Seriously, I was thinking “why the hell is it so hard for these assholes to type out the entire school name”
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Also, if GT drops the last 2,
That top 50 RPI could be in danger, depending on how bad we hammer Clemson tonight.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Just saying we win, it hurts GT’s RPI a bit more.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
At this point in the yr
us winning doesn’t change either our, CU’s, or GT’s RPI much b/c we’re all in the same neighborhood (Rpi neighborhood not necessarily geographically)
It won't change it MUCH,
but I thought we were bored enough to be splitting hairs about GT’s body of work? 2 more losses would put them close to that 50 mark, no?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think GT
loses to CU and VT they inch toward 40, but are probably barely on the good side
I knew you were gonna bring up
the “whole body of work and not how you finish” emphasis:). I still think the cmmte is human and no one thinks we’re (the ACC) any good this yr. So let’s say Notre Dame, who plays in the big, bad Big East, keeps winning w/o their star and GT keeps struggling. Even though GT is still gonna have the better argument by the numbers, I don’t trust them to not go w/ feel good Notre Dame. They can always justify it with, “Yeh, but they play in the BE”.
But then I’m a cynic by nature.
Totally, 100%
reasonable point of view.
However, I’ve tried to keep the whole “conference strength as a whole” thought outta my head when I watch these games.
Big East teams just LOOK better than we do (except defensively). Fluid offenses, complete coaching, players making smart decisions, talent out the bunghole…
Makes me jealous.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree the BE
is the best conference but I think it’s gone too far and has taken on a life of it’s own now. Akin to SEC football. People forget that the BE has some awful bottom dwellers, in my honest opinion, worse than UNC, NCSt and Miami for us. They also play a very unbalanced schedule b/c of their sheer numbers. But the common perception is that every BE game is this titanic battle. They have a couple of those every week but they also have easy wins over overmatched teams that no one pays attention to.
Right
A.) I don’t see how the hell they schedule evenly when you have 34 teams in your conference.
2.) I’m usually only watching the ESPN/ESPN2/FOXSPORTS/ESPN360 stuff, so it’s usually the top 8-10 teams
D) Even if you broke it down into percentages, I still think they have a higher percentage of better teams.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
List which teams you call good from each conference.
I’ll do the percentages. They’ll likely now get 8 out of 16 since UL beat UConn today. Doubt ND works its way in. We likely get 7 of 12 at this point.
"Trick is right."
Cutting of at ND
We’ll split the conference in half…IMO, their top 50% is much, much better than our 50%, independent of who gets in the tourney.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, looking at KenPom
You can find an ACC team for every BE team in the top 30 or so…Guess I’m not immune to the Big east bias after all!
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Pomeroy
has a huge favorable ACC bias. I prefer to think that it’s b/c he uses more objective criteria than the other systems, but to be honest with myself, I’m not so sure
I tell myself that he's as objective as it gets
But I tend to agree with you a little bit.
…the fact that TC and FSUn love him so much should be clue #1!
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
The important thing
is that the selection cmmte, unfortunately, doesn’t use Ken, so we’ll be sitting in the 30s or hopefully edge into the high 20s and not at 10-15 for them
He's just one of the only sabre guys out there for college basketball.
If there were others, people would use them.
"Trick is right."
who does the selection cmmte use?
and when does that come out?
The Selection committee uses the following
A) A combo of ESPN/USA and AP polls.
2) Joe Lunardi’s twitter
D) Official NCAA RPI
IV) The Digger Phelps guide to selecting NCAA tourney teams
Green) They have an expert who transcribes everything Dick Vitale says in his sleep.
Omega) Seth Davis’s mom.
Magenta) They ask Charles Barkley what he thinks.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think it depends
on your point earlier. How high RPI mid majors do in their conference tourneys
Very true.
Out of the 7, I think VT is the most vulnerable. No ooc schedule. Weak ACC schedule.
"Trick is right."
And how many teams like Georgia come outta nowhere
and with the conference tourneys
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, I fully expect UGA to win the SEC
Iowa to win the Big 10, Oklahoma State to win the Big 12, and Arizona State to win the PAC 10.
4 spots, POOF! Gone.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, I mean Washington State...
Zona State is probably already in.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I said probably
But currently they are 2nd in the Pac 10, and as bad as that conference is, they could easily make a tourney run, or even win it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to say.
Especially if Cal wins that thing.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone on the bubble
should be pulling hard for Cal to win their conference tourney
Ha Ha! Great minds think alike
Unfortunately, this system isn’t perfect. And I think that the committee sometimes has a minimum number from each conference, and an limit on their deviation from that number.
If Cal wins the tourney, that gives the Pac 10 how many bids?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well
the straight numbers would say only Cal. But I agree w/ you that the cmmte gives the PAC10 at least one more, if not 2
Yeah...damn shame, too
Hence my ‘probably’ qualifier.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I just think AZ State needs to get to their semis to make the Dance.
I also think the Pac 10 will get at least 2 in even if they don’t “deserve” 2. A few more wins and I wouldn’t really care that the Sun Devils got in.
"Trick is right."
Gotcha.
Go 1-2 and I’m pretty disappointed in this team, especially since 2 of the games are at home and the 3rd is against the worst team in the conference, and I think we usually have a decent fan presence in Coral Gables.
"Trick is right."
A 1-2 finish would be like the wheels coming off the bus at the end of the year.
Defense is playing too well not to be in a position to win at least two of these games, particularly with two home games.
Both home games are really important, but thankfully Wake and Clemson still have the chance to beat each other up after they play us. Wake finishes with us then Clemson. Clemson has GTech then Wake after tonight. We need to win one of these two games.
However, if we end in a tie with Clemson, even if we split the season series, they get the edge over us. FSU and Clemson have both lost every game to Duke. So, the next tie break is each team’s record against Maryland, they are 1-1 and we’re 0-2. This would only matter if we were in a two way tie with Clemson. If you add a third team, the Maryland wins don’t matter, but the head to head does matter.
Best situation, we get in a three way tie with VTech and Wake, with Clemson a game behind as a result of a loss to Wake. In that scenario, I would rather lose to Clemson and beat Wake. Obviously, I want to win both games. Makes it a lot easier.
www.Tomahawknation.com
Yeah, I'm not too concerned about the tiebreaks if we go 1-2.
If we do that, whatever happens happens. Like last year when we lost to BC late in the year, taking our destiny out of our own hands.
"Trick is right."
How can you be disappointed?
You stated there was no way we could be a tourney team if we lost to NCST. It’s pretty clear our odds are good at this point, so aren’t you pleased they’ve outperformed your expectations?
Never trust the NCAA Tourney Staffers
I was totally shocked that we were not a 4-seed last year, and with the way our league teams are struggling down the home stretch it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the NCAA deminishes our ACC profile.
FSU 69 UC 63
Do it, to it Dulkys!!!
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 28, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Marquette wins at Seton Hall today.
Knocks SHU off the bubble for good most likely. Bumps MU’s RPI up to #51. They finish with home games against UL and ND. A great chance to lock up a top 50 RPI and knock 2 other bubble teams out (I think we’re in, so I’m not worried about the bubble, I just hate BE teams getting in, I actually like MU a little, though).
"Trick is right."
Excellent call about Dulkys & Loucks having chemistry off the bench
I’ve been very satisfied with them in this role. Kitchen/Snaer definitely gives you a better inside/slashing presence, so it’s a nice changeup to have Dulkys roll out of a screen for an open look against a zone D.
Having said that, I think tonight’s game will feature us with a 3 guard look not too deep into the game if they trap well. Otherwise, we’ll need to Derwin to try to outrun their entire team.
I agree with you there both on Dulkys/Loucks and the possibility of an early three-guard look.
On the other hand, I also have my usual fear that Singleton will continue his love affair with the three-point attempt, but this time they will revert to not falling. I don’t know if our offense has gotten good enough over the past 3 games to start wasting possessions again.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
As I am sure everyone is aware, #1 Kansas and #2 Kentucky lost yesterday, while #3
Syracuse blasted Villanova at home last night. Assuming #4 Purdue beat Michigan St at home, who’s the new #1 on Monday?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
my money's on (figuratively) MSU
in that game. Losing Hummel is a huge blow to Purdue. Almost as big as OSU losing Turner for awhile there.
I think they'll do fine.
It’s a home game and Purdue is damn talented. Pulled a rabbit out of their hat without him at Minnesota while they were down late. They can do it again.
"Trick is right."
I hated to see that, by the way.
I know thats the game, but its borderline unfair…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you know, I may be in the minority here, but I think if I were a pollster, I stick with KU at
#1, Cuse #2.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
If we win out...
Can we forfiet our first acct game? I seriously dont wanna be a 5 seed…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 3:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What difference is there between facing a 1 seed in the Sweet Sixteen or a 2 seed?
There hasn’t been a clear #1 all year. There really that much difference between #1 and #8 this year?
"Trick is right."
I don't give a crap who the teams are
There’s bad juju on that 5/12 matchup. We could be playing Lipscomb for all I care.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
You should buy it.
The 5 seed has about a 7 or 8% better chance of winning than trending implies they should.
Couple that with our complete lack of consistency, and I want NONE of that.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
But historically they don't play well enough to win in 7 to 8% more games than they should
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, maybe (I'm not really sure).
I’m just saying I wouldn’t be scared of the 5/12 thing if we were a 5.
"Trick is right."
It's because the last at large teams in are usually 12 seeds
and since the committee uses such a ridiculous measure as RPI those teams are usually quite a bit better than some of the RPI miracle workers who get in with smart scheduling.
So, according to your theory
We’re a 5. We get matched up with a good at large team, ergo, tougher draw for FSU, right?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not "scared" of it.
I would just rather be a 4 or 6, if I could.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I can't remember what I googled to find the original stat.
I wanna say that the 4/11 matchup falls in line with the expected winning percentages (i.e. 1 seed = 100+, so forth and so on). The 5 seeds winning percentage was 7 to 8% lower than what it "should’ be.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's a little bit to it
11 and 12 seeds tend to be schools from the big conferences that have underachieved but made a late season run. So the talent is there and they are on a roll.
In relevant news, USA scores...2-1 w/ about 8:30 to go in 2nd.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions
Don't know. It's on mute.
I hate Hockey commentary.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Gents
have enjoyed the discussion/debate. since I can’t type and watch TV at the same time I am out until, hopefully, a joyous later
USA SCORES!
2-2 with about a minute to go…
Good God…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:29 PM EST reply actions
ACC defensive player of the year
Alabi or Singleton?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:44 PM EST reply actions
I'm definitely no less proud of those guys had they had won.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Great Olympics for them.
And that medal, I think, sets a new Winter Olympic total medal record.
"Trick is right."
Medals in the Winter Olympics
Ranks pretty high on my “Things I could care less about” meter.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
too bad. great hockey. I was rubbernecking between my computer for the hockey and my
tv for the noles. On the thread now. Go Noles!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
part of me is happy for our bros up north. I dont think that nation could have taken
losing to the USA
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I kinda agree...
If the US had won that, those idiots may have torn Vancouver apart.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
on to more important stuff!
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why would we go away from x in the post?
snear getting ahead of himself
Got sucked in...he made up for it though.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Sucked in by what?
Ball was at the 3 point line. His man was on the baseline under the basket. Alabi was in the middle of the paint, halfway to the free throw line.
"Trick is right."
Thought he took a step out, opened up the passing lane a bit more
Not watching this thing on my DVR, though. Wasn’t watching him close enough
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Are Devin and Trevor Booker
related?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions
Trick, you hear that commentary on GT?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions
Yuuup
Long road to go, been bad on the road, etc.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever dude.
You’ve never heard of “The Giminski Factor”?
It’s one of the secret criteria of the selection committee
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think I know more of what I'm talking about than they do.
All 3 of those “bubble” teams had RPI’s in the 20’s and 30’s. Come on, those are “safe” bubble teams. I guess the one guy’s name is Giminski? www.giminskifactor.com
"Trick is right."
How the HELL do you watch so much basketball and not know who Mike Giminski is? Seriously?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Still though, man
I’m just gonna assume you’re just that focused on the game.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
we've stopped being patient on offense -
find the post, boys…
If I were an opposing coach, I’d press FSU for 40 minutes.
They would score 34 points.
365 days, until I change my ways.
who has the conditioning to do that, though? Although I agree with you on the fact that we
dont look too good against the press
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Clemson did in a few games back.
It killed us too.
QUICK QUIZ (NO Googling)
Where is Nolan Richardson now coaching?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
ANSWER: Head Coach: Tulsa Shock. WNBA
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
weve only had one turnover against the press
and gotten a couple good shots out of it..
but i know this is a good day so far..
It also killed our offensive rhythm, and I am going off the past as well, not just today.
365 days, until I change my ways.
absolutely
although lets hope that we’ve figured out how to put a guy in the middle of the floor
and im encouraged by leonard going w/ three ball handlers when they press…
maybe he is watching the game..
Fine by me
We’d still win this game if the current pace holds
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Whats the score and whos winning just got back from Hockey...
and hows the game been going?
"You play to WIN the GAME"
theyve had about 13 turnovers
were playing filthy d
"Students got it right. Season ticket holders barely...." somethin' somethin',
in regards to the blackout.
CU 29.1 Off Eff
"Trick is right."
shouldnt we be up by 20?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Ha ha!!!
I was trying to calculate that myself, and couldnt find the data. Hilarious.
Where did you get that from?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
'i think this snear kid has enormous potential'
genius quote from the announcer, aka captain obvious..
It's the Giminski Factor, 000111, he's the secret guru that nobody knows about.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i had no idea snear had potential until just now -
i thought those 5 stars next to his name indicated he was a good listener in class..
clemson has to be thanking their lucky stars
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
5 second violation. god, I missed our offense
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Doesn't mean our offense is better....
"You play to WIN the GAME"
You missed the XMan play some seriously tough minutes early on, too.
Looked pretty good.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
x has been playing really well
alabi’s been out there though..
A nice dunk. A nice block. A nonfactor otherwise.
And yes, 2 fouls. Fouls like a maniac.
"Trick is right."
naismith is rolling over in his grave
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
nice travel
you can jump, land then pass i guess
I will give him that shot every time.
He’ll hit it 2 out of 10 IMO. That’s not easy to do.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
nobody really thought our offense had "turned the corner" did they?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I have to agree. I thought that too. looks like we were a little off.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
you gotta be kidding me
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
The funny thing is, that he looked at the clock...slowed his dribble, and measured it well.
It wasn’t like it was out of control…impressive.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions
FSU is shooting a torrid 34%. We should be up by at least...3
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
TC, are you in didactic/rotations/residency, etc?
What phase are you in?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
My bad...I thought you were still in school. What field you in/where in Chicago are you?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Could be insulting to some people
Just curious, because I’m under heat to go to med school by the parentals.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. If you want to be technical, yes I have the degree. But we're all buddies here. No need for that at all. And I don't roll like that.
Just like we won’t call Bud. Mr. Elliot Esquire next year.
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Officially trailing...
Unbelievable.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions
clemson has the lead. too funny
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
my brother said he saw a todd mcshay mock nba draft, had alabi going 8th.
how is this possible?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
no wonder i dont like the nba
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Why are they not calling these clear fouls on Clemson?
That’s 3 in the past couple minutes.
"Trick is right."
Between this game and the Magic game that's about to start...
I’m afraid I might hurt my TVs feelings.
i gotta apologize to fsuun
we have no idea how to break a press – its completely new to us every time…
At this point....
I don’t care how ugly this gets as long as we get the “W”. We had a nice run of quality games though.
Process > Results
4-10 from the line for those counting
plus two front-enders
down four
and left about 9 on the free thrown line..
Does the fact that Sam Adams has a less than 1% market share in the beer industry surprise anyone else?
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 7:06 PM EST reply actions
largest american-owned brewery now
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I THINK Coors might be foreign-owned
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I should say: at least that was what I was told
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
ok. But, I should have said I only "heard' that anyway. I.E, I didnt personally read that.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Gibson should know better that to jump at a shot that far out. You're seven feet tall. Stay on the ground. You're not going to block a three point shot.
And is Booker really going to take that shot? Know your personnel people.
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was a good mobe by booker though
strong to the hoop
Very skilled player. Better on the defensive end.
RWS email me if you have any questions about med school
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speaking of emails TC
I just saw several from you in an account I rarely check, sorry I never reponded to any. I guess I signed up using that address.
Process > Results
when is a 4-point lead safe in this game?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
You guys act like Alabi has good hands.
He does not. Those turnovers are on Loucks for making ill-advised passes to that particular big man.
"Trick is right."
They have one and his name is Andy Edenfield
appearantly he is in over his head this season. Our players show good progression on an annual basis though
Process > Results
When waa his last really solid gamr
Seems like he’s in a bit of a slump
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 28, 2010 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would be happy if Shannon turns out like Reid.
A 3* who blew out his knee in hs. I’d say that’d be a pretty good career for him.
"Trick is right."
its morgan's illigitimate son
mother is a turtle
Our defense can carry us
We need our big men to score and draw fouls though
by Legal_Seminole on Feb 28, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I love games like this
then again I am a offensive minded Coach who loves to win defensive games.
by Legal_Seminole on Feb 28, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
dont get me wrong i love the defense
but the sloppiness…
Having to listen to Brando and his
heavy smokers nasal delivery drives me nuts. He’s such an SEC homer.
At least we have the hot chick from the Acura commercial
sweet pass to singleton
the ‘hot sauce’ off the knee pass
Could see the sigh of relief/surprise in Singleton's face when he made that first one.
"Trick is right."
yep. and we cracked the unheard of 50%
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Are you serious?
Plenty of athletes smoke.
by Legal_Seminole on Feb 28, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
oh...that was an easy foul call..
didnt even touch the ball…
i let snaer take it to the rack
and others clean up
I was wondering about that
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Tell Singleton drive to the damn basketball
by Legal_Seminole on Feb 28, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
i say we dribble out teh shot clock then play d
thats our best chance at winning..
some kind of joke here
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Why did Loucks dribble so slowly across midcourt?
Why did Hamilton wait those few seconds to call timeout?
"Trick is right."
Have to go to the basket. Increased change of getting fouled and getting the basket
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i think it was as much his 4 - 10 fg
40% is almost double anyone else today..
Why didn't Singleton go for the jump ball there? He had time and was in position to do so?
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because we are destined to blow it
"You play to WIN the GAME"
or, the 58% from the FT line
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
No we don't.
Our coaching does…. well offensive coaching.
by Legal_Seminole on Feb 28, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen our players do one thing that is normally taught to ball players.
Defensively we’re stout however offensively we lack the simple things, like ball control.
by Legal_Seminole on Feb 28, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
ah well....
I’m going to the game on Wednesday… bring it on Duke!
oops the other team
that’s going to be tough to beat :P
That was the play that was called. There was nothing else.
He was stuck in a corner. Any timeouts left? Not sure. Not much else he could do there.
"Trick is right."
THERE WAS NO SHOT!
Just because you call a play does not mean you take the shot, especially when it’s NOT THERE!
When a taller player has you pinned against the sideline with just seconds left on the clock...
"Trick is right."
but lets just get it out there: that last play is hardly this team's biggest
problem.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
No doubt.
Up 19-6 with 4:36 to go in the first half. Halftime score: 21-19
Up 47-42 with1:24 to go in the game. Final score: 50-53
Outscored 5-24 in the final 6 minutes combined of the first and 2nd halves. PATHETIC! Pathetic offense. Pathetic defense. Pathetic coaching. Pathetic basketball.
That means in the other 34 minutes of basketball, we outscored Clemson 45-29.
"Trick is right."
we got a four-way tie at 8-6. who has the tie-break?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Why????
Coach Ham is the Ron Zook of basketball
don't worry about the rest of the 7 seconds
lets shoot it in 1.1
thats exactly what im thinking....
and two piss poor efforts against UMD as well
"You play to WIN the GAME"
how in the hell do we go
from 7 points up with 50 seconds to losing….that should be someone’s job….that is unacceptable for any level of basketball no excuses
"You play to WIN the GAME"
That's the truth.
We looked like the Russian hockey team against Canada, no heart.
by seminoleballer on Feb 28, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
the coach didn't lose
is a young team and they made young mistakes. There is no coaching switch that changes that. The more they play the better they get
don't try to think rationally at this point
the natives are restless and need someone’s blood
Process > Results
Young team that makes mistakes for how many years now?
Wait until next year for how many years now?
"Trick is right."
WTF Noles?!..
PUTRID! Up by 5 at the line with chance to make it 7 with 1:25 left & blew it! Ryan Reid’s TO hurt but the inbounds pass was just disgusting! I’m soo bummed. Now it’s a log jam at 3rd in the ACC. Meh…
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Total garbage.
This team is worthless. Kitchen never steps up when he needs to, Singleton SUCKS at shooting the ball and chokes down the stretch, Alabi has NO hands whatsoever (maybe he should go back to soccer), Reid makes the same stupid turnovers game after game, year after year, plus he always plays D like he has 4 fouls, he doesn’t even try half the time. Snaer makes stupid turnovers that cost us games.
In my anger I’m half tempted to say cut the whole team and start over with players who actually know a thing or two about the game. It’s painful to watch these “athletes” fumble their way around a court and throw away games that they should easily win because they’re absolutely STUPID when it comes to the game of basketball. Our basketball IQ? Mildly retarted at best.
yes. it was a world-class rant. lets not forget the two missed FT's by singleton with a
minute to go, and the inbounds pass snaer couldnt handle just after that
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Bright side... Our Baseball team sweeps Hofsta to stay unbeaten. lol
Nothing bright to say about basketball or learning experience out of this piece of trash game. They str8 up choked this one away. This was for all the beans too. Seed, Bye & Lock. Oh well. Ugh! They should make the players watch the last 1:25 over & over to suffer like we had too.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Pissed the whole ball of wax away. Any very good defense is like kryptonite to this team.
Now, I know good defenses make it tough for anyone, but this team totally falls apart. More tunovers than FG’s, by the way (20-16).
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Who knows, maybe Hamilton will luck out and get the right group like Billy D did
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 28, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions
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