Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Jim Irsay: We Can Make It Work With Peyton Manning

Playoff Myth #2 – Money Problems

 Inside we close the door on Myth #1 and talk money. 

 

 



Star-divide

Before moving on, let’s close the door on myth one.  MattD SWFLNole  (others too) are correct regarding the best mathematical way to determine a championship.  I don’t by any means disagree with the basic principles of their arguments (that’s why some of my points sounded contradictory).  To me their basic points are right, but the application of that information still points to playoffs.  IF the 70 plus percent who chimed in on the article is a close representation of the rest of CFB fans, and these guys were to have a playoff “crammed down their throat” then they would at least agree to the following.

 

·         A modest sized pool of applicants – George Mason and the likes have no place in a legitimate post season discussion.  College basketball (which we are only comparing to, not discussing) gets this wrong.  It’s heartwarming and touching, but they have not earned that right by playing and surviving tough regular seasons.  A smaller sized pool of teams means that those teams will validate the regular season, not diminish it, by having played well enough to earn their way in.  There will always be the really, really good teams and one or two questionable teams, but should not include the likes of teams not even good enough to make the top 10.  I would rather have a size that adds just one too many teams on some years rather than cuts out a team that should get in on others.  What size that pool of applicants should be is still up for debate. Bottom line: too big and unworthy teams get in.  Two small and a quality post season team gets left out in the cold.

·         Series determine the best teams – The premise is correct.  That gives you a better shot at determining the better of two teams.  The application, however is outlandish to me.  I don’t think a sport of the physical nature of football leans in favor of having two teams duke it out 3 or more times. Also, this affects the math.  If teams lose players to attrition from playing the same teams 2-3 times in a short amount of time before moving on, at some point you are not rewarding the best team, but the team who got beat up the least.  I know that to a lesser degree that is always true, however that is to a lesser degree.  I don’t think you can reasonably play series in football without bending the stats in the other direction.  These things should at least be kept to a minimum.

·         Strength of Schedule is a must – They are correct yet again!  Teams SHOULD be rewarded for their play during the rest of the season. We are not yet fully discussing what size a playoff should be or how to select teams, but this is a basic must…with or without a playoff!  In a playoff it could at least help to keep teams from sneaking in with no thought of a quality regular season opponent.  It would be tough to regulate with scheduling, but perhaps a minimum SOS, or even a basic admittance requirement of playing a previous years top 25 team or a team from a top 15 bowl or something along those lines.  It’s tough to know when you’re scheduling how a team will be in the future, so I’m not sure how to do this, but teams like Boise State seem like they aren’t even trying.

 

I will say that I don’t believe my myth debunking was…um…debunked, but then I never do.  I DO feel that there were valid arguments on both sides and in the end it comes down to point of view.  All of the above said let’s move on to Myth #2.

 

Risky Business

Follow the Cash!  This is always true in life.  I’m not certain we will ever get a playoff because of it.  No matter how much fans want change, until they stop paying the bills, or management feels strongly that more cash is there to be made, management will carry on as usual. 

 

So, where does the cash go in college football?  It goes to conferences (some more than others) , TV networks, magazines, schools(same here), other sports, etc.  The powers that be are raking in the cash, and the current system is doing quite well for itself.  That’s one of the arguments against a playoff system.  It would require a major change in the structure of how that cash changes hands, and ultimately is a risky venture.

 

Pause for honesty

I realize from the last “discussion” that I may not seem like the most open minded person.  I’m not that bad, though. (If you don’t believe me I’ll prove it to you…and I’ll be right)  I’m going to be honest about the fact that this myth dives into an area where I’m not all that strong.

 

Truth is I’m not a numbers guy.  I’m no idiot.  I understand statistics and big picture economic principles.  I realize that numbers always tell the true story.  (I’ll add that reading those numbers and what they mean is a huge part of that true story, and they must be interpreted correctly.  I’ll even say that in my opinion a lot of those who are the best with numbers fall into a “can’t see the forest for the trees scenario”.  They are SOMETIMES the best at doing the math, but NOT at making the best decision based on the findings) Numbers read correctly are where it’s at.  I just don’t like to poor them out on my bed and roll around in them like others on this site.   For that reason I’m going to lay open the argument, give very little definitive facts, and then throw out opinions based on sweeping generalizations.  After which, I hope those with a talent for numbers will do some actual homework and then chime in.

 

Here’s hoping!

 

Current Financial Structure:

There are four basic ways to make money in the current system: ticket sales, television, and merchandise, and sponsorship (bowls). 

 

There are obvious advantages to the traditional powerhouse teams.  They have tradition and a multi-generation deep fan base from which to draw ticket sales, TV interest, and even sell a minimum amount of merchandise.  And, all that is BEFORE we consider whether or not they are actually popular at the moment.  Cash also can ebb and flow based on teams trending up or down.  Winning certainly doesn’t hurt.  It takes winning over time to climb to the top, though.  Boise State (since we are using them nowadays) for example has got to have more cash for their football team than at any point in history, but they are new on the scene and there is no way they can compete with the big boys and their, deep pockets, conference affiliations, and old-money fan bases. 

 

How does this affect the Post season?  The BCS is probably composed of most of the better conferences and teams in the sport.  Probably, but they are definitely comprised of the most lucrative teams and conferences in the sport, because they can draw the ratings, sell the merchandise, and have more cash on hand than lesser schools and conferences. In the current system they are receiving preferential treatment. 

 

We can argue whether teams like TCU and Boise State are worthy to play with the big boys yet or not.  We cannot, however, argue whether or not they wield the same kind of power financially.  Even IF Boise State were as good as the big boys (they are not) they still would not get a fair shake at the moment.

 

The Big boys are locked into Bowl bids, and TV deals.  They are scared of supporting any system that might let someone else have a piece of the pie.  You numbers guys know that there is only one pie and only so much to go around.  If others get a bigger slice, then those with the biggest slices will end up getting smaller slices in the end.

 

Ratings Argument:

The teams and conferences who know this don’t want to talk about it that way.  So, what they do is use fear to hold back the change. 

 

The truth is they don’t want to share, but what they say is, “if we change it interest and ratings might go down.”  I don’t know how they can really believe this.  People watch football almost every night of the week now.  Not because the teams on TV are good, but because there is football, any football , on TV.  Lesser bowls are not watched because of tradition, half of those bowls didn’t even exist 20 years ago.  They are watched because we really, really like football. We would rather watch two bad teams in an over hyped bowl game than whatever else is on TV at the moment.

 

Even opponents of playoffs have commented over the past week how entertaining playoffs are.  I think a playoff could actually spike TV ratings.

 

The tickets argument:

I know ticket sales will be next to impossible for teams when fans won’t know where their teams are playing until the last minute.  I think this is the biggest obstacle of using bowls for playoffs.  I’m pretty sure the NFL system is the only way long term.  High seeds play at home.  This makes it possible for fans of the higher seeded teams to sell out the stadium.  Yes they will have home field advantage, but they’ve earned that with…you guessed it… their play in the regular season.  This further emphasizes the importance of regular season play in a playoff scenario.

 

We still haven’t discussed how the bowl split verses the home/away split might be different.  To me that is easy enough to solve.  Work it so that it is similar to the current system.  The home team sells out the tickets, but the money is taken up and distributed similar to the bowl structure per winner, and loser.

 

Another ratings issue with playoffs is regular season games.  If playoffs get to lengthy then the amount of regular season games might get chopped.  Teams in the playoffs will not be affected, nor those with tiny fan bases.  But, teams like Michigan or Tennessee could still sell out one or two more home games at 100,000 seats a pop whether they make the playoffs or not. I’m honestly not sure what the answer here is except to say that keeping the Bowls as a sort of NIT for the rest of the FBS might at least make up some of the difference.

 

Sponsors are not that big a deal.  You may even get more sponsors for the “FBS playoffs” than for “whatever individual bowl game” as it will reach a wider audience.  Merchandise need not be discussed in the playoff debate, as it is more based on a team’s popularity than the current structure vs. the old one.

 

A Viable Solution:

To me a viable solution is to make change slowly.  We already have a title game.  Next, add a plus one that uses the current major 4 bowls in some sort of rotation.  Then move to 2 major bowl play-ins , the other 2 as semi’s, and a final in the title game.    If at some point you run into a ticket sales issue THEN discuss separating the playoff teams from the bowl teams.  Notice I think Bowls can still make money as a quasi-NIT sort of deal.  Other solutions are possible here, but I’m saying take it one step at a time… 4 teams then 6, though I don’t personally support one much bigger than that.

 

We can really go to town discussing structures from the competition/fairness standpoint, but let’s do that in a future post. For now keep structural talk relevant to how it affects money.

 

Let the shredding begin!

Poll
How big of a problem is money to a playoff system?
A. VERY important - the cash simply cannot be made and disiminated in a similar way.
9 votes
B. VERY important - however it can be overcome.
19 votes
C. NOT VERY important - they can easily make just as much cash or more in a playoff.
12 votes
C. UNDECIDED - please take the time to comment why.
1 votes

41 votes | Poll has closed

Comment 56 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Still anti-playoff, but still very interested in the discussion...

I don’t see money as a substantial obstacle to a playoff. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are some old fogies left in conference and university administration that would be fearful of a playoff because it would represent change, but I think anyone who took a long look at the economics would realize that there should be at least as much money in a playoff as there is in the bowls.

I always like to point out the “costs” of a switch to a playoff, and I think your “tickets argument” illustrates another of those costs. I think the ultimate result of the playoffs would be the almost complete loss of bowl games. Initially there may be an attempt to utilize the bowls for a playoff. The bowls have an infrastructure in place, and they have a “name” with the fans.

But eventually I agree with you, money will lead the conferences and universities to move playoff games on campus. The conferences and universities will see the money generated from their playoff, and see how much of it they are giving up to the bowls without the bowls doing much in return. By this point, people will be coming to the games because of their importance to the playoffs, not because of the history of the bowl or the exotic locale, and even more will be able to come if the games are played on campus. It will be an easy choice for the conferences and universities to cut the bowls out of the picture and take all the money for themselves.

This would result in the bowls either folding up, or filling their ranks with teams from outside the playoffs. Essentially NIT status, as you alluded to, and we all know how popular the NIT is these days.

For those that are full steam ahead supporting a playoff, the loss of the bowls probably doesn’t mean much. For those of us who like the bowls, their (near) extinction would be a big loss for college football.

by 38Noles on Mar 17, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for input...good thoughts... as far as unpopular NIT...

I don’t think it would be as bad as all that. With a 65 team playoff most of the quality teams are off the table for the NIT.

Football playoffs, IMO can’t get too big, so there would still be some entertaining matchups.

Also, I think football is more popular in general, and I’d rather watch NIT football than the first third of the ridiculouly long basketball season come December.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 17, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wetzel’s playoff plan

here is a very detailed plan for a playoff system by Dan Wetzel from rivals.com

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-ncaafplayoff120709&pr

by beezyfsu on Mar 17, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I really like this idea A LOT

Although I might suggest a hybrid version that includes some of the bigger bowls in the 3rd round but gives the preferential treatment to the location of those locales based on factors like proximity and traditional tie-ins

unfortunately it makes too much sense to overcome though

by Cigar City Nole on Mar 18, 2010 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

16 game playoff is stupid. It basically renders the regular season useless. I do not watch College Basketball anymore. When was the last time “Cinderella” won the whole thing? 4 teams would be the most we should ever have. Why does everything have to be uniform in America now?

by Jturner01 on Mar 20, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

dont agree

I don’t understand the argument that a playoff would “renders the regular season useless.” How? To me it would validate a regular season. If you are conference champs every year in an “easy” conference then your OOC is the only way you will be able to get a decent seed and possibly home field advantage. I just don’t see how the regular season would change if you had a playoff.

Referring to Cinderella’s, I don’t expect a team like Troy to beat Alabama. But teams like Boise State could either make a name for themselves by beating an elite program and possibly going all the way to the championship game, or be put back in their place by getting embarrassed by an elite team.

In this system no one can complain that they deserved to be in the championship game. Sure teams will say “we should have been an at-large team, not them” but you know what? If you don’t win your conference then there’s no guarantees, so sad.

Plus if teams from the Sun Belt, C-USA, MAC, etc. can’t ever play for a title then why are they in D-1A (FBS) football? Why not make another division just for the Big Six programs?

by beezyfsu on Mar 20, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a large playoff (more than 4 teams) would undoubtedly change the regular season, though the degree of that change is debatable.

As it stands right now, a team pretty much has to go undefeated to feel anything close to comfortable about getting a national championship shot. Sometimes you can get there with one loss, one team recently even made it with two, but for the most part you need to be undefeated to feel safe (and even that may not be enough). Under an 8 or 16 team playoff, the elite programs could afford a loss (or two) and still know they would get a shot at the title. That would be a major change to how the regular season played out.

There would still be battles for seeding, but there is no way the competition for a high seed would ever match the current competition for the two spots in the National Championship Game. Think about it this way, would all those great matchups with the Gators from the 90s have been so intense if both teams had known they were headed to the playoffs? Do the wide right games feel as bad if all it means is FSU will have to go on the road in the playoffs instead of being the top seed?

by 38Noles on Mar 21, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

Nobody watches College Basketball, regular season. Look at the ratings. It is boring and means NOTHING. Does it really matter if we lose to Duke and North Carolina and maybe 2 or 3 other teams? Then why watch those games they do not mean much. Try that in Football. You may not win the conference much less get to the Championship.

by Jturner01 on Mar 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent point. For teams that consider themselves national title contenders in football, that dream is on the line every single week of the season. If Terrance Cody doesn’t come through with the blocked kicks last season for Bama, all of that Saban “process” would have gone down the drain. I think that brings out the best in teams, and I love watching that as a fan.

For the top basketball contenders, their dream really isn’t on the line until the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament.

by 38Noles on Mar 22, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind that a weak team on year one is not going to be nearly as week on year 10 of this system. If, using Wetzel’s example, Temple were consistently in the playoffs they’re recruiting would increase. Coaches from Temple could show that the team has a real, tangible, if not miniscule, chance to win a title every year. Not only that but players would be able to showcase their abilities on a national stage. Interests from recruits would surely increase in these schools.

Having 16 teams makes things exciting because of the possability of a cinderella team. However, everybody really hopes they lose. Look at the basketball tournament. People think the NIU/KU game was exciting but I guarentee that the further teams lik NIU go, the worse the ratings get. These teams are not supposed to win, only keep the games close giving the illusion that they could win.

by evenflow58 on Mar 26, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if this is true or not, but I read somewhere on the internet several years

ago that by rule, any 8-team or greater playoff comes under the jurisdiction of the NCAA. I was unable to find anything on the internet tonight backing that theory up, but it may not matter whether there is a specific number or not.

The error playoff proponents make is they say, “Why wont they go to a playoff, it would mean huge ratings?” Well, they are right, but the operative word here is “they.” Right now, the money goes to the BCS system, controlled by the BCS conferences. There is no NCAA involvement in that system, because, as we know, the NCAA does not crown a champion at the Division I-A level. It is, as they say, a “mythical” championship.

Try and set up a playoff, and power in college football transfers from the BCS conferences to the NCAA. Forget the ticket sales; they are irrelevant. What matters is who is sitting across from FOX, CBS, ABC, and so on, when the contracts for post-season play are negotiated. Right now, the BCS conferences are. Anybody care to wager on whether or not they will give that seat up voluntarily?

Of course, if the NCAA would somehow try to “force” a playoff upon Division I-A, the BCS conferences could simply threaten to leave, and take basketball with them. Argument over.

So, it was probably just luck that the NCAA created the basketball tournament prior to the explosion of televised sports, so that they got to be the ones negotiating the television contracts for postseason basketball. Either way (BCS or NCAA), you got a bunch of fat cats making millions, and the only ones getting screwed are the players themselves.

All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.

by GoNolzOhio on Mar 17, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

and by the way, the only thing that might change this equation in the foreseeable future

would be pressure from the federal government, and this issue is certainly NOT under their jurisdiction.

All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.

by GoNolzOhio on Mar 17, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is obviously a doomsday scenario, but imagine having to square off in Hogtown during the playoffs during an odd numbered year.

Going to Gainesville every other year is taxing enough. Imagine the orange and blue tailgating experience twice in the same month. (Shudders)

by The K-Man on Mar 18, 2010 4:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

My feelings

If enough of the right people want a playoff, they can work out the money.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Mar 18, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

This is the key question...like GoNolzOhio said the conferneces hold the money and don't want to let it go.

I’m not a legal guy, but I’m pretty sure they can find a way to call it BCS playoffs or some other nonsense to keep it out of the NCAA’s back pockett.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 18, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my primary problem is that I kind of have an issue

that a team can get hot for the last month of the season and be the “Champs”. We’ve discussed at length the David vs Goliath principles in college football (not so much in the NFL), and that anything can happen in a 1 game.

I guess something just seems inherently wrong to me that a 10-6 team can be crowned the champs over a 15-1 team based off of 1 game. But hey, what do I know. It is what it is.

Look at March Madness. 65 teams? Let that sink in for a second. If it weren’t for all the fun of putting together the brackets, watching your team go on a run, and the excitement of anything can happen, it would be ridiculous. While not likely, any one of those 65 teams could be crowned the national champion, regardless of resume or record.

I understand it is difficult for anyteam to make it through the tournament, but it could happen. Really it’s just highly entertaining. Who know guys liked a Cinderella story so much. In a way though, it’s more like winning the lottery vs working hard your whole life. The lottery gets you rich quick, but you didn’t earn it.

Just my “not thought out too well” opinion. Maybe I’ll even read the post later :) Just kidding.

by jasonole59 on Mar 18, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. I'm open to discussion, but I think it needs to be a very limited field.

We can’t follow the NFL mold exactly. 32 teams vs 120 teams, many more conferences. It would require a complete realignment of CFB. And I think we can improve the current system instead of a complete realignment.

by jasonole59 on Mar 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are they not already asked that at a lower level? If you are worried about their studies just look at college baseball. Those kids are really only in school for the Fall semester and the NCAA keeps making it harder for them to go to school.

by evenflow58 on Mar 26, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

All that says to me is that you prefer cross country runners over sprinters

If 2 runners were asked to run 10 miles, and one of them trained for marathons and the other for sprints, most of the time the marathon runner would win.

However, if both runners are asked to start @ the same time and in the same place for the last mile, the sprinter has a greater chance of winning. While he will be more tired than the marathon runner, his potential to win a sprint is far greater.

Should we chastise his talents as a sprinter simply because he could not keep up with the marathon runner for the first 9 miles?

by Trus1te on Mar 18, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I’m saying I prefer to reward the teams that show up to play every week, and don’t just have a great month, however, only if the is SOS component. Like I said, I think we can change the current system and improve it, but I’m no expert. I have no problem with a 4-6 team playoff because you arguably rewarding teams that deserve to be there.

by jasonole59 on Mar 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My problem with the current system

If you assume that big programs will mostly always stay big; Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Texas, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, USC…. there is no room for the other 119 teams to win a championship.

Inevitably, two of those 15 teams will rise to the top of the rankings every year and play for the championship. In the last, 40 years, those teams have won the NCAA Championship or a share of it, 37 times.

Why we wouldn’t want a simple playoff system is beyond me. I just think it’s ridiculous to send a kid to play for a school like UCLA or Maryland or South Carolina and have the chance of even getting to PLAY for a championship be close to ZERO.

by Neon Deion on Mar 18, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

well those schools aren't "usually" getting the the same talent as the previously mentioned schools,

yet they get to start there and have a shot to make money in the NFL, which is probably their main goal anyway.

by jasonole59 on Mar 18, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is still possible for a middle of the road program or worse to break into that group that can contend for the title every year. Look at your list, and think about where Miami, Florida State, and Florida were in 1980. It definitely wouldn’t be easy, but still possible.

by 38Noles on Mar 18, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oregon almost played for a title. They’ve been relatively quite before ‘00 as I recall. A few years ago BC was undefeated before playing us. I would say it’s very possible for a team like UMd or UCLA to play for a NC. However, those schools have either made questionable decisions at coaching spots or do not show the same commitment as other schools, like UF, Alabama, USC, UT, etc.

by evenflow58 on Mar 26, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

George Mason

GM defeated a 6, 3, 7 and 1 seed before being knocked off by the 3 seeded tournament champions in the final four of 2006. How can you state that a team like GM did not belong in the tournament? If you gave any other team in the tournament that schedule over a 2 week period they would be bound to lose at least 1 game.

Now, basketball is a completely different game than football, and greatness is often equated with endurance. But you cannot tell me that teams like GM should automatically be barred from the post season because they didn’t have to play Maryland, UNC, Duke, BC and NC State 2x in the regular season. Heck, in basketball, having experience against elevated opponents is often more beneficial than not having played said opponents. Teams like GM are at a huge disadvantage as they have not been forced to face teams with far superior size, speed and talent. There is very little attrition factor in basketball.

by Trus1te on Mar 18, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

You are using results to prove a decision. You can’t include how George Mason did in the tournament because that was not know at the time of the decision. Sure they did well, but could another team not have done that? Also, was George Mason the team most deserving at that shot?

by evenflow58 on Mar 26, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

With a 4 team playoff

no unworthy team is getting in. So we can lay that argument to rest. But what a 4 team playoff does is make sure that worthy teams are not left out…like Texas year before last, or USC the year that LSU and OU played the BCS game, or the year that undefeated Auburn was shut out.

And in reality, a 4 team playoff is almost exactly the same as a +1. It just ensures that the final 2 come from a pool of the “consensus” 4 best as opposed to the pool having lesser teams involved because of bowl affiliations.

I just don’t see the logic against it except the monet aspect.

by fsuclipper on Mar 18, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the biggest strike against a plus one is something I’ve heard referred to as “bracket creep.” Over time there will be more money in expanding the playoff, and fans will also complain about that really great 5th place team that got left out.

Pretty much every sport that has gone to a playoff has expanded it. As I pointed out in the other thread, FCS/Div 1AA started with a 4 team playoff 30 years ago, and next year they’ll be playing in a 20 team playoff!

by 38Noles on Mar 18, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must bring back SOS into the formula, then #1 plays #3 at home, and #2 plays #4 at home, in mid-December. This gives the two higher ranked teams a extra home game with the corresponding revenue, plus a bigger than usual payout to the visiting team.

Then the two winners play for the national championship in early January, maintaining the present rotating BCS bowl system currently in place. The 2 losing teams would still be eligible for the bowl game attached to their conference affiliation.

BTW, #‘s 1-4 seeds are to be taken from the BCS poll, which has now added back SOS (RPI), regardless of their conference affiliation. The #1 thru #4 ranked teams, that’s all.

This keeps
A) the current bowl system in place and the bowl sponsors happy,
2) eliminates the argument that the regular season is rendered meaningless by a one game playoff,
D) adds $$$ to the coffers of the top 4 teams because even the teams ranked #2 and #4 will still make a extra payday even though they are playing a road game,
VII) adds a meaningful playoff game in mid-December which
      A) keeps fans interested in college football in December where currently the only games being played during this time are scrub bowls,
      2) keeps the 4 teams focused on football eliminating the current 4-6 week layoff between the final regular season/conference championship game and the MNC game.

I know there may have possibly been a time when there were more than 4 teams in contention for the MNC, but I don’t ever remember it happening. If there was, I am sure someone on this board will correct me. Under the FrankD Playoff System© only the top 4 teams have a shot at the MNC NCAA Recognized National Championship.

I don’t think it is really all that complicated to maintain the best of the current system while eliminating the possibility of a disputed championship.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Mar 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The power to get a playoff system is in our hands people

The moment fans stop paying $100+ a ticket for meaningless bowl games, the moment playoff discussions will seriously take place.

by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 19, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

So....

a school like FSU that can’t even fill up it’s own stadium during the regular season (or fully endow scholarships)… Will some how reach a fever pitch b/c there’s a playoff and… (despite a meaningless regular season) travel to games & be more involved? Please tell me you have more than this bunk?

by Antonym on Mar 19, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

One more thing...

“The home team sells out the tickets, but the money is taken up and distributed similar to the bowl structure per winner, and loser.’

There is no financial gain for winning a bowl game. You get your equal share and after expenses the remainder goes to the conference to be distributed evenly among the other conference members.

by Antonym on Mar 19, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not force conferences to play each other?

It would require all of the conferences to have 12 teams and a championship to make a level playing field. I propose that the 2nd weekend of the season 2 BCS conferences face each other from top to bottom. This would give us a better sample size to see what conferences truly are the premier. Each team would play a home and away against that conference from one year to the next. The conferences would just continue to rotate which one plays each other every 2 years. For instance ACC vs SEC two years in a row. Then the ACC vs Big 10 for 2 years in a row. This system would make the regular season more interesting bc teams like Alabama and Florida can’t schedule only cupcakes. But most importantly we can see how conferences matchup from top to bottom.

I also think we should have a plus one to eliminate any undefeated team form not having a shot at the title but thats another debate. Another consideration would be to force BCS conferences to rotate playing non-BCS conferences every so many years in a similar system.

Take Doak Back!!!

by nole4ever on Mar 21, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

We talk FSU

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Fsu1_small
Ongoing/Off-Topic Discussion Thread #71
Eddiegoldman_small
2013 Recruiting Discussion Thread #2
Small
ACC Offensive Line Game 1 Starters- A Statistical Breakdown
Noleccav2_small
An All Inclusive Spring Weekend?
Small
One Guy's 2012-2013 FSU Football Roster & Recruiting Analysis

Recent FanPosts

Small
Projected 2012 FSU Football Schedule Thoughts
Small
Offensive Line help
Noleccav2_small
FSU Softball Starts Season 5-0
Small
WAY-TOO-EARLY 2013 Mock Class
Small
The 2013 Recruiting Targets...from a fan
Osceola_unconquered_small
Consider the Big 12...

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

SHOP THE TOMAHAWK NATION STORE

Florida State Seminoles Apparel


Chiefs

Recruiting_image_small Bud Elliott

Editors

Miller_small basaltrock

Img_4552_small TrueCubbie

Winston_small nolesblogger

Small Fsued

Doak_1968_small pbysh

Vacation_013_small MattDNole

Rolle_small DKfromVA

Nattylite3_small Nattylite

Peter_ernie_small The K-Man

Fsu1_small FrankDNole

Robbowtiedrink_small ricobert1

Florida-county-map_small SWFLNole.

Highlife_small fsu44

Seminoleswag_small NoleLaw

41297_568178558869_41806189_33516186_4798385_n_small BenDNole

Photo-2_small Dr.KennethNoisewater

Avatar_2_small SheenaLouise

Go-fsu-seminoles-red_small Michael@TN

Macho-man-randy-savage-7_small ScottCrumbly

Screenhunter_02_oct Michael Rogner

Authors

Db_small Chris Gadsden

1209_large_small FSUvaFan

Westcott1_small NoleThruandThru

Second_to_fsu_small Jamil Dawson