FSU's Schedule: (we switched up Clemson and UNC)
9/4 - Samford (D1AA)
9/11 - @ Oklahoma
9/18 - BYU
9/25 - Wake Forest
10/2 - @ Virginia
10/9 - @ Miami
10/16 - Boston College
10/23 - Off
10/28 - @ NC State (Thur)
11/6 - UNC
11/13 - Clemson
11/20 - @ Maryland
11/27 - FloridaIt'll be out later today. We are still unsure about the placement of BC/ UNC The schedule sets up well. We hear that Clemson has to play @ UNC the week before they play FSU. A road game before Miami isn't ideal, but FSU has a real shot to start 7-1
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We definitely wont play Labor day
VT and Boise are labor day, i thought. Regardless, we don’t play on labor day this year.
and the BC game above is correct. I’m pretty sure the entire thing is right.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Feb 4, 2010 10:24 AM EST reply actions
huh?
Do you mean Labor Day Weekend? Labor day is monday, Sept 6th, and I’m fairly certain our first game is on 9/4.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Feb 4, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yay for not being the last game of Labor Day weekend!
The waiting was hell.
I also have bad memories of getting hit on by some weird guy at a bar whilst watching us play Miami a few years ago. The score was 10-7 the whole time, practically. I’m too lazy to look up what year that was.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
Playing on Thur before Clemson is a little bit of a plus..
Also having Maryland before UF is a huge plus. We need a tune up first…lol
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
I agree with Thursday before Clemson
but we need to have a bye or div-2 school before UF from now on. Maryland still took us to the wire last year and we need to rest our starters to whoop up on the GayTurds.
Not quite DII or bye,
But the days of struggling against the likes of Maryland should be over, finally.
Rejoice. I have full confidence that backups will get mop-up duty in that game. When you make this statement:
Maryland still took us to the wire last year
…you need to qualify it with “back in the days when we didn’t care to field a defense.”
You said 'should'
We need to have it be ‘are’ over. DII for the UF tuneup as soon as its possible to schedule
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 4, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Technically...
D-II is impossible for a D-I FBS team to schedule. That’s one thing that irks me, D-II and D-I FCS are 2 separate things.
Not ragging on you, I just hate seeing that.
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
you risk injury
walking out of your house and driving to work… Dosent matter who u play you are risking an injury
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by hntdeerliv4noles on Feb 4, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
You risk much less injury if you pull your starters in the 2nd quarter when you're blowing out a D-II team.
Also the size and quality of players your starters face in a D-II team is significantly different.
I agree on the injury front, much less "stress" on the program.
But still, UMd won’t be the taxing nail-biter that it has represented over the last 10 years.
Altogether in favor of “FCS” or bye prior to Florida, besides one issue… we’re (semi-annually?) required to play a Thursday night game due to ACC sched, which puts us in a Catch 22 — either play someone the week ahead of UF, or play someone with 2 days of practice in advance of an ACC road opponent. Ideal arrangement would be FCS prior to weak ACC Thurs game, and bye in front of Florida.
The final impediment to any of this is that, while UF is one of the top dogs in the SEC and have a lot of pull on scheduling, I imagine Tobacco Road isn’t so much concerned with elevating FSU’s interests over those of the Carolina squads.
Not as good as the tune up UF always have.
FIU and the Citadel (I think) the previous two year. Whew, those are tough for a team of UF’s caliber.
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Wow our schedule sets up really nice even with BYU and OU in there.
We seem to get most tough ACC games at home this year with the exception of Miami. The ACC should be ours for the taking, at least our division should be anyways. If this staff can pull off an ACC title and trip to a BCS bowl in its first year our recruiting class next year will make Urbie crap his pants and send him right back to the loony bin.
As soon as Jimbo can change our schedule
I figure 2011 we will already see us drop a few opponents like USF or WVU.
Well here is what we currently have scheduled:
Hopefully, as BS37 says, we can drop a couple of the future dates (though I was looking forward to heading to Morgantown).
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Feb 4, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks guys
Ok, so 2013 is when we’ll start to see more home games vs the lower ooc opponents and less ooc travel,is this what you guys see?
Not entirely
We can back out of some of those games and I am sure we will back out of a few. You can probably throw away those WVU match ups. USF will probably be dropped (Unless the staff wants to stick it to them but that’s a no win situation). I imagine AF will be gone ASAP, we don’t need to be playing against Triple option teams the risk of injury and the prep time for those games is too much. I think by 2011 you will already start to see some changes. OU will probably stay on our schedule for the home leg but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the others dropped.
I know it goes against TN wisdom,
But I think we need to keep USF on the schedule, to spank that azz and make up for the program defecation that we experienced in the game in Doak.
I know there’s risk involved, but we can’t cede the Tampa area to USF and give the appearance that we’re afraid to play them. Show the world (recruits) unequivocally who is #4 in FL.
by arrdub on Feb 4, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely!
Before we played them, we had nothing to gain by playing them. Now that we’ve lost to them, we have TONS to gain by playing them. We need to walk into their home and spank ’em silly.
Respectfully disagree
That was only one game. USF is not on our level as a program yet. If we play them again it will be the same as it was this season: we have nothing to gain and everything to lose. We need to schedule with making BCS games the priority. If they want us, they can win the BE and make it to the OB.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
However
If winning is the most important thing, will it really matter that they beat us 1 time during the worst year in FSU football? I don’t think so.
Cupcakes aren’t held against a team in the grand scheme of things. I know that some of your USF friends will mock you for it, but they’ll get over it when we’re playing for championships. You are also assuming a win. It would certainly be worse to go 0-2 vs USF.
To my knowledge, yes
But we’d make it back with the extra home game, win, and BCS game.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
you think we'll drop the return game vs OU
or is that just too much of a big($$$) game at Doak to drop?
I know Stoops knows how to play big boy football, so I’m sure he wouldn’t have a problem with it.
I think we keep that game
But I’d rather drop it. The price tag may be to steep.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Stoops Bowl! Haha! It needs to be a regular thing playing OU. We can beat them.
by RoyalOaksNole on Feb 4, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I might be thinking reactionarily to a loss with such an acute sting....
and I do understand the merits of the elevate-win-totals-at-all-costs approach.
What’s your prognosis on USF’s prospective ascent as a program? Perhaps my sentiment is trying to plug the dam with your finger… and that a win against them would do nothing to stem the tide… but I am greatly concerned about the traction they can gain via a ready made path to an annual BCS bowl against a-lot-worse-than-ACC-competition, coupled with the unchecked 1.000 winning % over us that they can now boast.
Due to strengths outlined exhaustively at TN, their development as a program will not likely be based on stealing recruits from UF… so FSU and Miami become the logical victims. Certainly, as you highlight, winning is #1 on the list of what we can do to prevent this, so I agree with you there… but wouldn’t “SCOREBOARD” be another valuable card to play?
An empirical counterpoint on this front: the Authors and Perfectors of Cupcake Scheduling themselves (i.e., UF) put Miami back on the schedule while Miami was vulnerable and that has seemingly paid dividends for them. So perhaps we evaluate closer to the 2011 season and determine whether they realistically stand a chance of beating us… drop them if they do, keep them if they don’t? Especially if they fail drastically improve on their #70+ recruiting rank next year.
by arrdub on Feb 4, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with the dividends re: UF/ Mia
But I hadn’t thought about just how winnable the Big East is. Still, if they don’t have a stadium. I guess I am split on this. I’d rather us handle our business and win as many games as we can.
It's impossible to know the true dividends of UF over Miami.
So I am speculating there, for sure. And I don’t know how much traction Skip is going to get with the “we beat FSU at Doak” line with recruits, since it wasn’t his team.
It is certainly a gamble, but I wonder if it might be a chance to keep them in their place for a couple more years while we right our ship. Ultimately, I think that is determined by how much the kids are willing to listen to their pitch vs. ours. So if Fisher & Co. seem to be running into a confounding level of resistance against them, then maybe we try to slam the door on them.
Put it this way… I think adding a loss vs. an ACC foe and a win vs. USF is better for us than dropping USF and not losing that ACC game. I trust they will make the right decision… I’ll just say I don’t think it’s a black and white answer. I won’t be overly disappointed if they stay on the slate, because there is something to gain.
How much of a factor was UM's victory over FSU in recruiting?
Do you think the USF win was what swayed Mitchell? Or caused us to lose any other recruits to USF?
Sorry, I just don’t see this head to head thing as a significant factor unless one team is blowing the other out, like UF over FSU.
Thus, even if we play USF and win, it does nothing for us unless we blow them out. If the game is close, then they get to say, “See, we are right there with FSU as a program. We are both BCS schools and the games are close when we play head to head.”
I don't think Mitchell or Chandler end up at USF without that win.
Again, just my speculation.
I do agree that it needs to be a blowout. But given disparities in talent between the two teams (again, see recruit rankings), there is no reason it shouldn’t be.
Mitchell went there because of location and playing time. Chandler went there because Miami "dropped" him.
Neither of those are definitive.
Mitchell would get more playing time at FIU. Chandler getting dropped by Miami eliminated 1 of 118.
I believe Chandler would be at UL and Mitchell would be at FSU, aside from some extremely marginal factor. No W over FSU would be enough to tip them the other direction.
Ever read “The Tipping Point,” by the way? Very poignant commentary on USF’s situation right now, in my opinion, and central to my argument on this front… something external needs to tip the Bulls back to obscurity, or else settle on dealing with the Big 4 henceforth.
The Big 4 is fine by me
As long as were not 3rd or 4th.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
They can only make it a 3.5 until they win the Big Eat and BCS Bowls.
Doing that would make it 4, imo. I don’t see it being 3.5 for a few years, at the earliest, if ever.
Big East is a free pass.
It’s almost inevitable for them to win it. Cincinnati is headed for decline… is Stewart going to keep WVU competing? Pitt is OK, but do we trust Wannstedt to guard against USF and the BCS berth?
Best thing that happened to USF
Was Leavitt smacking a kid.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Did CMU decline post-Kelly?
USF is a sub-.500 team in the Big East for their history and have never truly competed for a title (best finish being 4-3). They rarely finish in the top half of Big East recruiting rankings. Don’t forget Strong at UL to go along with Schiano at Rutgers, and Wanny at Pitt. WVU is a respectable program and should rarely not compete in the BE. Cincy just hired the coach CMU hired after Kelly left there (hence my subject line). That coach kept them at the level Kelly built.
My point is, if the BE is a free pass, why hasn’t USF done it yet? It’s not like Leavitt was a bad coach. He just wasn’t a great coach. In that free pass of a conference, they’re 17-18 in their 5 years.
While I agree with you two above that getting Holtz was the best thing to happen to them, I don’t think that means they’re the automatic conference champ year after year. They had a pretty lousy recruiting class this year. Only 18 commits and a 2.89* average according to Rivals. Good enough for 6th out of 8 teams. Great job at nudging out Syracuse and UConn to avoid last.
I think Leavitt was a Zook.
Crazy enough to pull in a few recruits, incite a fanbase, and get a program off the ground, but was a bottleneck for further success. Looking at the program as a whole…. it is in the heart of the most fertile recruiting ground in the country (FL), improving academically, developing a huge alumni base, and has the potential to bring in massive capital/support from its community.
As far as the Big East, I stand by my assessment of UC, WVU, Pitt…. I did neglect Charlie at the Ville. However, I think Charlie will be a great recruiter, but then… not so much. If I’m wrong about that, then he’ll be short-lived at UL, and end up in SEC, possibly follow Spurs at USCe.
Rotgers is as Rotgers does. They had a Northwestern or Wake Forest type dream season, but their ceiling is also limited.
I still think the Big East is a cake walk, even compared to the ACC. It won’t take much for USF to make the small jump to the top.
If you're talking about USF at its full potential vs the other schools at theirs, I agree.
They have a lot of work left to get there and half the conference to jump, too.
What makes you think USF can make that jump?
Where do you seem them ranked in the ACC heiarchy?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
First and foremost,
The rest of the conference is that bad.
Holtz seems like a good coach, and there’s no reason he can’t pull in better athletes than the other teams, given USF’s locale.
Believe me, I was overjoyed seeing you post the sub-70 recruiting ranking yesterday. Just want to keep it that way.
I think I just disagree with you on the rest of the Big East being that bad.
lol
Not going to try to change your mind, but, again, I’ll say, the rest of the conference has been that bad for years and USF still sucks in the Big East.
They rank towards the bottom in FB and total sports revenue within their conference
They have other intangibles but I believe it is highly unlikely they are consistently on top of the Big East
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I like to hear the revenue point.
I do put locale higher on the predictor of program success, though.
With locale in your favor, as long as you’re pulling in enough cash to pay a quality staff, and the administration is willing to commit a large enough percentage towards football success, then you’ve got a large part of the equation in-hand.
As far as ACC heirarchy?
Should have ability to get just below FSU, UM, VT, UNC, Clemson without too much trouble. (BC is a team I can’t fathom, so they’re excluded from the equation.) Alternately, I think each of those ACC teams would rule the Big East.
Me putting 5-6 ACC teams above a “potential” top dog Big East team definitely illustrates my disdain for that conference.
Forgot about GT.
Again, though, that speaks to how lousy the Big East is. Won’t take a juggernaut to command that league.
I don't think anyone will ever command the Big East
It is a spring board for good coaches (i.e Brian Kelly)
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
All it's going to take is one quirky figure...
with an attachment to a particular school/community. Then they’ll make a long run.
Agree on the balance though, success will usually translate to exodus.
It is DEFINITIVE that those recruits made MARGINAL decisions to USF.
Correct?
Take away any INDEFINITE number of positives about the USF program, including that win over FSU, and they most likely lose out.
If we disagree on that assumption then there's no point in arguing.
Different inputs = different outputs.
But I think the press regarding their respective recruitments suggests they could have been swung to another team fairly easily. (E.g., they were both committed to other programs within a day or so of NSD.)
All I'm saying is
it’s pure speculation that USF beating us is what swayed them. I don’t think that would rank as the most important reason for signing with USF.
BCS conference
Close to home
Playing time
All much more important factors, imo. While they beat a 7-6 FSU team, they got clobbered by a 9-4 UM team. So the, “Wow, Big 4” talk should’ve been squelched a little.
Tried to communicate this:
FSU win was nowhere near being “most important factor.” Those you listed have to be in place for a program to compete. But taking away ANY number of smaller factors, including that, could have swayed them elsewhere. That’s what I’m implying by “marginal” difference.
In the end, just lamenting we gave them the extra ammo to potentially pull in their top two (and only “blue chip”) recruits.
I could only see that impacting Mitchell.
Why would it impact Chandler when his other option was Louisville?
As for Mitchell, I think it was apparent that that game wasn’t his deciding factor since he actually chose us prior to meeting the new coaching staff and seeing their recruiting class/depth chart.
I think our recruiting/depth was more of a factor than that game.
I’ll agree it played some small role but don’t think it factored into his decision.
If I remember correctly...
Mitchell didn’t go to many camps either, due to financial reasons I believe. He may feel the need to stay home close to his family.
I could be wrong.
I would not play them if our potential benefit necessitates we blow them out
They have done very well against top 20 teams in recent years and FSU hasn’t been blowing many teams out in recent years.
"They don’t have a stadium."
They do, however, play in what was just named by ESPN as the top stadium in the Big East. Raymond James is a great atmosphere. How big of an impact does not owning the actual stadium have on their revenue?
Big.
They pay a huge chunk of change to rent/lease, whatever the stadium for their games. And having the stadium that far from campus certainly decreases student involvement. At least I’d have to think so. That’s a 12 mile/30 minute drive from campus.
by tricknole on Feb 4, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think facilities are important to recruits in this order:
1. gameday atmosphere (they’re fine here)
2a. weight lifting/training facilities (nothing to do with stadium)
2b. locker room/practice facilities/player lounge (no idea what they have here, but presumably not directly impacted by playing at RayJay)
4. other bells and whistles (plasmas in coach’s offices, etc.)
5. broader campus (reportedly not so good)
USF has no revenue
It keeps their budget for the coaching staff down, which stops them from getting the best assistant coaches and also makes their job a stepping stone job. If Holtz wins two or three Big East titles how quick do you think he jumps to the SEC or ND if they come calling?
Also who says USF is fine with gameday atmosphere? The stadium is never brought up as one of the loudest or toughest places to play. The area around it is full of Big 3 fans. They never have any truly “big” games for the fans to truly get excited about. Add all that to playing in a conference seen as inferior and USF has a lot working against it.
by osceolafan850 on Feb 4, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with everything but
the stadium not being tough and there never being big games. They’ve had big games against Cincy and West Virginia the past few years where the stadium really filled up. When it fills up those one or two times per year, it’s tough to play in. I only say this because you said “never”.
/nitpick
"Really filled up..." compared to non "big" games.
I wasn’t sure it ever sold out so refrained from specifically saying “sold out”.
I was at the WVU and UCF games and I can assure you they were not filled to capacity
I saw the UM game on TV and from what I recall neither was that.
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I know
I am just say they dont nor have they ever packed the house for a game.
2009 Attendance %
Cincinnati- 96.7
Connecticut- 95.6
West Virginia- 95.5
Rutgers- 93.6
Pittsburgh- 82.1
South Florida- 79.8
Syracuse- 79.3
Louisville- 77.3
I think playing at RayJay hurts them, would you rather be at a school with a smaller capacity that is near full or at a big stadium with 15K empty seats that doesn’t get loud
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I'd rather play on campus where I can get drunk at my place or my buddies, walk to the stadium for kickoff, walk back after the game and keep drinking
than driving 12 miles/30 minutes to get there. I think that adds into the noise/attendance situation (could be wrong, don’t know how their students fare attendance-wise).
What guarantees does USF have that opening a new stadium would fare any better than UCF’s one year wonder at "Empty"house Stadium?
Does RayJay sell alcohol?
If so, like the Tuck for us, that’s a built-in advantage, right there. Get those rednecks fired up on-site.
College kids don't like paying 8 dollars a beer
Plus you have to drive home in traffic drunk as opposed to walking home
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
I never bought a single beer at a basketball.
I’ll be DAMNED if I’m paying $6.50 for a beer. AND wait in line for 15 minutes to get it.
Not big games
They are what passes for a rivalry game at USF I guess. But has the Big East ever been on the line for the Bulls? Have the games been two highly ranked teams playing each other? If not how are those games any different than say Wake playing NC State? And would you put either of those games in the same class as FSU-Miami or FSU-Clemson?
by osceolafan850 on Feb 4, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think a top ranked opponent counts as a big game. That’s just me. If you don’t think so, that’s fine. And I’m pretty sure they’ve been ranked or at least in contention for the Big East while playing some of those ranked teams.
I think the above would explain how it’s different than Wake/NC State. I’m not sure why I’m being asked to compare FSU/Miami with USF/Big East opponent. That wasn’t what I was making my comment in response to. Overall history, tradition and rivalry isn’t the same but that doesn’t mean it’s not a big game at that point in history. They were 5-0 facing an undefeated Cincy team at home last season. That wasn’t “big”?
If we offer to play them they can sell that they are on our level even if we beat them every year
They can say come play for us and you will have a chance to beat those guys at FSU and make a name for yourself. They will “be in the same league” as us by association only but recruits will buy it if they sell it right. We are better off not giving them that luxury. Although I would love to stomp the crap out of them just to not let them have a winning record against us.
we need to quit this way of thinking
FSU has nothing to gain by playing USF — just by playing them, it shows their potential recruits that USF is on the same level. FSU actually loses by playing them (no matter if FSU beats them on the field). They are too much of an up-and-coming program. UCF? FIU? different story. FSU won’t be in any recruiting battles with them. unfortunately, with USF’s rising program and it’s location in one of the larger cities in the south, i think FSU will be in more recruiting battles with USF down the road.
Disagree with one part
I think USF only gains from a close loss or win. If they were to get blown out by 17+ in their own home it just would go to show that they aren’t ready to compete. Notice how all that talk of a big 4 was gone once UM crushed them? But it would be a gamble on our part.
by osceolafan850 on Feb 4, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
They're not improving as fast as we are
Our quicker ascent with our new kick a$$ staff is gonna show on the field. “Stay down little brother”. A 3 out of 4 winning spree will silence the big 4 talk and lure recruits to play with the big boyzzz..
Want to drop the 2012 AF game in particular
In addition to the injury risk in trying to defend a triple option, isn’t there always a risk of a sea level team getting surprised by an inferior opponent when the game is played in a high mountain elevation?
That 4 game strech to close the season
will be rough. Could be the 3 best defenses we face. On the bright side, by that time, our young defense may have gotten it together by then.
Big Fan of Big Spear Diplomacy
That is true but all 3 of those teams will have to rebuild their offense
A) Clemson might loose their QB to baseball draft and won’t have Ford and Spiller anymore.
2) UNC’s offense was awful this year and hopefully will still be bad next year.
D) UF lost Jesus and his roommate on offense and lots of starters on the OL and DL so we should have a shot.
Green) 2 out of 3 would be amazing out of these games though.
A) Not likely. I believe FSUn said his draft stock has dropped since HS
2) Coud their O be worse? Probably not, and NCNole said 3 best Defenses.
D) We can only hope, but you saw the same class I did yesterday.
I agree that this will be a tough road
and my point was that although they will most likely be the hardest defenses we will see all season their Offenses will all have question marks and that should even the playing field a little. If we can steal 2 out of 3 I would be very happy.
Congratulations, Clumpson fans
You just beat a team you were FAVORED to win against.
It will be nice to see them in the crapper in a few years.
I just love it when fans from other places make Philly look good by comparison.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
Gee, thanks.
As one of like, what, 6 females in this place, I always look good.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
They can't even spell their own name without a little thought. Cut them some slack.
C-L-E-M-S-O————N!
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
favored by 10!!!
that was really rediculous
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by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 4, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Except for one thing, IMO, ...
they put the away fans in the ozone but the put the away band where it echos around the whole stadium. Chiefs is already loud but when they put us in the little section last year it was nuts.
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's very hard to believe that our defense won't improve at least 30 spots next year. That would only put us in the top 70 anyway
As long as we are bigger along the front seven and now that we have competent coaches, it’s possible. Regardless of how young the defense will be (If Luc can play, I think he’ll end up starting before season’s end. He enrolled early for a reason), I don’t see that as being too much of a problem in the grand scheme of things. The youngsters on D will have an advantage eventually because they won’t have to be purged of bad habits
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 4, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I think a lot of people are going to be shocked at how good our defense is going to be next year.
We have had top 10 recruiting classes every year but one so the talent is there its all about mentality and coaching.
But is it the right type of talent? Our players have been undersized for a while. They also have to learn a new scheme. It’ll take time to get them up to snuff on everything.
From what Jimbo was saying yesterday, we have some guys that are bulking up.
by mountain renegade on Feb 4, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly but it takes time to get the right kind and amount of bulk. Also, they’ll have to learn how to use that bulk correctly.
I agree completely.
We also need to implement better schemes. I think all of these things will begin next year. My expectation is to see much improved defense that is unpredictably inconsistent. Defense can be taught much more quickly that offense (which is why defenses often dominate in spring practices). However, consistency comes from habits, which take time.
by mountain renegade on Feb 4, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
partially learning a scheme > running around like a chicken with its head cutoff scheme
partially learning a scheme & playing 11 on 11 > knowing a scheme down pat while playing 11 on 10, i.e., having to play with Mangum
After watching last night, I get the feeling Eliot : DEs as Trickett : OL. I liked what Eliot was saying about first teaching DEs technique, then teaching them how to read what the offensive play was so that they could be in a position to make the play.
Also liked
Hud looks like he could go put on the pads and play if we needed him to. Monster of a man.
I think Stoops is still a little uncertain as to what he has to work with and what he’s going to want to run. Once he figures it out, all of our D coaches should be able to teach their group the new schemes.
I get the feel.....
Coach DJE and Stoops are football nerds……..Stoops seems like he would be the RainMan of Defense……..I’m glad they are aboard……They seem very smart……
I was thinking the sae thing about Stoops.
He strikes me as a quiet, but very intelligent type of guy. He pressers probably won’t be as entertaining as Andrews. But, I’m betting they will also have a lot less excuses.
by mountain renegade on Feb 4, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
It feels like our whole coaching staff is perfectly made to work with one another
On defense you have the fiery LB coach in Hudson (just became my new favorite coach) and Odell’s got some fire under him too. To balance Hudson out you got the smarts of Stoops, he says a whole lot with very few words. Stoops knows what he is talking about and I got the same feel for Eliot (his comment about teaching in depth principles while at the same time making it simple to learn was refreshing). This coaching staff is going to make a huge impact and we could see a bigger turnaround by the end of next year than most of us would expect.
Viloria was also the man, all of our players should bulk up well this off season. I see all of our returning players and EE’s to be very close to the perfect weight in time for the season, it will be a question of adjusting to playing at their new weight but Vic knows his stuff and should get the job done there.
On offense there is fire everywhere with Coley, Gran and Trick with Jimbo and Dawsey being a little more passive but all of them know their craft very well. I expect Will Tye to have a huge impact this year. He will be a nightmare for defenses and Coley got his man to get the job done at TE.
Combine better play with what is expected to be worse offenses the defense will face realitive to 2009
And I think it is VERY likely we finishin top 70, and are playing top 50 D by the second half of the season….meaning our numbers might be deceptively inflated in the first half.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 4, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I expect the D to improve as the season progresses and perform better than their ranking.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Our defense improved.....
when the ‘old schemes’ left……..we have some impact players too with the 2010 class….well atleast with the JUCO players….
Just with the departure of the old staff and their scheme
we already improved at least 30 spots in ranking just based on talent lol
You mean other than Maryland?
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Right. Maybe the sarcam wouldn't have been lost if ...
I had kept the “oh, burn” in there.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I actually spoke with someone in the athletic department about this.
He reminded me that the ACC has rights to our schedule and pretty much tells us when we can schedule our OOC games. And if you look at the schedule, NO ONE in the ACC has a OOC game in the month of November, except for rivalry weekend.
I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.
Is this something that could be addressed at league meetings?
Would it not be in the ACC’s best interest to send Clemson against USCe and FSU against UF with a week off?
More like Clemson, GT and FSU (maybe Miami in the future)
since they all end the season agaisnt in-state, ooc rivals. If they convince the ACC that more prep time for those big games would help the image of the ACC, it’ll get done.
Thursday night games
Why don’t we ever play any of these games at home anymore? The last one I remember was against Clemson where Greg Jones dragged their whole team into the endzone.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
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FSU refuses to host
Thursday night games are a logistic nightmare
That's right
I was an undergrad for that one. It was the first time FSU had ever given a “Fall Break,” which was essentially that Friday off.
I also seem to remember we have a fairly good record in these away Thursday games.
2009: @ UNC – W
2008: @ NCSU – W
2007: @ WFU – L
Ok well that’s 2-1 but hey that’s still a winning record
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
well it depends on how far back you want to go
The ’96 loss to UVa was on a Thurs, right? Plus the Louisville loss. We also lost to NCST in ’06, I believe.
So yeah, 2-1 in our last 3, but I think 2-2 in our last 4, and probably close to .500 overall.
That being said, I’m not scared of NCST on a thursday night this year.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Feb 4, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I looked at the 2006 schedule and didn't see a Thursday, I'll look again.
Yup, Oct. 5, 2006 was a Thursday. And I had forgotten about the U of L game. Thanks for reminding me of these as my roommate and I have this argument quite frequently for some reason.
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"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Due to us having offices and classes & stuff at Doak, it is much more than a shell holding a field.
You’d have to shut down business for about two days. Due to tally’s location in the state, it is also hard to fill the stadium up in the middle of the week.
They also close off Doak about 2 days before game day and I believe the day after.
So the stadium would be open for those who run stadiums, etc on Monday of that week. Not a big deal, I know, but it still impacts a good number of people.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's the administration's preference, due to the Univ. Center.
Because of the academic space in the stadium, requires us to shut down operations a lot more than another campus might..
Not only that
But parking EVEYWHERE was a nightmare. We have had one thursday night game(UNC maybe?) and it was absolute chaos. Never again until they give students more parking
I was a that game
Jeffy wanted to run the clock out with under 2 min to go down 14 before the half. Mr. Jones had other plans and busted a 64 yd run off and completely changed that game for us. He had a number of amazing runs that game.
No that was 2003
The thursday night home game being referred to was against Clemson in 2002.
Appreciate the Info....
I remember that game now……Kinda looked like Earl Campbell dragging the whole defense…..
Homecoming
Anyone know which date will serve as Homecoming Weekend?
Without knowledge, and just based on looking at the sched
I’d guess it almost has to be BC. outside chance its clemson.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Feb 4, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Nice
this schedule actually isn’t that bad. Get BYU, Ok out of the way and surround those games with some cupcakes. Miami and Boston College games are must wins and if we could go into the off date 6-1 I would be stoked.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I think they try to do it early to encourage people start filling the stadium up again.
So I am going to pick Wake.
Without factoring in our opponents schedules I have us at 8.2 wins
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
That's funny
I did mine a couple weeks ago and came away with around 8.2 wins, if I remember correctly. Great minds…
I want to go 7-0 against everyone else and go 2-3 @ OU, @ Mia, UNC, Clemson, UF
That’s 9-3. Now, I realize 8-4 is more likely. But I think 9-3 is doable!
I think that is very doable 9-3 or 8-4 should put us in the ACCCG
and that would be great for the staff’s first year.
I think 3-2 is possible
Oklahoma can be had but it is on the road. Miami isn’t a tough place to play anymore and 40% of that stadium will be Noles. Clemson and UNC can both be wins and who knows with UF. I think we will definitely lose at least 2 of these though.
Big Fan of Big Spear Diplomacy
I think 9-3 is realistic.
This is why I am hoping we only drop one game before the off week we have and hopefully we sit at 6-1. If we just lose to OK and squeeze by Miami I think it sets us up good for the second half of the season.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I agree that 3-2 is possible
But I’m also not ready to expect 7-0 against inferrior opponents.
I realize FSUn said this is what he “wants” to do. If we’re talking about what we want to se happen, then I want to go 3-2 against the better opponents and at least 6-1 against the schlubs.
by Mr. Tito Carlos on Feb 4, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
To go 3-2 in these 5 games, I think it's critical to
beat Miami. Then you need 2 out of the remaining 4 games, 3 of which will be at home. However, Clemson, UNC, and UF will be tough, physical games and we might be beat up by the end of the year.
Big Fan of Big Spear Diplomacy
Sun Life Stadium
Or whatever its called now may not be a tough place to play like the Orange bowl was, but UM is still a good team that always gives us fits.
True. It's not the house of horrors
that the OB was but I’m not dismissing Miami. They have some tough games on the front end of their schedule and if they drop a couple, their fans will be jumping ship.
Big Fan of Big Spear Diplomacy
That contract ran out and Sun Life bought the rights for the next few years.
I want to say 4 or 5?
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by geoffissiffoeg on Feb 4, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Jimmy didn't wanna pick up another one?
Too funny
Come on guys! You saw the war party last night.
These coahces are super krunk! 11-0 when the gators roll into town.
signed
nextlevel
Oh, you want percentages?
9/4 – Samford (D1AA) 100%
9/11 – @ Oklahoma 60%
9/18 – BYU 75%
9/25 – Wake Forest 90%
10/2 – @ Virginia 80%
10/9 – @ Miami 51%
10/16 – Boston College 65%
10/23 – Off
10/28 – @ NC State (Thur) 70%
11/6 – Clemson 65%
11/13 – UNC 70%
11/20 – @ Maryland 80%
11/27 – Florida 50%
That equals 12-0 baby…write it down. I don’t care how it actually calcualated. We’re at least favored in almost all the games so we going UNDEFEATED!
I want to tell myself 9-3
I just can’t do it yet. I really think, given normal odds, one of those five teams will be down when we play them… just not sure which one yet.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 4, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions
We'll be 16-0 heading into the swamp---book it!!!
Too bad NextLevel flamed out….if he had different coaches for his entire career, he could’ve gone to the league. What a shame to see such unbridled optimism and homerism go to waste.
and yes, I realize
that we don’t go to the swamp this year….it was a joke….you had to be here, I guess.
9-3
barring injury, and and tradtional Thurs night road game collapse
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Feb 4, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions
Players still play
Even the best coaches and greatest motivators can’t get 18-22 year olds to play hard every game. If the players have enough character to overocme these types of games, we’ll be fine. If not, it will be considered a collapse.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
True. But I have a feeling that our coaches will be instilling more mental toughness than we are used to.
by mountain renegade on Feb 4, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
To a degree
Remember our team will be hungry from the get go. One common theme from all these new recruits was “Bring Florida State back.” Now we go undefeated in two seasons or something then yes I can see them getting complacent. BUt these are young hungry kids who want to win and seem like they want to be taught how to win.
It happens to every team
regardless of the hunger of the players. Saban coached teams that had yet to win anything and lost to UAB (while at LSU) and La Monroe (while at Bama). Those are two examples that quickly come to mind but my overall point is kids can be hungry and let downs will still happen.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
The thing that stands out to me ....
… is the double shot of extra time at the end of the season. We get a bye week before NCSU — a chance to rest up and perhaps even sneak in a day or two of prep for Clemson, then get TWO MORE extra days after the Pack to rest and prepare for the home stretch. I think that will be invaluable time.
It seems to be the benchmarks for a successful season are:
1 loss or less going into Miami game
2 losses or less going into Clemson game
3 losses or less going into UF game
man, if we start winning again, Urban might try to drop us in favor of FIU.
by jasonole59 on Feb 4, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like your thinking
Having those expectations are real and justified. One less loss somewhere in there would be huge though.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Feb 4, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I’m calling 10-2 after listening to the press rap-up party,I think we lose a close one to OU and another close one to UFaG.
We are going to drop at least 1 ACC game as usual
But 10-2 is doable although very optimistic. I think OU will be easier than a lot of other games. They lost a lot of people on their D including their whole secondary and best defensive lineman. We are bringing back our Whole top 5 offense and if our defense can make just a few stops we should be in good position for CP7 to get us a win. I think the jump in production from our defense is going to surpass everyone’s expectations. I am thinking a Nebraska like turnaround from this past season. When you hear Jimbo talk about the talent already on D you can tell that he really likes the players we have plus the new ones coming in and all they need is to be coached right and eat right. Still 9-3 is my prediction (just a guess btw) with losses to UF and 2 others out of UNC/Clemson/Miami/NCState
I hate playing OU the second game
We owe the cow pie kickers. Later in the schedule, and I’d say no problem.
But, we need time for the new defense to set in, . The youngsters whom we expect to fill some holes won’t be acclamated to D1 football yet. After Samford we still won’t know what we’ve got.
Cuts both ways, I suppose.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
percentages
Just to play by the rules:
9/4 – Samford 99%
9/11 – @ Oklahoma 40%
9/18 – BYU 65%
9/25 – Wake Forest 90%
10/2 – @ Virginia 80%
10/9 – @ Miami 65%
10/16 – Boston College 65%
10/28 – @ NC State (Thur) 70%
11/6 – Clemson 70%
11/13 – UNC 65%
11/20 – @ Maryland 80%
11/27 – Florida 40%
Comes out to 9.28, I believe, which rounds to a 9-3 record.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
The sick part was
between my comp, my cell, and my iPod, I actually had three calculators at my disposal.
NERD!
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
True but its ok I think
They will be replacing the left side of the Oline and the less time they have to get used to game action the better. Oklahoma returns a ton of players next year so its going to be tough, but replacing key members of the oline could be huge for us.
Also all american Dtackle Mccoy will be gone as well as replacing middle and Sam backers as well. Which should be huge for us with ponder making checks at the line and Ill take him against any new starting MLB in college. We will have a chance to get them cought in the wrong defense or he may check them into the wrong D.
So we're saying shoot out on offense,
and the difference is whose defense is ’less bad"?
Although we should have the edge on special teams.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
as far as offense goes
we return our whole unit they have to replace LT, LG and their QB is good but he is not Ponder. I think we steal this game. If Miami did it last year we can do it this year even if it is at OU. ACC teams scare me more than OU specially if we have a good start and our team gets overconfident, kinda like what happened to Miami this year after their fast start.
My best guess
9/4 – Samford 99%
9/11 – @ Oklahoma 45%
9/18 – BYU 70%
9/25 – Wake Forest 80%
10/2 – @ Virginia 85%
10/9 – @ Miami 70%
10/16 – Boston College 60%
10/28 – @ NC State (Thur) 70%
11/6 – Clemson 65%
11/13 – UNC 60%
11/20 – @ Maryland 85%
11/27 – Florida 35%
Not quite sure how that calculates, but I think 8-4/9-3 sound good.
I swear im not retarded......
But yea, I don’t think Miami at home is that big of a deal. I also think they stole last years game from us in one of our defenses worst performances.
Their D isn’t looking to improve as much as our imo, and our offense handled their D easily. I’m fairly confident.
Last couple of years we seem
to have this habit of winning on each other’s home fields…
7.99....9-3 if the ball bounces our way or the defense realllly steps up
9/4 – Samford 99%
9/11 – @ Oklahoma 35%
9/18 – BYU 80%
9/25 – Wake Forest 80%
10/2 – @ Virginia 80%
10/9 – @ Miami 60%
10/16 – Boston College 70%
10/28 – @ NC State (Thur) 65%
11/6 – Clemson 60%
11/13 – UNC 60%
11/20 – @ Maryland 85%
11/27 – Florida 25%
I will be at the Virginia, Maryland, and one of (UNC, Clemson, UF). Outside shot I make it over to Norman for the OU game…
Even though my numbers don't suggest it...
9-3 being more likely than 7-5
Good point
I guess I looked at the total number which at 7.99 was equally between 9 wins (8.5) and 7 (7.49)
8.83 for me.
vs Samford – 99%
at Okalhoma – 40%
vs BYU – 75%
vs Wake – 84%
at Virginia – 88%
at Miami – 63%
vs BC – 74%
at NCSU – 85%
vs Clemson – 78%
vs UNC – 72%
at Maryland – 90%
vs Florida – 35%
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."
8.3 so somewhere from 7-5 to 9-3, probably 8-4
Samford – 99%
OU – 35%
BYU – 80%
Wake – 80%
UVA – 90%
UM – 50%
BC – 70%
NCSU – 80%
Clem – 70%
UNC – 65%
Maryland – 85%
UF – 30%
by PadraicTheSeminole on Feb 4, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions
WTF
We’ve got both @Oklahoma and Florida on our schedule next year? (And BYU?)
Who scheduled this?
Hmmm
We may have in which case I will have to fall on my other reasons to not send a Christmas card to ol Randy.
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Am I crazy, or is everyone giving BYU WAAAAY more credit than they deserve?
What line does 80% correlate with? I think we’ll beat them by 3 TDs, easily. (My apologies if that, in fact, equates to 80%, but I think something along the lines of 90% is closer to the mark..)
We beat them without a defense, with Ponder hurt half of the game. Max Hall’s replacement will be playing in his 3rd game of his career, possibly in 1st game in a hostile environment, against a REAL defense, and in 90+ degree 90% humidity weather, most likely….??? Blood in the water, folks.
But look at it in the context of the schedule
Let down game for us after OU and their Super Bowl. Classic trap game right before ACC play begins.
>>---l>
I just don't think they have the athletes to compete.
They don’t belong on the same field, and it showed last year. We can completely sleepwalk in that game and put up 500+ yards… the odds of us beating them by less than 3 TDs are on par with us losing four fumbles in the game, because that is the ONLY way it will happen.
As a program, they should take 2 steps back next year, while we are taking 5 steps forward.
Outside of their D-line
Did USF have the athletes to play with us last year? Letdowns happen and teams lose to teams they should beat handily. I’ll have us favored, but I don’t think it’ll be a cakewalk.
>>---l>
BJ Daniels is a specimen. Their whole defense is big and athletic.
In general, lots of guys that can run.
Most importantly, you fell into my trap…. I intentionally inserted the 4 fumbles remark referring to the USF outcome, preemptively, because our receivers coming down with dropsy was the only way they stayed on the field with us, and that was a 1-in-10 (at least) statistical aberration, no?
Indeed
Exactly why a 1-10 aberration can occur and a team can lose a game they win 90% of the time. This is how people come up with unrealistic expectations for a season. Don’t underestimate the effect of the week after OU game.
>>---l>
And that's why I'm saying 90% on that game.
To account for a slim possibility that we come out with a -4 or -5 turnover ratio. But aside from that, we simply will not be capable of losing that game.
I'd put it at 85% without the schedule factor
I’ll probably go around 70% with it taken into account
>>---l>
BTW- I think the way we played against them last year
Was an aberration as well. Best game we played all year and it wasn’t even close.
>>---l>
Think I agree with you there -- our defense did nothing.
They walked themselves into turnovers (a la UNC or WVU) that turned the game on its head. Should have looked more like FSU v. GT.
I don’t believe the offensive performance was any sort of aberration, though. This coming fall, our offense will still run through theirs like a knife through…. water… butter offers too much resistance… while I do not believe their offense will come anywhere close to repeating at its level of efficiency.
Solid receivers. (Will be) Good, young QB. Very good all-around defensive unit.
Yes, they had the athletes to compete. We didn’t have the athletes on defense to win. Period. No one will listen to me, but last year’s talent was horrendous.
I think that team's talent (outside of their D-line)
Was 2 TD worse than ours last year. The week after we crushed BYU, we basically took that week off from practice. That was the flattest game I think I’ve ever seen an FSU team play. And that’s a huge statement.
>>---l>
So is a 1 TD difference enough to answer yes to your question?
Outside of their D-line
Did USF have the athletes to play with us last year?
Or is 1 TD too big of a gap?
I would say
That a team that is a 7-10 pt. underdog to another is not on the same tier as the favored team. I think it was closer between FSU and USF than it ever has been last year, but that FSU still should have won 7 or 8 out of 10 times. I know you don’t think we had much defensive talent last year, but that’s a question to be answered next year, I think. With a new scheme, we’ll see how much talent we really had.
>>---l>
Just 2 things.
Then I’ll drop this if you’d like.
I think you have to draw a distinction between being the underdog and being able to compete. They were clearly the underdogs, but had enough talent to compete with us. And competing with us was the original question.
I also don’t think our defense next year will necessarily showcase the talent on the 2009 team. Many of those players will be gone. Many of the new players will be new recruits or guys who didn’t get extensive pt last year.
Take our 2009 defensive roster and compare it to 2004. Bunkley, Travis Johnson, Cromartie, Jerome Carter, Leroy Smith, Pat Watkins, Timmons, BJ Ward, Marcello Church, Busta Davis, Sam McGrew, AJ Nicholson, Ernie Sims, Andre Fluellen, Clifton Dickson, Chris Bradwell, Darrell Burston, Eric Moore and Wimbley. Obviously two of those guys got booted, but that is some serious talent.
Our talent is definitely way down.
Nah I don't mind talking about it
I agree that it’s all in how you define “compete.” Realistically, most BCS teams can “compete” with each other, at least by the definition you’re using. I was speaking more towards those USF fans who claimed to be on our level after the game this year. I definitely think they’re a tier below.
I was reaching when I said next year would accurately reflect what we had this year, although I do think it will be some indication. Obviously we will have some new guys playing, and it will take a while to grasp a new scheme.
I agree that our talent is down, i guess I just don’t think it’s as abysmal as you do. I think we can both agree that it’s on the way up, and this season will tell us quite a lot.
>>---l>
USF isn't even close to the stature of our program.
But that team was more than capable of beating the team we fielded.
And our defensive talent isn’t abysmal, per se, just abysmal for us. We have some very talented players and some solid ones. But we had quite a few more mediocre ones than in the past 20 years.
Or weren't put in position to succeed
by FloridaStateJay on Feb 4, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Depth not talent.
McDaniel and McCray are guys that could play on Sunday. McCray was hurt, McDaniel is young.
I'll call it "DL Quality."
Only 2 prospective NFL’ers in DL crop would be 25-year low, for sure. But I think we might be selling some short… White, Jenkins, Stevens, Dawkins, McAllister, Hicks might have a chance, just not within prior context.
So we have some talent, and some depth, but what we had was under-coached and young.
+10000000000000
I can’t agree with you more. I am really excited to see what Elliot can do with these guys. Jimbo seems to be excited too, did you hear him talk about our DE’s last night? You could tell he was doing his best to hold back and not to rip on Jody Allen when talking about these guys’ development.
Is trick talking about USF or BYU?
Maybe my eyes aren’t aligning correctly, but looks like BYU to me.
If so, I disagree wholeheartedly about BYU’s quality. Just look up FSUn’s breakdown of BYU’s defense prior to our game last year. They were horribly outmanned.
If USF, then I agree, they are/were somewhat talented. They had zero offensive scheme, but that didn’t matter due to the need to simply alternate between zone-read and chuck-it-deep to beat our defense.
Last point, I think our defense did have the raw materials to play at a top 60 level. Scheme/technique accounted for the other -50 result.
USF.
BYU’s QB was a senior I thought. Should’ve been a dead giveaway. lol
Yes, I’ll agree we had the talent to be the 60th ranked defense. But that’s pretty horrendous, imo. You look at the major contributors on defense and compare that roster to just 5 years ago and very few would’ve still seen the field (Bradham, Robinson and Watson). While guys like Moody, Harley, Jenkins, Stevens, etc. may have bright futures, they would’ve been special teams guys at best on past teams.
Ah, good. Sorry bout that.
I think a top 60 D would have held them to -3 points in Daniel’s first game. Their offense looked pretty bad, even against our D, aside from like 3-4 long plays.
Who knows.
Not really disagreeing. Not really agreeing. Just don’t want to talk about that crappy game or our crappy talent/play on defense last year.
Yes, let us never speak of it again.
Until we’re rejoicing over smacking down USF in a couple years, looking back at how far we’ve come.
Wonder what
the weather will be like in Tally for the game against BYU…….lol……my guess is HOT & HUMID
Have we ever discussed if there is anything that can be done to move our games to night games?
Jimbo is from LSU, and knows that having loud fans in Death Valley is a serious advantage. How does LSU manage to have every game at night? I recognize that there is an ACC television contract, but surely there is an SEC contract that mandates certain games be played during the day. I’m curious how they pull it off, and if that is something Jimbo can work on when he starts to implement his scheduling changes.
Plus, it is too hot for 12pm- 3:30 games in Tallahassee in Sept/October. Sell it as a safety issue Jimbo, I don’t care.
Pretty sure TV decides when the games will be...
If/when our record improves we should play more night games…
I agree, in the short term, winning is the only way to make sure the games are later
I was also perhaps mistaken about LSU, they have played an overwhelming number of night games, but not every one:
oreover, Tiger Stadium is also known for night games, an idea that was first introduced in 1931 against Spring Hill (a 35-0 LSU victory). In 2006, LSU celebrated its 75th year of playing night football in Tiger Stadium. LSU has played the majority of its games at night and the Tigers have fared much better under the lights than during the day. Since 1960, LSU is 201–59–3 (.773) at night in Tiger Stadium compared to a 20–22–3 (.476) record during the day over that span
I posted this back on January 9th, so forgive me for it being out of order.
Samford: 99%
Oklahoma: 50%
BYU: 78%
Clemson: 83%
Maryland: 71%
NC State: 69%
Miami: 55%
Wake: 91%
Virginia: 77%
UNC: 65%
BC: 65%
Florida: 39%
FSUn said that came out to “8.42-3.58”. Also, I didn’t note it, but I took into account home/away when making those projections.
* And I find it amusing how another site is making you pay to see our schedule for next season. *
here goes. too bad i think we lose both games i'm going to. (OU and UF)
Samford – 100%
@OU – 40%
BYU – 75%
Wake – 90%
@UVA – 85%
@UM – 55%
BC – 65%
@NCSt – 75%
UNC – 65%
Clemson – 55%
@Maryland – 90%
UF – 25%
So I get 8.2 i think. Sounds about right to me. I wouldn’t mind going 10-2 though.
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Realistic
First off we more than likely will not see an easier ooc schedule until 2013. There is not a magic wand that allows either coach to say hey this game looks tough, I think I am going to drop it. FSU has already signed these contracts with these big schools and their are penalties for breaking a contract. It is a legal argument that takes time and money to do away with none of which major universities like to depart with.
Second, I am excited for our team like the next Nole. I do believe we will make large strides this year, but seriously 7-1? I skimmed through some post and believe I read 10-2. I love the enthusiasm and passion but at some point let’s give our opponents the benefit of the doubt as well. The fact that many of you have us as the underdog in only two games kind of surprises me. Besides the two obvious games in OU and UF, I think we need to have more respect for UM, Clemson, UNC & yes NCSU (a la 2006).
Spot
We only play 2-4 complete teams
Clemson basically lost their entire offense and has a HC who I have no faith in. UNC was horrible on offense with no game changing talent to turn it around. And the talent across the board at NCSU does not equal our talent. The reason why those games became losses for us in earlier years was a lack of coaching and bad scheme. Rusell Wilson is good but not as good as we made him look last season. With the way the schedule breaks there is a legit shot at 7-1 before we come back to earth later in the season, much like UM this year.
10-2 is a dream, but if we go 9-3 in the regular season 10-4 is not out of the question.
by osceolafan850 on Feb 4, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Think you're underestimating...
Offensive capacities of UNC and NC State. UNC had a down year, but wasn’t bad the year prior, and has talent…. NC State was consistently a high caliber offense. Don’t know who they’re losing on the OL, that could change my perspective.
UNC's offense
The Heels lived and died by two WRs that they never replaced. The QBs have been bad for years and the RBs were nothing special, but the WRs from 2 years ago were both amazing. NC State lost by at least 20 points to Va Tech, Clemson and BC. The only team with a defense that they played close was UNC, which NC state sees as their big football rivalry. Russell just gave us fits last year because MA’s scheme could not deal with a mobile QB.
by osceolafan850 on Feb 4, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Little was a junior, don't know if he's declared for NFL, explicitly,
But i do know their defense had some epiphany and ALL decided to return, so I doubt he’s gone.
NCSU had 11th best offense in country
according to efficiency ratings, adjusted for schedule:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/statistics/fei-ratings/2009
Their D also had some insane ammount of injuries
something around double digits if I remember correctly. All of their LBs were hurt they will be a better team and its a Thursday night game which I hate
first stab at it for 2010
9/4 – Samford (D1AA) – 99
9/11 – @ Oklahoma – 45
9/18 – BYU – 85
9/25 – Wake Forest – 80
10/2 – @ Virginia – 90
10/9 – @ Miami – 55
10/16 – Boston College – 75
10/23 – Off
10/28 – @ NC State (Thur) – 70
11/6 – UNC – 75
11/13 – Clemson – 75
11/20 – @ Maryland – 90
11/27 – Florida – 45
=8.84
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
9/4 – Samford 99%
9/11 – @ Oklahoma 50% (think we steal this one OU has more holes than we do IMO)
9/18 – BYU 85%
9/25 – Wake Forest 80%
10/2 – @ Virginia 80% (Should be a W but can be a trap game if we are 4 – 0 and looking ahead to UM)
10/9 – @ Miami 55% (Who knows what will happen in this game?)
10/16 – Boston College 70% (Need this game bad and should get it at home)
10/28 – @ NC State (Thur) 65% (Hate these Thursday night games. NCState had a lot of injuries last year and still gave us a lot of problems, they should be better this year)
11/6 – Clemson 70%
11/13 – UNC 65% (if they get an Offense they will be a scary team)
11/20 – @ Maryland 80% (should be much easier and our defense should be firing on all cylinders by this time)
11/27 – Florida 35% (we keep it close for the first time in a long time but unfortunately the talent gap is too much to overcome.)
8.34 right about where I thought we would be 8 – 4 good 9 – 3 awesome 10 – 2 Jimbo & Co. get a statue and a national holiday.
PS. I don’t know anything and yes I am very FSU biased. My G&G glasses see 14 – 0 National Champs. Go Noles!!!!!
Tickets
Anyone know when single game tickets will go on sale for away games?
road tics
last yr they went on sale in july
I am shocked to see most people here have Clem&UNC far above 50 %.
I feel like these two games can not be judged independently because of their proximity to one another. In addition both those teams have quality players on defense. I just don’t see how we can preform at a high level on back to back weekends. I would not be surprised to see us drop one of those games. Hence one of those games has got to be below 50% confidence. Most people here have us near 10 wins. I would be ecstatic if we won 9 games regular season. I think 8 with a strong chance for an ACC championship bid is a more realistic goal.
I am very worried about UNC next year.
Their D will be insanely good I think.
They will have the best Defense in the country next year imo.
Every body on defense next year will be a 3 year starter except for Reddick who also started last year and was one of the best freshman the in country. Also some of those young WRs are about to really take off, imo esp. Boyd and Highsmith.
So it will essentially be a repeat
of our O against their D, except
A) we are at home
2) we sub smith and haulstead (both of whom Dawsey thinks will go to the league) for goodman & owens
D) we can also add green & shaw into the rotation
- we now have a power back in Smiley that we can use to pound the ball up the middle if they overplay the screens to the outside
memorium) we should have a vastly improved D due to coaching & increased size
Wouldn’t surprise me if ponder rips ’em for 30+ pts
...and....
We’ll play a little defense next year….
…and…
They still have the same bonehead offensive coordinator/head coach that decided to throw it deep on 1st down in the 2nd half, while they were up a score on us, in our territory, and we couldn’t stop Houston from gouging us up the middle to save our lives. Pickoff J. Robinson and then Ponder does his thing.
OU?
I didn’t follow OU this year, what should we expect to face next year?
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