Florida State Enters NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed...
and head to Buffalo to take on the #8 seed Gonzaga Bulldogs.
Duke, Maryland, Clemson, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech all join the Seminoles in the NCAA Tournament. Virginia Tech, who finished 4th in the ACC was left out.
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To restate: I tell ya, I dont mind this match-up.
1. Gonzaga is KenPom #56, which is pretty low. Compare that to the other # seeds: Texas is #17, UNLV is #37, California #14.
2. The Zags KenPom defensive rating is #67, which is not too high. Additionally, may MOST important, their turnover percentage on defense is #271. That is VERY low. Translation: they do not cause turnovers, which is huge for us.
3. Gonzaga gets a LOT of media love for being a good mid-major. They have historically not done well in the Tourney.
4. Gonzaga got blasted by Duke by 30 points earlier this year.
5. This game is in Buffalo. The committee is shipping Gonzaga into the eastern time zone. We live in the eastern time zone. Another break for us.
In my opinion, we caught a break. Of the #8 seeds, this is the one I would have picked.
Now, let me vent: Florida a #10 seed? Are you friggin’ kidding me? They should not even be in the Tourney.
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Great points GNO. Will really depend on which Zaga team shows up. Very happy that FSU stayed in EST and Zaga has to travel. A subtle point about what the committee thinks about Zaga.
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and, the Zags dont hit there free throws either
FT% ranked #249
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KenPom's site needs a "comparison" feature
Where you can put a team’s stats side by side for analysis.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
They don’t turn you over and they score a ton of inside points, not much from outside.
that point #1 shoud read, "Compare that to the other #8 seeds."
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We Might be DOOMED!!!
but i think ’cuse is the most beatable #1 seed.
in no way is Syracuse the most beatable 1
Duke is by Far the most beatable. And I think Kentucky’s going to drop one against some tough team on the way. They play very young and don’t put teams away.
All 1's are beatable
In all fairness each 1 seed this year is pretty beatable….first year in awhile this has happened
Still disagree
Syracuses zone will kill us because we can’t shoot worth a damn from outside and struggle to penetrate.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
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please explain?
Your comment is pretty vague. If you’ve watched FSU play this year you would know we are a poor outside shooting team and struggle to penetrate effectively against zone defense. Syracuse plays the best zone in the country and is long and athletic. So please explain why we would have the best chance to beat a team that plays great zone defense while we are enemic on offense?
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anemic.
And if I had to choose which 1 seed we’d face, it would be Kentucky. Italia is right about the ‘Cuse. We’d struggle mightily
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Cuse would be a horrible match up for us.
Them and Kansas are the two worst matchups in the field, IMO.
but, the Home Time Zone advantage we have in Round One vs. the Zags gets reversed if
we win and play the Cuse, which will have the Home State Advantage.
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well, FSU will at least have me there to support the cause. Three hour trip from
Cleveland, and cheap hotels. Plus, I’ll kill myself if we win and I am not there to see them play Syracuse.
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IF we get to play Syracuse
It will be a huge opportunity for Coach Hamilton to nut up. Silence the haters.
For the record, when the discussion about a new coach inevitably comes up if we go one and done, my vote is for Steve Alford. I liked him at Iowa, and the fact that NM is a 4 seed speaks volumes for his ability.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty good coach, awful, awful human being. I know some would say that shouldn’t matter, but to me it does. We could find a comparable coach who is a better guy.
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by bigtim on Mar 14, 2010 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They'll be coach talk....
but nothing will happen at the top this year. The admin will give him another year to work his magic. Ham’s already started the “wait till next year” stuff as per his comments with the Tallahassee Democrat….. http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20100314/FSU05/3140328/1002/SPORTS/FSU-will-regroup-after-defeat. It’s all coach speak and I didn’t know whether to cry or laugh when I read it.
True
Yea, it’s all “wait ’til next year” but we do have one of the youngest teams in the bracket… Although so does Kentucky and look at them…
fsu is not kentucky...
and ham is not calipari, who although he’s teflon john, makes every school he goes to amazing and then leaves with the ncaa investigating.
we don’t have 100k people that want to watch our team play in a 20+k arena every game. kentucky does.
is no next yr for kentucky
at least 3, and maybe 4, leave early
Why no next year?
He can just throw some new freshmen into the mix.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
There’s no shame in losing to the ‘Cuse. That’s expected and I can’t imagine that many people would be extremely upset by that. Syracuse is better than us. Beating the Zags would be a good job for a semi-young (no SRs outside of Reid) team and I think people should be happy with that.
No shame at all
in losing to a 1 seed. But I take issue with the beating the zags would be a good job for a semi young team and people should be happy with that comment. This team, for the most part, sans Snaer, has had 2 trips thru the acc season and one trip to the tourney and most people aren’t happy about the lack of progress on the offensive end of the floor. It speaks volumes that we’re just hoping to win against the Zips.
Well this sucks if Syracuse and FSU win both schools I went to will play
Grad and Undergrad. I don’t think we get crushed by the Orange.
Do we know that for sure?
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Have watched a lot of the Zags last five years
This year the Dookies laid down the strategy to handle the Zags. Double the wings and harass Bouldin beyond the 3. Get physical with their guards. Lowly LMU and USF followed this strategy and pulled off huge upsets.
Zags use their length and size well but we can counter that in a big way. They also just lost their 6 man Manny Arop who was coming on strong. Alabi will run circles around Foster and Reid can bang with Sacre all day long. My biggest concern would be Gray. Kid is athletic w/ size and has awesome range from 3.
I’m stoked with this match up, have seen the Zags buckle to lesser D’s.
get that scouting report to Hamilton, stat.
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which means we'll prolly drop the game.
Just sayin. Every time I get to watch this team when we’re favored we drop the game dang.
After our Miami game and ACCT game, I am not expecting much
Mark Few vs. Leonard Hamilton?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
they dont play Sacre and Foster at the same time, do they?
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I just looked at his stats over at ESPN. He does suck.
doesnt 7-5 always = sucks?
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Yao Ming doesn't suck.
But there are athletes that are 7’5" – obviously not as great as a 6’5" athlete – and then there are 7’5" guys. Foster is a 7’5" guy.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
How about VaTech, 10 wins in the ACC, getting left out? Who would of thunk 10 wins
in the ACC is not enough? Still, I say the Illinois snub was worse.
And who was smoking what when that committee made ND a #6 seed? RPI #59?
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by GoNolzOhio on Mar 14, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The same guy that made UF a 10 seed.
Va Tech getting left out should be a lesson to all ACC athletic departments when it comes to scheduling. When was the last time a #4 ACC team wasn’t in the dance.
Personally, I think UF getting a 10 seed and VT getting snubbed is BS
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, I am trying to decide which is more delusional: ND a #6 or UF a #10.
Florida is #52 RPI, though
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Well, what is VT's RPI?
It can’t be much worse, if any, than UF. Plus VT had a better record in a better conference.
UF as a 10 seed makes NO sense. It’s only because of the name on the front of their jerseys.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say, I got little sympathy for VaTech with their #340 SOS out-of-conference.
On the other hand, Illinois should have made it over Florida.
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Right...I believe I made a comment somewhere else that this needs to be a lesson for all ACC Athletic Directors.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you learn the lesson?
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
I don’t get the Illinois snub talk. 19-14 record, RPI in the 70s, played bad down the stretch. That’s not tournament worthy.
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by bigtim on Mar 14, 2010 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, VaTech was much more tournament-worthy than Illinois. Either the Hokies or Miss. St. should have been in the dance rather than Florida or Utah State.
I’m also shocked at the ND love, I guess it’s not just in football, huh?
by seminoleballer on Mar 14, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mississippi State?
I think not. Their only good win prior to the conference tournament was Old Dominion.
Illinois won at Clemson, beat Vanderbilt, beat Michigan State and beat Wisconsin.
UTEP and Utah State were given a pass for being mid-majors.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
Miss. State has a real case.
You can’t just dismiss their tournament. They beat Florida, Vandy, and were one shot away from taking down Kentucky. All of those teams are in and Miss. State is out? Even with a 23-10 record and RPI of 55?
Illinois may have some good wins, but they also have some BAD losses and crumbled down the stretch.
by seminoleballer on Mar 17, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
OOC SOS is dumb. It should be straight up SOS. Why do teams in a tougher conference need to also play a tough OOC SOS. That’s asinine.
by evenflow58 on Mar 14, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beat Michigan State on a neutral site (5 seed).
Humiliated us on their home floor (9 seed).
Beat Tennessee (6 seed).
56 rpi, 36 sos
Not bad, imo.
Virginia Tech beat Clemson (7 seed) , Wake Forest (9 seed) and at Georgia Tech (10 seed).
59 rpi, 131 sos
I think Virginia Tech’s resume is worse. I think Illinois deserved to get in over VT, too, and over the gators. I think VT and UI should’ve been in and UTEP and Utah State left out. Those teams didn’t beat ANYBODY and both had awful sos’, too.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
We'll see
There’s a lot of Big East Love in RPI.
are you being sarcastic?
of course there is bias
No sarcasm.
It’s a single equation used for all teams. There’s no subjectivity about it.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
by tricknole on Mar 15, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like it too, for the record
How do you think we did when compared to the other 8/9 games…let’s say we got matched up with either Texas, UNLV, Northern Iowa (who is a good defensive team), Cal or Louisville? Personally the only team I would rather play instead of the Zags is Cal, who I’m not impressed with.
I’m with rocknrollnolle…2.5 or so spread IMO.
The fact that UF is a 10 seed is completely laughable. I hope the mormons stomp a freaking mudhole in them. Embarrassing.
Good to see Marquette get a 6 seed. They are a very good basketball team.
I hope that a Kansas/Ohio St matchup comes to be…I really like the Buckeyes chances.
FInal 4 prediction of: Nova/Kansas/West Virginia/…and Vanderbilt (I’m biased)
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
UNLV
was the last team I wanted to see from the projected 7-10’s. They can bring sick pressure.
Cal would have been interesting, would have broken our offensive slump for sure
I would feel much better if we had been paired with Cal.
If we’re talking about 7-10 seeds that we want to avoid, I’d like to nominate Richmond
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt have minded the Cal matchup either. However, between the two, I'll take my
chances with Gonzaga
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I'd rather have Cal
but not by much. We’re good to go with either of these 2. Glad we didn’t get Texas or UNLV
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
agree with this post 110%
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
except for the slight preference on my part for the Zags, of course
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I like our draw a lot.
We match up well with Gonzaga, and I think we are very capable of knocking off Cuse especially if Onawaku is out.
We could barely knock off Miami when Collins was out.
And you think we’re “very capable” of beating Syracuse? A one seed? I admire your optimism, but damn man…Have you WATCHED our team lately?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I will be very surprised
If we can knock off Gonzaga, and if we do, I doubt it will be by more than 2 points.
I just don't understand how anyone that has watched our team play
can feel good about any halfway decent team. This team is NOT playing good right now, and there’s no evidence to support that they’ll magically get it together come tourney time. I love this team with everything in my bones, but they are playing like total crap right now. Not even in the same league as a team like Syracuse
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We have good games and bad games
I like our chances because of our length and defensive effort.
then again, we went into last year's Tourney riding the high of making the ACCT final,
and we all know what happened next.
Anyway, as I said before, I don’t mind the 8-9 game and a 2nd round match-up with a #1 seed. My expectations for this team were lowered after Clemson snapped our 3-game winning streak in Tally, and I realized there would be no “turning the corner for this squad.” If we win a game in the tourney, I’ll be happy (taking into account just what you are talking about with our erratic play).
At that point, bring on a #1 seed, and lets see what happens. From my point of view, at that juncture, we are playing with house money.
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by GoNolzOhio on Mar 14, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right as always, GNO
I don’t think ANY reasonable fan expects us to beat a one seed. Get a win against the Zags, and I’ll be content.
However, I do expect the Noles to show Syracuse what ACC basketball is all about, should we get a shot at them. Make it hell on earth to score points.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 14, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt about it. If we get to play the Orange, we need to pull a Rocky
(from Rocky I, of course): just go the distance and make them bleed REAL BAD!
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No team to lose their only conference tournament game
has gone on to win the national title in the same year. Boom. We knock Syracuse out of the tournament and lose in the finals to Kansas. Damn you, Sherron Collins.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
I disagree...we have a chance, albeit a very small one.
If we beat the Zags and give ’Cuse fits til the end i will be happy.
If we beat the Zags and stay in the game with Syracuse till halftime I would be THRILLED!
by seminoleballer on Mar 14, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If we beat the Zags I’ll be happy. I have no confidence in this coaching staff. then again the only men’s coaching staff I have confidence in is football’s.
that football coaching staff
that hasn’t won a game?
Maybe very capable was stretching it a little lol.
I do think we are capable of beating them, but we are also capable of losing in the 1st round.
I'll buy it down to a pick 'em and watch FSU knowing all we have to do is win, baby!
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Hey TC or Bud
Duke, Maryland, Clemson, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech all join the Seminoles in the ACC Tournament.
Should be NCAA Tournament
Process > Results
If ESPN.com is to be believed, it appears we have a gametime:
7:15pm. Followed by Syracuse-Vermont.
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If I can get some of my friends to agree
I might make the drive down. P.S. my friends as Cuse fans, but still, could make an interesting day.
The early part of the draw is the West Virginia draw so would get to see Clemson/Missouri as well (if went for the full day).
Gotto admit, it’s a longshot as it’s unlikely we’d all be able to get free, and they’d be the one to do the actual driving.
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"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
The "Experts" panel on ESPN2 basiccally just gave us no shot against Gonzaga
Said Gonzaga has size at every position (which is when I stopped listening to that guy), and there is no way FSU can match their scoring.
2 guys defended FSU, citing the defense; but the others countered with “Gonzaga will be ready and they play anybody/everybody, so FSU’s defense won’t be a problem and FSU can’t score”
The host said, “it won’t be for the faint of heart.”
Whatever, Hamilton needs to show that clip, especially of the one guy who basically listed Gonzaga’s whole team saying they were huge and could shoot and “if you hadn’t heard of Elias Harris, you need to.” That guy was basically on his knees for Gonzaga, seemingly they can beat everyone and will win the region.
Overreact much?
I think that was just the guy that had covered them the most and talked about them. Gonzaga has a couple big bodies. That’s not a lie. Just as long as they don’t include Foster as a big that will have any impact at all.
I did think it was funny that he said that Harris guy might be the most athletic small forward in the country. Chris Singleton? lol
The main thing was, “FSU has a great defense and is very tall, but they can’t shoot or score. Will they be able to score enough to win the game?” Legit question. Our offense sucks.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
They also mentioned if we can avoid turning it over.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
He mentioned Foster, not by name though; mentioned 7'5" and 7'0" footers
I don’t think I’m “overreacting” per se. It just seemed that the whole left side of the panel gave us no chance. And that guy probably did cover them, but, man, was he on their jock.
I did like, I think it was Elmore (or whatever his name is who covers the ACC) when he mentioned Singleton as ACC player of the year. I guess it just bothered me when the other guy who praised FSU’s defense then came back to say Gonzaga has seen everybody and will be ready for it. Seemed to me that one of the top defenses in the country and tops in the ACC should be given a little more weight than a pretty good offense from the WCC.
I just thought
it came down to the panel not thinking our offense was capable of winning NCAAT games, even if our defense is good.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
Watched those "experts" give our game like 10 secs treatment (mostly Gonzaga)...
They seem to have a handle on our offensive struggles, but no one has any clue just how good our defense is. Even if we win, I imagine our broadcasting crew is going to be shocked at “what an awful shooting night” the ’Zags are having. (I guess this should no longer be a surprise when 75% of our fanbase has no idea how good our defense is, either.)
Also, “trick is right” about that guy’s comment about Harris as superior athlete…. in the context of a matchup with Singleton? Are you kidding me. Half of those guys legitimately had no clue about what they were talking about… though I did love the one guy singing the praises of “Parson Chandler” for UF.
Missed the PC comment.
I understand the hype around the bubble, selection Sunday and the impending NCAAT, and that airing it will get viewers (heck, I had it on), but it’s almost unfair to those broadcaster folks to have to give a rundown on each matchup. It’s just too much. Of course they’ll make mistakes. Mix guys names up. Forget guys names completely (Bob Knight saying “that good little guard for Duke” when he couldn’t remember Scheyer’s name). One guy mixed up a teams seed 3 times. Another guy was asked his predicted sweet sixteen matchups and threw out teams that weren’t in the same bracket. I’m sure most fanbases could find something to gripe about.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
Understood.
Just think they could lay off the hyperbole when their blowing smoke out of their backside, or at least just reference the notes that were provided to them on the cheat sheets.
*the first their, that is.
The second “their” is fine.
(Otherwise it would be double there/their/they’re fail, and we don’t want that.)
you know i was confident - like bet the house on us losing no matter who we faced in the 1st round
but some of you guys are starting to give me hope
but after friday night
im not sure thats a good thing
Well, if you don't mind cardboard box homes or peddling for money on Virginia Ave., I say
bet the house. HOUSE MONEY!
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
Looks like KenPom's got us as a 68% favorite, with a predicted outcome of 67-63 in
favor of the Noles. This is good, although I think we were a bigger favorite against NCState last friday, and against Wisconsin last year, if I remember correctly.
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I think the same % as our home game vs Clemson.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
see - i like that idea, and on paper it makes sense
but im not sure we could score 67 in a triple ot game against the university of phoenix right now
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