Report: Florida State's Defensive Players Didn't Have Playbooks In 2009

how does that even happen? doesn’t pop warner use play books?

the term that is a proper term to use here. just appalled

Hope our D will be able to grasp our new scheme/coaching faster than expected. I’m sure we’ll see some confusion on the field come fall but I’m at a loss for words.

threw up in my mouth a little

Even with it as a man coverage base I would expect them to send a small playbook home with some details written out.

I just don’t get it. So many questions running through my head that I almost can’t decide what to post. MA was one of the best in the country for years so how could he let it get that bad? Or was it so hard to get the coaches under him on the same page that he just gave up and tried to handle what was directly under his control? How do you let the D-line go an entire year without practicing together? How did we have a D1 staff that did less work than a HS staff?

It is unbelievable to me, that the coaches LITERALLY said ‘Go out and make a play.’ The guys playing corner must have had just as much prep as someone who went out and played 5 on 5 – “I got this guy!”

and whether there has ever been a defensive playbook.

because this makes no sense, no playbook? or may be they just didn’t care anymore.

The worst is behind us and hopefully it will never get that way again, accountability is the key. I also enjoy reading from multiple interviews with the players, that they GET IT. They realize what needs to be done. The talk about working together and leadership, shows how far the team has come in so short of time.

Its amazing how much money was wasted on the old Staff. We should hunt them down! Then Tar and Feather them.

Chris Thompson is thick.

This is unbelievable. Then again, if your scheme is ‘look confused’, then I guess you shouldn’t be surprised when those are the results you get. Just terrible.

With the time already spent under the new S&C staff, 13 more spring practices, and a whole summer to continue development, I think the defense is going to come together nicely by the fall (short of any big injuries).

I used to think this year’s defense would end up ranked in the 50-60 range, but the more we learn about the prior staff, the more I think last year’s results were a reflection of coaching not talent.

Do I think the new staff can coach and develop the existing talent? Yes I do.

Do I think the prior staff should be charged with theft of university funds? Yes I do.

question, who was the defensive player with dreads (not t.parks) i think he was number23?

/Gripper

A)this can not be real.
2)Someone please help me pick my jaw off the floor.
D)I’m logging out before i get sicker,I can’t believe this

I know for a fact that some high schools give defensive playbooks to their players. We are a division 1 school and didn’t give our kids playbooks last year? That is inexcusable on the coaches parts, and unfair to the players.

And Bobby basically begged him to come back last year. I don’t so much blame Mickey because of the family problems he had, but I blame Bobby because its the head coach’s job to make changes when a coach can no longer perform.

but this enrages me. I’ve taken all the news about the lack of procedural efficiencies during the latter years of Bobby’s regime with a grain of salt, but this is the proverbial last straw. I am beyond happy that this team is "under new management,’ because situations like this are an affront and insult to the tradition of Florida State football, and the expectations of it’s fans. Not even the Bowdenistas can deny how terrible this is.

Inexcusable is an understatement.

I kinda feel bad for treating Korey Mangum as my kick ball everytime some junk went bad on D. Now, I understand that he was the last line of something other than defending.

Sorry Korey.

and on ebay I found someone supposedly selling an fsu defensive playbook for the 1998 season>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/FLORIDA-STATE-SEMINOLES-4-3-DEFENSE-PLAYBOOK!-*ANDREWS*_W0QQitemZ170459434645QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20100316?IMSfp=TL100316142007r20897

copy and paste the entire link

Think about. Think long and hard about our defense the past 2 years, especially ’09. Did the blitzes exhibit any semblance of a coordinated effort? Did the D-Line stunts appear orchestrated in any way? Did our potential 1st-round pick Patrick Robinson always seem confident in his responsibilities?
The answer to these queries is “No”.
What if these calamitous errors, these unadulterated mental collapses took place despite a 300-page playbook to reference? What would that say about the competency of the current defensive roster?
Nigel dropped a good news bomb on us today if you ignore the ugly tree and embrace the wondrous forest that lies ahead.

I’m actually thrilled to hear this.

What has happened has happened, it feels good knowing what a disadvantage the players were at, as it bodes well for what will happen with a competent staff.

When Raysn posted about the analysis of how many teams jumped a certain number of rankings on defense from one year to the next, I doubt too many teams had completely this level of crap happening.

Lets just hope the damage isn’t too great.

This is, of course, appalling. But also exceptionally good news for the present. It means that proper coaching should — potentially, at least — be able to elevate our defense much faster than we might have feared before.

Especially when you pair it with proper S&C coaching.

Bud makes a fair point that these poor kids are now far behind in learning playbooks and fully grasping how to play real defense, but even taking that into account, this story suggests to me that our guys should be able to make up a lot of their potential very quickly by simply having access to competent coaching.

We’re still going to have a long way to go to get back to elite-level football, but get beyond the shock of the previous regime’s incompetence.

What this is is more low-hanging fruit to pick.

I’m actually relieved to hear that we didn’t have a playbook at all, which helps explains the past two year’s defense, along with where Mickey’s priorities have been. But my question is, why didn’t we hear about this before??