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Florida State Spring Football Position Preview: Linebacker

This is the eighth in a multi-part series covering the various position groups as Florida State begins Spring practice on Tuesday.   So far we've looked at Quarterback, Running Back, Wide Receiver, Offensive Line, Tight End/  H-Back, Defensive End, and Defensive Tackle. There is no way to sugarcoat how bad FSU's defense was last season.  Straight by the raw numbers, FSU was 108th out of 120 teams nationally.  Common sense, however, says that to go solely by aggregate yardage allowed is silly as it doesn't adjust for competition level.  The advanced metrics account for opponent quality and they say FSU's defense was somewhere between 80th to 92nd out of 120.  Of the 66 major conference teams, FSU was on the level (or worse than) only Louisville, Kansas, Indiana, Duke, Stanford, Kansas State, Iowa State, Illinois, and of course, Washington State.  The last defenses to be this bad in ACC play were some of the mid-decade Duke teams.  If you want more comparisons and perspective, check out Closing The Book On The 2009 FSU Defense.

[Editor's Note:  I know a lot of you asked about this last week, so here's an update.  Everette Dawkins expressed a desire to return to defensive end in the Fall, but I have confirmed that he will stay at Tackle during Spring ball due to the lack of depth present at the position until McCray is healed up and the two freshmen recruits arrive.  Even then, that situation is up in the air.

Linebaker Coach Greg Hudson

To me, there were two groups on FSU's defense that played at or around an average level:  cornerbacks and defensive tackles.  Defensive Ends, Linebackers, and Safeties played horribly.  Out with the divisive, egotistical Chuck Amato, who seemed more concerned with subverting Fisher's efforts to change the program than he was with coaching his linebackers.  News leaked that Amato is battling cancer and I wish him a speedy recovery.  But discussing linebackers requires an honest look at many of his failures and it would be wrong to blame the players for shortcomings that should rightfully be attributed to Amato.  

Enter Greg Hudson (info at link).  Hudson recently spoke about what he likes in his linebackers (very big, fast, intelligent, instinctive).  Hudson produced numerous All-Conference defenders at East Carolina and I think he's a bright defensive mind.  Here's more Hudson video.  

FSU fans hope Hudson is the anti-Amato in terms of production.  Boosters were initially fired up about about Amato acting as the locker police as they were led to believe that would translate into a better disciplined team.  But fans were quickly disappointed as it became apparent that there was a de-emphasis in understanding the defense, understanding the opposing offense, taking proper angles to the football, discipline, gap control, etc.  Instead, what FSU got was the "freedom system" in which Amato's linebackers were told to just go make plays.  That is an extremely effective strategy in Pop Warner ball when a coach has one kid with a late-July birthday who is physically superior to everyone else on the field.  It's absolutely not acceptable for a college coach.  Simplification is one thing, but what happened with FSU's linebackers was something altogether different.  That's to say nothing of the atrocious tackling, complete inability to neutralize and fight off blockers, the poor job in pass coverage and the apparent complete lack of coordination between DE & LB.  

The LB position is unique and probably the toughest on the field to play because of having both run and pass responsibilities on every play and coverage call.  Players have to be smart, disciplined in reading keys, and with enough size to tackle big backs and handle linemen blockers, and still cover smaller RBs and TEs in man/zone coverage.  STS.

Also, Amato was a terrible recruiter in his return trip to Tallahassee.  We've profiled here that the idea of Amato dominating South Florida recruiting was complete nonsense.  He recruited one South Florida player in his most recent Tallahassee stint: Maurice Harriss, who was subsequently "medically disqualified."  In fact, FSU damaged it's cause with several schools solely by hiring Amato due to some Chuck's dealings at North Carolina State.  I only mention recruiting because FSU has 6 linebackers available this Spring, primarily because it did not have a competent linebackers coach for whom recruits would want to play.  Not to worry, as the 'Noles will have 10 linebackers this fall as 4 more recruits join the group.  

This linebacker group (and likely Hudson) is in for a major culture shock similar to what I profiled in the defensive end position preview.  I don't think Hudson will be a miracle worker, but I don't think he needs to be.  There is good amount of talent here.  He simply needs to re-emphasize understanding of the defensive scheme, understanding the opposing offense, taking proper angles to the football, discipline, gap control, tackling, fighting blocks with proper technique, pass drops, keys, etc.  And he should have time to do most of that provided he doesn't waste his time worrying about locker cleanliness, chatting with the head coach, primping, and generally involving himself in matters that do not concern him.  He has a lot of talent at his disposal and simply needs to avoid being Chuck Amato.  The real limitation is of course time.  FSU fans should expect competency from this group in 2010 before expecting proficiency in 2011.  With that, let's get to the players.

6'2" 241 lb Outsider 'Backer Nigel Bradham

The Known Commodity

Nigel Bradham. 6'2" 241 lbs.  5* recruit.  Fast.  Powerful.  Nigel Bradham is the only backer who should feel comfortable knowing he has a job entering Spring ball.  Bradham started 12 games on the weak side last season, notching 95 tackles.  He played at about 235 lbs as it became apparent that if he were to stay on the outside he would need to break down some of the high school muscle he had too swiftly packed on to his prototype frame and add it back slowly in order to increase his hip flexibility.  

Of course some believe that Bradham was miscast on the weak side and should have been playing the MIKE (Middle backer) or SAM (strong side) position.  That's an argument for another day and one that has been argued on every 'Nole message board over the last two years.  I don't think anyone will debate that Bradham was stiff and does run a bit bow-legged.  The Spring guide indicated that Bradham is at 241 lbs and I would expect him to weigh in at around 245 lbs.  Perhaps more importantly than his starting weight is the new nutrition program's ability to help him maintain that functional size throughout the 20 week season.  

We know from past interviews that Hudson will likely line up his least experienced (read: guy who has the least understanding of the defense but who is physically capable of making plays) player in the WILL  (weak side backer) position.  Bradham's experience at the WILL might be of some help to him or it might not, depending on the similarities between the WILL's responsibilities and alignment in the new scheme and those same characteristics in the old scheme.  There are valid arguments for Bradham to line up in every spot and valid arguments as to why he shouldn't line up in those spots.  If I had to guess right now I would say that Bradham will play the SAM (strong) backer position because of his size and strength.  While he's just as fast as the other backers, he has the strength to take on blockers and set the edge, an essential task of the SAM.  It helps to establish the flow.  

Bradham is a natural tackler with good balance.  He's good in pass coverage.  He needs to improve his recognition, but that is a constant throughout this preview with every linebacker having that need.  

Bradham is a Junior this year and many speculate that he will go pro with a good 2010 campaign.  Given his physical gifts, he would probably be foolish not to get paid.  That process starts by taking advantage of the competent coaching now available to him.  

Inside, I'll discuss the remaining 'backers.

Star-divide

Men In The Middle

Perhaps the best argument against Bradham playing middle backer is that FSU has two very large backers who are most likely limited to the MIKE as their primary position.  The first is redshirt Sophomore Vince Williams, who missed the 2009 season after undergoing back surgery.  Williams checks in at 6'0" 252 lbs and projects to play  between 250-255 lbs.  He was actually  practicing in pads in the latter part of the season but smartly rejected overtures to waste a year of eligibility by playing in just a few games.  Williams was ranked the 40th LB in the 2008 recruiting class by ESPN.com and the 10th overall LB by Rivals.com and was only one of three early enrollees in the 2008 class.  Williams looked good in limited duty as a freshman, including work on special teams.  

*Last season Kendal Smith played the MIKE.  I don't expect to see him in the middle any longer because he is 15 lbs smaller than these two and looked horrible last season trying to pick his way through all the traffic.  

The other is the true freshman phenom, Jeff Luc, who stands 6'0" and weighs 249 lbs.  Luc was the consensus #1 Middle Linebacker in this class.  Luc enrolled early so that he could play Spring ball.  People around the program have raved about just how physically advanced Luc is.  

Both Williams and Luc are extremely strong, thick MIKE types.  Both will be limited by not having good lateral agility and quickness.  Both will have an acclimation period this Spring; Williams to getting back into full-speed hitting drills, and Luc into college ball.  I believe both Luc and Williams will excel at getting off blocks and tackling.  This battle will most likely be decided by who can show the best mastery of the defensive scheme, who can play good zone pass coverage, and who can be more disciplined.  I believe one of these two will start at the MIKE and the other will get serious time as well provided that one doesn't just obliterate the other.  

Long and Athletic

The other subtitles made a lot of sense.  Nigel Carr and Mister Alexander were the two left over guys.  In my mind, these are two very similar players.  Carr is 6'2" 231 lbs while Alexander is 6'3" 227 lbs.  Carr is closer to 6'3" than 6'2" in my opinion.  Both have long frames.  Both are good natural pass rushers and both play with a lot of energy.  Carr in particular is a guy who really loves to play the game.  #12 is always going nuts on the sidelines.  

Nigel Carr was a 4* recruit coming out of high school.  ESPN had him as the 4th best outside linebacker while Rivals.com had him 6th.  The Junior is one of the few players who has a birth date befitting his grade level (born February 1990).  Carr has a larger lower body and a smaller upper body.  I'm pretty high on the Jacksonville First Coast product, but I believe he was a victim of Amato.  Carr looked clueless last season, but played with great effort and showed good instincts a few times (or perhaps he was guessing).  He played out of control and without regard to any assignment, lane, gap responsibility, etc.  With a defense as screwed up as last year's unit it is tough to apportion fault, but Carr clearly has ability.  Because he doesn't seem as sharp or experienced as Bradham, and is one of three smaller backers, it would not surprise me to see Carr end up on the weak side.  

RsSr Mister Alexander is another candidate to see some playing time on the weak side.  Alexander is raw as a senior but had tremendous athletic ability.  Alexander played safety for the 'Noles in 2007/2008, but only saw action in one game due to a knee injury.  Last year he stayed fairly healthy and saw action primarily on obvious passing downs as a pass-rushing outside backer.  It's all about staying healthy and mastering the mental game for Alexander.  The athleticism is there, but are the football and more importantly linebacker skills?  

Both need a good bit of coaching and I'll be pulling for Carr to line up along with Bradham and the winner of the Williams/Luc battle.  Of course, it's possible neither Carr nor Alexander start.... Because there's still one more player on this list...

The Senior

Kendall Smith is coming off a year he would probably like to forget.  After having nice stints as a backup up 2007 and 2008, the 6'0" 235 (225 last year) Smith looked terrible at middle linebacker.  #29 is a former 4* recruit and surprised everyone by how poorly he played.  In truth, he was likely out of position.  Smith needs to play in space.  Taking on bigger blockers and fighting through all the traffic in the middle is simply not his game.  He looked extremely hesitant and at times I was able to audibly count "one Mississippi" after the ball was snapped before he moved from his stance.  

I am not ready to say Smith lacks instincts, he just lacked them in the middle.  I think he can probably play outside backer.  This is his Senior year and while Smith is not an NFL player he still has the potential to be a good college starter or an excellent backup.  Seeing him gain 11 lbs since last August is encouraging.

 

I expect a ton of improvement from the linebackers this year.  Expect practice reports detailing growing pains at first.  The only thing we know right now is that Bradham is a virtual lock to start, Williams/ Luc can't play the outside, and at least one Spring starter will come from the Carr/ Alexander/ Smith group.  

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Man I woke up too early to read this

Since I read this right after getting up I misread the part about Hudson not spending time primping as him not wasting time pimping. I always knew their was a reason Chuck wore those shades.

Great write up. I actually expect the most improvement out of this group because the bigger d-line will allow them to play in space more. As long as they can tackle they should be a lot better off.

by osceolafan850 on Mar 15, 2010 6:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

If a defensive line under performs, then the linebackers have to cheat up to help and they end up getting out of position. I think this hurt the safeties too. Sad that safeties would have to help often with the run, but there is a reason Myron Rolle was one of the top two tacklers a couple of years ago.

by nolestuff on Mar 15, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hudson saves at least an hour of time over Amato everyday cause he doesn’t need a blow dryer

by 93noleman on Mar 15, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Chest

I, for one, will not miss Amato… My only question is how “his” Wolfpack beat FSU. Just goes to show how far the Seminoles had fallen. Come on Hudson, coach these boys up! Go Noles!

by NoleySmokes on Mar 15, 2010 7:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Holt torched us in 97, so I dont think Chuck coached him.

Pretty certain Amato got Jerricho Cotchery and the tailend of Koren Robinson’s career, however.

by The K-Man on Mar 15, 2010 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Memories fail.

I googled it. Holt left after “98”. Amato did not get there until 2000. I slouch corrected.

by Nole75 on Mar 15, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

The Noles had fallen during that time sure. But NCST also had a solid group of players at that time and was kicking butt in the ACC altogether. Also to be fair, Chuck Amato wasnt that bad of a coach. He wasnt ever a great coach, but he wasnt a bad one either. If you remember, he had coached the D-Line for over a decade and then coached the LBs for 4 years during the 80’s and 90’s in our “Dynasty” Era when our Defenses was consistently ranked 5th or better overall.

He just came back to FSU the 2nd time with a bad attitude and did everything except what he was hired for. In in turn undermined everything. Then having Jody Allen inept self on that side of the ball also….recipe for disaster and thats what we got last year.

by CPNole on Mar 15, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe Allen

was part of Amato’s problem. Maybe if Jim Gladden had still been on staff there would have been a chemistry and Amato would have enjoyed working with him. Everyone says the DE play makes it hard on the linebackers. Well what about the linebacker coach? Amato probably knew the DEs were not going to make plays, which might have had him send his linebackers out there creeping up hoping they would make early plays to help out in place of the ends.

by nolestuff on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

warchant is fluff

while this site provides in depth analysis

by ben rust on Mar 15, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Your right.

It’s almost insulting to my intelligence to read that garbage.

by ryanjames46 on Mar 15, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

i cant believe this is free

i eat it UP. don’t go light on the podcast either. don’t think ‘oh 35 minutes, we better wrap this up’. no no no. don’t hold back when you’re preaching the FSU gospel/spoken word. tell it on the mountain!

Also, podcast sound clip idea, something with Woody Harrelson in Zombieland saying something regarding Tallahassee.

by NOLEmercy3 on Mar 15, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I respect their information and sources

But I agree that TN is the thinking-Noles’ community.

by ricobert1 on Mar 15, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hudson

is going to be a much needed refresh for the D. Im looking for some energy and grit from this guy. I dont want to see some J/A pacing down the sideline whith his arms crosssed and hiding behind a pair of shades. Fire these kids up!

Thank God for the men and women who stand tall in the night to protect this great country we love so much

by hntdeerliv4noles on Mar 15, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you positive that VW went under the knife for his back?

Remember reading somewhere that he did not have surgery.
Fantastic read as usual…..

by Florida_State on Mar 15, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe LB's, Safeties, and DE's will be the most improved

That’s not saying much since as long as these positions show up on Saturday’s it will be an improvement over last year. I can’t wait for the fall preview for Linebackers when we can include Jones, Terrel and the rest of our incoming LB’s. 26 days till Spring Game, see you in Tally!!!!!!!!

by BS37FSU on Mar 15, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Ahhhh the linebackers

First up let’s start with the good stuff. Bradham is the ace of this squad without a doubt and arguably was our best player on defense. I personally hope he doesn’t bolt for the NFL early, but I wouldn’t be surprised. I also see him moving to the strongside or maybe playing the middle linebacker. Strongside is his likely spot although he is a prototypical middle linebacker imo. Now for the other guys. I also have seen Luc in person a few times and the kid is physically advanced. I’m 6 foot 3/245 and which is 2 inches taller and 10 pounds heavier than him and I felt like a dwarf. Carr is a guy whose energy I love, but his play is so-so. He must improve his technique and instincts. Alexander I think washes out. I think both Williams and Smith play better this year with Hudson’s direction. I also think the new guys Jones and Onwukaife see limited action. All in all I think this group improves and I am excited to see what they do this year with a better coach.

Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

by 1newplayer on Mar 15, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Holmes is redshirting

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Mar 15, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bradham to the NFL

As much we could use him for two more seasons, I think we need him as a reminder to young recruits that FSU produces NFL linebackers. I’d be happy to see him go to the NFL as long as he is an early draft choice otherwise he should stay.

by PSLNOLE on Mar 15, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it depends

On how far behind he is fundamentally, how much he learns/improves this year, and whether another year would better prepare him for the NFL. If the LBs were as poorly coached as most people think, an extra year in college may be beneficial to Bradham. After all, NFL teams will take the best combination of talent and skills – why take the extra time helping someone catch up if there is a comparable player available? He should go to the NFL when he’ll be able to make the most of the chance. There are a lot of would-have-been-good NFL players out there, and making the most of your opportunity is very important. He’ll need to evaluate things AFTER this season, weigh the pros/cons of leaving early vs. staying for his SR year. If Hudson could help him develop, he may end up with a bigger contract by staying.

by Invictus13 on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Bradham played very well, especially compared to the other LBs

Barring injury I believe he is gone.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Mar 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

No mention of Nick Moody.

He was listed at 235 lbs. and there was some talk that he would be moved to LB. Does no mention of him in this article mean he will stay at Safety?

by Nole75 on Mar 15, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I've been saying that for months

He is NOT a Sean Taylor or Taylor Mays. If he was there would be no talk of him moving. If we do indeed feature a ‘Two high’ look, we need athletes on the backline, kids who can move. QB’s would target Moody relentlessly due to the fact his responsibilities will change and he’ll be in coverage a lot more. Fans are falling into the ‘Mickey’ trap. Wanting to start kids due to previous experience

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And as Bud points out in the above article, WILL gets to just be a playmaker and doesn’t have to cover much. Heck, with at least his experience in playing the motion guy, he could play SLB, too.

Regardless, I see his skill set belonging to that of a LB rather than a FS.

by ricobert1 on Mar 15, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moody

I think that he stays at strong safety. Just because he is listed at 230+ pouds, does not mean that he should get moved to LB. How do we know that he would be a good LB if he were to get moved? Didn’t Sean Taylor play at 230+ pounds at Miami and Taylor Mayes when he played at USC?

by tboston on Mar 15, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends on how he performs in the spring

If he shows that he has the ability to make the reads and play the assignments we need him to play, he’ll stay.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Mar 15, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won't that mean neither Harley, Demps , or Parks would've stepped up sufficently?

Since their skill sets are more conducive to traditional safety roles (as opposed to rover)?

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 15, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most likely

My money is on two of those three to be ahead of Moody in this scheme. I don’t think he’s going to be able to operate out of a two-high like we need him to. The staff won’t be afraid to play youth, either. Moody’s starting experience will mean absolutely nothing.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Mar 15, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd just feel more comfortable with Harley, Demps, and Parks getting the lion's share of time at S

Regardless of which two actually starts. It shows those kids are progressing and are being given a chance to develop. Which they were not under the previous regime. I’d like to see Moody in a rotation at WLB with Carr and Alexander

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 15, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Projected 2-Deep 4-3 Roster at Lineback

STRONG
1. Nigel Bradham
2. Christian Jones

MIKE
1. Vince Willams
2. Jeff Luc

WEAK
1.Kendall Smith
2. Nigel Carr

by CCDFSU07 on Mar 15, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I like it

Personal preference would be Carr starting over Smith at WLB, but if Smith is the starter I’m ok with that. As long as Smith is no longer in the middle i’m good.

by 504Nole on Mar 15, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

from C Jones vids he is not ready to play a lot at the D1 level...

I also think Kindel strong

Strong
Bradham
Smith

MIke
Vine
Luc (good call here, vince is very smart at LB and should retain the starting roll)

Weak
Carr
???

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 15, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nigel Bradham

Nigel is the star of the FSU D.
 A Wakulla High School Star…who is going to make BIG NOISE this year..2010!

by Jamie Ward on Mar 15, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

All I needed to read was that everyone agrees that Smith was miscast at MLB and will be somewhere else this year, and I was happy.

by bbnoles on Mar 16, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

i hope k smith wins a starting spot

its not his fault he was here under a horrible coach and an outdated game plan

he deserves better…

by 000111 on Mar 18, 2010 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

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