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Who Should Return Kicks For Florida State?

I do not often write about special teams play, and while they are not as important as offense or defense, the special units are important nonetheless.  New Running Back Coach Eddie Gran is highly regarded for his special teams and he is Florida State's new special teams coordinator.  He replaces Jody Allen, who is now at West Georgia (not a joke).  I'll give Allen high marks for not messing up Graham Gano and Dustin Hopkins, passing marks for FSU's punt return team (though much of that praise must go to Greg Reid as we'll see in a moment), and failing marks for the coverage teams (both kick and punt coverage). Today I want to talk a little return game. 

Punt Return

I'll get this out of the way.  At its core, punt return is very simple.  Do not commit penalties.  The offense is getting the ball.  Don't rough the punter and do not hold.  Do not turn the ball over.  And after that, block in such a fashion as to allow the returner to gain speed before he must avoid his first potential tackler.  FSU was the best punt return team in the ACC and 2nd nationally (to LSU).  Greg Reid led the country in return average.  Here's the numbers. These are for conference play only (level playing field for all), and Reid handled every ACC punt return for FSU:

Team
Return Avg.
Florida State 19.7
Clemson 16.0
Georgia Tech 13.4
North Carolina 13.0
Virginia Tech 7.9
North Carolina State 7.2
Miami (Florida) 6.7
Wake Forest 6.4
Virginia 5.8
Maryland 5.4
Boston College 4.8
Duke 2.5

After watching the film, it seems like FSU's punt return team wasn't very good at all.  FSU routinely turned loose at least one (and sometimes both) gunner and it was up to Greg to make them miss.  Reid has incredible vision and the ability to go from a dead stop to top speed in a single step.  In watching his punt return film, look at how often he must immediately dodge one or two would-be tacklers.  In particular, I refer you to the highlight at 3:15.  Greg must dodge 4 defenders who have eluded FSU blockers, in a row!  That's not ideal.  Greg is the best punt returner in the country, but the rest of the return team could use some work.   It's probably safe to say that Reid succeeded in spite of the efforts of the return team.  I would suggest that FSU needs to stop feigning the block and just simply set up the return.  That would allow the blockers to be in better position against the gunners.  An occasional doubling of the gunner, particularly to the field side might also serve FSU well.  FSU's punt return results were already excellent, but they can still improve.  It's likely that teams simply punt out of bounds this year, and while I expect Greg's individual numbers to drop as a result of the diminished opportunities, the resulting excellent field position from poorly executed out-of-bounds punts will absolutely help the team.  Conclusion:  Greg Reid should continue to return punts for Florida State. 

 

 

Kick Return

Kick return, however, is different than punt return.  The kick returner must catch the ball.  That is absolutely critical because unlike a punt, a non-fielded kickoff is a live ball.  After that, getting upfield quickly and not dancing is the next most important (SOURCE:  Bill Belichek Orlando Nike Clinic Talk).  And of course, no penalties and no turnovers.  Here, FSU was bad:

Team Kickoff Return AVG
Maryland 23.9
Georgia Tech 22.7
Wake Forest 22.4
Duke 22.3
Clemson 21.8
North Carolina State 21.8
Virginia Tech 21.2
North Carolina 20.7
Boston College 20.5
Miami (Florida) 20.4
Florida State 20.3
Virginia 20.2

As always, these numbers reflect conference play.  Granted, there isn't a lot of differentiation between the best and worst team (only 3.7 yards per return), but over the course of a game (5-7 returns depending on how bad your defense is), that can add up.  And besides, with the athletes FSU has, it is just not acceptable for the kickoff return team to finish 2nd to last in the conference.  FSU and Miami should have far and away the best return teams in the conference due to the caliber of athlete those two schools field across the board. 

And while Greg Reid is the obvious choice as punt returner, he is far from a lock to return kicks.  Coach Gran prefers guys who do not dance a lot on kick return.  He, like Belichek, wants really fast, straight-line guys who make minimal cuts and follow the design of the return.  Greg is fast, but he is not track fast compared to guys like A.J. Alexander, Bert Reed, and the incoming LaMarcus Joyner.  People I speak with seem to think Alexander has a good chance to return kicks this year.  He's very fast and he does not dance much.  That's not to say that Reid won't return kickoffs, but he was only 8th in the conference last year.  Greg is very slight of build and considering that he will already be subjecting himself to hits on defense and in the punt return game, it might not be wise to risk him to injury returning kickoffs.  Kickoff hits are harder on average than punt hits because of the speed the coverage team builds as it has a greater distance to gain speed and doesn't have to waste any time blocking before it releases to go downfield.  Conclusion:  Unclear.  While Reid is an acceptable returner, FSU might be able to do better if a track guy steps up.  Even if Reid is the man, I expect his average to increase because...

As a final note, I expect both return teams to improve their averages because of linebackers.  Huh?  It's true.  FSU's lack of linebacker recruiting under a certain former coach hampered the special teams.  Special teams needs linebackers.  They are faster than defensive ends and bigger than wide receivers.  FSU had to try to substitute wide receivers, defensive linemen, and safeties in its special teams last year and that just doesn't work.  FSU brought in 5 linebackers this recruiting class and while Holmes Onwukaife will redshirt, I expect the other 4 to make an impact on special teams.

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As much as having the best players available to handle return blocking will be a giant step in the right direction, you really nailed the following:

A) Its as simple as do not get penalized

2) There should be no need to go for punt block

d) On kick return, run fast and do not dance

Michael Ray Garvin may have frustrated the fans alot in 06-07 bc we always thought he would break one ala Vanover (and he did against UF), but he was consistent those three years and by ’08 he put a young offense in great field position many times, ensuring CP7 only needed 30 yards to get into Onion territory.

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 22, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn, Bud!

You are incredible at this stuff! I check multiple times a day for some new edition by not only you, but the rest of the contributors on this site. You guys do such a good job.

I get a little pissed when there is a lull in activity! How dare any of you have a life of your own! The IT guys at my work must either be FSU fans or have just decided I could be doing worse things!

by HROB3 on Mar 22, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder how fsu would look in field position stats.

It seems to me (from my limted memory) that teams were kicking away from Reid, ie a short or saiib kick that caused less return yards but still good field position.
Who knowswhat might happen next year but I just don’t think anyone comes close to Reid when it comes to vision in running the ball, and that will be what keeps him his kick returner job

by stilts on Mar 22, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Gran recently noted that

we gave other teams great field position too often, which special teams does have some control over, e.g., punting, punt coverage, etc. Don’t know if our O’s field position was good or bad.

Nothing can stop us....

by TLHWG on Mar 22, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

return teams...

are an offenses best friend.

Jimbo seems to believe in the 3 phases of the game. Some coaches discredit special teams overall significance on a season but the great coaches understand that the specials are make or break moments of all great teams season i.e Bama blocked kicked against UT, UF blocked kicked against USCe. You must treat special teams like you treat offense\defense.

We have an elite kicker, an elite punt returner (should be elite kick returner when Joyner gets here) and an elite offense. There’s no reason why we should not score points every time we touch the football.

by oline0175 on Mar 22, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

And it should improve each game

once Gran gets a hold off the incoming freshmen.

Wow, AJ & Joyner speed should fun to watch. Looking forward to see our 1st teamers not wearing themselves out on special teams at the end of games.

Can’t remember when I last expected us to average this many points per game.

by rabidnole21 on Mar 22, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

With even a slightly improved defense next year...

we should hopefully see a lot more punts tho correct? it felt like every drive by an opponent led to some kind of points last year…

thinking back on last year, not only did he have a sweet return average, but so many of those were “clutch” returns that helped change the outcome of games. that return in the maryland game??? wow. i agree that we should expect a lot of teams to kick away or just simply out of bounds in fear…

by Renegade11 on Mar 22, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinkin the same thing

with an improved defense, we should be looking at alot more punt opportunties, more chances for greg to just improve that average.

"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley

by jfree on Mar 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rico

That is grown-ass-man impressive. Please join with me and all hit REC

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by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 22, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 2009 median PuntsPG is almost 5

If we could just field an “average” defense next year, we’d have 1-2 additional possessions.

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know

What the average total of forced punts PLUS turnovers was? And what ours was? In other words, were we even further behind in defensive stops that the measly punts average makes it appear?

by Invictus13 on Mar 22, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is yardage given up by 'average' defense?

Is the difference over 2009 FSU like 40-50 yards, or 125-150? Either way, 1-2 posessions per game must be equivalent to an additional 3pts per game (don’t know where to look for this data) for a top 30 offense.

BINGO

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 22, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compound the increased chances of offensive points

with the fact that a forced punt means that the opposing offense did not score (shocking), and you’re talking about turning the corner as a program.

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sincerely hope we do

But I’m scared to expect a giant leap forward. That way lies (potential) disappointment, and I’d rather be pleasantly surprised!

by Invictus13 on Mar 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope is warranted

Talent (especially in comparison to conference foes) is not lacking at all. And now, neither is coaching infrastructure and schema.

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

how sour that hopeful statement is.

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by FSUvaFan on Mar 22, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defensive improvement
We have a real shot to have the largest defensive turnaround since advanced statistics began keeping track.

NC State went from 89th in 2003 to 1st in 2004 in total defense when Reggie Herring took over. That tells us what is in the realm of physical possibility.

by TuckNole on Mar 23, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't use total defense

because it doesn’t account for:

field position
opponent quality

  1. of plays

The improvement from 89th to 1st in total defense is incredible. I would not expect a jump of 88 spots. I think the biggest jump was 68, which puts us from 92 to 24th. That would be insane and I think we would re-name Monroe Street to Mark Stoops Way.

But I am not saying that 2004 NCST defense wasn’t one of the best in recent memory.

Also, welcome. I like your posts on some other sites.

by Bud Elliott on Mar 24, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Understand

about the use of total defense, I just remembered that statistic at the time when a lot of people wanted to bring in Reggie Herring to replace Mickey, especially since he is a Nole.

Also, I post on other Nole sites under a different name, so you may not be thinking about me. But I appreciate the welcome none the less. I’m pretty excited about finding this site after dealing WC’s fluffy articles for 10 years.

by TuckNole on Mar 24, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe there will be a fast turnaround with the talent

but I also know just going by averages is not always telling. In games last year where the defense actually got some stops, those seemed to be the few times the offense did fail to do anything. Unfortunately the extra points from the BYU game, etc could not be pulled for use in the Clemson, Boston College or USF games.

by nolestuff on Mar 22, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Came back to tie

Then got the ball back on their muffed kickoff return, in scoring position to take the lead, then did not score.

While the defense was bad, the offense came on too little too late in such games.

The offense is on the right track, but people are going by the averages, etc and making it sound like the offense is there!. It still has room for improvement. Like Fisher himself said, they have to do it consistently.

by nolestuff on Mar 22, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The offense is there

You need to consider the opponent. BC had one home game in which a team put up over 5.5 yards per play. FSU (5.8) The rest it was 4.8 or less. Top 5 defense in the country.

The offense absolutely did it consistently and I don’t think anyone is relying on averages there. You’ll have some games better than others.

by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did we actually have less possessions?

It seems to me that giving up 2 play, 35 second scoring drives of 80+ yards would keep giving us the ball back on offense. The key difference is that they scored rather than punted.

by WBisaNOLE on Mar 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

68.4 Plays per game (72nd)

So, below average. But you are right that it didn’t kill our total possessions too much. Otherwise, with the 5th least forced punts per game you’d expect us to be well near the bottom of plays per game, also.

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that was what I really wondered,

with all the quick scores against us, did it counter the sustained drives we allowed? competing flaws in the defense led to statistical chaos :)

by WBisaNOLE on Mar 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the signal is still there

68.4 FSU Offensive snaps per game (72nd)
3.3 Punts forced per game (5th worst – almost 2 full possessions less per game)

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great great write up.

im so excited to see our special teams this year, i’ve been waiting to see a.j’s speed so i hope he gets involved. Lamarcus, Bert, and Greg are legit options, but also what about Chris Thompson? he looked very compact in the recent practice pictures…

"theres two types of people in this world, those who CARRY a spear and those who FEAR the spear"-James Coley

by jfree on Mar 22, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Could anyone elaborate on why there is no need to go for a punt block?

Other than the fact that there is a risk of a penalty and not enough bodies going downfield to setup a return?

by BostonNole on Mar 22, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I think there are situations where you try to block the punt

but I feel like we tried to block the punt every time which let the defenders run free down the field. If we don’t go for the block and hold our position and blocks that gives Greg a lot more time before defenders get to him, which in turn gives him a better chance to get going and create something big. This is just the way I see it, others could see it differently.

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by ItaliaNole on Mar 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I might disagree with Bud here

and agree with Bud Foster. In the past, we’ve been able to get to the punter. It’s a risk/gamble thing, so I understand the desire to be conservative, especially considering the prowess of our offense these days.

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Va Tech's offense sux

Their special teams is indeed great, and so is their defense. So for VT, its either:

Risk keeping your stud defense on the field in case you’re penalized OR give your anemic offense a shorter field to work with.

FSU has the exact opposite of those circumstances, so your outcome should predict the us doing the opposite

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 22, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because of our defense, the risk was not worth the reward.

Last year, any stop was golden and would could not risk giving the ball back. With an improved defense, I think we will probably be more aggressive going after punts. A blocked punt is completely demoralizing.

by nolesontop on Mar 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

the stats show that good field position are highly correlated with points. This may seem like common sense—IMO it is—but many teams are coached in a way that ignores it. In a recent interview, Gran cited some stat about field position and scoring so you can bet we’ll be coached accordingly this year.

Nothing can stop us....

by TLHWG on Mar 22, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I hear you guys

Potentially taking the ball out of the offsense’s hands is definately a big risk, especially with this potent of an offense. But I think Nolesontop is right that if the D gets better (as they should) we will go after punts every so often, which I have no problem with. Since a blocked punt is such a huge momentum shifter and sometimes an instant score, I feel its too valuable to completely throw out the window. But I do agree – I dont want to see them going for it as often as they previously have.

Thank you all for elaborating.

by BostonNole on Mar 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting coverage on a punt

and having G5 return it for a TD is also a huge momentum shift, and involves less risk as far as a penalty that will put our defense back out there. And even if he doesn’t break it for a TD we will stilll likely have better field position than if we went for the block.

by RollNole5 on Mar 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point Rolle,

It’s what I was thinking as I was reading Boston’s post.

I’d much rather give GR5 a shot at taking it to the house than risking one of our punt block guys making a bonehead move like diving into the punter’s femur (or maybe even avoiding it, but if Ron Cherry’s back there he’ll throw the flag anyways)

by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 22, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

I just had to youtube for old time’s sake. So good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8aAC4jrPM

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, not great. He's an idiot.

It may be funny, but he’s on my top 5 people to kick in the nuts if I could.

by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 22, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's also a ripoff

Ben Dreith made that exact “giving him the business” call in an NFL game in 1986. It was even featured on a Sports Illustrated TV commercial Wish I could find video of it Maybe someone else can.

But the fact is that not only does Cherry suck as a ref, he’s a plagarizer to boot.

by fsuclipper on Mar 22, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're welcome

Do you think someone here can find and post it? It was actually much more humorous than Cherry. Cherry seemed almost to be searching for words, whereas with Dreith, he just appeared to be mildly annoyed.

by fsuclipper on Mar 22, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Bud

I would love it if you could display it as a Fanpost or something just so everyone can see what a fraud Ron Cherry is. I know he’s not well liked here, but many here are much younger than I and probably haven’t despised his bias against FSU for as long.

When I first saw the clip of Cherry and the “business” the first thing I thought was that this guy is a thief and why isn’t he being called out on his blatant attempt to create noteriety for himself.

Goes to credibility and character.

This needs exposure. Thanks again.

by fsuclipper on Mar 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

I never knew that about Cherry. That was his only redeeming quality…and by that I mean I love that he made that call so I can yell it back to him at any game I am attending or watching. What a jack-hole

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 23, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dear God that made my day.

The NFL official’s call was far better than Cherry’s. He was all animated, and was slinging that arm up and down. Hilarious.

by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 23, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touche

Remember in the Orange Bowl a few years back against Penn State when Willie Reid took the punt return back for a long TD? That was the only thing that kept us in the game. I think G5 is a bigtime game changer, in that same regard, probably better. But now at least we can score on offense haha, by the bunches too.

Ok, so you guys have turned me.

But! – What about if our opponent is inside their own 10? Do you guys want to get after it or what?

by BostonNole on Mar 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the situation is right

Rain, in Doak, backup punter, other team has #1 defense. Otherwise, take the YAC on the return and punish their defense. Don’t forget, this allows us to possess the ball for a longer period of time as well…thus further keeping the ball away from the other team’s offense.

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're not good at it anymore.

Also, it used to be that we could take the risk and not worry about the D if we made a penalty.

by FSUjab on Mar 22, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Greg Reid is so dominate returning kicks it makes no sense to risk a penalty by blocking it.

Or slightly marginalize Reids chances of having an even greater return (although his highlights, and what Bud said, points out that he probably could do it all himself if we just had dummies lined up to make the opponent run around).

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by FSUvaFan on Mar 22, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

no pun intended.

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by FSUvaFan on Mar 22, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Problem is with that strategy

If people start kicking away and kicking out of bounds. Then we were looking to set of a return and get nothing but hopefully a shank. Instead if we have the threat of a block then the punter will rush the punt and either shank it or line drive to GR5.

"You play to WIN the GAME"

by fsugrizz on Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they start doing that then yes, trying to block it might be better, but you are still risking

the better field position. Bud has really detailed the logic all out., I can’t add anything to it. I see where you are coming from.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely understand

And I am all for setting up the return. I was thinking that in the long term if we truly set up the return game and its efficient then greg reid can probably average 25+ a return and in the end, they will probably do better by punting out of bounds then too him. I was just looking at the realistic probability that when we play against teams with great punters ala matt bosher and or a graham gano that it may be a better option to every once in a while go after a punt just to switch up his timing.

"You play to WIN the GAME"

by fsugrizz on Mar 22, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, in the off chance that there is a punter who can consitently punt the ball as far and out of bounds to avoid Greg, then we should consider going for the block.

It was more than just about getting Greg 25+ though, its about taking the higher probability of better field position because a punter likely won’t be able to punt it as many yards while trying to get it to go out of bounds or “pooch” kicking. While we could block it an end up getting awesome field position (or a TD), the probability of us blocking it is not as great, and the risk of getting a penalty is also good, resulting in worse starting position, on average, compared to forcing them to try and kick it away from Greg by focusing on setting up his run.

Forgive me if this is repetative to you and you already conceptualize it this way, but I wasn’t sure. Its like we can force them into a position where they have to do something with statisically lower production (punt yards while kicking out of bounds) because our man is just that good.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Mar 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

kicks out of bounds = win

For the most part kicks out of bound give good field position, especially in college. College kickers don’t put it in the coffin corner very often.

by osceolafan850 on Mar 22, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless his name rhymes with Mano.

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by FrankDNole on Mar 24, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a nasty gunner.

Like Leon Washington was for us as a freshman. I wanna see Joyner in that gunner position on punts.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Mar 22, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

A good gunner

Is a guy with some speed, who plays under control and tackles well. He also needs to get off of blocks.

Josh Cribbs is among the elite NFL gunners- he’s a great special teams player, not just because he’s an amazing return man, but also because he covers punts and kicks so well.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Mar 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

"plays under control" - exactly.

I think you definitely need want someone who can lay the wood (like Joyner). Gotta have that intimidation factor on punts.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Mar 22, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right, he did. Ruby Rod still not getting the recognition he deserves...

Pat Watkins used to do an awesome job for us there too.

I can’t wait till we get the depth needed to get younger guys PT on special teams like we used to.

by Tubby Sweetbundle on Mar 22, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really don't have a clue right now

I think Chad Abrams is a good option. Besides him, unsure. Potentially one of the wideouts if he shows he can do what Owens did.

by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coach up Fortson for that slot.

Fortson is fast, physical and obviously loves to use that hammer we call his shoulder on people.

by CPNole on Mar 22, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it

I just don’t know if Fortson would buy into it. You gotta sacrifice the body to play that position iMO

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tackling a nifty return man with a shoulder probably isn't worth putting him back there.

I don’t see Fortson doing it well at all. I do think AJ’s combination of versatility and skill set could make him a pretty good gunner. Joyner also has the perfect makeup for one, when he gets here.

If all else fails, We put Gehres out there…this will confuse the opponent, and allow the coaching staff to attack from the other side.

by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Joyner in this capability a lot

long arms to get the guys off of him, and he likes to hit and is insanely fast

by RollNole5 on Mar 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh...

that was more or less a nod to his laying the wood in that Wake game. Where he just dropped his shoulder and ran through the DB that picked off the ball. Knocked that dude stupid. Best hit of the season.

by CPNole on Mar 22, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the word on Easterling?

Is he gonna play football or no? I think he could be a very good kick return guy. He has sure hands and good top end speed.

by FSUPhi1584 on Mar 22, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Easterling

Wasn’t back there for his speed or return ability IMO, but more for his blocking

by Quentin C on Mar 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did anyone notice

Rivals calls Stan Drayton the best new running back coaching hire in the land. This is a real head scratcher.

Gran has only coached Cadilac Williams, McAllister and Ronnie Brown etc. I can’t think of any Drayton has coached. His last claim to fame was wanting whip Meyer before he left and who knows how instrumental he was in Phil Fulmer being fired at Tennessee.

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Mar 22, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm (scratching head)...

I actually looked and came up with the following: Brian Westbrook, Jerrious Norwood, Fason and the UF rushing machine.

I get why he’s ‘hot’ and he could be given the “he’s done more with less” but too I think the resume of Gran is stronger.

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 22, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Hasn’t he coached the leading rusher in the SEC 5 out of the last 10 years or something? At three different schools? Gran’s track record should speak for itself.

Combine that with what he is replacing here, and I also must scratch my head at any other hire being called better. We should definitely have the biggest swing in the nation at the RB coach position.

by Invictus13 on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

Our RB coach was (privately) fired mid-season and replaced with one of the best coaches at that position. Definitely a better swing.

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The swing in the RB position...

should be HUGE. We obviously have tons of talent in the RB slot. With Gran coaching them up, I expect to see a great RB corp become an Elite group.

I say that because we all seen what happened when Dexter Carter got binned. Trickett started coaching RBs and our performance nearly tripled in the run game. Now, considering Trickett isnt even the RB coach (though he has great knowledge of the RB system), imagine what its going to be like with Gran coaching the RBs. With all our O-line returning, FSU should have the most prolific offense in the nation in 2010.

by CPNole on Mar 22, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fully expect Jermaine Thomas to blow everyone away.

Take what he did at the back half of last year, bulk him up, add a bulked up OL, and the coaching of Gran. YuuP

by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

JT and the RBs will never see an 8 man front. They’ll be running against a 7 man front with the 7th man confused because we are multiple and he won’t know what’s coming.

by FloridaStateJay on Mar 22, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I agree

I think teams will drop the SS down, and run a cover 3, telling us that we’ll have to beat them with 15 play drives with underneath routes.

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure you want to do that with Ponder picking you apart

really a no-win and reason #1834929 why our offense will be so good

by RollNole5 on Mar 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But thats the joy of this offense.

CP can dink and dunk all day long, or he can run it, or he can throw it deep.

And the run game should be able to pick up chunks at will… or at least not give yards back to the defense…. so won’t be in many 2nd/3rd and longs.

We got a little bit of everything. I’m practically giddy just thinking about it.

by BostonNole on Mar 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

we killed teams with short slants and hitches if they gave them to us. its really a pick your poison

by RollNole5 on Mar 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

"pick your poison"

theres no better way to describe it

by BostonNole on Mar 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over a larger sample size, the opportunities for errors (punts, interceptions, fumbles) will approach 1 occurence

So teams would like to see us try for 15 play drives, thereby increasing their opportunities for an error on our part.

Having said that, we executed exceptionally well for a CFB team. Looked almost NFL-ish in terms of execution, pre-snap reads, and much of the playcalling. Me happy.

by ricobert1 on Mar 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah yeah

My sundial says high noon, Beavis!

by NoleySmokes on Mar 22, 2010 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not enouogh time to read all post so i hope this isnt above.

What i see alot of “good” teams do is try and isolate the returner and blockers to one side of the field. Then the returner follows the blockers until the kicking team commits to that side and then breaks to the opposite side and looksfor gaps. Am i dreaming or should this be whta we do since we have a kid ,#5, that has a fast set of wheels???

Thank God for the men and women who stand tall in the night to protect this great country we love so much

by hntdeerliv4noles on Mar 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Green might be another good idea back there.

 Johnson might do well but is much smaller than Green.

GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!

by NOLEFAN1 on Mar 23, 2010 4:39 AM EDT reply actions  

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