Preview and Game Thread: Florida State Seminoles vs Gonzaga Bulldogs, 7:10pm EST
by TrueCubbie on Mar 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT
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What a start to the tournament? Georgetown and Marquette fall. Multiple overtime games an nail biters galore. Tonight, the Florida State Seminoles take on the Gonzaga Bulldogs and hope to continue the madness. After a 22-9 season, a third place finish in the ACC with an early departure in the ACC tournament, the Seminoles earned a 9-seed in the NCAA Tournament and the opportunity to play the Gonzaga Bulldogs. Tonight, the Seminoles look to avoid another early tournament departure as they take on the 18th ranked Bulldogs.
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Game Time: 7:10pm EST
Opponent's Site: The Slipper Still Fits
Television: CBS
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
Tonight's match up features two teams that are eerily similar but couldn't be more different. The similar features are that both teams feature very young lineups with a great deal of size. Both play primarily man to man defense and both shoot terribly from the free throw line. And that is where the similarities end. This is the first time that Gonzaga and Florida State have played each other.
The Gonzaga Bulldogs finished 26-6 on the year and lost in the second round of the WCC tournament to St. Mary's. The Bulldogs played a brutal out of conference schedule that included the likes of Michigan State, Wisconsin, Cincinnati, Wake Forest, Duke, Illinois and Mephis, with the majority of their out of conference games being played on the road. Their only two conference losses were to San Francisco and Loyola Marymount, both of which were considered 'bad losses' by Ken Pomeroy. The did, however, beat St. Mary's in both of their regular season match-ups.
The Conversation:
To learn a little more about the Bulldogs, we had the opportunity to sit down with the guys at The Slipper Still Fits. Take a minute to check out their site to see our answers to their questions. This was posted as a story earlier in the week and sorry if it is a repeat for you, but it's best to hear it straight from the source:
1. Unfortunately, most ACC fans impression of Gonzaga was their performance against the Blue Devils. That game does not reflect the quality of basketball that was played by Gonzaga this year. What is the 'real' Gonzaga like? How would you describe this team to the casual fan? Should they be an 8 seed, playing across the country?
Your description is spot on. Gonzaga's perception nationally is very unfortunate; probably more unfortunate than I care to admit. As fans of such a irregular program like Gonzaga, you never really know how the world views you. Some think you're a cute mid-major that plays in an awful conference and some think you are a consistently overrated team that the media has fallen in love with. The Zags definitely didn't help themselves this season to sway any naysayers. Their two most "national" games were the Duke game and the WCC Championship against Saint Mary's. Both resulted in laid eggs. For that reason it is really hard to define this team as anything but inconsistent. The good thing, however, is that can make them incredibly dangerous in tournament settings if they get hot. The real Gonzaga is driven around Elias Harris. The Zags are at a whole different level when the offense is working around him because he can score from anywhere on the court and in a variety of ways. If he is active and involved early on, I don't think there is a team in the country Gonzaga can't beat. If he's out of the mix and having to work too much to create on offense, there isn't a team in the country that Gonzaga can't lose to. We've kinda boiled this team down to that fact.
There's not really a doubt in my mind that Gonzaga should be in that seven-eight seed area and away from the West coast. Losing two conference games to teams not even sniffing the tournament really broke this team's back. The nineteen point loss in the tournament championship game was just reassurance that this team was not worthy of being "protected" by the committee.
2. With a 26-6 record, the Bulldogs didn't struggle with many opponents this year. But, against what type of team did Gonzaga have their most success? What kind of teams/style of play caused them to struggle?
Like I said in the previous question, so much of this team's success lies on the shoulders of Elias Harris. At the beginning of the season, Harris was still an unknown German freshman. After the Michigan State game, Maui, and the rest of conference play, the nation woke up and really began gameplanning around him. Since then, Gonzaga has really struggled matching up with physical opposition. What most of the West Coast Conference did against Gonzaga was just hit them. Whenever Matt Bouldin, Steven Gray, or any other guard went to the hoop, they were either fouled or just defended very physically. This tends to throw them, especially Bouldin, off their game. If Matt feels like he's not getting calls early, he really struggles to get himself going. Moving into the post, the same can be said for Gonzaga's center, Robert Sacre. Rob has shown tremendous flashes all season long but he still lacks consistent assertiveness that all great big men have. If he doesn't receive the ball in "scoring position" he will typically turn the ball over because he's still very raw dribbling in the post and controlling his body. The Gonzaga coaching staff has had a hard time knowing how to use Rob throughout the year. Sometime they force feed him early to get him going but, and this is going to sound old, he gets better if Harris is the focal point. Defense is drawn away from Rob and the rest of the team when Elias demands attention and his presence opens up lanes all over the court.
By now, I expect Florida State fans to be salivating because they are exactly the defensive team GU struggles against. Athletic, long, and very physical is what I have gathered regarding the Noles defense. For the Zags to combat this, the game must be played from the inside-out to try and use their size to "out-tough" FSU.
3. Matt Bouldin, Steven Gray and Elias Harris appear to be the three headed monster for the Bulldogs. Out of those three, who do you think will give the Seminoles the most difficulty? Aside from the big three, who should Seminoles' fans be familiar with before this game starts? One shot left, who gets the ball?
With as much as I've talked about Elias Harris, I have to take this opportunity discuss Steven Gray. I think that Gray is the answer to two of your questions (I hope). He should get the ball with the clock winding down and he can present the most issues to Florida State. I say that for one reason and that is because Gonzaga truly needs him to be exceptional. Against a team like FSU where penetration from the outside may be limited, the Zags need Gray to hit shots from the outside and pull their defense out. While Matt Bouldin is sort of the jack-of-all-trades for this team, Steven is the most pure and explosive scorer. If he gets hot from the perimeter, he can put down four before you blink. He's also turned in to the total package and can drive to the rack or pull up for a mid-range jumper. He's also one of the few Zags that has been playing consistently lately and that, hopefully, will carry over to Friday.
In a game where I believe Gonzaga has to hit a certain point total to win, I think instant offense is going to be crucial off the bench. For that reason, the guy you should get to know is Canadian via Sudan transplant Bol Kong. Kong is a redshirt sophomore in his first season since transferring down and getting through his lengthy visa issues. He became the Zags primary bench player early in the season but cooled off during conference play and has since seen a little resurgence. You'll likely see Kong camping out around the three-point line waiting for the kick out pass. If he hits his first shot, watch out. He can bury a couple quick ones and give Gonzaga the lift it needs.
4. Florida State has one of the highest turnover percentages in all of college basketball. Gonzaga doesn't force many turnovers. What impact will turnovers play in this game?
I don't really see turnovers playing a huge role in terms of Gonzaga forcing them. This team really lacks the necessary experience from top to bottom to really take major defensive risks and it is just not really in Mark Few's nature to roll out a team that is going to put serious pressure on a team. The Zags also recently lost key reserve Mangisto Arop to a broken foot. Arop was one of Gonzaga's best situational defenders and was easily their most efficient rebounder. With his loss, the Bulldogs' hope to make a serious defensive impact really goes down. Steven Gray will get a few steals, Matt Bouldin might gather one or two up, and Demetri Goodson will force a few but
5. What does Gonzaga need to do in order to win this game?
I think in games like these, there is never really one blueprint a team has to follow to win. I do think that it is entirely possible for this game to be really decided within the first ten minutes. Tempo and style in this game are going to be so crucial. If it is a knock 'em dead, drag 'em out affair, I have very little hope that the Zags can sustain. If they can get going early and play the inside-out game with Harris and Sacre, I feel like this is a game Gonzaga can dominate. The flip side of the coin is that Gonzaga has been notoriously slow starting this season but it's hard to know whether that is due to lack of motivation or some larger reason. Overall, I can't see them needing any sort of wake-up call for an NCAA Tournament game which makes me very confident.
Thanks again to Zach and Max at Slipper Still Fits for taking the time to answer our questions.
Four Factors:
Gonzaga finished 56th in Pomeroy Rankings with the 46th ranked offensive efficiency and the 65th ranked defensive efficiency. The stat that really jumps out is their ability to shoot the ball. Their eFG% on the year was 54.4% and they shot 54.3% from inside the arc. Surprisingly, Gonzaga does not take a significant amount of three point shots, which may play into the hands of the Seminoles. One of the reasons they didn't need to rely on the three point shot is that they are one of the tallest teams in the nation and are very physical on the inside. When they do shoot from down town, they are making 36.5% of their shots. The fact that they can shoot so well from beyond the arc should be concerning for Semionles fans.
The Stats (From StatSheet.com):
| PPG | FG% | FT% | 3P% | RPG | ORPG | DRPG | APG | TPG | SPG | BPG | FPG | ||
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FSU | 68.5 | 45.5 | 64.6 | 33.6 | 38.0 | 12.7 | 25.3 | 13.9 | 16.8 | 8.4 | 6.3 | 17.8 |
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GONZ | 77.6 | 49.4 | 66.3 | 36.2 | 38.2 | 10.7 | 27.5 | 13.5 | 13.1 | 6.7 | 4.2 | 18.0 |
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FSU Opponents | 60.2 | 37.4 | 66.8 | 32.8 | 32.5 | 12.2 | 20.2 | 9.7 | 16.1 | 8.0 | 2.4 | 18.6 |
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GONZ Opponents | 67.0 | 40.5 | 64.7 | 32.5 | 33.2 | 11.2 | 22.0 | 12.0 | 13.1 | 6.7 | 2.9 | 21.4 |
| POS | PPG | PPP | FLR% | Eff | eFG% | TS% | FTR | 2P% | FTP% | 3P% | OR% | DR% | A% | A/T | T% | S% | B% | ||
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FSU | 2105.0 | 67.9 | 1.01 | 52.7 | 100.9 | 50.9 | 53.5 | 38.8 | 54.8 | 19.7 | 25.4 | 38.6 | 67.4 | 56.6 | 0.83 | 24.7 | 12.4 | 11.5 |
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GONZ | 2249.0 | 70.3 | 1.1 | 55.6 | 110.4 | 54.4 | 57.3 | 49.4 | 55.6 | 23.1 | 21.3 | 32.6 | 71.1 | 49.8 | 1.03 | 18.6 | 9.5 | 7.1 |
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FSU Opponents | 2105.0 | 67.9 | 0.89 | 46.1 | 88.6 | 43.2 | 47.0 | 33.9 | 47.1 | 20.8 | 32.2 | 32.6 | 61.4 | 47.1 | 0.6 | 23.7 | 11.8 | 4.4 |
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GONZ Opponents | 2249.0 | 70.3 | 0.95 | 48.7 | 95.3 | 45.8 | 48.8 | 33.5 | 53.2 | 19.1 | 27.7 | 28.9 | 67.4 | 50.0 | 0.92 | 18.6 | 9.5 | 5.2 |
Lineups (From Seminoles.com):
Florida State Seminoles
F #31 Chris Singleton (10.3 ppg, 7.1 rpg)
F #42 Ryan Reid (6.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg)
C #32 Solomon Alabi (11.6 ppg, 2.4 bpg)
G #21 Michael Snaer (8.8 ppg, 2.6 rpg)
G #22 Derwin Kitchen (8.2 ppg, 3.9 apg)
Gonzaga Bulldogs
F #00 Robert Sacre 7'0 247lbs Sophomore (10.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg)
F #20 Elias Harris 6'7 215lbs Freshman (14.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg)
G #3 Demetri Goodson 5'11 164lbs Sophomore (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg)
G #15 Matt Bouldin 6'5 224lbs Senior (15.8 ppg, 4.1 apg)
G #32 Steven Gray 6'5 208lbs Junior (13.7 ppg, 2.8 spg)
Keys to the Game:
1. Don't let Gonzaga get an early lead. As we all know, Florida State's offense is not able to easily recover from a big deficit. It's possible, particularly if Singleton and Dulkys are shooting well, but but likely. A lot of people are picking the Noles to win this game and are writing the Bulldogs off, that is dangerous. Gonzaga is going to come out swinging and try to get the Noles out of this game early. They will try to get our big men in foul trouble early and try to take away any advantage the Noles have inside.
2. Turnovers, Turnovers, Turnovers. Gonzaga doesn't turn the ball over all that often. Florida State does. But, Gonzaga does not generate many turnovers despite playing a significant amount of man to man defense. If Florida State does get turnover happy, make it the dead ball kind. No easy points for the Bulldogs in transition. Allow the defense to set up. Chris Singleton can only chase so many guys down during a game.
3. Free throws. Take the easy points. Neither team shoots well from the line. This could be one of the major keys to the game. In close games, the free throw line can make a world of difference. We have already seen the impact of free throws in this tournament. Get to the line early and often and make it count.
4. Wear them down. Gonzaga has five freshman on their team. Get them into foul trouble early and never let up any of the defensive pressure. Gonzaga has played some outstanding teams this year and done well, but they haven't seen a defense like the Noles. The big question is whether or not the Noles will slow them down enough to make it a game. Chris Singleton needs to have an outstanding game.
Prediction: Florida State 68 Gonzaga 65
Game Time: 7:10pm EST
Opponent's Site: The Slipper Still Fits
Television: CBS
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
Go NOLES!!! Let's hope this isn't the last preview of the year.
Cheers,
TC
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WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A LATE GAME???
I have to work tonight, darnit. I don’t get off work until 10:45!!!!
I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.
I know, I'm going to be in church at 7
So I will probably miss most of it.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
So you glad to see Temple go down?
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NO!
I have friends who went to Temple, and obviously Lehigh went down to Kansas, which leaves stupid ’Nova as the only local team to root for, just like last year. :(
Also, I’m feeling good about tonight. Only 1 out of the 4 Jesuit schools has advanced to the 2nd round. Hopefully we can keep it that way.
2010 ~ The Year of the Spear
Last night I watched Texas simply give their game away to Wake, blowing an 8-point
lead in O.T., and the Horns do not have to look very far to see why they lost, seeing as how they missed at least 4 free throws (all under Double Bonus conditions) in the waning minutes of the game.
I laughed and laughed at the Horns players’ anguish afterwords, the anguish of a team who knows they screwed themselves. I blasphemed the authority of the basketball gods with my insolent attitude, because I KNOW that this fate will NOT befall our squad tonight. We will hit those free throws.
FSU 65 Gonzaga 56
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Well, Wake was up what, 12 in the 2nd half?
They led for like 80+% of the game. Well, not including the overtime where they pretty much trailed the whole time.
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Everybody's got a plan
till they get punched in the mouth. FSU straight destroy’s the Zag’s bigs and FSU’s big guards keep the Zag’s guards in check.
Great post
i need people to help me stay positive that we’re going to win
im not there yet…
Stilts, if we dont get the game in PCola, somethings wrong...
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've come to expect the worse
Didn’t know if I needed to prepare for it.
by BenDNole on Mar 19, 2010 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Youre obviously not from around here
Pcola bars suck, even the girls at Hooters blow, and not in a good way
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Gees...lotta you PCola guys here.
We need to start a TomahawkNation Pensacola Chapter and get together and watch the games next year.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth
Hopefully Jimbo and Stoops will be providing me with enough of an incentive to travel east… T-Nation Carpool? We need a better name though, something that invokes the spear or a tomahawk.
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It appears you have an internet connection and computer.
You could watch our game online if you don’t get it on your tv.
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Not sure how you took it, but I didn't mean to come across as a d*ck if I did.
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is that feed free?
I just got to my destination in tenn for the weekend and darn it’s gatech on CBS here.
Youll get the GT game probably...
Unless youre in Memphis
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 6:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and yes...all the games are free
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He could be using dial-up, Trick...
Not everyone has broadband internet, moneybags. You assumer, you.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought you called me an asshumper at first.
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by tricknole on Mar 19, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is that really such a bad thing to be called?
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
by RaysnNoles on Mar 19, 2010 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Obviously depends on the ass.
Shakira’s ass? Muy bueno.
Louie Anderson’s ass? And you’ve likely died and gone to hell.
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here comes the 12-5 upset
though a lot of people expected cornell to win (myself included)
I had Cornell winning the 1st round, same as FSU I also had Old Dominion winning and i got them going to the sweet 16 and I had Washington going to teh sweet 16 i got Butler going to the elite 8 (my surpriser) the only ones that has messed up my brackets so far was Florida, Georgetown, and San Diego St. and Vandy other than that I’m doing ok so far.
Cornell wins! Famous alumni include Keith Olbermann and Ann Coulter.
I hear they are dating. TMZ says so.
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GNO, you drinking already?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not drinking yet, but I do have plenty of Flying Dog left.
The Classic Pale Ale that I had for the first time last friday was very good.
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He actually went to the Ag School.
Not sure the in’s and out’s of that, but I think it’s not quite the same as going to Cornell “proper”.
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You’ve seen the episode where he and Dwight interview each other, right?
I think it’s safe to call him an alumni. He only says it 90 times in the episode.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think so?
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Oh dear.
Dwight walks in wearing a Cornell sweatshirt, and informs Andy that he’s applying to the school. Andy calls the school and arranges to do his interview, and in turn, Dwight arranges to evalutate Andy.
Obviously, hilarity ensues.
I would link you to it via Hulu, but they don’t show the old ones anymore.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
OH!
I didn’t see your comment above. I had no idea you were talking about The Office. Yes, I had seen that episode.
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I give us about a 20% chance of advancing. Then even if we do Syracuse will stomp the mud out of our non-shooting non-ball handling team. But I’ll watch anyway, as I always do…a glutton for punishment.
Regardless of the sport, if you’re gonna be a Nole fan you gotta be tough.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
Doesn't mean bad but does mean we likely won't be a decent team by a large margin.
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beat*
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Oh it's gonna be ugly,
No freaking doubt.
Millions of people will watch tonight. Their thoughts will go “Geez, if this team could score, they’d be pretty damn good”
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol. I don't think they'll think that at all.
More like, “Geez, these teams suck. Why are they in this tournament?”
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Nah...People will be impressed with our D. No doubt.
Especially when Chris Singleton flies like a meteor through the Buffalo night and pins a ball 2 foot above the rim on the glass.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Boy am I impressed.
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Clemson sucks.
Suck it, Ollie.
Anyone else getting amped for this game?
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I just watched Wisconsin beat Wofford 53-49, with the same Sloe Gin Fizz tempo they beat
us with last year. Wisconsin is so blandly, maddeningly consistent, I can’t take it.
Oh yeah, 4 turnovers for Wisconsin. Thats for the game. And that is not a misprint.
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I'm not a mathmetician
But isn’t that about 25% of we average on a good day?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm ready.
But I was rooting for Clemson. Gotta back the ACC in the tourney, dawg.
I woke up my roomate when Ish hit that shot last night.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Rats...just got called.
Trick, you know the drill. I need updates once the game starts. I’ll inform you upon my return. Send me an invoice for your services.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
That'll be $3,218.97.
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I'll have my secretary mail you a check.
Kidding aside, I appreciate it. I was able to get mean Gene on the radio dial, but watching the comments is far more fun…better info.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You're welcome.
I didn’t comment from like 5 pm until just now. I was watching the game but not online.
I’ll still be expecting my cash. I don’t accept checks. Money order or Western Union works, too.
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Here's to Hoping
1. Ham doesn’t come out tired and lazy like he did in the ACC tourny.
2. The team takes more shots.
3. Alabi gets the ball inside more often and makes his shots
4. Our 3 point shots are up to 45% or more.
5. Our guards can do the job, and Kitchen can get the ball inside, Snaer doesn’t charge while he shoots
6. the officials don’t decide the game.
well, you arent asking for much!
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Stuck in traffic. Lame. Plan on DVR. Will catch up with u guys.
Go Noles.
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by TrueCubbie on Mar 19, 2010 7:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
1 hour? you mean 5 minutes, I hope.
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maybe he didnt "Spring Forward" last week.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I ask for 1 win in this tourney. then its house money!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
We're trending 32 points.
They’re trending 80.
by TheNole9Yards on Mar 19, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
DOOMED!!!
What happened to good defense and running guys off the three point line?
No shot clock?
Come on CBS
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by RaysnNoles on Mar 19, 2010 7:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sacre is going to town on our team
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wtf is going on?
sacre isn’t half this beastly against 6 foot 7 guys in the wcc
That guy is psyching out the team..
Its a mental game at this point.
we should harass the entry more
but still this s ridiculous
at least we get the opportunity
to listen to gus johnson during this game
Our team never rises to the occasion
mentally weak
is our offense worse than when the acc sked started?
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Sacre is destroying us inside.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
by GoNolzOhio on Mar 19, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i cant help but chuckle everytime they say sacre
the office-Sabre
officials are determining the game
THAT WAS NOT A FOUL!
our putrid offense is determining this game
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im pretty sure the dribbling off our feet and passing out of bounds
has determined this game and many others this season
maybe we should pay brandon knight
the calipari offense
FSU has more turnovers than FGs right now.
blurb on yahoo
thats an all too common experience
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This team does not deserve our support
They are an embarrassment. The way they play, the way they are coached, the way we prepare.
Speak softly, and carry a big Spear
Do we believe the Gonzaga fan who said it could be over in 10 minutes now?
This is men against boys. Good for Gonzaga putting us in our place.
Let this be your lasting impression of this team whenever you start thinking about expectations for next year.
by 38Noles on Mar 19, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
observation from a zag basketball/nole football fan
this is some of the best all around basketball gonzaga has played all year to be fair.
you guys fit into our weaknesses
good three point shooting. our guards suck and cant get it to our bigs
true
cant decide the outcome this early. though i dont have confidence that hamilton will make the necessary adjustments during the game.
We’ll make a run. We cant let this game get out of control this early though or else we;ll tire ourselves out just trying to make it a game
We have our shot at any mid-major team that has gotten an upset in the tournament this year
Do we take Ohio’s coach? Murray State’s? St. Mary’s?
are you saying a first-round NCAA bow-out is enough to get Hamilton canned?
If only that were true
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How about the lack of a single NCAA Tournament win during his FSU tenure?
We’ve got 3 5* players in our starting lineup. Any half decent coach could make the Sweet 16 no problem with our talent.
I agree with you. I dont know if the administration does
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of those 5* players...
2 are sophomores and 1 is a freshmen. we don’t have a great point guard, and we have a terrible basketball fan base…
i think we’re lucky with what we’ve got, and we’re still improving without ever taking huge steps backwards. i know the offense was bad this year, but we had a season that was fairly similar to last year’s after losing one of the better players we’ve ever had.
if we were kentucky, i think we would be upset with where we are, but although we haven’t done as well as the best kennedy years, we’ve been getting better, and we started at the level steve robinson left us at.
How have we improved over, say, 4 years ago?
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made the ncaa....
finished in the top third of the ACC
and we’ve done that now for 2 years in a row
2007-2008 was a bad year because toney got hurt at the end and we fizzled, but without that terrible end to that season, we would have an even more linear and positively sloped trend line.
i’ll agree that we’re not improving rapidly, but i do believe that overall, we’re improving. maybe it’s ugly, but it’s winning…
don't worry
Every time we get a fast start we end up choking. Gonzaga is playing right into Ham’s game plan right now.
by Scalp'emLikeuMeanit on Mar 19, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
it was an interesting/scary matchup for us
we are terrible against long and athletic teams (ie. memphis the 3 yrs before this) but Few deserves the credit for an excellent first half game plan. i’m holding my tongue until i see how we come out in the 2nd half.
What Gonzaga had going for them all along is that FSU is simply not a big stage program.
We are a good defense, one of the nation’s best, but that can’t be counted on to show up in a big game.
by 38Noles on Mar 19, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i wish we could trade him for omar sanman from st mary's
thats who alabi should be
how can anyone think he is ready for the NBA?
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my brother tells me he saw an ESPN Insider item calling him a lottery pick!
And I am talking about this year
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that was months ago
most mock drafts dont get updated until april
please dont wish for omar
he’s worse than reddick/paulus combined
I was on the sideline for the FSU upset over #1 Duke
…during Reddick’s last year at Duke. While we beat them, he was a complete monster. All he needed was 6 inches of freedom and he’d make a beautiful 3.
I don’t get the 3 chucking at all. Is that honestly the best we can do?
Singleton is completely MIA. Just LMAO at these guys.
at least loucks and kitchen are being aggressive
taking those shots even without making them will cause them to close out harder, which can open up drives and dishes
the announcers said hamilton is looking for "that 3rd scorer"
my question: who are the 1st and 2nd?
I'll take the answer to that question as well
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Time for Ryan Reid to get back to his roots
and smack the hell out of somebody.
Starting a fight is as good a chance as we’ve got.
wow. I cant believe they called a block there
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refs must have thought they owed us one
the block/charge call is usually a makeup call imho
wow really!?
doesnt seem like it from watching
yea, we dont have many turnovers. what are we shooting? 25%?
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Zags hot from field. Seminoles? Not so much.
YAHOO blurb
It sure is nice when all our shots are being taken (and missed) by Reid and Kitchen
Because we obviously shouldn’t get the ball to our best players (Snaer, Singleton, Alabi)
better him than reid
I’d rather have Singleton shooting it than Reid.
by Gulfport Nole on Mar 19, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
guess where that ole axim
you can’t train size/height comes from =/
At least Gonzaga is playing well
It would be more frustrating to show up, lay an egg, and let them beat us with less than their A game.
They look good, and probably would be beating us no matter what.
by 38Noles on Mar 19, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we've laid more than a few eggs this year (st. marys, lmu, usf)
i cannot believe how well the zags are playing tonight
Hamilton probably took a page out of FSU Football's defense
And forgot to make a playbook for this game
would it kill Hamilton to sacrifice athleticism in recruits
for some basketball abilities/IQ?
by RollNole5 on Mar 19, 2010 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is classis FSU basketball. When a team is loaded with good shooters...we're doomed.
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6 of 28 v. 12 of 22
that is the shooting for each time
5 turnovers. If someone said thats what we would end up with for the first half, I would have
taken that happily.
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at this rate...
I’ll be surprised to see us break 45 points after 40 minutes……..who coaches our offensive scheme?
Announcers going into the half
Musburger: That’s the end of the half. The Bulldogs are dominating.
Fouts: Let’s hope the Seminoles can make some adjustments.
Musburger: Well, they better, ’cause they suck.
So who comes back during halftime to take control of the team and lead them to victory?
Toney Douglas? Al Thornton? Sam Cassell?
Hell, I’d even take Von Wafer!
I missed about half of the first half, but counted 3 drives
to the basket where we hit the bottom of the rimm or backboard. Horrible.
21% shooting? I knew this would be a struggle on offense...
but FSU may seriously be the most offensively inept team in the entire tournament.
by TheNole9Yards on Mar 19, 2010 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel bad that we got in and Virginia Tech stayed at home. Resumes be damned, does anyone fall apart in meaningful games like FSU?
i feel bad they slated this for prime time
Not only do we lose, America loses too.
I was getting the FSU game
But about 10 minutes in they caught on and switched it over to the MSU – NMSt game
by TheNole9Yards on Mar 19, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm watching online.
Go to sportline, there will be a link to watch.
In Tally we just got a commercial introducing Fisher as head football coach
Easily the highlight of the evening.
Can Bud write up a quick football update?
I need to switch back to football quickly.
TN never disappoints
BB team I should be used too.
WHAT'S GOING ON?!? FSU IS KILLING MY BRACKET!!!!
(j/k)
Seriously, though. Good luck in the second half. The thing is, if FSU can catch a wave, they might be able to rattle Gonzaga and flip the tournament pressure on them. A long shot, but it’s there.
Time to switch to the Midas Touch
I need a 9% Dogfish Head
(Remember when we had a Dogfish Head discussion during a basketball game earlier in the year? That was fun. Let’s do that again and turn the mood around.)
Loooove the Midas Touch. Probably my fav next to the pumpkin ale
Dogfish Head 120 is the greatest thing ever invented.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
thats funny. Myself and a coworker have the same Bells Two-Hearted vs. Dogfish 90
argument.
I am on the Dogfish side, though.
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I love bells
but isn’t its competitor the 60minute?
by Scalp'emLikeuMeanit on Mar 19, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well, the origin of our argument is that I said the 90 minute on tap is the best
beer I ever tasted, and he came back and said the Bells on tap is. But why do you say the 60 minute is the competitor to Bells?
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A cold DFH 90M out of a fresh keg is what God's urine would taste like.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Should be. I'm not really familiar with the bars over there.
Isn’t there like one bar that’s got a sheet ton of brews on tap? Dont’ remember the name, but seems like there’d be one in Tally.
Oh, and your local Mellow Mushroom might have it as well
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Proof
Probably proof… they have 28 beers on tap i think? I turn 21 in like 4 days so I’m not sure… But in a few days I will haha
Leon Pub has more on tap, I think.
And hundreds of types in bottles.
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Where is that located exactly? I’m more of a local type lots of beers on tap type of bar guy…. moreso than going to the pub or the clubs..
I think it's off of Thomasville.
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yes, I agree with that 110%. Every sip is better than the last. It is amazing.
The 120 is too much hops for me.
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Bells is too expensive.
For some reason down here in Pensacola, there’s only a handful of places that carry it, and it’s megabucks. Dogfish Head is more affordable (and better IMO)
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll never bad-mouth DFH, way too many awesome brews
But Bell’s is my No. 1 go-to brew (although there is no wrong answer). SoCar is supposed to get DFH soon, so it’ll be a battle for my soul.
yes! Dogfish head! Love that stuff.
However, I have about 10 left of a Flying Dog sampler 12-pack that I bought.
Got to finish those first.
By the way, Noles baseball team down 2-0 in the 4th inning. 1 hit for the good guys.
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Wow
We are consistently regressing. How is this even possible? Out of ALL the teams in the tournament, have any put up a worse fight (besides Georgetown)? In a tournament where seemingly every game is competitive until the last shot, we have managed to appear completely unprepared, overmatched, un-coached and etc. What a frikkin disgrace. I mean, I won’t say I am surprised, but you’d like to think that any individual on the team would show improvement at some point or another. I’m pretty sure Alabi has gotten worse. I can’t think of anyone who has really improved either.
Totally agreed. I think we’re all conditioned to expect something along these lines, but didn’t see it being quite this bad.
All those years of scratching and clawing for ACC road wins, and disappointment on Selection Sunday, and now you finally make the tournament so you can flush it away like this???
Brutal Stats:
FSU Gonzaga
Tempo 30.6 30.2
Off Eff 62.1 115.9
eFG% 23.2 56.5
TO % 16.3 19.9
O Reb % 25.0 28.6
D Reb % 71.4 75.0
FT Rate 32.1 56.5
% Safe 0.0 14.1
FG % 21.4 52.2
FT % 66.7 69.2
3P % 11.1 33.3
3FGA/FGA 32.1 26.1
Block % 6.5 9.9
Steal % 6.5 6.6
A/FGM 50.0 58.3
A/TO 0.6 1.2
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Thanks TC, I needed that to cheer me up
by EngineerNole on Mar 19, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
thnaks
I needed to wake up a little and you just saved me a swift kick in the balls
by Scalp'emLikeuMeanit on Mar 19, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
at least someone showed up to represent the university
cheerleaders are the tops of all teams this weekend
I'm late to the party, so this may have been discussed, but...
Can we burn the damn black uniforms?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
i heard him call it
he even licked his finger to test the wind
was that shot by alabi our first good-looking one of the evening?
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Pretty much
but i liked what i saw from Reid at the free throw line
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This is an example of why Dulkys is a defensive liability. He isn't putting up enough points to warrent big minutes
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I can but my internet kinda sucks. I was watching online at work.
cussing at your computer at work is slightly frowned upon.
under 10 by 10 minutes
under 7 by 5 minutes
under 3 by 2 minutes
those are the benchmarks we should shoot for
god, I hope this team got PISSED OFF AT THE HALF!!!
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When a team has been playing with an 18 point lead
10 can actually feel tight, gotta keep it up
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what's going on with him.
Last 2 games have been really bad
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI-just had my first sips of Flying Dog Porter.
Excellent brew.
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Oh hell yeah...
I just discovered that a couple of months ago (roommate exposed me to it). Freaking excellent brew!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
many, many porters are terrible. undrinkable. this is an A+
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+1. Ther'e a lotta bad ones out there.
But Bells/Flying Dog/Anchor all make very good and reasonably priced Porters
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
On that note
Picked up some Sam Summer Ale for the first time, not as exotic, but its a nice twist on your typical wheat beer
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
you cannot deny the Anchor Steam Porter. A classic in the field.
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Because calling a blowout 8/9 game sucks.
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gus johnson wants it to be a game
he likes getting into it and showing some enthusiasm
epic awesomeness potential
making a run down double digits in the ncaa tourny with gus announcing
I was real close to turning the tv off.
Not even kidding. That first half hurt me. Hurt me bad.
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I did but came back
I needed 15 minutes to breath and pack a bowl to calm down.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Mar 19, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That feeling similar to the one after the first half of the FSU/UNC game this past year?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That game is a void in my mind.
I assume we were blown out.
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The same feeling going into most of the 4th quarters last year?
Ya that one.
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by numberonenole on Mar 19, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh you meant football?
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you know, I noticed you hadnt posted, and I wasnt at all surprised, based on what we saw
that first half.
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I just wasn't online.
Be sure, I’ve watched every second. If the 2nd half was going to start like the 1st half played out I was going to turn it off, though. I have no desire to watch shit.
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what is with all the west eastern state nonsense. the ivan brothers...
anyone else turning off the sound when that comes on?
Did anyone else find that Southwest Airlines commercial extremely funny...
In a “God that’s awful…but pretty damn funny” kinda way?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
I like the Budweiser
“Why do you love me” commercial
That guy’s face is priceless
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Snaer just let him go by.
WTF?
Cmon Luke…dammit!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
also I think he is just too skinny to get the job done.
by Gulfport Nole on Mar 19, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there anyone who still feels that Solomon Alabi is NBA ready?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
Ya, Soloman Alabi and...
thats all i got
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by numberonenole on Mar 19, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he will get real offensive coaching in the NBA.
There is no reason for him to play so small in the post.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 19, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have the personality type.
He’s just not aggressive.
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thats what it seems like to me too.
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Has nothing to do with keeping the ball up high.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 19, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I agree with that.
But even then, how many “soft” centers are there in the NBA?
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damn my internet connection is blowing up here
feed keeps dropping
Will the basketball team be able to use the football team's new dieticians and psychologists?
Alabi needs to bulk up and they all need mental conditioning.
by basaltrock on Mar 19, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Why does it matter in season?
Off season they should definitely be eating healthy and while in Tallahassee they should as well, but on the road? I’ll let it slide.
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by tricknole on Mar 19, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they are.
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at least he made the correct post move
and went with authority.
I cant blame him for the miss
Say what you will about Luke Loucks...
But when we struggle bigtime to score, he’s come up big in some spots this year.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
I'm with you on that
Like when we had 7 points an hour ago, I was seriously wondering how will we score? What if this is the night, we just don’t score except for dunks and free throws, but some how someone like Loucks steps up.
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Singleton surprises himself by making that first free throw.
Dulkys with the board on the second. Nice.
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too bad snaer didnt get that layup to fall
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Ain'
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t our night.
I’m chalking up a loss. Things not going our way just like the NC State ACCT game. Not quite as bad as that game but close.
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Now we pose the question
Did we run into a “buzzsaw” 52% FG%, or did we do ourselves in again?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
A buzzsaw that absolutely waxed our a**es from the start.
That came out with a clear game plan and executed. That was the aggressor and actually put us on our heels. I think we ran into the FSU buzzsaw.
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stop being cute with it
go to the hole with authority
That, I blame, on coaching...
Mental preparation is huge. If you can’t get kids fired up for round 1 of the NCAA tourney, then you got probs.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe we warm up too early
lose the intensity in the layup line
I am not a psychic man, if I were, I would have called that Georgetown game.
I do wish your question was more of an affirmative as opposed to a ?
I will say this,
as awful as he is; I still wonder who we could get that could get the same caliber talent. We get guys we have no business getting.
That's the eternal question.
It’s a balancing act.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
After a few years of overachieving, you start getting the recruits you want.
Well, we’ve already got the recruits. Let’s start overachieving.
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My theory is that we just don’t know what it takes in Tournament play.
After several years we’ve adjusted to playing in the ACC, then to playing on the road in the ACC. This will take time as well.
Why?
Coach Hamilton has been a coach for a long time…He knows what needs to be done.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It sure as hell didn't take Purdue that long.
It didn’t take Baylor that long.
Purdue lost their best player for the year right before postseason play.
Baylor had a teammate murder another teammate and a coach help cover it up.
I’m not willing to give more time. I was expecting a loss. But this is shit.
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Dear god, only down 6...
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Every player on the Zags roster has a foul.
We need to keep the tempo up, and attack. Lengthen the game with FTs
gotta get to 7 or less with 5 minutes to go
we’re right where we need to be
They're really loose with the whistles when FSU is on D
Ticky tack bullshit
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Thank God, finally
It takes Singleton getting tackled under the rim for a foul to go our way
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions
down 7 points...
This is still possible, even though Im not expecting it. I wont get my heart ripped out this evening.
next benchmark
cut it less than 3 with about 2:30 left
HUGE
That could have been the game right there. 4 point swing.
He couldn't have known.
It was right at him.
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"Trick is right."
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And I thought... maybe this will be the 20ft jumper that Reid gets in!
And then sanity comes streaming back to me
These refs are calling NOTHING on Gonzaga
they’re holding jerseys, going over the back, etc. And if FSU even LOOKS at a Zags player wrong, a whistle.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
The past 5 minutes have been terribly one sided. I've rewound and slow motioned every foul.
They are really squeezing FSU. Some really ticky tack crap being called, while Gonzaga is far worse.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
basketball in general holds double rules for perimeter players and post players
our post guys are getting weak fould not called on them. We keep slapping their guards.
FEED DULKYS THE ROCK
He’s heating up!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
She's very nice looking.
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Its almost like
every time the ball is in his hands the other team is winning, actually that is exactly what it is like, nice effort though
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Big play by Snaer.
Steal and fouled.
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how many fouls on the zags this half is that?
clearly, though, the zags are nervous. thats where that foul came from. a guy desperate to get the balll back
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I can't believe
this even has a POSSIBILITY to be a one possession game
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
Build up to the big disappointment
So hard to be optimistic..
Trick, remember when we discussed what the rest of the sports world would be thinking when watching this game?
I think you may have been onto something.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
I know I was.
If you were, say, a UConn fan watching this game, you would be thinking we both suck and that you could beat us. Ugly games make people think that. High scoring games make people think you’re good.
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I <3
Hearing the Chant in the background
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Mar 19, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i was there
we were trying hard to be loud at the end, probably should have been louder earlier… i wish we had more fans for ncaa games like that. i went last year, too, and it was a small contingent of noles.
Awful shot.
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Gut check time for our defense...
You’re the best in the nation. Now go act like it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
cant help that
that was great D
make a guy shoot a 20 footer with 3 seconds left on the clock
Heart. Attack.
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heres our tournament
we’re right at that bench mark
we can cut it to a single possession game
Game over.
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Well, respectable comeback at least...
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Alabi tips the ball to the middle...No black Jerseys
He’s KILLING me, man.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not yet!!!!!!!!
god theres a lot of game left
I'm being real here.
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They're free throws!!!!
There’s nobody guarding him! Why is that too much to ask?
This is college basketball. You wanna win? You gotta nut up.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That Elias Harris is a freshman.
He’s doing alright.
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Right.
I expect him to make those shots. Division 1 college basketball starters should be able to make free throws. There’s no excuse.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
trick
quit saying game over ur killing me
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
my dad says that after every possession
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I've said it once? Twice?
Game’s over.
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Three times now?
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Sorry though.
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Damin it snaer
Lost us the game tonight. Cost us 6 points in a minute or two.
And he also helped us make up that 16 point half time deficit.
This was a team loss. I blame it on the coaches for having us get our a**es waxed in the 1st half.
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yep. blaming it on snaer crazy. the first half offense was a joke, and not much of a
surprise, unfortunately.
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Offense?
That’s about our normal offense, sadly enough. Where was our defense? Where was the energy on either end?
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well, the defense has been there all year, as you know.
I would not be opposed to getting rid of this man, though.
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Thanks, Len Elmore, for predicting our starting 5 next season.
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Why should Ham be fired?
He just benched Alabi and CS for Reid and Kitchen
by basaltrock on Mar 19, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Funny you say that.
Most on here have been pretty high on him the last month or two. He’s no game changer but he’s a good defender and a huge hustle guy.
One bad game and you all turn on him again.
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by tricknole on Mar 19, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only game this season that Reid stepped up for was the first GT game
Over the course of the year, he’s been a liability
Wow. I disagree.
And I KNOW he’s been discussed at length on here and I was of the impression that most thought of him as an integral part of the team.
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by tricknole on Mar 19, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Turned the game over.
What other games are on? Do I even care anymore?
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dont cry
Now the game is over with that turnover
Tears in my bowl of ice cream that I'm eating because I'm fat and that's what fat people do when they're depressed.
Right Chris_Nee?
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Apparently it is easier said then done.
It’s not like they need to score 100 points a night.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 19, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Annnnd Luke just sealed it.
Basically handed the ball back to Gonzaga. That’s just god awful
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
fucking pathetic
the subject line says it all.
by CrimiNOLElawyer on Mar 19, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
It's sad when the announcers call your play "pitiful".
And say “they’re buried and they know it”.
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Hey look
Snaer’s losing the game for us!!!
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
Oh well...a few more years of making the tournament,
then maybe 3 years from now, we will win one. 6 years after that, maybe we win two.
so a competent offense
can bring us 6 years ahead of schedule?
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
we just dont have "that guy"
last year was our year and we fucked it up. This year was the bridge to better days which are coming.
by B-rod24 on Mar 19, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What?
Says who?
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well, he might be right. we dont have THAT guy. THAT guy being the coach.
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I was talking about the "better days...are coming" part.
What?
Unless we have 5 lottery picks in the same calendar-year draft, I’m not sure we can make the 2nd round.
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No clue why I asked "What?"
I’m losing it.
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That's a funny and catchy goal.
Count me in.
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Fire Leonard Hamilton
He will never get us any further than where we currently are as a program… This was a pathetic showing in a game we were given every opportunity to win.
by AMFKNole on Mar 19, 2010 9:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
But where will the next guy take us? If it’s Steve Robinson Part 2 I’ll pass. We need to keep expectations realistic.
by 38Noles on Mar 19, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give him 2 more years with Miller...
He’ll be fine…
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think I want him
screwing with any more top talent
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause everyone wants to come to FSU to coach basketball
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamilton is making $1.5M/year.
That is good money.
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other teams can pay him that
and give him more in history of a program
what makes us more attractive than a rutgers or st johns or depaul
Presently?
With our current standing and our current talent level?
I could see someone maybe choosing St. John’s over us. That’s a top 10-15 program all-time. DePaul right now is garbage. I know A10/UD people and they’ve heard talk for years about DePaul offering Brian Gregory (Dayton’s head coach) the job. He’s from Illinois. But Gregory’s turned it down once, maybe even twice already. They just don’t have the resources. I don’t know jack about Rutgers, but I think you’d agree a coach would step into a situation 4-5 years ahead of where Rutgers is at.
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And if we can pay Hamilton $1.5M,
I hope we’d be willing to pay a coach $2M if we felt they were an upgrade.
I don’t think he’s going anywhere, though. I don’t see us magically getting better just by giving him a few more years, either.
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Who can't pay ANYONE?
It’s stupid basketball, even little schools can afford a good coach
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i think Bob Knight has said he’s willing to return to coaching college hoops….
by Gulfport Nole on Mar 19, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What coach wouldn't want to come to FSU with a lineup full of 4 and 5 star players?
Yes, Ham recruited well.
But we have plateau’ed as a program. Time for a change. No more complacency and accepting of mediocrity.
I’m frustrated with this too, but relative to FSU basketball’s all time history, is this mediocre?
First back to back tournament appearances in more than 15 years.
the only question is
who to replace him with?
by Gulfport Nole on Mar 19, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't take either.
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yea, how about at least selecting a coach with coaching experience.
we are in the ACC, after all.
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sam cassell is coaching as we speak
and was a player coach on an nba championship team
he’s got name recognition too
I think GoNolzOhio was referring to Charlie Ward.
by Gulfport Nole on Mar 19, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to Ward. However, I was unaware that Cassell is
coaching.
In any event, it seems ANY ACC team should be able to secure a coaching who has won at a previous NCAA school, and we are loaded with talent. Dont need anyone as new to coaching as Cassell and/or Ward.
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Chollie is coaching high school in Texas.
Let’s hire him.
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Ward can not be any worse then Coach Ham
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 19, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
there are coaches out there in Division I, men who have been a
HEAD coach at the Division I level AND WON that would kill to coach our talent.
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kirk speraw was just fired from ucf
i like him. always fielded a team who played up to cometition. almost beat Pitt and UConn when they made the tournament
tons of teams hire coaches that were winners
at a mid-major and don’t really pan out… there’s not guarantee that taking a hot coach will result in success.
So you'd rather be a perennial one and done team than try and get a new coach to make the occasional deep run?
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Not a head coach anywhere.
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Hamilton = Zook
Man can recruit, but coaches like shit. And assistants are obviously shit also.
Consider the bed to have been officialy shitted in
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by RaysnNoles on Mar 19, 2010 9:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No better explanation.
One and done, two years in a row.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't it be "shat in"?
I don’t think “shitted” is a word.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 19, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's just shit.
I think shat is just a made up word.
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Shit, shat, shart.
In your pants, missed your toilet and landed on your bathroom rug thing, or in your bed.
Does it really matter at this point? Feces have left your colon and ruined your night.
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last year, i think it was unexpected to be one and done
we were a 5 seed and had toney, but this year, with no real winner on our team, and expecting a down year, i think we did alright. gonzaga isn’t a bad team, and we got them on a good night. they have been inconsistent, but they’re a good team overall despite their ups and downs.
I expected a loss to Gonzaga.
I’m not upset about that. I’m upset that we AGAIN looked like shit.
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The only question left is
do I realize I just shit my bed and sleep on the floor or am I unaware and toss and turn and “schmear” it all over myself as I lay?
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ive got some jamison left over from wednesday
if anyone wants to come over
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by TrueCubbie on Mar 19, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It was over at halftime.
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The score was close for a few minutes in the 2nd half.
But in reality the game was over in the 1st.
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if you really want to get fatalistic about it, it was probably over the moment
FSU hired Hamilton and Gonzaga hired Few. The intervening few years were just irrelevant details.
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It was over when God made Adam
and stole his rib to make Eve.
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probably over earlier than that.
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gotta appreciate the heart of these guys
too bad the coach is lacking a brain
by Scalp'emLikeuMeanit on Mar 19, 2010 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
Offseason trip to Oz, anyone?
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Hamilton is and will come back
Gonzaga had a great start to the game and we still had a chance to win at the end. If Snaer makes those FT at the end of the game we have a great chance of winning. I believe everybody’s expectations are way too high. This team has made it to the NCAA tournament 2 YEARS IN A ROW. Look how many bigger upsets there were this tournament. I’m happy making it into the tournament bc once we are in we have a chance. It makes no sense to hire a GREAT defensive coach who can recruit top talent. For FSU our basketball team has been doing good.
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by nole4ever on Mar 19, 2010 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
well, that as much sunny optimism as I can take.
zero tournament wins is zero tournament wins. with the talent he has had go through the school, that is not acceptable.
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Would it be better to bring a coach who maximizes our talent and wins a game or two in the tournament. Then after our recruiting drops off we are stuck with a lack of talent but is coached to their full potential. Be realistic when you look at FSU as a basketball program. UF won back to back titles and didn’t make the tournament again until this year and they lost in the first round as well. Its impossible to live up to these high expectations especially at a school which doesn’t even sell out the regular season games.
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If we win a game or two every year in the tournament
recruiting will take care of itself
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
People don't seem to grasp that.
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Your set in your belief but I believe your expectations are WAY too high. Finishing in the top 4 of the ACC back to back years is pretty good no matter what school you are. Look at UNC a basketball school. I would say we are on the right path. I believe I read somewhere (probably TN) that the only player on FSU’s roster not to make it to the tournament is Ryan Reid. How is that not heading in the right direction. You make it sound like its our right to make it to the tournament every year and any coach can do that. Winning games in the ACC isn’t easy and we have been doing a good job at that.
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What are my expectations?
If you can come close I’ll be surprised.
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And I would gladly take UF or UNC's
2 national titles this year and have a rebounding year the year after and miss the NCAAT completely.
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I know that I am not suggesting, (and based on what I have read of Trick's
posts this year, I don’t think he is either) that Hamilton is a TERRIBLE coach. If the guy stunk, if we were 4-12 every year in the ACC, there would be no argument, he would be gone (I think!)
The problem is a difficult one: We have a coach that can recruit as well as just about anyone in the country, bringing in classes ranked as high as #1. UNFORTUNATELY, the evidence appears obvious that he cannot coach the talent that he brings in TO ITS POTENTIAL. And thats the key point, isn’t it? Not that no one at FSU cares, so a couple one-and-dones in the NCAAT every few years is good enough for the basketball program. That a coach being paid what he is being paid is not getting the most out of the talent he brings in. Forget the school for a moment and just look at Hamilton’s resume RELATIVE to the talent he has brought in. NOT compared to Sun Belt schools who don’t get that talent and don’t make the tourney.
The decision is a difficult one, it is easier to just avoid making it. I am sure Florida could have kept Ron Zook and made a few more Capital One Bowls, but they chose to make the tough call there. Look what happened.
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im just scared we take a drop in production and end up firing a guy too early
what if we stop making the tournament with this new guy?
What if our defense drops off?
What if Hamilton gets picked up by another team and takes some of our guys with him?
Clearly, thats what makes this a tough situation.
I mean, as bad as tonight sucks, its better than being Virginia Tech, its better than being Virginia or NC State, and its DEFINITELY better than the Steve Robinson years.
I mean, we had some top-quality entertainment the last couple years, even without an NCAA Tourney win. We got the satisfaction of making the tournament two years in a row. Most schools can’t say that.
There is a risk. but in the end, you got to be willing to take that risk. In my opinion.
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I wouldn’t say Coach Hamilton is a bad coach. Our defense is tops in the nation. Its the offense that is the problem. Why take a HUGE risk in bringing in a new coach, when we have no idea who we could even get. Why not try bring in new offensive assistant coaches until we can get something to click. If we were to just simply improve our free throws this team is in a completely different situation.
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I'd say the problem you are going to have there is that
Hamilton will be 62 at the start of next season, and 62-year old men probably do not want to “train” a new assistant coach, one that he did not bring in, is not on the same page, and would have to replace one of Hamilton’s guys.
At this point, it is an all-or-nothing situation. In my opinion.
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The only year in the past 4 that we weren't one of the better teams in the nation at free throw shooting.
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But, we still suck at
inbounding the ball,
breaking the press,
protecting the ball/turnovers,
boxing out/rebounding,
half court offense efficiency/execution.
Wow, we have a great defense. Defenses are DIRECTLY correlated to HEIGHT/LENGTH. Offense is NOT. We are good on defense not because of Hamilton’s defensive prowess/coaching, but because he recruits tall players.
We rarely win games in which we don’t out-athlete our opponent. That’s not good coaching.
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Who are you afraid would hire Hamilton?
He’ll be 62 next year and will only have 2 NCAAT appearances in over 10 years and 0 wins. He will be a career .500ish winning percentage. It took him 7 years to get FSU to an NCAAT. What other school would look at him and think, yeah, let’s hire this guy and by the time he’s pushing 70 we’ll get into the NCAAT?
And I think most players stick with their original team during coaching changes.
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If you pay him $2M/year he ain't going anywhere.
If he’s winning AND making $2M/year, he sure as hell ain’t going anywhere.
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average salary in the nba is $4mil per for coaches
so to say he wont go anywhere…
He tried the NBA-gig...didn't fly. Granted, trying to coach MJ is an entirely different story.
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by TrueCubbie on Mar 19, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was talking about college, obviously.
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I don’t believe we would pay a coach $2M a year for basketball. Especially when our football coach isn’t even getting payed that much. And I know football is bringing in more money then our basketball team. And even if we did started winning more and our attendance went up. Do you really trust good ol’ Randy to really be able to keep a top notch coach here before someone else offers a better salary? Or even be able to go out and find a good coach?
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by nole4ever on Mar 19, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Data?
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I think it's omitting a bunch of millionaire coaches.
Can’t find the link I saw a few months back, though.
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Right.
I think there are 20-30 at $1M+/year. If we can pay Hamilton top 25 money, I don’t understand everyone saying we wouldn’t be able to afford to hire a quality coach or keep them if a “basketball school” came knocking.
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Why wouldn't we pay a good coach $2M if we pay Hamilton $1.5M?
I don’t think Spetman sticks around much longer. I also don’t think he’s to blame for the football situation. That was Wetherell’s baby and I’m glad that bum of a president is gone. Spetman went out and found 2 quality coaches in 2 tries (softball and volleyball).
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Yea, I wouldn't want their 2 national titles, would you?
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Agreed on expectations being too high. I don’t know if people do it consciously, but those disappointed with the season should re-evaluate what it would have taken for them to be satisfied.
This is not going to be a program that wins NCAA Tournament games every year.
i agree
we arent a basketball school. we’re making progress. next year is going to be a deciding year
by B-rod24 on Mar 19, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you not realize why we are so disappointed?
It’s not that we lost. I PREDICTED a loss. I didn’t expect us to play so horribly that we were called PITIFUL by the announcers during our game on national television.
The process on the court is not good. I don’t know why people are happy with Jimbo’s process-first mentality but don’t care that our on-court process is ATROCIOUS in basketball.
Boggles my mind. Boggles it.
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You must only listen to what you want to listen to. Because the announcers also said that the % players that were on the court towards the end of the game should be the starting line up for Coach Hamilton next year bc it seems that they have discovered some rhythm and offense.
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I heard that.
And I don’t care what some announcer says that only saw us play 4 times this year. That may or may not be our starting 5. I think 2 of them are right (Singleton and Snaer), one is likely right (Alabi) and the other 2 are who knows (Loucks and Dulkys).
That’s just the group that played well tonight. We haven’t had any 5 play consistently well together all season.
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Next year's line up is going to be really interesting as there a lot of interesting combos:
Center: Alabi (I do think he is coming back), Kreft,
Power Forwards: Gibson, Shannon, James
Small Forwards: Singleton, White
Guards: Snaer, Miller, Kitchen, Dulkys, Loucks, Jordan
Those could be your 13 scholarships right there…Jordan is a plus minus, but they kept him this year.
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That's our 13, imo.
Alabi would be crazy to leave. Kreft may even be better than him next year. James will start at PF. Jordan will be here. Hopefully Miller’s pretty good (not Tyreke Evans good, but solid contributor good).
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by tricknole on Mar 19, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This kind of feels like the end of The Truman Show
…where he leaves the building and the security guys go “What else is on?”
Except I felt good for Truman. FSU- not so much.
Baseball is off to a decent start...
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
nope. down 3-0 to UNC. 2 hits through 7 innings.
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Depends on what you consider the appropriate outcome?
Two tournemanet appearances in a row, placing 4th and 3rd in the ACC….hadn’t made a tournament in 11 years before last year…
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What about in-game process?
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Fisher wants the in-game stuff to look good.
He knows if that looks good, the results will come.
Hamilton is getting results without the simplest of the processes.
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yep. 100% correct. Ron Zook, no doubt.
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I mean, damn.
We have some athletes on this team. We have some great talent. We shouldn’t need Coach K to get us to the 2nd round.
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I agree. I said earlier this year that I would not be opposed to giving Hamilton
one more year. I would also not be opposed to canning him Monday.
If I were in a position at FSU to help make a decision, and I saw the school’s stance was to continue letting him coach, I would spend my political capital on ensuring that all he gets is one more year, and not on trying to get him fired this year.
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Yup.
Or he can be like Oliver Purnell at Clemson who’s lost first round each of the last 3 NCAAT’s.
I really like the face-value things he’s done here. But just watch the games, folks. They rarely look good.
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Was meaning to say:
If that’s our expectation, to just make the NCAAT and not care if we win a game, great. We got our man. But that’s underachieving. We have the talent to win at least one game. If Hamilton didn’t have this talent and was getting us to the NCAAT – if we were overachieving – it’d change the dynamics completely.
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And last year we had the current starting PG of the New York Knicks on our team
with all of this talent as well and we still didn’t win a game.
Youth and inexperience are excuses. Bobby used them for years. One player away. One year away. Too young. The opponent had a helluva game. Yawn. Bore. Next…
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You are right for football that doesn’t work bc our football program has won championships in the past and is a program that draws kids just by name. FSU basketball doesn’t have the “status” that FSU football does. Everyone here wants to win in basketball just as much as you do but I don’t want to lose a coach who can put a consistent winner on the court for a coach who can come in and win 1 or 2 games in a tournament his first year. Then its all down hill form there.
Take Doak Back!!!
How does FSU firing their basketball coach who finished 3rd in the ACC look. Who in their right mind would step into that situation. Yes we have talent but not enough to lure some coach into some crazy demands like that.
Take Doak Back!!!
Did I say fire him?
I’m just tired of watching shit.
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Sorry, just got that impression. I believe we all are tired of watching no offense and missed free throws. I know its said every year but I believe we will be a force next year. And by force I mean finishing 3rd or so in the ACC and winning 2 games in the Tournament.
Take Doak Back!!!
i dont think we'll improve in acc play
the acc will be better next year too. OOC we should be better
ACC better how?
GT loses Peacock and Bell (top 5 minute-getters) and likely Lawal and Favors.
WF loses Smith, McFarland and Williams and likely Aminu.
Duke loses Scheyer and maybe Singler.
Clemson loses Booker.
Maryland loses Vasquez, Milbourne and Hayes (top 3 scorers).
VT may retain their top 3 scorers.
Duke should still be Duke (top 4 team).
UNC should be better (top 4 team).
We return everyone basically.
Next year’s early top 4 prediction.
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by tricknole on Mar 20, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you think we'll win more than 10 games in the acc next year?
I think thats a pretty bold statement.
I didn’t say we’d get worse, just stay the same.
No.
Maybe.
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If we can do that I'll give Hamilton a lifetime contract.
I am not confident at all we even make the NCAAT in 2011, let alone win a game.
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Also, please quit with the "3rd place in the ACC" crap
A) We needed a weird scenario to happen for us to achieve that. It worked out. But how did it benefit us other than we can say “hey, we were the 3rd place team”
2) A couple of shots against BC and Miami fall, and we drop 2 more games to mediocre opponents.
D) We still got balled by NC St in the ACCT. How many of you guys honestly think that we are the clear cut 3rd best team in the ACC. I don’t
Shit Brown) We could’ve very easily been Virginia Tech. Then there’d be a www.fireleonardhamilton.com
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 20, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
None of them win the NCAAT, though.
I agree that good teams do lose in the first round. But I wouldn’t say a lot. And I’m not sure how many are “great”.
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Clear cut 3rd best team?
Obviously not. There were 4 teams all bunched together and that’s just how the chips fell.
But we did tie for 3rd and finish 4th last year. We needed BC to choke down the stretch for us to sneak into a 4 seed last year, too.
I don’t think we were in any danger of being Virginia Tech. We actually played people ooc and beat a few of them. They played no one. We all know the selection committee cracks down on BCS schools if they do that (Virginia Tech knows this, too, because this isn’t the first time they weren’t given a bid), but give teams like Utah State a bye.
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Virginia Tech had our exact record in the ACC...
They may have not done much out of conference, but who are we to say that they couldn’t have beaten some of the teams FSU did OOC. They managed to do the same in the ACC….
If there was a huge disparity b/w us and them, I think the conference record would indicate it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
By "we could've easily been VT"
I took it to mean “we could’ve very easily been left out of the NCAAT like VT”. Is that not what you meant?
I thought I noted that there wasn’t much disparity between the ACC #3 and #6 teams. You could maybe even throw #7 GT in there, too.
By mentioning their ooc sos, I was explaining why they were left out and the rest of us were not. If they had a top 200 ooc sos and an overall top 80 sos, they would’ve been invited. That’s what separated them from the rest of the ACC “bunch”, not the actual quality of their team.
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Maybe it's just at the edge of the margin...
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Trick, Chris Nee could play point guard for the Knicks.
They’re awful.
But I get your point. Toney is a bad mother.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 20, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this post entirely.
And I am looking at this in a purely political sense. We both know the lack of importance placed on Seminoles basketball. My guess is there is probably ZERO impetus to get rid of Hamilton this year. Thats why, if I was someone in a position to help with the process, I would be positioning myself to get the Endgame started on the leadership of this program. Who knows how long that is going to take?
If I am the only voice who wants change, and “shoot my load” trying to get him fired this year and then lose that fight, who knows how much longer Hamilton might be there. I would be more concerned with setting the groundwork for making the change. Cause this crap cant go on like this
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yeah
I think this year in year end evaluations Hamilton could argue that we met/exceeded expectations by taking a team with a young core into the tournament and next year is the time when we make our move deep into the tourny.
we need to counter and say “ok well then if you dont meet those expectations next year then you’re done.”
by B-rod24 on Mar 19, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
top 5 acc finish
and some tournament wins. and a top 25 finish.
Averaging one win per year would be nice.
How many does Hamilton have, 2 or 3 in his 8 years? I’m also assuming we don’t finish top 4 every year and get to face the 10-12 seeds at some point in the 1st round of the ACCT.
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accolades on paper look good
basketball being played looks bad
i have no idea
im happy making the tournament. I understand we are young. Just wish we had an offense. Im up for one more year of evaluation.
I love our lineup next year
Some of you need to realize, college basketball is a little like pro baseball when it comes to the post-season. Such a small sample size, meanwhile we have finished top 4 in the ACC two years in a row. Conference play is a much more fair measuring stick.
by vanillathrilla83 on Mar 19, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer to look at on-court play.
We win ugly and we lose worse.
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I think nole4ever does.
Oh well.
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So then all hope is not lost for you.
;)
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"We win ugly and we lose worse."
That about sums it up for the season.
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Agreed
So close, but yet so far….
by NoleySmokes on Mar 20, 2010 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The process is not related to the outcome
The changes Jimbo is making to the football program may not yield huge outcomes this season on the scoreboard, but the process is much better. Everything is being done better on the inside.
Hamilton’s recruiting process is working fairly well. Is his game preparation though? Are practice drills what they should be? Motivation? Mental conditioning? Diet?
This.
I like the wins and all. But I hate looking like shit and feeling like we underachieve.
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I questioned that after Florida and came to a conclusion after Ohio State.
This game did nothing to change my position.
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Is Jim Smith concerned about basketball?
:)
by CSI Nole on Mar 19, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's time for everyone to focus towards baseball
Only to have the same feeling as tonight in early June
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
by RaysnNoles on Mar 19, 2010 9:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
after the better part of 20 years watching,
I’m positive that he’s absolutely right.
For some reason, positive feelings, hopes and wishes from the fanbase, never magically morph into better coaching.
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 20, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I am so friggen mad right now!
I feel bad for my gf sitting next to me
by TCHOP561 on Mar 19, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Plow her.
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Eye Muffs.
Old School modified reference.
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I am so just F'N mad. Already killed a 6'er.Need another drink.
I told my girl that (i need another drink) and she just looked at me like ughhh
by TCHOP561 on Mar 19, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Larry David did in Curb Your Enthusiasm.
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It's time for everyone to focus towards baseball
Only to have the same feeling as tonight in early June
It's a beautiful day in Tallahassee
by RaysnNoles on Mar 19, 2010 9:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Let's all try to keep this in mind when setting expectations for next season
It might help to set your goals, and then knock them down a couple of notches simply because we’re FSU and for whatever reason we’re never going to take advantage of most of our opportunities.
Only lose Reid.
Bring in Ian “MC Hammer can’t touch this” Miller, Okaro White (who likely won’t play much), Bernard “I’m a man and you’re not” James and Jon “yes, I put cocaine in my a** but I’m better than Alabi” Kreft, and you better do more than look like crap against another 1st round opponent.
PICK IT UP, HAMILTON!
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by tricknole on Mar 19, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
will that be
because FSU is bad or because you can’t make french toast? ;)
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, man I could go for some Canopy Roads french toast right now
But I’ve been riding the Miller bandwagon since articles like these came out:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=4781967
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/02/28/1278654/good-things-happen-when-miller.html
Maybe save a couple just in case.
I think expecting him to lead this team next year is a little too much.
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Definitely need a real point guard.
by NoleySmokes on Mar 20, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he's a Toney Douglas type point.
Which isn’t what I’d call a “real” point guard.
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Certainly a point that WANTS to score would be better than Derwin who seems afraid to score.
Not sure why he’s like that, either. He was a pretty solid 2 guard last year, imo.
But when Toney was a senior, our offense was still bad. We need SOMEONE who is a go-to guy, but we also don’t want someone to be half the offense.
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I'd rather just not watch anopther fsu game
by TCHOP561 on Mar 19, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At first, I was like "Hmm, this guy is kinda annoying"
And then I realized TCHOP561 is drunk. I completely approve.
I'm going to rec all of his posts
because he’s being honest
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
michael snaer is a turnover machine. cost me $600 against Miami a couple of weeks back and once again turned the ball over tonight and couldn’t hit clutch FTs. 2nd coming my ass.
Why RR is on the court at the end of the game is beyond my knowledge. 0 for 7 and he’s in there at the end?
by thirdcoastnole on Mar 19, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Ryan Reid I will not defend
But Snaer is a FRESHman. Without him we lose by 25 period
Toney didn’t do anything until he was a JUNIOR
And if your betting $600 on us on a game we should win, then that is a lesson you deserved to learn.
I, on the other hand, play on centsports because I’m a poor college kid. You should look at it too lol even if ur not in college
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Why blame the kids?
It’s like blaming Mangum last year. He ain’t making the 6 and 7 figs that the COACHES are making.
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I felt justified blaming Mangum
until I found out he wasn’t OUT of position, the lack of playbook shows he HAD NO position.
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL. Good that you can make joke on depressing night like this.
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I feel better when I look at my bracket
still have 3 that are in the top 8% on ESPN.
and I put up $20 against my roommate on Cornell +6 and my bracket beating his.
He’s in the bottom 12%, so I can’t really be devastated tonight
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you were just dumb
why would you ever bet on us to win knowing our history?
We need some perspective people
Those of you who think LH should go are nuts and don’t remember the days after CW and company graduated and the depths of the Steve Robinson debacle. Heck, we can go back to the late 80’s when Pat Kennedy first arrived. Building a contending team from nothing takes time.
This is a good team that is getting better. We have a good foundation and we are winning consistently. If we want to win some tourney games then we need at least 2-3 NBA draftable players in our starting 5. When we made the final 8 in 1993, we had 4 players who were eventually drafted by the NBA. We’re not there yet, but we are getting there.
I would love to see some correlations between the # players drafted by the NBA and # tourney wins. That would be interesting.
to get deep into the tournament
we need 3 good options. 1 or 2 first round guys, 1 second round guy.
to win one tournament game we need a good strategy, preparation, and some shots to fall the right way.
We definitely weren’t properly prepared for this game.
How deep is deep?
George Mason got pretty deep without any real talent.
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come on man, thats crazy.
“If we want to win some tourney games then we need at least 2-3 NBA draftable players in our starting 5…”
2-3 draftable players should get you to the Final Four. Plenty of teams win 2 NCAA Tourney games with ZERO draftable players.
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The Georgia Tech site already did that correlation study a few weeks ago.
It doesn’t take 4 NBA players to get to a sweet sixteen.
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lol but they have a competent coach
and an offense
and a dancer
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 19, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, from the "Adding Insult To Injury" Department, from the recap of the game at
ESPN.com…
“The Bulldogs went 21 of 42 from the field to end the Seminoles’ string at 67 games of holding opponents to under 50 percent.”
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Worthless state, imo, without the wins to back it up.
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well, I guess that's why its an "Insult:" now, we don't even have that relatively meaningless
streak anymore.
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I didn't dislike it.
Just like wins more.
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I don't wanna sound like a prick, but
I could give 2 shits about that dumb record. When you can’t score, it doesnt matter.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 20, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
So LH is still bad at coaching
I’m still proud of our team. Down by 18, they could have mailed it in but instead they fought back and lost standing up.
I gotta say that I was angrier after last year’s loss than this year.
2010 Rays Baseball: Shut up, Mr. Rosenthal. We're not giving up.
2009 FSU Football: Thanks for the memories, Bobby Bowden
by JMB on Mar 20, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You know, I was angrier last year too.
I am sure it has to do mostly with the fact that the game was out of reach from the get-go, with the additional element that this was a younger team with less expectations than last season.
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This year sucked more.
I was pissed we blew a 12 point halftime lead last year. But damn, we didn’t even TRY in the first half last night. Like, wtf was that?! Maybe the announcers called us pitiful last year, too, because they certainly said that on air last night.
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Last year hurt worse.
I think it was because they had played so well in the ACCT, then completely tanked out. That shit was painful
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 20, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll call it a draw.
They both were rough.
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When your bread and butter gets eaten by your opponent
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We also couldn't play physical
Early fouls hurt us bad. IMO
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 20, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Sacre ate our bread and butter.
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I prefer "Wait 'til football season". At least we have a chance there.
This team just continues to prove to me that we are and always will be a football school.
by seminoleballer on Mar 20, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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