Florida State Spring Football Position Preview: Defensive End
This is sixth in a multi-part series covering the position groups as Florida State begins Spring practice. Halfway through the Florida State Spring Position Preview Series! So far we've looked at Quarterbacks and Running Backs, Wide Receivers, Offensive Line, and Tight Ends/ H-Backs. Now we turn our eye towards the defense. There is no way to sugarcoat how bad FSU's defense was last season. Going straight by the numbers, FSU was 108th out of 120 teams nationally. Common sense, however, says that to go solely by aggregate yardage allowed is silly as it doesn't adjust for competition level. The advanced metrics account for opponent quality and they say FSU's defense was somewhere between 80th to 92nd out of 120. Of the 66 major conference teams, FSU was on the level (or worse than) only Louisville, Kansas, Indiana, Duke, Stanford, Kansas State, Iowa State, Illinois, and of course, Washington State. The last defenses to be this bad in ACC play were some of the mid-decade Duke teams. If you want more comparisons and perspective, check out Closing The Book On The 2009 FSU Defense.
| Defensive Ends Coach Darin D.J. Eliot |
Don't take this analysis as a slam of the former staff or players. But to understand a fix for something, we must first realize that it is broken and understand why it is broken. And to be clear, there were many causes for the poor defensive play. One of the main causes, however, was the play of the defensive ends under the direction of former defensive ends coach Jody Allen. I've covered this at length, but suffice to say that Allen was inexperienced and under qualified to coach defensive ends at the major college level. That he's now working at West Georgia should tell you something. Additionally, there were behind the scenes issues that made players not like him, or at the least struggle to trust him.
Enter coach Darin D.J. Eliot (at right). He's 33 and as we profiled in this story, came to FSU via Rice University. He came recommended by Texas DC (and former Saban DC) Will Muschamp and FSU DC Mark Stoops. He crushed his interview and was hired on the spot.
Additionally, Eliot has produced at least one All-Conference defender at every school where he has worked. Notably at his last stop:
At Rice, Eliot had oversight of the recruiting process; a challenge given the schools' stringent academic standards. He identified and developed two true freshmen defensive ends - Scott Solomon (63 tackles) and Cheta Ozougwu (61) - who led all CUSA linemen with 124 combined tackles in 2009. They teamed for 21 tackles for loss and 11 sacks.
As I profiled in the linked article, it is incredibly tough to get quality players to Rice. I normally would not call a relatively young coach like Eliot an upgrade, but Eliot brings much more experience coaching defense than Allen had in his entire career prior to arriving in Tallahassee.
In a recent interview, Eliot gave some of his philosophies. You can tell he is pumped to be coaching the elite athletes that roam the practice fields in Tallahassee.
Chief amongst those philosophies is to get bigger at the position. As I profiled in the 2009 off-season (Size Matters on Defense (Don't go small to beat the spread): Part 1 | Part 2), FSU's front-7 (DE/ DT/ LB) was woefully small. This directive to the defense came directly from Coach Fisher as he saw this problem and sought to address it via recruiting. For the first time in quite a while, FSU projects to have a front-7 of more than 1830 combined lbs. That is a huge deal as 1830 was the number identified as a commonality among most of the elite defenses. A large part of the improved size will come from the defensive end position- not only this year but increasingly so in the coming years. I know this because FSU recruited larger ends this time (275 lb guys), and projects to have seven 300 lb defensive tackles by 2011, meaning the larger tweener players recruited this year will be playing on the outside.
That increased size will go great with the increased emphasis on leverage. Leverage in this context means engaging a blocker, controlling him, and then shedding him. It is in direct contrast to what FSU's defensive ends did under Allen, which was to try to get around the blocker. Their acts actually made them incredibly easy to block as they frequently ran themselves out of the play. Playing with leverage requires a plan and requires good technique, with angles, footwork, and handwork. It difficult to play with leverage when the only thing a player is ever taught is a speed rush. Maintaining gap and lane discipline will be a huge step int he right direction from Florida State's defensive ends. Nole fans haven't seen that in a long time. The defensive ends are in for a huge culture shock. The culture shock of being actually coached by a defensive coach.
Part of FSU's problem was that the ends focused so much on speed speed speed that they abandoned all technique and leverage principles. And this bled into other areas. While the run defense was abysmal, the pass defense was terrible as well. FSU registered a sack on only 3.96% of pass plays it faced in conference! The 'Noles were the only team that didn't sack the quarterback at least once out of every 25 dropbacks. That was a historically bad performance. The 'Noles ends were predictable and while it was dumb to not use specific plays that would take advantage of FSU's defensive ends in 2008, it was downright reckless in 2009. And for the most part, teams did just that; taking advantage of the defensive ends with plays they knew would capitalize on their undisciplined, sloppy, ill-planned, poorly coached style. Because they were so focused on rushing the passer as if they had a 20 point lead, the defense didn't win the crucial battles on first and second down that set up the negative leverage offensive situation: an obvious passing down!
I have been unable to watch any Rice football, but given the size of Eliot's ends at Rice (large), their accomplishments, and the unlikelihood that they are amazing athletes, I am going to assume that they played their keys, focused on pad level, leverage, hand technique, footwork, gap/lane discipline, and didn't try to do things of which they were not asked to do, thus not opening up huge gaps for through which an opposing offense could run through. I expect him to have FSU's defensive ends do the same. And under no circumstances would I expect Fisher to tolerate playing a no-talent walk on for the sole purpose of spiting the other coaches from whom a coach feels alienated. So let's talk about those ends.
FSU's lone loss at the defensive end position is Kevin McNeil. McNieil had a bunch of talent but often struggled in the areas of work ethic, effort, and academics. Many did not expect him to be eligible for the season, but he surprised and made the grade. But he couldn't hang during the Fall semester and was ineligible for the bowl game. If McNeil had played to his potential he would have been a considerable loss. He didn't, however, and I do not expect that FSU will miss him.
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| Markus White |
The Lone Senior
I really feel like Markus White (#98) was robbed of the opportunity to be great at Florida State by the lack of coaching provided to him in his first two seasons in Tallahassee. The JUCO transfer stands in at 6'4" 260 (per last season). He was a 5* recruit coming out of Butler CC (JUCO). White works hard and is a leader on the team. He's a mature guy who is just dying to be coached. The likely starter at strong-side end, White will likely continue to bulk up this off-season. He can reasonably get to 270 lbs and be the fulcrum for the 'Noles defense. While I don't think he will ever be a great pass rusher, but he could be a good rusher if he was taught some technique. If he has any shot to make the NFL, he must become a lot better against the run. As the strongside end he'll have the opportunity to do just that. I've given up on some of the defenders because I don't think they have talent, but I have not yet given up on Markus White. In addition to all the areas in which he must improve, it will also be on Markus to be a senior leader for the young defensive end group.
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| Brandon Jenkins |
The Up & Comer
#49 Brandon Jenkins is a prospect for whom I have a lot of hope. He was a 4* defensive end recruit and enrolled early, meaning this will be Jenkins' second Spring practice as a 'Nole. Jenkins played some last season in limited duty and looked like a freshman. That is so say he has some moments in which he clearly showed his athleticism and some moments in which he looked lost. The 6'2" 245 lb Jenkins has very long arms which make him play like a taller guy.
With a new coaching staff and closed practices all predictions as to who will start are educated guess at this point, but Jenkins is my pick to start at the Weak-Side End position. It suits his frame better as he doesn't have to take on as many blockers and allows him to use his speed. Jenkins looks like a natural pass rusher and could be a Dwight Freeney type with his long arms and low center of gravity.
But before he can get out and rush the passer he will have to prove that he can play within the system and play the run. This analysis applies to all of the defensive players, but this Spring he needs to focus on adding good weight. 245 lbs for a defensive end is simply too small. Jenkins needs to try to be at about 255 lbs this year. That added bulk will help him against the offensive tackles who will likely outweigh him by 50-60 lbs. As with any young player, this sophomore will need to improve his recognition skills and achieve a greater understanding of the nuances of the defensive end position.
The Unknown Legacy
FSU fans will likely remember Dan Footman who played 6 seasons in the NFL and was a very good pro before blowing his knees. Now meet his son. Dan Hicks was a very unheralded recruit out of Mississippi for a number of factors, including playing for a low-profile school and breaking his foot during his senior year. But the 6'4" 250 lb Hicks is a very good athlete with the frame to add a ton of good weight. Did I mention he was a good athlete? How about winning the 100-meter hurdles with a time of 15.19? And he had a great ACT score if I remember correctly. Hicks was very raw coming in and has a late birthday (2 current FSU 2011 commitments are older than him). Because he was physically and a bit emotionally immature he redshirted last season. That's not a bad thing. Hicks was just young. At least he didn't waste a year of eligibility under coach Allen.
People who have seen Hicks workout rave about the progress he's made. I have no idea if he can play ball, but he is that piece of fine clay just waiting to be molded. If everything goes according to plan, Hicks turns into a multi-year starter as a 280 lb strongside defensive end. if he can be 260 lbs of mostly good weight this year that would be a major accomplishment considering how young his body was when he arrives last year. I don't expect much from Hicks this season, but if he makes good progress this Spring learning how to play the game and continuing to bulk up, he could give 10-20 meaningful snaps per game come fall. Who knows, maybe this quiet kid can make a lot of noise come Fall. It wouldn't shock me, but it would surprise me given how raw Hicks was both as a player and as an athlete just 7 months ago.
Working His Way Back From An Injury (Still?)
Up next is Jamar Jackson. Jackson is a member of the abysmal 2007 recruiting class. Rivals had him as a four star weakside defensive end (6th best WDE in the country). Jackson tore his ACL in 2007 and missed the entire season. By all accounts, he has not regained the quickness that he had coming out of high school. At 6'4" 245 lbs, he doesn't have the same wide-potential frame of a Dan Hicks or incoming freshmen like Bjoern Werner and Darious Cummings.
I'm not questioning Jackson's work ethic and have never heard anything to make me believe he gives less than 100%. But if he's not quick enough to play on the weak side and not strong/ bulky enough to play on the strong side, what role does he have on the team? There is little to no place on a team for upperclassmen who don't make significant contributions. And as a 4th year Junior that is exactly what Jackson is. Jackson's continued progress (or lack thereof) will be a major point of interest for myself. While Jackson probably has three years of eligibility left given the overwhelming likelihood that he would win his medical redshirt request, I'm not sure the final year or two will be spent at Florida State. Here's hoping he proves me wrong and shows that he is just a very slow healer.
Unrealized Potential
If you're sensing that FSU has a lot of young, raw talent at the defensive end position, you're correct. Redshirt Sophomore Toshmon Stevens is no exception. The 6'5" 230 lb weak side end is incredibly skinny but is also a natural pass rusher. Stevens redshirted as a freshman and then played some last season while battling injury. The major issue for Stevens is that he is incredible scrawny. His lengthy frame is just begging for some added muscle. At his weight he is a liability against the run and is useless except on obvious passing downs.
He needs to work on all of the things I previously listed for Brandon Jenkins. But because he is about 15 lbs behind Jenkins, I see him as more of a situational player this fall. If he can improve his run defense enough to not be a complete liability, he could find himself in on a few passing downs. Stevens needs to improve his consistency and most of that should come with increased reps (experience) and added strength. As it stands right now, his game is all speed and guessing. He is still pretty raw and if it becomes clear that he won't win the starting job, I would like to see the coaches come up with a specific situational plan for him to see how he handles it. If he does, maybe he can work his way into a major role by the 2011 season and really help Florida State. Stevens is not regarded as a bad apple and will be given every opportunity to give his meaningful contribution to the team.
This Spring will be a time of enormous learning and culture shock for the entire defensive end unit. Perhaps no position was as poorly coached as the defensive ends were. Getting rid of Allen was one of the most important steps that needed to be taken; not only from a X&O's standpoint, but also for team chemistry. I'm excited to see what a real defensive end coach can do with this crop of players.
*Keep in mind that both of the incoming defensive end recruits are expected to see action come this Fall.
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i would have thought he is a SDE.
Thats the position he was recruited for and wants to play but depth at tackle has forced him inside.
Dawkins wants to play end?
He did a nice job at tackleIMO
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he becomes a great SDE
and a “nice” tackle as you say. I realize your meaning was different.
2nd paragraph under Jenkins
you have “predictions as to who will star”…I think you meant start.
I try to stop being the spelling police.
Great Job Bud. I haven’t gotten to get on here as much lately, but I want to thank the TN staff for keeping these great articles coming in the off-season.
its appreciated.
don’t have time to proofread other than a spell check because I write these when I’m dog tired. Sure someone will make the changes. I’d do it but don’t have a computer.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
did you say you don't have a computer?
yet you run this website, and youre in law school?
how is that possible?
Power cord is broken. Getting one shipped.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 8:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ugh, good luck.
I’ve been dealing with a possessed router. Or, more accurately, my techy friends have been trying to figure out what’s wrong with it.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
McCallister and Dawkins
In previous TN updates I have read that McCallister or Dawkins will play SDE with White at WDE. Is this not true now???
I don't know anything about McCallister
I know White can’t play WDE. Simply not athletic enough.
I don't think you ever saw me say that they definitively would.
They are playing tackle. Dawkins played a buncj of snaps last year and all tackle.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 10:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Jenkins & Dawkins
When AC mentioned the five players to watch on D in spring, Dawkins and Jenkins were my picks- with Dawkins on the inside.
Can’t believe we’re less than a week from spring practice. Game on.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 11, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't Pete Carroll call McCallister "the best 3-technique DT prospect I have ever seen"...
or something along those lines?
Not enough slams on Allen in my opinion
other than that, fantastic. You going linebackers last with the hope that CTC will be healthy enough for a full frontal assault?
I am not really familiar with Hicks, but now I have someone that will be in my sight lines. Thanks for this, its always good to have that one guy you watch. Hopefully he pans out.
I'm now going to set my eyes on fire after "CTC" and "full frontal" were mentioned on the same day, much less the same sentence.
by MattDNole on Mar 11, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tough because the problem was Allen.
How to filter out residiual ability from Allen’s trash.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
fair enough.
Throw in a few mentions of him trying to pick a fight like a 12 year old bully and I will be appeased.
i have high hopes from markus
that with proper coaching he will play well, and jenkins im excited to see, lots of potential. also toshomon had a couple plays in the gator bowl right? he definitely needs to bulk up, but he looks like he could be a nice surprise.
"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley
Hicks
With Dan Footman’s genes, this kid could be a rock solid 280-290 easily. I remember when I saw him once on campus. He called out to one if the other football players he saw across the green… I swear, the birds stopped chirping.
Quick answer: Lightning bolt first-step
The Panthers pick up a pass rusher who many teams rated as a first-round prospect. The former Seminole has an exceptional first step and is crafty working around the edge. Although he lacks ideal size, his ability to get to the quarterback is a welcome addition to a roster that had only one true pass-rushing threat (Julius Peppers) prior to draft day.
The closest thing to Demarcus Ware you’ll find, Everette Brown is the first person off of the ball, every play. Seriously this guy jumps so fast sometimes I can’t tell if he’s offsides or not. Brown will likely be an outside linebacker in the NFL. He’s tall and is one of the best accelerators on the field. Also, it is rare for a player just entering the draft to have perfected almost all pass rushing moves, but Brown has. He is able to rush, spin, rip, and swim as well as anyone, but he he does it with a speed that is unpredictable.
Tall?!
I think the biggest reason he slipped so far is bc Brown’s height was more like 6’0." Maybe the Panthers see the potential, having let Peppers go. Or they just couldn’t afford to keep Julius.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 11, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
You're right; I should have proofread that a little closer
Brown measured 73.75" at NFL combine (rather short, and much shorter than his listed height shown here)
I'm actually pretty high on Stevens
I agree with Bud in that he’s a natural pass rusher. Great first step, good body control to get around the edge. And to his credit, he showed up here at 190 lbs. So he’s put on a good 35+ lbs. since stepping foot on campus a few years ago. He’s upgraded from “skinny” to “wiry.”
'he is that piece of fine clay just waiting to be molded'
That was beautiful. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Great read as always.
Nice job once again
The defensive line absolutely has to improve next year for our defense to have a chance. Now my 2 cents….White I hope turns into a great player this year. The guy has talent, but sadly it’s been wasted. I think he has a breakout year this year. Jenkins is the most intriguing of the ends available. He has a quick first step, but as noted his weight has to come up. He will always be a situational end though, unless he improves technique. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Dawkins slides outside. Really surprised you didn’t mention him. Spring ball should tell us a lot on how Eliot has evaluated this group and if Dawkins does move to the end it wouldn’t shock me although rotational depth at tackle has to be worrisome. The 2 new kids on the block, Werner and Cummings also get me excited. Werner’s work ethic could turn him into a starter and his frame and size could cause many problems for ACC opponents. I expect Cummings to get some time on the field this year.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
I'm not sure we have the functional depth to let Dawkins move to SDE
I think he stays in the 4 man rotation at DT: McDaniel, McCray, McCloud, and McAllister.
McDawkins?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 11, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
We agree on Jenkins
I actually see him as a better lb
Good work
I too thought it was a given Dawkins would move back outside now with the recruiting work done to repair the DT spot. I guess we will have to see. Hopefully once the guys learn to stop the run and learn to bull rush, swim, etc on pass rushing it will confuse the offensive linemen and it will open them up to speed rush. Even fast guys like Everette Brown and Peter Boulware did not just run around the blockers every play. Those are just the ones that make the highlights.
If we knew Moses was healthy
or if the JUCO could be a stud right away, then I’d picket with a sign saying ‘Dawkins to DE’’
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 9:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know that Dawkins is at 270 right now.
Vic Viloria wants to get him to 290, so he has a chance in the NFL. Is there room for a 290 lb DT at FSU? I don’t see why not.
SCALP 'EM SEMINOLES!
How much did Dawkins weigh when he first arrived?
Seems like I always hear about him putting on boatloads of weight.
does he not have more of an NFL chance at DE?
I just don’t ever see him looking like an NFL DT
Yes but that's secondary to FSU's needs.
Noles pay him to be the best player for us, and he can be NFL de from college dt work.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Any chance Jenkins plays some OLB too?
I see his future in the NFL as a hybrid DE/OLB and JF loves versatile athletes after all. He’s got great pass rush potential off the edge and could be a monster if we have the size to put a bigger line on the field for a few downs this year.
If you're talking about putting him at the Jack OLB (rush LB in a 3-4) in certain situations
I’d argue that Mister Alexander has that locked up. He’s the quickest off the line of anyone on the team IMO
Eventually yes
this year I bet he stays with DE. Lot to learn in one year.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 8:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
HUH?
I’m not sure we have the functional depth to let Dawkins move to SDE I think he stays in the 4 man rotation at DT: McDaniel, McCray, McCloud, and McAllister
Your 4 man rotation left out Dawkins- I keep hearing Dawkins at SDE- sorry!
we don't have the depth at DT to allow for that.
who keeps talking about this?
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BTW thanks
to all who help get these pieces up… makes passing the day much faster!
Thanks
Another great writeup. Come on spring ball!
by NoleySmokes on Mar 11, 2010 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So are we saying...
Dawkins at DT and McCallister at SDE????
Perhaps this is why I am confused- from Bud Elliot in January about DL Depth- it clearly states that Dawkins is DE while McCallister is DT
Did something changE???
FSU’s current defensive line roster looks like this:
DT DE
Moses McCray Jr
Markus White Sr
Jacobbi McDaniel So
Jamar Jackson Jr
Amp McCloud (EE) (Rs) So
Toshmon Stevens (rs) so
Demonte McAllister (Rs) Fr
Brandon Jenkins so
Everette Dawkins (rs) so
Dan Hicks (rs) fr
Sorry- did not copy and paste well...
January 12th article says McCallister at DE, Dawkins at DT- 2 weeks later= Dawkins at DE and McCallister at DT. Are we just not sure at this point?
Both are DTs until moved.
That was based on the assumption that McCray’s Elbow was ok but he has since needed surgery.
FOR SPRING, both are DTs.
were much better at DE than DT for Spring.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's outside the scope of my knowledge
really doubt anyone knows. But I am not concerned at this point. I think it will be fixed and he is in great shape otherwise.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 9:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I feel like we are actually thin at DE...
Jenkins is an up and comer- White is good but only 1 year left. Not much depth after that unless one of these 2 can play end…
I am not at all worried over 2011
but if we need Dawkins for 25 snaps at DT, we won’t move him for 15 at DE.
werner and cummings can give us closer to what dawk gives on the outside than they could give us what he gives on the inside. DT is tougher to play than DE by a lot because all the bodies. Dawkins experience on the inside could prove invaluable.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2010 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The way Coach Haggins spoke at the Recruiting Day wrapup...
sounds like he intends to keep Dawkins at DT.
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