Florida State's Post Signing Day Hangover
by MattDNole on Feb 4, 2010 10:05 AM EST
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Sorry guys. Things are going pretty slow around the Official TNation condo. We're still trying to recover from yesterday. There are empty cans and paper plates everywhere. Quick morning assessment of yesterday's events: I still don't know how FSUn ended up with that baby; FSUSOM and SWFLNole woke up this morning with matching tattoos; I did some things I'm not proud of after my celebratory root beer binge got out of hand, and FrankDNole still hasn't woken up yet (I can't wait until he sees what we wrote on his face).
Consequently, things are running a little slow this morning. Here's something quick to hold you over until we can figure out where we left The K-Man.
FSU finished with the number 6 rated class according to ESPN and the number 10 class according to Rivals.
When size of the class is taken into account, here are the average star rankings for the rest of the ACC.
| School | Avg. Stars (Rivals) |
| Florida State | 3.50 |
| Clemson | 3.35 |
| Virginia Tech | 3.29 |
| Miami | 3.07 |
| UNC | 3.14 |
| NC State | 3.05 |
| Maryland | 3.10 |
| Georgia Tech | 3.17 |
| Boston College | 2.86 |
| Virginia | 2.78 |
| Wake Forest | 2.74 |
| Duke | 2.50 |
Note that Florida State finished about 1.603 standard deviations above the average ACC class. Miami only finished .085 standard deviations above the average ACC class.
Now I have some bad news for you. FSU's class wasn't as good as Florida's class. A team that finished 7-6 and has only had an entirely competent coaching staff for 5 weeks did not have as good a class as the team that won a BCS bowl, has won 2 National Championships in 4 years, and has one of the top programs in the country. I know. It sucks. But look at the rest of the SEC classes.
| School | Avg Stars (Rivals) |
| Florida | 3.89 |
| Auburn | 3.5 |
| Alabama | 3.62 |
| LSU | 3.59 |
| Tennessee | 3.44 |
| Georgia | 3.42 |
| Ole Miss | 3.28 |
| South Carolina | 3.04 |
| Mississippi State | 2.92 |
| Arkansas | 2.96 |
| Kentucky | 2.77 |
| Vanderbilt | 2.79 |
Florida finished with a class that was 1.595 standard deviations above the average SEC class.
Relative to each school's in-conference competition, Florida State had just as good a class as Florida.
Florida State is not in the SEC and has only been playing new-millennium football for 5 weeks. Right now, there are too many obstacles for FSU to use the SEC as its benchmark. But when compared to its own conference, Florida State was the cream of the crop this recruiting season. If the Noles can continue to show this type of dominance over the rest of its conference in recruiting and translate that into on-field success, Jimbo Fisher can build the type of program that can hopefully compete nationally with UF, Alabama, Texas, and USC.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to throw away some empty pizza boxes and take like 20 showers.
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Thanks!!!!
For everything ya’ll do……Hopefully everybody still has all their teeth….LOL and good luck on finding The K-Man
While there were once only a few in our wolfpack...
There are now many more us wolves, running around the Atlantic Coast Conference together, looking for championships and epic-level beatdowns. Today, we toast!
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 4, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Marriages can be annulled if you act on it swiftly
It was always the tattoos on my fore head I came to regret.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Good job guys!
This was my first recruiting season on TN and will be the place I call home.
Again, wonderful job
I have an overwhelming "What do I do now?" feeling.
Can we go ahead and put the 2011 Big Board on full throttle? :)
Strong Class
Thanks for the perspective.
While normally a mild-mannered and pragmatic Nole, I certainly deviated from the normal yesterday due to a combination of the early morning man love that ESPN was throwing at FSU like we were Corey Miller on a weekend in Knoxville; and the hopes that we would at least come home with two of the group of Dorsey/Deering/T-Rex/Lemonier/Calvin/Ego.
All in all, great day for the new staff, the fans and the entire program.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 4, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like How Jimbo put it......
We didn’t get everybody we wanted, but we got what we needed………..I’m more than satisfied….
Congrats on the class.
Y’all loaded up on talent at the positions needed. We loaded up on our needs and projects for the future. Overall y’all beat us yesterday, no doubt, but both teams did what was needed.
How many of Florida’s recruits will still be there in three years? 31 arrests in the 3 years doesn’t bode well.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 4, 2010 10:36 AM EST reply actions
Miami was in a difficult spot of having taken big classes for the last two years.
So I think you had to take more projects than normal. You’re gambling that more than your fair share of them pan out.
If they do, you guys will love this class and won’t miss a beat 3 years from now.
If they don’t, you’ll look at it like we look at 2007 and wonder why you have no good upperclassmen.
To put it in FSU terms, most of Miami's class is the equivalent of a "Trickett-style linemen."
We praise Rick for seeing potential in under-recruited players and coaching them into good players. But for every 2 star linemen Trickett turns into a star, there are 3 guys that don’t cut it.
Miami probably found a few guys in this class that are VASTLY underrated and will be stars. But if they ever have to rely on a large portion of these guys contributing significantly, it’ll be like playing Russian Roulette with 4 bullets.
We are alredy loaded at the skill positions so
For the first time since Randy took over, we were able to recruit needs over immediate impact players. This class tells me that we are where we need to be.
Rumor has it we’re already looking good for 2011 recruiting.
Speaking of 2001 recruiting, y’all are the frontrunners for Nick Marshall (QB for Wilcox County, GA), and that came straight from Nick’s own mouth. He’s a beast.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 4, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
You definitely have current players that can allow this class time to develop.
The only issue is if these guys get forced into playing too soon, or if they can’t pan out. I am a fan of a team that recently had a coaching staff that couldn’t consistently make 3 stars into 4s, or 4s into 5, etc. If Miami’s staff is the same way, and these recruits are counted on significantly, there will be problems. This coming from a guy who’s been there and watched it happen.
Jimbo has a man crush on Christian Lemay, so he’s our top QB target next season.
Take a large number of needs
Keep the ones that pan out, boot the others. You’ll se that coming at FSU. Saban is notorious for doing it.
I’d like to have some of the 5 star kids you got, but as a general rule, I’ll take a hungry 3* over a prima donna 5*. Of course, the ideal recruit would be to take hungry 5*’s.
That wasn’t a swipe at your class, just remembering the Coker classes. Coker recruited strictly from scout and rivals. He had no recruiting coordinator.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 4, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
You guys definitely are already on board with the roster churning aspect of modern FB.
I think you can afford a recruiting season like this one, every 4 years. But if you guys “miss” again next year, that will become a big problem.
We'll get the "sexy" positions next year.
DE, WR, QB will be targets next year. I would like to have gotten a stud QB this class, but Morris could be one of those under the radar types.
On a side note, Seantrel Henderson hasn’t qualified academically, yet.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 4, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was holding out LOI until USC's NCAA meeting?
Fairly certain that was the case…. and it will be between the Taints* and you folks if Kiffin isn’t able to ’splain his way out of things.
USC will face sanctions of some kind.
Kiffin has repeatedly told him and his father that no sanctions are coming, and we know that Kiffin wouldn’t lie.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d take him if his commitment from USC falls through. But I want players whose hearts are in Miami.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take prototype LTs whose signatures are on FSU's LOIs..
Their hearts won’t take long to follow, so long as you’re winning some ball games.
Stoops Defensive Observations
I know he had little time for transition, but I guess I was looking for a more technical breakdown of the players. Overall a great night and you can tell the coaches have great chemistry!
for sure...
im stoked to see what these guys can do with full year under belt.
looks like fsu has good group of coaches! good luck to fisher and co
First off
thanks to the TN staff for a great signing day. With fans it’s always about who we didn’t get not who we did get. I’m pretty excited with this class. On the offensive side I think Werner becomes the darkhorse pick of this draft. He is obviously extremely coachable and has an outstanding work ethic. Green also I think can turn into a great player and game changer. On the defensive side how can you not like the linebackers we signed? From Luc, Jones, Onwukaife, Smith, and Terrell I see some big things coming out of this group. Did we miss some players? Yes, but I am happy where we landed. I’m ready to see these guys get to work and see them on the field.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Uggh
Werner on the defensive side. Looks like I need a recruiting break as well.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Any ideas on if we signed and placed any kids?
I’m only asking because the news last night reported that we signed 28 with some kids that we placed, but we clearly only have 24 on board.
In Florida
It’s nice to see that FSU came away with 4 of the top 10 players in Florida (per Rivals).
"Yay" on overall assessment;
Boo on one note:
Right now, there are too many obstacles for FSU to use the SEC as its benchmark.
Maybe you can say UF specifically is too high of a benchmark for this year, but, as you stated, we did quite well against the balance of the MIGHTY SEC. Only 3 of 12 teams out-starred us (UF-3.89, Bama-3.62, LSU-3.59), while we tied with Auburn… and that, playing with one arm tied behind our back.
Going forward, no more excuses. We have quality of staff and program support investments that should allow us to contend quite favorably against the SEC as a whole, and we will be within striking distance of Florida in short time.
Actually, we only finished .539 standard deviations above the SEC average.
So yes, we’d be in the top half of the SEC, but not by much.
Bama and LSU didn't exceed the SEC average by too much, either.
We are on statistically even ground with the #2-#4 SEC programs in terms of the talent we brought in, this year. And we are on at least even ground with those programs in terms of the staff that will be developing and coaching them (I’m looking at you, Mr. High Hat).
Your posts made me think (and I don't like to that)
Some kids go to SEC schools simply because they’re SEC schools (not knocking it at all) so if we were in the SEC wouldn’t it be reasonable to say our class would have been better?
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think, unless we got lucky with division and cross-divisional rivals, our record would've been worse in the SEC last year.
So it’s a wash.
We could've been ok in the east last year.
That was Florida and 5 pretty significantly flawed teams.
But Alabama and LSU would’ve crushed us. Ole Miss would’ve beat us. Auburn and Arkansas would’ve torched our defense. Miss State wouldn’t even be fun because of Mullen’s offense.
Wait... who's talking about last year?
I’m talking 2010-
We’re on even or better ground with everyone but UF going forward (and as of today, they don’t have a DC.) It will take a while to build our roster, but replicating or improving upon this year’s recruiting success will translate to competitiveness at the elite SEC level.
I’d be interested to know if FSUn’s outlook for our championship capacities has changed after the stunner we pulled off yesterday, in fact. We know we have equal/superior coaching staff to SEC squads. Now looks like we have the capacity to pull in even or better talent, as well.
I AM OFF PROBATION..............
whew!!!!! ooops, are we still being watched?! scratch that ‘whew’ from record.
thanks FSUn.
no, but really. great job guys! any lions in the bathroom? watch out for tyson!
The biggest point
is the immediate improvement over the NSD’s of the past few years. No matter what, the idea that a new day is dawning in Tally and we don’t lose a thing by BB stepping aside s better than most on the national scene had forecast. The December we had and getting a lot of great players yesterday is a huge boost to our recently out-dated program.
Maybe it’s the eternal Nole inside me that has me feeling confident and secure in our future, but I think we will be back on the filed faster than anyone expects. The schedule is a a problem, so am realistic. Just really hopeful and looking forward to games at Doak again. Finally.
Okay, besides me, who *didn't* get banned yesterday?
Who survived the mighty ban hammer?
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
Yea sorry about that
There was a Willie Williams reference and I couldn’t help myself from posting “lol”.
Do you ever feel like a kindergarten teacher, FSUn?
This staff of yours….they are something else.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
I did un-ban 3 or 4 because I didn't warn them first and they had been linked to the thread w/o seeing the rules
But still, 1980 of 2000 members (roughly) behaving is pretty good.
And I wasn’t trying to PUNISH anyone, simply tried to keep threads managable.
Be honest.
You’ve got TN on Step 4 of the Saban Way and you’re churning the roster, too. Just make sure you set up the ban-ees with a nice second home at UNA’s blog site.
I didn't get banned
Because I took them at their word and didn’t say anything.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Schedule
Does anyone know when we will be changing ours to fit the jimbo fisher plan,soon i hope?
Nice class for you guys...
I was impressed with FSU this year, especially considering the limited time Jimbo had to put this together…Luc, and Joyner were big gets, and the 14 players on defense obviously met a specific need. I know that you guys wanted Dorsey, but I think you may have dodged a bullet there. The kid has insane potential, and I wish him luck but he had a pretty “interesting” recruiting period. I look forward to this years game at Doak, and again congrats on the class….hopefully we’ll resume those games between top 5s fighting for the national title very soon. Go Gators.
Could have done without
the go gators at the end. FSU board need I remind you
by FEARTHESPEAR! on Feb 4, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Average stars and standard deviation is fine
(and somehow I think you may know a lot about deviation but that’s beside the point) . The real measure is how many game changers did each team sign. There may not be much difference between a 2* and 3* OL, for example. But there is probably a big difference between a 2* and a 4* CB or WR.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
Ok...
FSU signed twice as many Rivals 5 star players as the rest of the conference combined (2 to 1).
The only other 5 star player signed to an ACC school is OL Robert Crisp… to NC State.
FSU signed more 4 star players than every other school except Clemson (Clemson 9, FSU 8, VA Tech 6, Miami 6).
FSU has two 5 stars and eight 4 stars. Clemson has nine 4 stars. No other school has more than six combined 5s and 4s (previously mentioned Miami and Va Tech with 6, NC State has five).
So at least on paper, Clemson's class is the only one in the same league as FSU's.
And FSU is still the clear number 1.
FSU...
clearly signed the best class in the ACC, and truthfully I will be very surprised if they don’t begin to control that conference again starting next year. Miami had a mediocre recruiting year, by any of the big 3s standards, and the “filling positions of need” talk coming out of the south is IMO delusional. They’ve finished 3rd, 13th, 17th, and 24th respectively (according to Scout) over the last 4 years, so I don’t buy the only recruiting positions of need talk.
My hope for FSU football is that we can own the ACC within 2 years.
To be perfectly honest, we are not in a position to consistently compete with you guys on a program level right now. I want us to get to the point where we control our conference and then we can start elevating to UF’s level.
I will say this, if Randy Shannon turns this class into something special, he’s a lot better than I give him credit for cuz from my perspective there are a LOT of projects in Miami’s class.
If and when FSU becomes the hegemon of the ACC and recruits know that their chances of winning a conference championship in their 4 years is very high...
Then we’ll be in the right position. That’s maintainable.
I'm one
Who believes in the cyclical nature of these things, so to me it’s only a matter of time. That being said, a good coach and staff is essential to ever coming back, and I also don’t believe in Shannon. IMO FSU and UM are two schools heading in opposite directions, despite how talented Miami could be this year. They no longer have South Florida on lockdown, and both Florida and FSU have begun to get recruits out of there. If they can’t regain that foothold, Miami could once again sink into obscurity…despite what they believe, I think both FSU and Florida have greater national appeal at this point.
Do we have a "Most Impressive Gator" award??
Cardsfan25 for M.I.G.!!!!!
:D
Oderint Dum Metuant
by DRusso97 on Feb 4, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ESPN 150
FSU had 8, the rest of the ACC had 9 COMBINED!!!
See, that's what I mean.
Your and Matt’s responses to my post show more graphically how big the disparity is between our class and the rest of the ACC’s classes. I would expect us to be in the top 3 or so of the SEC by that measure too.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
Sorry, FSUn!
I thought we’d be safe going off-topic in a thread with “hangover” in the title.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
The bad news is that, yes, UF signed an INCREDIBLE class.
The good news is they went out of state for 12 of the 28 they signed.
FSU knows from experience what happens when you go out of state for “top” recruits. Not saying UF’s experience won’t be different – just that they’re taking a risk.
fair point...
though it obviously depends. Spikes was from North Carolina, and Harvin was from Virginia so it depends on the player, though the point remains. If you can dominate in the state of Florida in recruiting, then you can dominate the country on the field.
But I agree that it depends on the player. I also think it depends on where the player is from.
Spikes & Harvin were from the South, that may make a difference in places like Gunsville and Tally.
yeah
grabbing a guy like Powell from out west doesn’t scare me. California is teeming with football talent too. But a guy like Coxson from Maryland, or Van from New York does give me a moment of pause. Both Easley and Floyd are from up north, ans based on their film and performance at all-star events they should be fantastic. The truth though is that the talent up there is not comparable, and so you’re right that it can be an issue.
I wasn't even referring to talent differences, more the culture itself and potential homesickness.
But I agree that the talent difference could be an issue too.
just throwing this our there preemptively ..
If me being here bothers you guys, I’ll leave, I just get tired of always talking to fellow Gator fans online…it begins to get too homerish, and one sided filled with optimism unbridled. I like coming to other boards, not to stir anything up but simply to talk to with others who likely offer another perspective and opinion on things.
I am really appreciating your contribution.
I think you’ll find that the majority of us here are realistic about where we stand compared to UF’s program right now. And as long as you’re not degrading us in the process, we appreciate the outside perspective.
I’m enjoying the conversation with you and Cane Resurrection.
Let me edit that... "degrading us when we don't deserve to be degraded."
The commentary during last year’s UF-FSU game was frequently degrading, but a lot of it was also with cause.
my closest firend
since high school is an FSU alum, so my experience with the rivalry has probably been different than most. I had him and his 5 FSU buddies down to my Gainesville apartment in 1999, and since then it takes quite a bit to get me actually riled up about the rivalry…what an awful experience. But either way, I usually have to shoo away the obnoxious Florida contingent when we watch the game together each year, and he does the same for me so the point is basically that I don’t like to see FSU down, and actually want them to come back, and be as good as they were. The rivalry is much more fun that way.
good to know...
I consider myself a pretty even keel Gator, and actually make it a point to try and be sportsmanlike, and fair. I realize we aren’t all like that ( as any fanbase can say) so I like to throw out the “I’ll leave if need be” warning just to let people know I’m not here to be a dick…
You are one of the more rational ones who seems to understand why UF is good?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I appreciate it....
and I also assure you that should this site become one I frequent often, I’ll try and stay away Thanksgiving week to avoid any potential issues.
I appreciate your input
I have been embarrassed by some of our fans, at times. Good to get the re-affirmation that there are some thinking fans clad in the orange and blue. I know quite a few. It’s the mouth breathing rednecks that give pause and stokes the disdain. It can make what should be an awesome rivalry ugly.
it pretty much depends
on how you handle yourself. Gatorsports.com (Gainesville Sun) website is pretty decent, but like anywhere you’re going to get razzed a little bit. I know there is a Bama fan on there is very respectful, and a solid poster and thus get’s left alone. Of course it usually takes some of the more experienced members telling people to get off his back, but such is the life of a team with an enormous bandwagon…the idiots like to jump on board.
Thanks
Ive tried a couple places and as soon as I start throwing around stats and rationale I get labeled a geek and am told to take my calculator and go back to my mom’s basement.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
that's unfortunately
not surprising. I spend way too much time talking about, looking at, and thinking about sports, and that has led to an inability to be around sports idiocy for long. That means I pretty much can’t watch anything on ESPN unless it’s an actual game. There are certain sports cliches that irk me to no end, and I’m also a big fan of those crazy little buggers called statistics. To be fair, I have no idea what your stats were, and what you were trying to prove with them so it’s hard for me to really defend of attack their behavior, but that being said, I’m usually game to break something down if people will bother to listen…
Most uneducated Gator fans think Jimbo's offense sucks because we can't score against UF.
When ALL the number’s clearly show that it is Elite. Narrowminded stuff like that.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I thought the
offense was good last year but that was just my impression…I think elite may be a bit of a stretch. I have heard several FSU fans lament the loss of the RIcht offense. Basically with comments like “We used to throw 50 yard TDs all the time, and now all we do is this little dink and dunk stuff”. I can admit that I’m nowhere near as well versed in the FSU offense as you guys, but it has appeared to me to have improved quite a bit since Jimbo’s first year. The issue to me, and I realize that this may be stating the obvious, was that the defense couldn’t stop anybody…that of course is the reason this signing class was so important for you guys (14 defensive players). I’m curious though. What are these numbers that show it as an elite offense…I see them ranked 39th last year in PPG with 29.8 and 28th in yardage. It’s good, but again elite may be a stretch. Of course these kinds of conversations always digress into a “well they played team a b and c” and “they suck” so we’ll avoid that, but I think the FSU offense is in pretty good hands. I don;t know much about the defensive coordinator, but at least you have one so….
I agree
though I also realize that success can unfortunately being out the worst in fans. Too many of my brethren have too quickly forgotten the Zook years, and become positively unbearable at times. FSU had a similar issue in the late 90s when everyone and their brother was an FSU fan. The idiot masses tend to follow the current winner, lucky us. That being said, I have for the most part always managed to have a pretty civil relationship with FSU fans. While I obviously root against them, and want to win at everything against them, I at least have respect, probably born out of knowing so many alums. I cannot unfortunately say the same for most Canes fans I meet. The lack of any relationship with the school, and “thug” appeal is simply too much for me. I hate to characterize an entire group that way, but I have met maybe 2 or 3 respectable, even keeled Miami fans in my entire life. The rest love to yell F**K Florida or FSU, and talk trash often times while way behind in the rankings…just my experience.
Funny you should mention...
I remember being at a FSU vs UM game in the ’90’s (the 47-0 one) and being around some (FSU) fans that embarrassed the Hell out of me. The way that they (those select fans) carried themselves was appalling. I grew up considering FSU as a classy school (and for the most part I still believe that statement to be true). I will say, that seeing that spectacle caused me to seriously consider the level of respect that I show to other schools and their fans.
by mountain renegade on Feb 4, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
"Thug" appeal?
From a Gator fan? 31 : 1 arrest ration over the past three years between UM and UF. Guess which one is the 31.
I have respect for what y’all have done the past 4 years, no so uch for pretty much every UF fan I know. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders, though. This is good site, as long as you’re respectful.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 5, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying
that the “thug” element is perpetrated by the University, as you’ll notice I was speaking specifically about many of the fans I’ve encountered. That being said, I’m not sure it’s something that Miami can ever really avoid. Miami made a name for themselves with a certain attitude and behavior. It’s that attitude that many of their prospective recruits are drawn to, and like or not, that is the “thug” appeal of the U. A lot of Miami roots for the Canes, and views them like many places view NFL teams. You don’t have to go to the school to be a Miami fan, you just have to be from South Florida. There is more of this in my experience with Miami, than with any other school. I’m not coming outright and saying that it’s wrong or incorrect, but here comes the stereotype….When I go to a bar to watch Florida play Tennessee and have to listen to some dude all tatted up with his “pants on the ground” yelling f**k Florida all night, and sure enough he’s donning the green and orange, the stereotype is continued (Yes that happened last year). This guy was just released from prison (also true), and dropped out of high school, but he was from South Florida, and loved the U…Am I making this up? No. That is the “thug” appeal I’m referring to.
I guess every fan sees more of the lunatic fringe of their rival.
Probably because they yell the loudest.
Do you see a dip in production from UF next year? What’s going on with Meyer? Do you think he’ll make it back from his hiatus now that signing day has passed?
I really wish we could get y’all back on the schedule every year.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 5, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
you're preaching to the choir..
I believe that all 3 should play each other every single year…let’s have a Florida champ. I realize that adding Miami would lead to a loss sometimes, but I’d rather be able to say definitively that we were the best. I also understand why Florida doesn’t want to do it. There is nothing to gain from it, other than an awesome game every year for the fans.
As far as a dip, I actually believe that the rumors of Florida’s demise have been greatly overstated. I’m calling it now, and you guys can bring this up whenever you want next year but Florida will score more points per game next year with Brantley than they did with Tebow last year. While the criticisms of Tebow’s game got annoying, many of them were also somewhat accurate. He’s not a pure passer, or even a particularly good one. Obviously there are things that could derail success (Meyer leaving, Brantley sucking) but the team as a whole is just as talented, and maybe even more talented than last year.
With a passing QB the offense will change slightly, but will hopefully be able to take advantage of the ridiculous athletes that went largely unused last year. Losing Pouncey will hurt, and so will losing Haden, but I think 10 to 11 wins is entirely reasonable, and I expect them to be in the SECCG again…
The biggest question mark for y'all will be
leadership. That’s the biggest thing Tebow brought to the table. I still don’t think y’all fully recovered from losing Harvin and Murphy. DuBois may be the answer to that. How’s the D going to look without Spikes and co.?
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 5, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
you're
dead on about Harvin and Murphy, and the leadership in general. To that, I really have no answer. I don’t know how this team will respond or who will step up. On defense, losing Spikes shouldn’t hurt as much as Haden and Dunlap. There are very capable back ups at every position, but the linebacking corp is probably the most ready to step in. Losing Wright to the NFL may actually have avoided what would have been an uncomfortable position battle this year. Will Hill is the better athlete, and better safety. Dunlap simply can’t be replaced, he’s too freakish of an athlete, but they may have just signed the heir apparent in Powell. He’ll see the field this year. The overall talent is just as good, but there will be changes i not only the names, but probably the scheme. I predict a top 3 defense in the SEC, but that may not be good enough…in 2011 though, whew, that’s gonna be fun to watch.
If the Under Armor All American Game was any indication
Dominique Easley will fill in qiute nicely. Possibly as a freshman.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 5, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
My God. A Cane and a Gator talking respectfully to each other on a Seminole Blog. I am going to barf.
Joking. Good to have these types of convo’s. Canes Res. and myself have also had a few. Nice give and take. Enjoyed reading both your thoughts.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I was just thinking that
first sign of the Armageddon.
Don't get it twisted.
I still hope they lose every game, except maybe UGA. Bulldog fans are the absolute worst.
by Cane Ressurection on Feb 9, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
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