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FSU to use Bump and Run DB technique in man coverages

Zone zone zone. Zone is the word right now. It's the hottest defensive topic since CJF confirmed (unknowingly?) Bud's hypothesis (part 1 ; part 2) that a lack of size in our defensive front 7 was killing our ability to control the point of attack, tackle, sack the QB, TFL, well...everything. Here is what our underneath coverage players are saying about the new system:

"By us just playing zone now, you can drop back and then pass them off to the next defender. It makes it much easier and takes a lot of pressure off our backs." - LB Kendall Smith

"Coach Stoops told us it's designed to make big hits; in a zone scheme you're freed up more. Instead of having to worry about your man all the time, you get to make more plays." - LB Nigel Bradham

Source: Corey Clark - Zone defense has FSU football smiling

Now, let's look back at an Bud's article on weight changes, especially in the secondary:

Dionte Allen is up 11 lbs from 172 to 183.  He's always been hampered by injuries and this gain is encouraging.

Gerald Demps is up 16 lbs! from 190 to 206.  Extremely impressive for the redshirt freshman.

JaJuan Harley is up 20 lbs from 190 to 210 lbs.

Ochuko Jenije is up 7 lbs from 187 to 195.

Nick Moody is officially down 2 lbs from 228 to 226 but I'm told he was heavier than 228 last year.

Terrance Parks is up 18 lbs from 196 to 212.  Wow.

Xavier Rhodes is up 14 lbs from 195 to 209!  Damn.

Greg Reid is the same size (175 lbs)

That's an average of about 10.5 lbs. gain for the secondary; 12 lbs. if you remove Greg Reid; and 14.3 if you subtract Nick "The Tank" Moody. Our CBs (Xavier Rhodes, Greg Reid, Dionte Allen, Ochuko Jenije) averaged an 8 lbs. gain. That's a substantial mass gain, as Bud pointed out.

But is there a harbinger of DB technique to employed based on the mass increase for these players?

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For an answer to this question, let's look first to an Oklahoma's 2002 defensive playbook. Under OU HC Bob Stoops, the 2002 Oklahoma Sooners went 12-2, their season culminating in a Rose Bowl win over Washington St., 34-14. The 2002 OU defense, DC'd by brother Mike, ranked (non-adjusted stats) 9th in Pass Efficiency Defense, 6th in Scoring Defense, and 10th in Total Defense nationally. (Imagine these numbers if Roy Williams hadn't declared early the prior offseason!) Brother Mike after the 2003 season would get his own BCS HC opportunity at Arizona, tapping brother Mark (current FSU DC) as his DC.

So what? Well, we look to Oklahoma's 2002 playbook. Specifically, page 18 of the PDF. Brother Bob outlines his defensive philosophies, with one of particular interest:

Force the offense to throw the ball, when they do we want to put pressure on the QB. We do this with a variety of base blitzes and by using bump and run techniques in all our man coverages. The QB should feel heat all day.

I read "in all our man coverages" as "whenever there's a man in front of you," as opposed to taking it to mean only man-to-man coverages. Here's some snippets from SB Nation brethren Shakin' the Southland [Clemson]'s article on Defensive Coverage Techniques:

Using a jam in man coverage is commonly referred to as bump and run coverage. This coverage is typically used with a larger and more physical defender. At the snap of the ball, the defender will jam (or bump) the receiver. This throws off the initial timing of the receiver and moves him off of his route. After the bump, the defender will not be allowed to touch the offensive player. Thus, the defensive player must be prepared to immediately turn and run with the receiver. This makes the defender’s fundamentals coupled with a good bump critical for this strategy to work. We will expand on bump & run in further articles.

 

Simply put, the need for bigger CBs is imperative to hope to jam any of the better big receivers in the ACC - Miami's Leonard Hankerson (6'3" 215 lbs), UNC's Greg Little (6'3" 220 lbs.), or NC State's Owen Spencer (6'4" 220 lbs). Even in Cover 3 (where CBs assume the outer thirds of the 3 Deep coverage) bump and run may be employed; in fact, you can argue you give your CB some leverage by letting him try to successfully jam the receiver. If he succeeds, he has potentially disintegrated an important timing/spacing route as well as given himself that much more space to play on his heels. If he misses, his first goal is to get deep at full speed immediately without having to worry about any type of lateral underneath movement by the WR; his responsibility is the deep third, and that is all. He has help Deep middle, and from the curl-flat defender.

A few Arizona fans told us to expect no bump and run techniques in man coverages under Mark Stoops, but couple the pedigree of Mark Stoops and the OU playbook philosophy with the recent secondary weight changes, and it's quite suggestive of the implementation of press coverage.

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Some past NFL players

said Deon Sanders was very good with that jab technique. I never thought of him as really big. I think all of the DBs FSU have are strong enough that if they push a guy correctly it will affect him. How and when they do it are what is important.

That and as you said, not contacting the receivers after that, because we know after 5 yards if you breath on the receiver now its a penalty.

by nolestuff on Mar 26, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Man coverage

Many coaches like to use man to cover up a blitz. When blitzing, dropping a zone coverage behind the blitz can be dangerous because there are holes in the zones as a result of sending guys to get pressure. So, with all this talk about using zone coverages I feel like everyone is expecting to scrap man coverage all together. If I had to bet I’d say this is not the case. By Stoops saying we will be “multiple” I assume he means multiple fronts, multiple coverages, multiple blitz packages, multiple everything. It sounds like a lot but it really is not. Also, sometimes zone coverages can look like man especially in the secondary (compared to lb’s). Quarters can often look like man. Any type of progression zone can look like man to the naked eye. It sounds simple but the concepts are difficult to pick up.

by fsucj2431 on Mar 26, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I would imagine we’ll mix it up but the base defense will be zone. I would also say that the days of blitz = man are starting to end. A lot of teams run zone blitzes, which isn’t neccessarily a blitz, by flooding the area behind the blitz with zone defenders. You can also concede areas on the field, like the flats, or run a cover-2 instead of a cover-3 to blitz.

by evenflow58 on Mar 26, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, you are right

I was referring to blitzing without dropping any linemen. Running a pure zone coverage behind a blitz can be very dangerous especially if you aren’t running quarters. An experienced quarterback will recognize the opening and exploit it.

by fsucj2431 on Mar 26, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most of our blitzes will be zone blitzes

but we will run some man blitzes as well. And we will definitely deploy quarters against NC State and UF type teams.

by Bud Elliott on Mar 26, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

how often does stoops blitz?

I got the impression he mainly uses the front four for pressure

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Mar 26, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sending 4 and using the front-4 for pressure are not the same

For instance, we might blitz our strong safety and weakside backer while dropping our DE and NG into underneath coverage. 4 rushers, not linemen.

He likes to create confusion.

by Bud Elliott on Mar 26, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Yes, i’m familiar with that type of pressure, I just wasn’t sure if he brought ‘extra’ guys often.

I’m definitely thrilled with what i’m reading about so far in regards to Stoops’ defensive scheme/philosophy

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Mar 26, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bump sounds great, but what about the run?

As our players get bigger, how much will it affect their speed? The “run” in bump and run is very reliant on top quality make-up speed.

by basaltrock on Mar 26, 2010 7:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Exactly.

The term bump-and-run can be deceiving because the run part isn’t necessarily always there. Technically if a corner is playing a hard cover 2 they are using a bump-and-run technique.

by fsucj2431 on Mar 26, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

More commonly known as jamming. In cover two your suppose to jam your receiver and sink back into your position on the flats. (of course there are the exceptions as to not jamming while in cover 2)

by DJ82585 on Mar 26, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not all added weight is the same.

Adding an additional 10 pounds of quality fast-twitch muscle (which is what FSU’s nutrition/S&C program is designed to do) actually IMPROVES athletic output.
Additional MASS x additional ACCELERATION = additional FORCE.

Should be fun to watch……….provided you are not a fan of the opposition.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by DRusso97 on Mar 28, 2010 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Unlikely

If you played Cover 10 under Andrews for decades, they are used to Bump & Run. Bump & Run is more of a man technique than zone.

Zones do it to funnel receivers and break timing routes. Whether they’ll do it better than in the past remains to be seen, but its hard to play worse defense than you did last year.

by DrB on Mar 27, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true,

But the techniques for playing 10, 11 or 12 compared to a straight cover 2, cover 3 or quarters will vary. The concepts are there but the techniques will change. I do agree with you that the changes are not as extreme as many think.

by fsucj2431 on Mar 27, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bump and run?

we don’t have any CB’s big enough (except Avis) to do this.

Nothing can stop us....

by TLHWG on Mar 26, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Rhodes is ideal size for a cover 2 physical corner.

Jenijeand Harris are also plenty big. Joyner is big enough and Reid is small but he doesn’t mind hitting people. You don’t necessarily have to be huge to bump someone. It’s more about mindset and technique (although being Xavier Rhodes at 209 doesn’t hurt either).

by fsucj2431 on Mar 26, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

not always about size

Bump and run is not always about size as many would like to think. It’s about disruption of the receiver. You want to get at least one good stick in your receivers pads and release. If you do not release in time the receiver will be on your heals and your screwed,(STS).

by DJ82585 on Mar 26, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly, which is why I mentioned Deon Sanders earlier

NFL receivers claimed he jammed them well at the line. He was not small, but not big either.

by nolestuff on Mar 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZg53bMyZIw

this vid will prob explain it a lot better, it’s from the receivers POV

by DJ82585 on Mar 26, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed!

I agree with you! My father was 5’9 when he played at FSU and UNA, most of the DBs he played with where around 5’9. I watched old videos of them growing up. All I can say is wow…they were stout as oxes, not only could they play bump and run with the best of them, they would knock this piss out of you. I tend to liken a lot of the defensive changes to being more old school then many might realize (i am speaking of the general concepts).

by DJ82585 on Mar 26, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

It’s all about how you use your hands and having strong hands to jolt the WR and lock him at the line of scrimmage. And of course, fluid hips for the “run” part.

by 504Nole on Mar 26, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Rico, interesting reading.

>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em

by FrankDNole on Mar 26, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I like that it states that the bump is intended to put pressure on the quarteback.

It delays the throw and prevents the qb from know exactly where his players will. Next year should be really interesting. Our opponents are in for a culture shock on what we wiil do.

by nolesontop on Mar 26, 2010 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about you guys

but I am going to be glad to see something other than cover 0. I can’t wait to see our defense actually have a scheme.

by fsunole23 on Mar 27, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Ricobert and contributors!

Really good job digging into those facts and resources.

Y’all make me feel like an idiot. I’ve got some homework to do ;)

Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!

by FiestaNole on Mar 27, 2010 6:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Gotta hate Clemson

But the guys over at Shakin the Southland really know their stuff. SB Nation is a great online community. Lots of knowledgeable sources here and all over.

by ricobert1 on Mar 27, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure "bump and run" is a golf term

It’s a option to use instead of the floppadopolus.
Seriously, where do you guys get your football knowledge from.

by stilts on Mar 27, 2010 7:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Are you serious?

You have never heard of the “bump and run” in describing a defensive back’s coverage of a receiver?

by Jaggernaut on Mar 27, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

Bump and run is a golf term. And no, he’s not serious. Of course, the term can be used in football as well
How serious can someone be when they use floppadopolus in a post?
(good word)

by CelticPride on Mar 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the most likely use of the new DB size will be against the run.

We will run some man as well but I would guess mostly with some match-up type looks on the same play.

I don’t expect to bump that much in zone. especiall y 3 deep or more. The primary goal is usually for the corner to show man or cover 2 and then bail at the snap of the ball.

They will very seldome risk that by taking time to flirt with WR’s around the line of scrimage.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 27, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the most likely use of the new DB size will be against the run.

Excellent call about a response to stopping the run. In a zone heavy scheme, all defenders on the field need to be able to make tackles whether the ballcarrier is a RB, TE, or RB. Sweeps / swing passes or anything that puts that ballcarrier into a CB’s zone means he is responsible for making the play. Hard to be an enforcer at 175 lbs. when just about all the backs in the league or well over that. Heck, even our “little man” Chris Thompson is closer to 190 lbs. now.

by ricobert1 on Mar 27, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Gregg will be an exception...

I could be wrong, but he stopped his man and got them on the ground when he needed to last year. He was never trucked by RB’s.

I believe he is special and will at least play well enough against the run not to be a weak link.

I also blieve his ball skills combined with suffecient run support will still make him a starter down the road… how far IDK?

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 27, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Greg should be ok. I could be wrong but from what I have seen he has a mindset where he isn’t afraid to mix it up with bigger guys. I remember him coming up and laying the wood in the Miami game last year and I don’t recall seeing him shy away from contact at all in any games.

by fsucj2431 on Mar 27, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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