Florida State 2010 Recruiting Class Analysis
Filling needs with talent. That's the goal of recruiting and any analysis of a recruiting effort must start there. Let's ask Tom Luginbill of ESPN:
For information on all of FSU's signees, check out our full recap of the class: Full Recap of Florida State's Recruiting Class Make sure to check out that link. Scouting reports and video there.
There's a logical fallacy going on here. Nobody wants players who can't play. And if kids can't play they will eventually end up elsewhere. But how do we know if the current players can play? Everyone will acknowledge that the previous defensive staff was brutal over the last few years. Look no further than how FSU wasted Myron Rolle-- now considered a very good NFL safety prospect. This is a guess, but I don't think we really know if the current defensive players can play. And I don't think FSU's new coaches do either. They might think they know, but I'm pretty sure they want to have a spring with the returning kids to see if they can perform under a competent level of instruction. It's something a lot of us, including myself, might have overlooked. The coaching staff doesn't want to throw away kids who can play based solely off the player's poor performance under incompetent, lame duck defensive coaching staffs.
Which brings me to numbers. We had thrown out that FSU might take 29 kids. Eventually that turned into "planned to take 29 kids." It shouldn't have. FSU could have taken 29 kids if every kid they wanted elected to be a Nole. I am told that the coaches had a set minimum. If they failed to meet that minimum at any one position, then they would be forced to reach for a lesser talented kid. But once they reached that threshold, they would not reach for lesser talented players simply to add more numbers.
FSU filled its needs with talent and did not need to reach. FSU needed a quarterback and got the top QB in the state, Clint Trickett. The 'Noles needed 1-2 running backs and filled the need with Debrale Smiley, a 240 lb full grown man. I can't tell you how impressed I am with FSU signing, placing, and getting back two JUCO kids. FSU needed 4-6 wide receivers. At first I thought that was a bunch, but after realizing Taiwan Easterling could leave for baseball full time (if it happens expect it after this football season), kids can transfer for playing time, and Jarmon Fortson still has accountability and responsibility issues. To fill their ned of 4-6 wideouts, FSU signed one of the best 5 wide receiver classes in the country, featuring ESPNU 150 players Christian Green and Kenny Shaw. They also added 3 other really talented kids. Need filled. On the offensive line, FSU didn't absolutely need to take anyone and would have taken a maximum of three kids if the kids were a perfect fit. FSU grabbed one in Dan Foose, which is well within need. Foose is a bit of a late bloomer and a solid 3* recruit. I know that FSU's staff is extremely excited about next year's offensive line class, in which the Noles will look to take 3-5 linemen. At the tight end position, FSU really needed to grab two players. They did that, taking stud TE Will Tye and hanging onto Georgia's Tank Sessions. When it comes to the offense, the needs were filled and filled with talented players who fit the system.
Of course, there were few needs on offense. FSU already had one of the best offenses in the country. The needs on the defensive side were larger. As discussed above, only Washington State had a worse defense among BCS conferences. And it starts up front. FSU needed 5-6 defensive linemen, depending on breakdown by position. If they couldn't get the 5 they wanted, they would have to reach for a lesser player. They absolutely would take more than 5 if the players were kids they wanted (not reaches). But they got their 5 and I'm told they really love the 5. Bjoern Werner is a soon to be 21 year old freshman who at 6'4" 280 lbs can be an immediate impact guy on the outside. Yes, I said outside. While Werner (4*) has the ability to play inside, his placement on the outside is representative of FSU's desire to get bigger players. When in the last 10 years have you seen FSU have a 280 lb defensive end? Darious Cummings, a 6'2" 277 lb 4* defensive end should have an immediate impact as well. Ditto Anthony "Amp" McCloud, the RsSo JUCO 6'3" 305 lb defensive tackle who should play around 300 lbs. They also added two young 300 lbers who will likely redshirt and then contribute in Damien Jacobs and Cameron Erving. This was not a great defensive line class. I thought FSU would have done better. But they did meet their needs and the one area in which they really excelled was getting kids who can play immediately. Here's Werner committing:
As for the three misses... Collectively, they don't look good. But to understand them we need to look at them individually. FSU was in a battle for Corey Lemonier, the talented defensive end out of Miami. And I'll say they just got outrecruited. Not blown away, mind you, but slightly out recruited. That was a close battle which Auburn won. Take some solace in knowing that Lemonier is not someone who would have contributed immediately. Jr. "Ego" Ferguson is a different story. FSU fans don't want to hear this, but simply getting him on campus for an official visit after the kid had shown very little interest in Florida State is a big victory. That FSU was in the final discussion is a testament to the recruiting efforts of the coaches. In the end, his dad wanted him to go to Notre Dame and he wanted to be a 'Nole. They compromised and he selected LSU, which appealed more to his dad because as I was told "They've had their act together for more than 5 weeks." FSU didn't think they were getting Ferguson. And they didn't plan or depend on getting Ferguson. That's important, because classes really start to fall apart when a staff depends on getting a kid it does not get. And while they could have grabbed some others, they would have been reaches. I don't want to say a whole lot on Calvin Smith. FSU was very "meh" on the kid. When a kid picks New Mexico over Tennessee and Florida State, you know $omething funny is going on. Everyone knew the deal with Calvin. Whatever school would give Calvin Smith's dad a job would get him. FSU and Tennessee weren't going to set that precedent. Calvin should also invest in some eye drops because he looked high as a kite during his announcement. Finally, some have been pretty vocal about FSU telling J.C. Copeland the class was full 3 weeks ago when he showed interest. The thought behind that was that FSU already had SDE Cummings, thought they had a shot at getting at least one of Werner or Ferguson, and didn't want to scare off Lemonier.
That FSU wasn't counting on those kids but rather regarding them as bonuses tells me two things. First, it tells me that FSU really likes the young talent it already has on the defensive line (and conversely thinks Jody Allen was a terrible defensive ends coach). And two, it tells me they really like the kids they brought in. Had they not, I believe FSU would have taken more guys on the defensive line. With only one senior on the defensive line this coming season, this line is still quite young. While I wanted to take 6 and not 5, and really wanted Corey Lemonier, there is a lot to like here and FSU is not setting itself up to be thin on the defensive line.
FSU needed to re-load at linebacker. With injuries, graduation, combined with poor recruiting in past years, the Noles needed to take 5 linebackers. They could get by with 4. As a quick aside, linebackers are crucial on special teams. FSU has had to use wide receivers too often on coverage and punt teams in past years. Having a need for 5 'backers presents problems. How do you convince multiple talented kids to come play for you? Kids aren't dumb. They can see who else a school is bringing in. Do they really want to go to a school that is also recruiting 4 other linebacker studs? Typically, they do not. But FSU somehow convinced them to do just that. The 'Noles linebacker class is far and away the best in the country. FSU signed the #1 MLB in Jeff Luc, and the #2 OLB in Christian Jones. In all, FSU signed 4 of the country's top 15 'backers. They also signed Holmes Onwukaife of Texas, who is very underrated due to a nasty ankle injury which prevented him from playing in front of as many scouts as the typical kid. Two 5*'s, Two 4*'s, and a 3*. Far and away the best linebacker class in the country. Thre really isn't an I'm still shocked they pulled it off. Expect 4 of the 5 kids to make big contribution on special teams and for several to get significant playing time. Here's Jones committing:
As for the defensive backfield, FSU needed 4-6 signees. And they met that need, signing 4 really talented kids. You can read the linked article to see the information on all the signees, but they signed the top corner in the country in Lamarcus Joyner, the arguably the top JUCO corner in the country in Mike Harris (#2 at worst). They also added a top 20 corner in Terrence Brooks. Chad Abram (no "s" in "Abram") is rated as the #13 safety in the country. FSU did lose out on Terrence Mitchell last week, a highly rated corner who decommitted to play for USF after he realized he could play right away for the hometown bulls and would be their only cornerback commitment.
And then there was the controversial Demar Dorsey. Lightning fast. Inconsistent. A top 10 player. A top 200 player. Demar Dorsey is whoever you want him to be. A kid who has turned his grades around? A kid at an alternative school for behavioral and learning problems. A kid with charges of burglary and armed robbery. Dorsey is polarizing and dynamic. And he is the one kid on signing day that FSU's coaches thought they would get and did not. Dorsey chose Michigan on signing day just a week after he decommitted from UF and committed to FSU on his official visit, largely because he has family in Ann Arbor. That Michigan promised him he could play offense didn't hurt its chances. I'm told that the coaches were disappointed that he decommitted because they felt he had turned himself around somewhat, but also acknowledged that he'd be a kid they would worry about every day. The main thing was to get him away from UF, because he could be really good on the off chance that he got his act together Personally, I did not want Dorsey. I thought he would be a hindrance to the culture change the new staff is trying to implement. FSU fans will follow Dorsey closely at Michigan.
But some FSU fans were disappointed in the class.
Their expectations were unrealistic. So what about those expectations? Where did they come from? RIvals, ESPN, and us as well. On the day that Bobby Bowden retired, FSU's recruiting class was ranked 39th on rivals. It wasn't ranked on ESPN (they rank only 25). There were multiple ACC teams ranked higher. FSU was not in the national discussion. People reading our weekly recruiting reports saw FSU fans speculating about landing a top 15 class and avoiding disaster. I don't think anyone on our staff thought that FSU would pull into the top 10. Nobody thought that an ACC team that failed to have a regular season winning record against D1 teams in 3 of the last 4 years would pull of what the 'Noles did.
And what they did was pull in an unquestioned top 10 class that also filled needs. ESPN rated them 6th, Rivals 10th. And FSU didn't attain that top ranking by taking a ton of kids. FSU took 24, and each kids filled a specific need. If you look at the average star rating, FSU has a 3.50, better than two teams rated higher than it. I am not trying to argue that FSU should be ranked higher. Those teams with more signees and equal star rating should be where they are. ESPN rates the class 6th. FSU has 8 ESPNU150 players. Only Florida, Texas, and Alabama have more.
Some have argued that this class is not an improvement over the last 3 classes. They argue that that at 10th, the class is not much better than last year's #7 ranked class of the #9 rated 2008 class. But I'll direct you to this:http://www.rivals.com/teamrankenrolled.asp Look where those 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes ended up when RIvals.com re-ranked them in August, based only on the kids that got into school! After all, if a kid doesn't get into school, he cannot contribute.
- FSU's 2008 class ended up with 29 enrolled prospects. Those prospects averaged 3.24 stars. It finished with a #8 ranking. That class is the foundation of the current team.
- FSU's 2009 class dropped to 12th overall, enrolling only 18 players, at an average star rating of 3.56 after 3 could not enroll.
FSU's class had 24 players at an average of 3.5 stars. Fisher said he expects all 24 to qualify. If his prediction comes true, this class will have an almost identical average star rating to the 2009 class while taking 6 more players. That's tough to do because the extra players are typically rated lower and drag down the average.
It's also quite tough to recruit with only 5 guys (Bowden, Amato, Andrews, Allen, and Carter were not recruiting for much of the year), with a program in chaos, and continuing to fight the probation misinformation campaign waged by other schools. If FSU can pull this class together with half a coaching staff, imagine what it can do next year when the Noles should take 22-28 players (depending on attrition). Recruiting exerts always say to judge a coach off his 2nd recruiting class (typically his first full year with his staff). We saw that with Miami in 2008 as the Canes had the #1 class. And we saw this year with Auburn as the Tigers pulled in the #4 (or #3 on Rivals) class. What will this staff do when it has a full year together? FSU fans have to be excited.
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No,
we did well : P
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
Dorsey
glad to see i’m not the only one who didn’t want that guy. Been taking a lotta heat here for it too. I couldn’t be happier with our class. That seminole boosters show. Was the coolest thing i’ve seen all year.
It always hurts when you lose a guy with 5 star talent. It hurts less when that guy is a serious question mark to stick in school.
No it doesnt hurt AS much as people think.
If anyone should know, its FSU, that 5* ratings are rubbish. Its the desire in the kids we bring in that means the most. Sure Florida got the #1 class, but how many of those will actually become something greater in life then a schmuck playing football on a POS team like Oakland or Detroit or Jax or Tampa Bay? As I told a Gator fan just today, half of their class will end up being convicted felons who cant even vote for the goddamn crooked politicians that tell them what they can and cant do with their own money should they end up in the NFL, much less have success in life outside the sport. What we needed is quality kids who are level headed and have the desire to WANT to play for FSU, WANT to be greater in life then just being one of a few hundred names lost in the rosters of NFL teams. I believe thats exactly what FSU brought in this season. A group of quality people who believe in FSU’s direction, who want to be part of this team and who want to be something greater then just someone a select number of fans knew in college. In that regards FSU won big time. We got everyone who we needed and in truth, lost no one that didnt put their :cough: ratings :cough: before their desire to be better then they are and expect the world to be handed to them just because their HS ratings or the fact they strap on Garnet and Gold.
All in all, considering, FSU landed the best class we could have in years. Sure we lost people we wanted, but for all we know, Lemonier could have flopped, Dorsey was Xavier Lee version 2.0 and too much for my comfort…etc. FSU did very, very good IMO and I will not complain.
Furthermore its the abilities of our current staff to coach em up that is the biggest factor. Hell most of our greatest players in the last few years were 3* or less. Ponder anyone? How bout Caz at TE? Hell almost all our O-line wasnt even 4*’s and they are one of the best O-lines in the country.
Star’s and ratings are overrated. Its the hearts the kids posses and the coaches performing their responsibilities that make or break a program. With that said, Watch out, here come the ’Noles. Those kids we did land, want to be part of something greater and FSU benefits the most because of that.
Although there have been problem child players on many CFB rosters
I just couldn’t see us taking Dorsey without having Deering as ‘insurance’. I would’ve liked to snatch a player from UF, but only if they really wanted that player. I believe ultimately they did want Dorsey. Or at the very least, not want him at FSU. We are in rebuliding mode. And that, along with us lagging behind alot of our comtemporaries dollar wise, behooves us to make sound personel decisions.
The video interview with Dorsey and UF signee Johnathan Dowling was telling. As it illustrated (however briefly) the differences in those two kids. I truly wish Dorsey the best and will have an eye on his career (He probably needed to leave the state of Florida anyway). But it may have been a bit too risky to take him on without at the very least, have Deering as a talented player to provide insurance just in case Dorsey had problems. UF has won two NC’s in four years. So they can take the hit of 31 players arrests in 3 years (Will Hill not being one of them. If the murmurs are true, UF is damn lucky). We can’t
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 4, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
To take Dorsey...
we would have really needed to have Dungy on board…..and I’m talking about Tony Dungy…..
Seriously, man.
If Jimbo is going to be successful, he’ll need to learn how control these types of character issues. it’s all part of being a successful head coach.
History tells us that it’s hard to win games with a teamfull of choirboys.
I’ll be honest. I wanted Dorsey. Lots kids screw up, and they deserve a second chance.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 4, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe its too early to
gamble on a Dorsey…..let the foundation marinate a couple of years…….and then the “team” can help keep a player of risk in line…………..I don’t really think Jimbo will be able to baby sit….the Job is too demanding……The Staff should be able to help……..
I don't really see it as a "Gamble".
Teams lose players all the time, and it’s expected. One of 2 things happen.
We get Dorsey, he pans out, life is good.
We get Dorsey, he doesn’t pan out, he is dismissed…where does that leave us?
Right where we are now…
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 4, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Basically....
It boils down to…..He didn’t fit the need of the team…….maybe some character issues thrown in there……heard some games he would show up and shine and some games he would barely show up……JMO…….but I see your logic……You’ll have to take that up with JIMBO……
He didn't fit the needs of the team?
Our defensive situation is too good for a 4* safety who runs a 40 yard dash faster than most of us can sneeze?
Sorry. I just don’t see that. Easy to tell yourself that after NSD when we missed out, but we missed out. IMO you need guys like that.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 4, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I never was High on him.....
So it don’t bother me if he is not on the team…..I guess you didn’t hear nothing Jimbo said yesterday…….
Why so many elipses (......) ?
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
Typing a bunch of elipses after each sentance is annoying.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
I heard Jimbo say we didn't get all of the guys he wanted
He also said we got enough to win. I love the class we got and it will be a great class but if we had gotten Dorsey it would be that little bit better IMO. Either way it was a fantastic day for the program.
From this exact article.
Dorsey is polarizing and dynamic. And he is the one kid on signing day that FSU’s coaches thought they would get and did not. Dorsey chose Michigan on signing day just a week after he decommitted from UF and committed to FSU on his official visit, largely because he has family in Ann Arbor. That Michigan promised him he could play offense didn’t hurt its chances. I’m told that the coaches were disappointed that he decommitted because they felt he had turned himself around somewhat,
I am sure they wanted him but like Jimbo said they got what they needed, too bad he wasn’t part of this class.
Our class would have been 'great' with Lemonier
I’d have traded Deering and Dorsey both for Lemonier (As long as Dorsey didn’t go to UF).We still don’t have that prototypical edge rusher that we need. I don’t even like watching film on Powell because he’s so damn frightning. However, our next step needs to be dominating SoFla in recruiting, especially metro Miami.
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 4, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Watch out for the kids currently on our roster
They were being coached by…. better yet they were not being coached, at all. They were wasted away being told to do the complete opposite of what any DE is supposed to do. Markus White will bounce back and produce, plus you will see a lot of Bradham/Terrel/Jones/Smith on the edge in obvious passing downs. We will get to the QB a lot more often this year
Jimbo was paraphrasing the Rolling Stones
on recruiting.
“You can’t always get what you want
But if you try some time, you’ll find
You get what you need”
We should be very pleased with this outcome.
I was using Dungy as an ex....
a person with similar charater……..and was using a bit of sarcasm……..as in Tony Dungy mentoring a couple of troubled athletes……
I would say Jimbo and Dawsey have done a good job keeping our once troublesome receiving corps in line
No need to look outside the program. This isn’t Bobby’s 3 strikes and your out program anymore
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I wasn't saying bring
in Tony Dungy……but I was referring to if we would have landed Eric(Not saying Tony was gonna be hanging around the team)…..but Tony could be a great influence on a kid………it was for a bit of sarcasm…I guess I failed..
safety
i think we are fine at safety and i’m not worried at all .
Harley can step up for us. Also Will be interesting to see what they do at corner. Reid/Jenije/Rhodes seems like 3 good guys for only 2 spots. Maybe they move one too get the three best players on the field at once.
by Cee on Feb 4, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Harris will start over all 3 of those guys IMO
and Jenije will be the other. No one knows as this will be open competition and we are lucky to have one of the best DB coaches in all of football to evaluate all of the talent we have.
Maybe its the Surrency, Pressley, White MO
But I’d like to see the guy play D1 before anointing him our next starter
I’m hopeful though.
I agree like I said that's a prediction and we are lucky to have Stoops to evaluate DB's
when it comes to secondary Stoops is second to none.
Even Saban and Stoops himself (Before he got the FSU job) were after Harris like crazy. His skill has been well documented and a lot of people seem to think he has a future in the league. It also doesn’t hurt that he is 6’ as we haven’t really had a bigger corner since Chromartie left.
I agree. I liked Dorsey because of the fact that he is “fast”. But, to me it also seemed he’d likely not pan out the way we expected him to, and too be honest, we need to shake the “Criminole” persona.
by RoyalOaksNole on Feb 4, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Compared to what's going on in Gainesville, we've got a long way to go.
Taking one questionable kid is NOT going affect our “persona”. Especially if Jimbo handles it the right way (like sending him to UNA or UTEP)
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 4, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
It blows my mind
that in trying to forge a new direction for FSU, and preaching so much about character, we would take a kid with known character issues, who is so likely to drag our reputation through the mud again, and have folks saying FSU hasn’t changed. Would have been s stupid move, imo.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
too soon, though.
nm
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
At this point I'm neutral on Dorsey. I'd rather see him get his stuff together at UM than UF for damn sure
But lets cut the BS. No one wins with choirboys. It’s nice to have high character guys on the team, no doubt. But you will not win a NC recruiting the Harlem boys choir. It’s just a fact of life. When Oklahoma was dominant in the 80’s the starting quarterback got popped for selling cocaine to an undercover FBI agent. When Colorado was really good in the early 90’s, they also had players on the team with ties to Los Angeles gangs(More associates than affiliates). As soon as Colorado stopped reruiting south central, they fell off the map. Now I’m not saying commiting felonies are a pre-reg for winning, just stating facts.
The best thing you can do is hope that the Holmes’, can rub off on some of the players from bad backgrounds. And it’s not always background, it’s also numbers (You mean to tell me rich folks always do the right thing? SHEEET!) You have 85 players, somebody’s gonna make a mistake.Joyner and Luc had challenges growing up from what I understand, but they turned around their lives at a young age. I’d take LJ in the foxhole with me anytime. And most people wouldn’t want to set foot in where he lays his head at night. So guys like that can be a positive influence of talented kids who may go this or that way so to speak. And oh yeah, UF gets protected by the media. 31 arrests in three years and practically gets a free pass. When you win, thats just an additional perk I guess
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 4, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Bama Just won the NC.....
Not sure if they have character issue over there…..but if they do they won’t be there long……
Their boosters take their top players on fishing trips to avoid getting into trouble in clubs.
And you’re fooling yourself if you think they don’t have some guys with rough backgrounds.
Its a difference
When your from a rough background, and know how to carry yourself………Dorsey may be one of the “You can take him out the hood, but cant take the hood out of him” types……….
And when he slips up, then he gonna get Micheal Vick’ed by the media, and that gonna bring alot of negative attention to the team…….
Don’t really understand the reason for the first sentence……
The fishing trip literally happened, with no repercussions, and I can assume that's standard.
In general, I am saying — similar to hogtown — that their community is going to protect the Tide players. No bad press is going to leak out of there, short of another SEC coach ratting them out (Fulmer).
Is that what happened with Will Hill at UF?
Because as long as incidents are reported to school police and not local authorities it generally can be kept in-house.
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 4, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Na, we're talking Julio Jones & Co. here.
And I think there’s a fair amount of evidence that non-Univ. folks in Gainesville and Tuscaloosa also “play ball” in this regard.
You can't hide
arrest reports……not saying BAMA is a choirboy school, but they haven’t had many off the field issues under Saban……
Why 'cuff and take 'em in, when you can just send 'em home?
No paper, no foul.
In 2008 Bama won the Fulmer Cup for most offseason arrest. UF was 13th and FSU was tied for 31st
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2008
Florida was very lucky in 2008 and 2009 because most of their many, many arrest occurred during the season, and in the Fulmer Cup Scoreboard, teams only earn points for off-season arrest.
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup
In 2009, the USF Bulls earned the #1 honor. Unfortunately, thanks to Preston Parker, Rod Owens, and Maurice Harris we finished tied for 4th. The Turds finished tied for 12th, and again they were lucky due to most of their felons getting arrested during the season and those arrest not counting. However, in 2009 Saban’s thugs did a decent job of staying out of trouble during the off-season and they finished tied for 44th.
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2009
Here is the one I always like to shove down my Turd friends throats though. I always refer to the All Time Fulmer Cup Dynasty Standings
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_Dynasty
in which UF is #2 All Time and a Ellis Jones Award (for the worst offense of the year. In 2007: Ronnie M. Wilson of Florida, for firing off a semi-automatic rifle during a road rage incident). Alabama is ranked 4th, and due to the bad 2009 discussed above, FSU rose to #28 after being tied with UM at 51st the previous year. The Canes have been behaving very good lately and they dropped all the way to 75th. Keeping perspective though, and something I fail to mention when discussing the All Time list, is that the Fulmer Cup is only in its 5th year, and I choose to keep this fact from being known.
The Ellis Jones Award I mentioned above, is considered the Heisman Trophy of the Fulmer Cup.
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Ellis_T._Jones_Award
Here is the fun part though. The Fulmer Cup was started by 2 UF Alumni who run the EDSBS (Every Day Should be Saturday) blog which is a Gator Blog (now part of SB Nation) for the purpose of keeping track of athletes arrested, who must be enrolled, and by assigning points based on the seriousness of the offense.
Little did they know or realize how soon their own alma mater, the Gators, would be competing for the embarrassing title of being so close to the #1 college with the most athletes arrested during the offseason in the entire nation.
Despite being a Gator Blog, those guys are pretty funny and do a good job slamming everyone, including their own at the University of Felons in Gunsville, and they are the ones that assign points.
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2010/01/14/lo-the-fulmer-cup-beginneth/
In case you are interested, here are the new 2010 standings and the rules where the rules are explained.
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup#Rules
So what is the point of all this and what does it have to do with story.
I dunno. I forgot.
Maybe, I guess, only to point out that we are not a bunch of choir boys either and if Dorsey would have come to FSU, I would not be upset until he screws up. Also to counter that Bama hadn’t had many off field issues under Saban comment, but they did have a good 2009.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
by FrankDNole on Feb 5, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
BTW, if you click on the incident on the Wiki scoreboard, it will bring up the arrest.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
Wow, we were a Student Union brawl away from being #1.
Good thing it happened during the season. I’m can’t stop laughing about the Ellis T Jones III award.
by mountain renegade on Feb 6, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
Bama is definitely not Choir Boy U.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Bama does shady ish with kids with that have serious academic issues
Nother conversation though
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 4, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of Michigan fans aren’t very happy with taking this kid. The multiple arrests and grades problems have them reevaluating their “Harvard of the West” persona. One thing is for sure, he is a Rich Rodriguez guy. There is no way he’d be recruited by the old Michigan. It will be interesting to see how they can get him into school.
I figured Rich Rod told Dorsey he could play offense.
I wanted us to get him, but I’m not too upset about it. The kid is a risk and we have had too many of those make us look bad in the past.
Thanks for the recap FSUn
Just to play devil’s advocate, do you think depth-wise we are still one short at DE and S?
I say that bc Jimbo’s comments seemed to imply
1) The great ‘players’ we have will enable some movement in position so WR could be a S and vice-versa.
2) He would have like more big bodies but didn’t get it
And any personal take on whether yesterdays signings led to Commack & AJ Alexander switching positions
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 4, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
Wow...Someone got their feelings hurt.
You’ve made your point (multiple times). We get it. Get over it, and possibly attempt to contribute.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 4, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
You see I would look at a different way. I would look at as I was one of only six, so I must be very special. Be proud, Be strong, Be happy.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
I think Jimbo....
Likes to prepare for the worse…….You never know how many people get hurt, homesick, or just dont pan out…….so being versitile…will help you be flexible when you need position changes….it also gives a recruit more options……
I would've gladly taken Dorsey.
You almost always take a kid like that. If you take a kid with his skills and get him out of his environment and bring him to a place with structure and coaches/staff who can “mentor” him, you take that chance. But that’s the last I’ll say on that.
As for Chad Abram(s), the Recruiting Show that Boosters put on last night had an “s”.
So by only taking 24...
…is the expectation that we may not “cut” as much dead weight from the current roster as was suspected earlier? Or is it more to oversign for next year? Or some combination of the two?
I think we need to evaluate the kids before we cut them
I would still expect 7 cuts and we might allow for 1 or 2 more kids to graduate on our dime than we expected.
Do we know if all 4 EEs we counted against the 2009 class? That would allow us to take up to 6 EEs next year...
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
If they did not count against 2009, we would not have been able to take 29 this year.
But, in any event, is there any limitation on filling your whole class with EEs as long as you have the spots available.
Solid insight
and I agree on Dorsey. I wish him the best. Some kids start out from a tough place and never breakthrough. I’d like to see it happen for him up there. The point we agree on is setting the new culture. It has to be done and Fisher knows what he is doing.
Character and filling our needs. Now we just have to get to the scheduling issue. Look at these undefeated teams over the last few years… Utah, BSU, TCU… none of them have top recruiting classes. But they play a schedule that ends up getting them lots of College Game Day pub. Yeah I know, the conferences…
We are on the way. I rec your article Bud (with the caveat of suggesting spell check) to anyone who questions what has gone down with our NSD.
Absolutely top notch assessment
We could have used another defensive tackle but I would hate to reach. If there is a rash of injuries Werner and Cummings could move there if needed. You saw the gators do this also with Patchan and the Pounceys. They have played on both sides of the ball.
Injuries to McDaniels, McCray and McAllister would most certainly necessitate this.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Lets hope the Mc's don't go down. The crazy Mc Trio.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
beefy Mc Trio? Eh, I'm no good at this.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
big mac attack
nm
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
Nice summary
Best point is that ALL signees should qualify/enroll – not sure if we have ever had that.
Have we been selling Odell short?
Last night Jimbo called him the best DL coach in the country. I also liked what Odell had to say, though I don’t think he’d be a very good newscaster after seeing his pre-recorder booster plug.
I'll give him the benefit
that at his age it was probably kinda hard to see……he started off pretty good….but towards the end…I think he had difficulty seeing the screen….and a day or to of practice would have helped..
yeah when they opened with that plug
I was like err… this is horrible. But he’s much battle live and when not “on script”
by StM on Feb 4, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think so - Odell is solid
I have no idea where the Odell bashing keeps coming from. The guy gets unjustly blamed in recruiting all the time. It is blasphemy to talk smack against anyone in the Seminole Rap.
Odell can coach with the best of them
His recruiting is still up in the air, although most people that bash his recruiting ability do it wrongfully by pointing out recruits that he had nothing to do with. I think we got some great talent and size at DT now and I know he will do a good job developing that talent, lets just hope he is able to keep up with the rest of the staff on the recruiting end.
Odell
He do what he’s been doing(putting kids in the n.f.l.)
DT are not necessarily the ones that should have all the sacks
Much of that blame falls on a coach who is no longer here
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
So what is a DT coach?
Is he just supposed to coach 6 guys all year? He needs some results. After Dockett FSU has not had any impact DT’s.
I think Odell had some family tragedies that slowed him down.
I think he’s kicking back into gear. Great guy and I am rooting for him.
I love Greg Hudson.
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
We've got some hornball coaches...
They could field a football team of just the coaches kids if they wanted.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 4, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha i noticed that too.
And was trickett a little tipsy or is that just how he is?
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
“Let the record show that the witness made the ‘drinky, drinky’ motion.”
by mountain renegade on Feb 4, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think thats just how he is.....
My first time hearing him speak……I thought he was just joking at first…..I gotta watch it for the 3rd time………Coach Trick and Hud are my fave……..Relax…..
Yeah. I'm thinking that's just his natural disposition.
We’ve got a good mix of characters. It’s weird that Trick and Jimbo are so close. Completely opposite personalities.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 4, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s him based off of Jimbo’s comments about not being able to send Hudson and Trickett out recruiting together.
However, we rarely saw this side of Trickett under Bowden.
This is going to be a fun staff.
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
Stoops and his man Eliot seemed kinda stiff, but I think they'll loosen up as they get more comfortable.
I think Stoops was a bit nervous and guarded, knowing that the old staff was the problem but at the same time not wanting to bash Mickey.
Eliot was more like the kid just out of college who just landed his first big job. I think he has the most to prove and the least to work with.
Helluva lot more here
than at Rice……..Stoops and Eliot are just a couple of football nerds…..very smart guys
I don't really understand the comparison to Rice
If you are trying to say Eliot has more to work with here than at Rice, I agree.
Academic standards being what they are, he will likely have a more difficult time teaching reads.
His guys also have to compete against much better competition than the Rice kids.
He is a small young white guy who has not played DE and needs to win the respect of grown as men twice the size of him as well as the respect of recruits, HS coaches, and parents who want their kids to succeed. Respect is not a given.
He is not a giant like Hudson.
He has not sent a bunch of famous players to the league or have the family name of Stoops.
He does not have the reputation and success of Gran.
He does not have the recognition of Craig.
He has not coached under great HCs.
Hud & Stoops have very talented guys.
O’Dell has very talented young guys that have received some coaching.
Eliot has guys who were coached by Allen and does not have standouts like Jones, Luc, Bradham, Joyner, Reid, Harris, Rhodes, McDaniel, etc.
If Eliot’s guys succeed, it will be on Eliot. But I do not think he will get automatic respect from the fans, players, recruits, HS coaches, parents, or the public at large simply because Stoops wanted him.
It sounds like he impressed Jimbo with his knowledge of the game. They said his DEs grade out high, so I am hoping he’s something like a Trickett for DEs. I also liked to hear him mention that you have to teach technique and then move on to teaching reads.
I think our DEs will listen to him b/c it sounds like he has a lot more than Allen that he can teach them. I do not know how quickly he can teach or how quickly our DEs can learn.
I’m just saying that he has the toughest job and the least to work with.
Yesterday was full of news about big program recruiting, and how DEs are so important. They were talking about Bama, UF, and some other schools building teams around DEs.
Someone help me out. I think they were talking about the Parcels or Saban process of recruiting in that there are 4 key positions that have to be filled to create a good team and that if you satisfy those positions, you can just fill in the rest.
1. QB
2. D-line
3. ?
4. ?
Did anyone catch that? I want to say safety and o-line, but i am not certain.
Thats all I was saying
If you are trying to say Eliot has more to work with here than at Rice, I agree.
The talent level at FSU is a lot better than Rice……
it was apparent that Eliot is young and white
But is he really that small? I thought he was a bigger boy.
While coming up the ranks at FSU, Darin Eliot needs to just dot his I’s and cross his T.
(Spelling Bee humor. Where my nerds at tonight?)
by The K-Man on Feb 4, 2010 8:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stoops left a lot of silence in the description..
He seems to be the “fun” coach of the bunch
He could've just commented on the film like Coley did.
He could’ve talked about hips, recognition, and the attributes he looks for in defensive players at each position and commented about the strengths of our guys.
Some coaches are talkers (Jimbo, Coley, Gran, etc.) while others are not (ex., Belichek). Maybe Stoops is the latter or maybe he was putting more time into relocating his family than thinking about what he might say about the recruits.
I think he had a few.
Kinda reminded me of Joe Peschi in My Cousin Vinny with the black leather jacket and the “whaddya got?” comment to the MC
I would be hammered!
Can you imagine the amount of hours these guys have put in? All of those hours were high stress and everything worked out as well as most could have hoped. I think it is great that the coaches would be having fun together. I doubt anything like that happened in the last regime.
he was tipsy, in my opinion
but he was fine..
he had a lot to celebrate….
I cant wait to see what the Def goes to.
I know we will be better next year but I cant wait to see it in 2 or 3 years. It could be realy strong. Also would like to see a multi-D with some 4-3 and 3-4.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
I think you will get your wish.
We should be in much better position to use a situational 3-4. I doubt it will be our base though.
by mountain renegade on Feb 4, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I expect a mix of man & zone
a) It forces the QB to read the D, delaying the throw a little and giving our guys a little more time to get to him.
2) Guys might have trouble with the zone reads. I expect more zone against weaker teams so that we get the opportunity to practice without jeopardizing the game. That would somewhat temper the mistakes that could come while our guys get more practice and experience with the zoen reads.
D) With Harris, Joyner, Rhodes, & Reid, we have the kind of athletes who can play man, but I expect more cover 2 than cover 1.
Joyner) Misreads cause errant passes and opportunities for turnovers. Also think we can create more confusion about what coverages we are in if we let Moody lineup at LB on occassion. Then we would have flexibility to bring blazing speed blitzes from the S & CB positions w/o really sacrificing coverage abilities.
We really do not need to be playing much cover-1 against most of the offenses on our schedule
but I like the athleticism of our defense a ton.
For sure.
I think we can expect to see a few different packages with this D. We can really throw different looks at people, instead of the opposition always knowing we will be in man coverage. This way when we are facing a guy like BJ Daniels, (hopefully) he won’t be running for 80 yard touchdowns because we’ll be playing more zone and our backs won’t be completely turned on him.
I definitely agree with your Moody assessment. We could even throw a 4-4-3 or 3-4-4, with him as the 4th linebacker, and mix up him blitzing or him dropping back – not to mention the run support.
Another thing to consider is Reid lining up in a nickel set covering someone’s slot wr (assuming Harris & Jenjie are on the outsides). Obviously that’s only going to be applicable when the opposition is running 3 WRs sets.
Maybe I am getting ahead of myself, especially since I’m not very familiar with Stoops……….. but regardless – the flexibility we have will be amazing. Sorry if I am babbling, I’m just wicked excited.
Which is why I think Jimbo likes athletes who can fit into different roles.
I can also imagine G5 or Frank at FS while the other plays NB in 3rd & long. Joyner played S in HS, and you have to find ways to get your playmakers on the field. Whichever line up to cover the slot could blitz while the other rotates up in coverage.
Stoops will have plenty of options. I just don’t know how complicated he’ll get in his first year.
Great wrap-up. The biggest thing to take from this year's class is that we got kids who are high on talent AND character
and not just plain high…
We didn’t take a lot of risks, which should help with attrition and maintaining the core of the class. No FSU fan should be the least bit disappointed in this class. Ferguson, Lemonier, Dorsey, et al were bonuses. They would have been nice, but were not needed. We also beat UF head-to-head on at least a couple of big time in-state recruits. FSU has to win some battles to stay in the war.
Although UF took the undisputed #1 (although disputed by Rivals?) class in the country, they took some risks by going out of state for 12 of the 28 signees. Also, given the Gators penchant for arrests, Meyer clearly takes risks on character issue guys. We also beat UF head-to-head on at least a couple of big time in-state recruits. FSU has to win some battles to stay in the war.
I am PUMPED about this class folks!
They're future leaders too for other players
On and off the field
I think werner has a chance to do something........
breath of fresh air with his attitude.
seems like good kid. will be rooting for him, just as hard as every other nole!
yeah
he seemed genuinely happy. Given his age, I think he is probably a lot more appreciative of the value of a scholarship, as well as being a bit more mature than the 17-18 year olds.
by StM on Feb 4, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Big fan of Werner
He’s almost like taking a JUCO since he is already a bit older. After finally watching his film yesterday, I am very impressed with his technique and discipline. I think he will end up in the two-deep next season.
Foosball is the devil
Werner is very long
like those werner-dogs… heehe
when he streatches out, he can stretch far…
good film..
You have to like Werner
He seems so innocent. Also, you have to like the fact that Jimbo liked recruiting him because he was one of the only people to tell him the truth. Obviously, I hope things work out for him… Will Bjoern be able to leave after his sophomore year (if all goes well) due to his age?
wishful thinking
we seem to never go after or follow thru with big time OL recuits
maybe tricket scares em off
Pettis in 2011. Ed Christian was thought to be a Nole lean earlier this year.
You’re right about Trickett. That little bastard is terrifying. Can you imagine he and Coley on recruiting trips? Good God.
by Randall W. Spetman on Feb 4, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Trickett likes to see Sr film. Most of the big time recruits you need to get on early. I wouldn’t be worried about it. Trickett has a very good idea of what he is looking for and can coach them up.
They've gotten on him about that
told him to offer kids a bit earlier with the understanding that if they slack off as a senior, he can rescind. We have like 10 offers out now.
If he dies.... he dies
Bjoern Woerner – 11/27/2010
Postgame interview
Rocky IV. Drago
People at the NSD party I was at all said the same thing
by osceolafan850 on Feb 4, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Atfer the coin flip: "you will lose"
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
Another great read(post)
Damn… This site f-a-n-t-a-s-t-i-c! All the write-ups here are superb. Second-to-none in my book.
BraveNole (’71)
BraveNole
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THIS SITE IS F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C!
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Anyone see where the new UF d coordinator is already leaving?
Going to the Bills.
Yes
And I’d bet the farm Urban knew this before NSD. Notice how he didn’t say anything about it, though? Not a chance, since it may have disrupted his 5-star-studded defensive class! I’ve been less and less impressed with Urban’s “integrity” as time goes on…
Urban is a liar
It makes me sick to talk about him. I do not believe a word he says. I hope that rubs off on other people soon.
Duh U?
What do you guys think about Miami? This site was calling their class one that might “sink the program” (or something along those lines) and they ended up with the #13 class according to ESPN? Do we still think this class is might sink them? Hoping you say yes of course. ;-)
Sorry.....
Guess you can’t edit. Meant to say “class IS ONE that might sink them”.
ESPN Called it the biggest disapointment of the day
the consensus was that they would lock up their big targets with them visiting for Probowl weekend. Instead all of the big names signed else where. They have a lot of projects in the class and that is ok because their team was very young this year. I think what hurt them the most is the fact that they stepped on a lot of toes in South Florida by not paying enough attention to the local High schools. If they can’t pull in another great class like they did in 2008 next season they will be in trouble.
If you notice, the two high schools where they pulled most of those 2008 recruits were ignored
Trail and Orr (BTW) went to UF and MNW kids went to Louisville and USF. That has to burn the coaches there a bit. Granted, Billy Rolle and Shannon are tight so the MNW-Miami pipeline will likely remain. But, I think this is part of why Gran is here. He and Coley can tag team the area and steal prospects out of their backyard. They make excuses as to why they didn’t ‘pursue’ Miami and SoFla talent. Gran and Coley need to arm themselves with those quotes next recruiting cycle. Controlling that area in recruiting provides us with the quickest path to being able to go toe toe with UF on the filed
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 4, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Great comments guys, thanks
But to my original question, do we think Miami’s class will really hurt the long term health of their program?
I think they are saying that it’s a wait and see. Miami could afford to take the kind of class they did because they are a very young team. However, you can’t step on coaches’ toes and expect to have long term success. They’re class is a mystery at this point because most of their players are projects. It could swing either way.
I'll say it:
Few, if any, game changers. Miami needs those to be able to compensate for the lack of coaching, as we did under Bowden’s regime. Yes, they are in trouble, because the less exitement they generate, the more difficult it will be for them to recruit well enough to remain afloat.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
They did pretty well with the OL & RBs
They needed help on the O-line.
On D, they took some projects; guys with speed who need to add weight. I would say their D class is average. Trouble is that average won’t help them climb to the top. They are still better than most ACC classes. Whether the class will sink their ship depends upon:
A) how many make it in and stay in
2) how well the projects develop, if they develop at all
D) how badly they have aliented the SoFla coaches and whether they continue to do the same next year
original question
But to my original question, do we think Miami’s class will really hurt the long term health of their program?
The long term health of Miami’s program doesn’t entirely depend upon what FSU does, it also depends upon VT, GT, and the rest of the ACC. If Miami’s recruiting is on par with those teams and
1. Their kids make it in & stay in
2. They develop their projects and
3. They do not alienate the HS coaches beyond repair
Then they have a shot at playing us in the ACCCG, and if they win they go to a BCS bowl. Then their program’s health is not hurt long-term. If I were a UM fan, I would be concerned with those three things in that order. One or two kids per school might be explained and forgiven, If he continues on like he has with Marve, Chandler, etc. and continues to try to find 2* out-of-state sleepers instead of going local, then UM has longer term problems that will take time to fix.
by NoleLaw on Feb 4, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To answer your question more directly
No. Reason being, is it’s not the class per se, that can hurt them, it’s the residual effects that their class may or may not have in recruiting their primary area. If they land a top five class next year, then that almost null and voids this class(Which is horrible),almost.
Also, I learned that quietly admission standards at UM has increased. Making a lot of kids at risk of not even qualifying to go to school there. They do not follow the NCAA’s sliding scale. Donna Shalala instituted a hard scale with both a minimum GPA and SAT/ACT score that is above NCAA miminum. From my understanding (I have to qualify this since I’m so far away) schools like Carol City, Edison, and I believe formerly MNW have had very low academic grades(Don’t know about BTW, Central, Killian or Southridge. So if thats the case, these schools are ill equipped to prep kids to be competent college students. If anyone has more concrete facts regarding the other schools I mentioned, feel free to correct me. Carol City and Edison are the ones I’m certain have had problems. Say that to say: How can your program flourish when so much of the local talent cannot have a hard time getting in?
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 4, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes,
it is a bad class. Doctors can bury their mistakes. Coaches have to feed theirs for 4 years. They took 29! And had no real reason to do so.
I'd never seen or heard Gran speak until last night.
I was giving some play-by-pay to a buddy and he asked for a description of Coach Gran.
The word that popped into my head was “disarming”.
I can imagine why he succeeds in the high-profile recruiting areas.
by The K-Man on Feb 4, 2010 9:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Miami is ruining their relationships
There were 28 players ranked 4-stars or higher in Dade or Broward counties and Miami only signed 2 of them (their biggest recruit was from Georgia). They only signed 3 of the ESPN150, as opposed to 12 in 2008 – which westcoastnolefan mentioned was loaded with kids from Miami Dade.
It will remain to be seen if this downward trend continues with their South Florida recruits or if it somehow gets repaired i.e. regime change.
Right
Its their backyard, was my point. So other teams (1 being FSU) are going down there and stealing kids from under the U, at least this year. If this trend continues, it will hurt their program’s health in the long run IMO. However, I am not saying that would make FSU automatically better – it was more of a comment on Miami’s program.
Great write up
We got a lot of potential at a lot of different areas of need. To get 5 lb all over 6’2 with room to grow is crazy.
I'm pretty disappointed
that we didn’t take any more LBs named Nigel.
It’s like a Monty Python skit: “What, you’re name’s not Nigel?”
Based on this year's recruiting class,
after a 7-6 season, with limited recruiters, I’ve got to think that if we can improve our record even just a little bit, and look a bit more like a team on the rise, rather than on the decline, we’ll have an even better class next year.
Thanks for the re-cap FSUn.
I do appreciate your positive outlook. It’s a reminder that my expectations are still far too high. I really thought we would get Lemonier and I assumed Dorsey was golden after this weekend. Regardless of what you think about Dorsey, it’s a blow in talent to lose that kid. It can definitely work out for the better, but he’s immensly skilled.
Initially I was dissapointed in missing on the big 3. However, we haven’t been a national contender in 10 years, have had more negative national press than Amy Winehouse and recruit in the most competitive state. It’s a great compliment of Jimbo Fishers recruiting abilities and coaching staffs direction.
Again, thanks to you and your TN staff for the excellent recruiting coverage and information. It’s not on the best out there….it’s free.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Awesome recruiting class!
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill
by EddieWouldNole13 on Feb 4, 2010 6:56 PM EST reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but we have 3 Nigels and 3 Mc’s on our roster…what other dual or triple names do we have?
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill
by EddieWouldNole13 on Feb 4, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
There is..he also goes by James Wilder Jr.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill
by EddieWouldNole13 on Feb 4, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
love the name...LOL
Miaminole, whoever is a stud athlete out there, we’ll have to refer to him as a Nigel McChristian. That will be the given nickname of the top recruit(s)….we can rate them as a 5-star Nigel McChristian, a 4-star Nigel McChristian, etc…
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill
by EddieWouldNole13 on Feb 4, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Great writeup bud
Some have argued that this class is not an improvement over the last 3 classes. They argue that that at 10th, the class is not much better than last year’s #7 ranked class of the #9 rated 2008 class. But I’ll direct you to this:http://www.rivals.com/teamrankenrolled.asp Look where those 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes ended up when RIvals.com re-ranked them in August, based only on the kids that got into school! After all, if a kid doesn’t get into school, he cannot contribute.
Did you mean to make that a hyper link?
Oh, and I am especially glad you addressed the difference b/w the 06 classes and this one. It was getting unbelievably annoying. Similar to people who were seriously asking about Downs and Mizell.
IMO, the underlying disappointment by some is because we didnt “close” strong. We didnt steal that one guy. The Bobby Bowden miracle didnt happen. Obviously a big part was not getting a few guys that we hoped to get, but looking back, I am okay with that. There was a quote by Mack Brown that he gave when asked how he felt with so little buzz on his team. According to the article, he couldnt be happier; the reason being that he had his class locked up months ago, and they were all locked and loaded by 1 or 2 in the afternoon, all 26-29. The correlation that I am thinking is that Jimbo is also very proactive, getting guys early in the game, which was not a Bobby Bowden thing. He closed strong, but he didnt generally have guys selling the program for him (read: EJ Manuel) So yeah, there is a lot of thoughts running through my head here, with the main heading being “I AM EX-EFFING-STATIC” about this class. We went 7-6 last year, and we pulled a monster class.
It is an exciting time to be a NOLE. You are either carrying the spear, or you are running from it!
Kirksey waited too long to be a nole
From today’s Daytona News-Journal, “Kirksey had wanted to attend Florida State, who offered him early, but the Tallahassee school pulled the offer after Kirksey failed to give an early commitment.”
Maybe an offer to build relationships with 2011 Mainland recruits
Mainland has the two studs next year, Marlin Lane and Cortez Davis. Both are currently committed to Clemson. Davis would be a nice safety addition at 6’ 5". BTW, I’m glad I joined the Tomahawk Nation, long time reader of the awesome nole coverage on this site. Keep up the great work fellas!
The most tell-tale sign of the day was during the afternoon presser..
In the presser, a reporter asked the question,“You have talked about the versatility and the flexibility that this group has, do you have the play-makers that haven’t been in abundance in the last 5 years?”
And Jimbo corrects him and says, "I think we have them on the team now!! I think this class, I think people under-estimate the young people on our football team. I’ve said that before, there are a lot of guys we are looking over, and just because they haven’t made huge contributions ……… we gotta get them in the right positions, do the right things, and develop them. I think that developing these players is the key. We always talk about recruiting, but we don’t talk enough about developing the players! The programs around them, the systems around them, to benefit; the mental, physical, psychological, and all those aspects, and there are a lot of .. on the team that I think are BIG-TIME play-makers. I really do!! And I think these [recruits] can also be in this group, there’s some in this group, so I think we will have plenty of play-makers, I really do!!
Exactly
Its the system more than the stars that make a recruit successful. Sure its nice to see FSU have a stacked class with what scouts call ‘elite’ talent but in the end its the guys who have the right character, attitude and coach-able potential who are the real ‘stud’ recruits.
Look at Boise State; they don’t know what a 5 star recruit is but they do know what winning is. They thrive off making treasures out of every other team’s recruiting trash with great coaching and development. I hated when Bobby said ‘oh we’re just one good recruit away from being back’ when it was obviously a coaching issue, not a talent one.
FSU, UM, VT, and many others would look as good as Boise if they had the same schedule
How many “studs” does Boise send to the NFL?
This has been buggin me, Lemonier said the hardest part was listening to the coaches and trying to decide who was telling the truth and who was lying. Jimbo...? Who was he talking about ?
Your best bet woud to be go back through the NSD threads as it was discussed in length there.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
Starts with tdchrisdavis' comment at 1:03
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/2/3/1290308/1-pm-2-pm
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
on espn today was article on jimbo
in it
he said
that
lemonier called him in the morning and was completely confused
said his “computer was locked up”
My name yes....willie downs no
I know he left the school he was at but i was wondering if he returned anywhere else and if maybe there was a slight chance we could still get him in the future…..jimbo believed him to be our best recruit last year even over REID so with that bold statement I would like to get him on campus someday
by TheSituatioNOLE on Feb 6, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions

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