Judging Florida State's New Strength, Conditioning & Nutrition Program After 8 Weeks
Practice is cancelled for today due to inclement weather. Let's do something else. Everyone knows Florida State's new Strength & Conditioning coach Vic Viloria is a great S&C coach. We saw what he did at LSU and at SMU. Let's see what he's done in his first 8 weeks at Florida State. Since Seminoles.com will soon update its roster, we have little time left to look at the old rosters. FSU now has a top level strength and conditioning program and the results are definitely showing. The 'Noles have been focusing on leg work to build explosiveness and improve balance. Remember that these numbers are two weeks old and some players have undergone significant changes. I didn't list every player, but did get most. If a player was injured this off-season I left him off or noted the injury in order to be fair to that player. After only 8 weeks, some of these results will blow you away. Keep in mind that the old weights were taken in last August. Let's compare the old to the new:
QB
- Incredibly, considering he just underwent shoulder surgery, Christian Ponder gained 11 lbs, going from 217 to 228. And he has only 7% body fat.
- Despite having shoulder surgery, E.J. Manuel is up 3 lbs, from 223 to 226. I look for him to really pack on the muscle once his shoulder heals.
- QB Will Secord made good use of his redshirt year, gaining 10 lbs from 204 to 214
RB
- Debrale Smiley showed up at about 250 and is now down to a rock-solid 235 lbs.
- Jermaine Thomas is holding steady at 190 lbs, though I'm told he is more ripped this year.
- Lonnie Pryor has gained 11 lbs from 195 to 206.
- Chris Thompson has put on 13 lbs, going from 173 to 186 lbs on his 5'8" compact frame.
- Ty Jones is up 8 lbs from 203 to 211. He doesn't look fat either, which is good news. Perhaps he can get up to 215-220 by Fall?
- Tavares Pressley is up from 203 to 206 lbs. He's always been very well put together.
WR
This is an NFL-sized WR corps.
- Jarmon Fortson is down 3 lbs from 226 to 223. Anyone who has seen Fortson with his shirt off knows that there is no reason to worry with this guy. He's still plenty big.
- Bert Reed gained 2 lbs, up to 167 from 165 on his 5'10" frame.
- Willie Haulstead is up 5 lbs from 210 to 215 on his 6'3" frame.
- Rodney Smith is up 12 lbs from 208 to 220 on his 6'6" frame.
- A.J. Alexander is up 4 lbs from 180 to 184 and looks quite solid at 5'11"
TE
Very impressed with the tight end group! That was FSU's goal line issue if you believe it had one (and it had the best RZ offense in the last half decade of the ACC so I would suggest it did not and that it was a very rare failure). Now that should be fixed.
- Beau Reliford is up 12 lbs from 241 to 253 lbs. That's seriously impressive work.
- H-Back Jabarris Little is up 13 lbs from 226 lbs to 238 lbs.
- Matt Dunham is reportedly up 3 lbs, but I believe FSU fudged his weight last year to spare the young man some embarrassment. He's in exponentially better shape this year than last.
Inside, check out the rest of the positions including the crazy defensive back unit.
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Some of the older guys don't need to get much bigger, but the improvements made by some are quite encouraging. Many of these guys had off-season work and couldn't work out for a while. Additionally, the running component often gets these guys slimmed up for Spring then they gain more over the summer.
- Jr OT Andrew Datko has added 20 lbs to his 6'6 frame, going from 283 to 303! It's amazing what happens with a healthy shoulder and proper nutrition.
- RsFr Henry Orelus is up 2 lbs from 292 to 294, but has dropped his body fat by some incredible number. Gaining weight while dropping body fat means gaining muscle.
- RsSo OT Antwane Greenlee is up 14 lbs from 293 to 307. Really look forward to his continued progress as he could get really strong as he rehabs his knee.
- RsJr Center A.J. Ganguzza is down 3 lbs, from 268 to 265. He's always been a bit soft and will likely add weight now that he is trimmed up.
- RsSr Center Ryan McMahon is up 2 lbs from 282 to 284 lbs.
- SO Guard/Center Blake Snider is up 1 lb from 282 to 283 lbs, but he's dropped bad weight.
- Jr Guard David Spurlock, despite some off-season surgery is up from 285 to 286 lbs. I expect him to blow up this summer.
- RsFR Bryan Stork has added 24 lbs to his 6'4" frame, going from 260 lbs to 284 lbs. That's not a typo. I talked about him in the offensive line preview, but he has a bright future.
Defensive Line
- Everette Dawkins is up 11 lbs from 258 last August to 269.
- Jamar Jackson is up 8 lbs from 240 to 248 lbs.
- Brandon Jenkins is down 7 lbs from 241 to 234. I wonder if he got sick?
- Amp McCloud is down 25 lbs after showing up around 328.
- Jacobbi McDaniel is up 9 lbs from 283 to 292 lbs. He's definitely dropped some bad weight he had at the end of the season.
- Markus White is now at 262 lbs, which is impressive and he is really doing a nice job in the weight room.
Linebacker
- Nigel Bradham is up 6 lbs from 235 to 241 and he looks ridiculously cut.
- Nigel Carr is up 1 lb from 230 to 231, but you'll remember that he came in out of shape last year. Definitely more progress than a 1 lb gain.
- Jeff Luc is a freak and weighs 249 lbs.
- Vince Williams has bounced back from his back injury and checks in at a solid 252 lbs, up 7 from his 245 list last season.
Defensive Back
These guys bulked up a ton. Should help in the zone scheme.
- Dionte Allen is up 11 lbs from 172 to 183. He's always been hampered by injuries and this gain is encouraging.
- Gerald Demps is up 16 lbs! from 190 to 206. Extremely impressive for the redshirt freshman.
- JaJuan Harley is up 20 lbs from 190 to 210 lbs.
- Ochuko Jenije is up 7 lbs from 187 to 195.
- Nick Moody is officially down 2 lbs from 228 to 226 but I'm told he was heavier than 228 last year.
- Terrance Parks is up 18 lbs from 196 to 212. Wow.
- Xavier Rhodes is up 14 lbs from 195 to 209! Damn.
- Greg Reid is the same size (175 lbs)
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Rhodes gonna be able to flip those hips at 209?
I wish I knew more about his top end speed
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 17, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
T Parks put on 18 lbs??
After hearing about his laziness, I’m surprised. All good weight?
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Yeah, he’s one of the guys that I’m really surprised hasn’t had much of an impact so far. I had BIG expectations for him coming out of high school. I still think he has limitless potential if everything clicks this year.
by seminoleballer on Mar 17, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
195 for Jenije and 209 Rhodes holy lord man, we could do some serious work at the corner spot in re-routing and run support. Im loving the size of our safeties as well, we must all remember Viloria isnt going to let those guys gain bad functional weight. I am sure they are working so hard on flexiblity along with gaining the weight.
Agree
Its so hard for me to hear news and not automatically have negative thoughts, due to me going to FSU during the DOWN years. I have to learn to trust the coaches. I’m not trying to repeat whats been said multiple times, but it amazes me how much different the current mood within the program is as compared to the last couple of years. I guess what I’m trying to say is that, I saw first hand how these last couple of years was ripping apart the school and its hard to explain that to the average fan. Hopefully they will soon realize the differences when they see Jimbo’s program in action on the field. And again thanks for the great info.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
I am flabbergasted that Harley was able to gain that much, although I question the 190 a little. He was already very well put together
365 days, until I change my ways.
They pulled Jacobbi's straight from his senior year HS listed weight
365 days, until I change my ways.
well on one hand he said after 8 weeks
but if the last numbers were pulled from last August then some of the gains could have already been coming through last season and into this off season.
If someone really gained more than several pounds of actual muscle weight in two months it would not be natural. That is for sure. Then again it is naive to think other major college programs and pro players are not juicing.
Weight loss during season
If anything, a lot of players drop weight during the season because they are not lifting as vigorously and are running more. Off season and summer are the times they add weight.
Smith and Haulstead are gonna give ACC defenses fits...
Dem some big boys….
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 17, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We have 3 WRs between 215 and 225 to play the Y
We should annihilate opposing Cornerbacks (field? boundary?) annihilated on screens and run plays with these half-tracks on the field.
LSU
Just like Dwayne Bowe, Michael Clayton, Buster Davis, et al.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 17, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes, I guess should have made that Duwayne Beaux
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by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 17, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
All the new weights are still in proportion to the kids height
So I would definitely say it’s good weight. I would say Demps is trying to make some noise this year. 206 on a 5-11 frame? Around the same size as Patrick Chung in his Senior year. He should be able to pack a wallop in run support
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 17, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously, I don't want to risk Reid changing his body type in any capacity.
He was able to destroy any DI return team that kicked to him last year… hate to sound like a nancy, but don’t want to mess that up. He should run sprints and do agility drills full time.
There is NO reason why G5 cannot gain 15lbs of muscle & actually GAIN quickness/speed/explosion in the next 3 years.
Remember—the goal is for him to be the best CORNERBACK……not simply the best KR.
It’s all about building fast-twitch muscle (on everyone). Fast-twitch muscle weighs the same as slow-twitch does, but performs VASTLY differently. Additional weight can & will result in greater athletic ability….provided it is added properly (which it will be under the new regime).
Oderint Dum Metuant
Aren't certain people genetically pre-dispositioned to gaining more
fast-twitch muscle than others. I mean no matter how hard some folks work they’re still stuck w/ their genes,right?
I used to remember hearing coaches say"he’s a fast-twitch guy"
Not talking about me....
My personal best in the 40 was 4.7(not laser-timed) Although i could hang w/ every skill we had for the first 20.;)
Your genetics are a huge factor, BUT
HOW you lift determines a lot as well. The combination of Don Viloria & the nutritional program should be able to do some serious work with this canvass. I see a 190-lb freakishly athletic G5 before he leaves.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Not to take anything away from Viloria, but I bet the nutrition program is the biggest reason for the weight changes.
I think Viloria is in charge of
the nutrition program too
by fsufrenzy911 on Mar 17, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like Natzi Germany...Without the watch tower.
Yeah, right!
by truecolors on Mar 17, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh we have a watch tower
The new Fuhrer has just decided not to occupy it
"We had a little come-to-Jesus meeting. And it was fire and brimstone." Jimbo Fisher on his halftime adjustments.
by Yarborough4Heisman on Mar 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Re practice cancelled
this is why we need an indoor practice facility. we only get 14 practices plus the spring game.
Nothing can stop us....
Datko has an NFL future
A 6’6 303 LT with ridiculous experience against top caliber pass rushers could very possibly lead to a 1st round grade, regardless of technique concerns.
Love that picture
It’s hilarious how much bigger he’s gotten/how small he was for a major D-1 Offensive lineman. Props to Trickett for molding this guy into the beast he is today.
I was terrified that our first game against a D-I school (Wake) in 2008 would be a slaughter for Datko.
265 lb. left tackle is just plain wrong nowadays.
by The K-Man on Mar 18, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey Bud
Where are these prior weights coming from as well as the new adjusted ones?
by ThatDudeDan on Mar 17, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is there any chance Jenkins will move to OLB?
He’s got the speed and size more geared to play SLB than DE. Can he gain another 30pds to play at an effective weight against the run?
Unfortunately he is still a ways off but has made nice progress o er his 3 years
by Bud Elliott on Mar 17, 2010 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Too bad
I think he has a chance to be a pretty good player… liked what I saw against WVU. Hopefully Vic can put another 30+ on him in the next couple of years.
Tomahawk Nation is my Cuban coffee... BEEYAAA!
He still could
just a scary fast metabolism. Also, I believe he can’t afford outside supplements like some other players.
Think he had to sell his playstation the day. Said something about making tough choices on facebook.
Well that sucks to hear...
Seems like a good kid. I’d send him some supplements if I had his address… and if it wasn’t a violation of NCAA rules which I assume it is.
Tomahawk Nation is my Cuban coffee... BEEYAAA!
What kind of outside supplements(not insinuating anything illegal)?
I thought the supplements were all provided?
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
www.BulkNutrition.com
Oderint Dum Metuant
by DRusso97 on Mar 17, 2010 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm really excited for Datko and Greenlee
That increase is impressive. I was starting to believe Datko couldn’t put on weight but obviously injury really held him back.
Datko the new Hudson
So who’s the new Datko? :-D
Is that in reference to Bud saying you don't have a good one
on Twitter?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
My goodness!
This S&C program is no joke. The DBs must have been malnourished last season or something. The amount of weight they put on is ridiculous. Viloria is a beast.
Just curious
how about Rodney Hudson?
I know he was injured at the end of the season and that (may have) limited his off-season workout schedule, but just wondering about him.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
I was wondering why he had that huge brace on his knee in the pic I saw.
I forgot he injured it last year.
Decent job, Bud
But over at Warchant, we have pictures of all the players with their shirts off.
And with a two-year membership, new enrollees will be automatically entered into a drawing to be my personal intern for the summer.
Come on over, folks.
I'm so pumped about the JFE
Even if nothing else changed (which A LOT will/has), the Strength and Conditioning alone should have a major impact on the field during the season.
Thinking about starting a new chant at the games: JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I would much rather endow all of our athletic scholarships
and THEN get the indoor facility.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
I'm pumped
I’ve thought our players have looked small and wimpy compared to other teams over the last 5 years and I’m glad to see things changing. We got pushed around easily by less talented players and I don’t see that trend continuing.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
When watching teams like Bama on defense
I would always comment, wow those DB’s look huge (when compared to ours). It finally looks like we’ll ‘man-sized’ DB’s!
"Kill a fly with an axe"
Any concerns over Reid not putting on weight?
He does look kinda tiny against WRs and for a starting corner.
I cant see Reid ever being a lockdown corner
with that size and weight. Now in the open field? Get off G5 swaggzilla whiles hes swagsurfn. He is like a mini-primetime.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Mar 17, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he'll start
Jenije and Harris will be the starting CBs IMO.
by FloridaStateJay on Mar 17, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris
is he in Tally yet? or will he not be in there until this summer?
by Gulfport Nole on Mar 17, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I could care less if Reid is a lockdown CB
as long as he is the best return man in the nation.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
Yeah I didn't think we were running the "lock down corner" scheme any more besides.
I think IF he can tackle and learn the scheme he will be great in space.
I hate to admit I may have been wrong, but perhaps an FS in certain Downs and distances? He’s too good at ball hawking to sit the bench.
Yeah, right!
Don't know if Reid was really 175 to begin with
I mean, he actually weighed more than Dionte Allen last year?
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 17, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I am holding off judgement
Yes these numbers look very promising. But the coaches hype me up every year. I hope these gains arent puffed up to get us excited. Almost every school lies about a players true numbers.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
This is now the statement I will use to describe a particularly cold day.
“It was so cold my Jeff Luc shrunk by an inch.”
LOL
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Mar 17, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are the spring numbers listed?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
In the free photos on warchant...
There is a guy standing behind ponder with a black top and black track pants. Who is that?
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
Is it? I cant tell.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Mar 17, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If you scroll over to picture 37...
There’s another one of him with his name listed.
by TheNole9Yards on Mar 17, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant see the captions on my phone :/
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Mar 17, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Lord!
Does Viloria have a training program you can buy? I’ve got the Broad St Run here in Philly in 6 weeks and could use some results like these! LOL… Great to see the players buying into the new system!
you need to have
at great genetics and starve them with non-ideal food for most of your life.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 17, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
T Parks 212-196=16 lbs
i feel obligated to say that i hate being the math police. Great article, some of these weight gains are borderline outlandish!
I would like to volunteer....
Oderint Dum Metuant
by DRusso97 on Mar 17, 2010 8:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would like to volunteer....
….To be a mole for TN inside the New & IMPROVED FSU strength program. All I need is for one of the more “connected” higher-ups to work their magic to get me in for 1 month.
::looks @ Spetman::
I will blog daily about my experiences, gains made, and number of timed I puked/crapped my pants (simulneously). This could be a ground-breaking expose….
I will need a place to crash during the week, & will support myself by doing raunchy stand-up sets @ Potbelly’s in exchange for beer money………which I will then use to buy chicken breasts.
I fully expect to exit the program about 290 with a 4.6 40 and a 39" vertical.
I’m serious…
Did I mention I am an excellent cook??
Oderint Dum Metuant
by DRusso97 on Mar 17, 2010 9:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I cannot authorize this at this time.
Do you know what would happen to me if Don Viloria caught a mole in his organization/operation?
He’s a made man DRuss…and you don’t go messin with made men.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 17, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I promise you I would not be a “mole” in the traditional sense—I am not looking to expose dirty secrets of the program, but instead to highlight the incredible S&C/N program as a whole. If weenie journalists can be embedded in training camp with NFL/AFL teams (1 reporter went so far as to take the field for the Albany Firecats of the AFL)……..then I can be embedded into Don Viloria’s world for a month.
I think it would be nothing but good for all involved.
(why do people chop the “o” off my name?? No Italian ever had the last name of Russ)
Oderint Dum Metuant
any pictures?
of the players…maybe before and after shots. I would like to see Nigel Bradham and Jeff Luc side by side show off their physiques!
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill
by EddieWouldNole13 on Mar 17, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
no homo
haha
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill
by EddieWouldNole13 on Mar 19, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What's Xavier Rhodes 40 yd dash time?
He has unbelievable size. I still haven’t seen him play CB, but if all the things I’ve been hearing on this site and T-Buck’s analysis of him are accurate, sounds like a future 1st round pick in the making if he has a fairly good 40 time.
I can't believe how much weight the dbs have gained.
They should be laying the wood next year!
Why is it good for the DB's to bulk up in a zone scheme?
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
Don't have to turn and run with guys as often
by Bud Elliott on Mar 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
So thats why bulking up wont poorly affect their game as much, but what advantages does bulking up add?
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
Powerful hitting to jar the ball out or scaring the WR (hearing footsteps?)
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