Florida State Spring Scrimmage Observations
by Bud Elliott on Mar 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT
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PrintThe 1st team offense had 12 plays against the 2nd team defense, and the 2nd team offense has 12 against the 1st team defense. Then they did it againMost guys received 1st and 2nd-team reps. There are a few who are clearly 1st-teamers. This is from people we trust who were there.
Ponder was very sharp throughout and Reliford had 2 drops which hurt Ponder's stats. I am told Ponder looked like his usual self and was showing very little if any ill effects from his shoulder surgery. Reliford caught a 20-yard touchdown. Reliford is not a natural ball catcher but he is now 260+ lbs and his blocking is noticeably better. Fortson had a catch for 25+ and another nice grab.. Rodney Smith looked noticeably bigger. By far the best 2nd team lineman was Demonte McAllister, who had surprising penetration into the backfield. All of the running backs had big runs (30+ yarders) as the first team offensive line just abused the 2nd-team defensive line. In particular FSU's offensive tackle tandem of Datko and Orelus (tackle for Spring, guard when Sanders and Greenlee heal up) abused the young 2nd-team defensive ends (Stevens/ Hicks) allowing for FSU's backs to get the corner and up the field. Lonnie Pryor showed why he is a matchup nightmare catching the ball one play and blocking on others. Truly an all-purpose weapon. Ponder diagnoses so quickly and with the defense playing very basic very deliberate zone coverages (more on that below), he had an easy go of it. This offense could be poised to make the jump from a top-10 unit (2009) to potentially the best in the country.
The 2nd-team linebackers were Jeff Luc, Mister Alexander, and Vince Wiliams. Please keep in mind that these depth charts are subject to change and they almost certainly will change as the Spring and Summer wears on. Jenijie, Allen, Rhodes, and Reid all split time with the first and second teams. Reid made a nice breakup on a ball intended for Fortson. Rhodes and Reid began as 2nd-teamers. The coaches made an effort to get players looks on the first and 2nd teams. Harley and Demps began as the first team safeties while Terrance Parks (free safety) and Nick Moody (strong safety) were the 1st-team group. The defense looks very raw right now and they are extremely mechanical/ methodical. It's clear they are not used to playing zone defense (we knew that), and it is important to remember that this is tough stuff to learn. The defense is more concerned with getting to its appropriate zone at this point than it is with reading and adjusting on the fly. The first year is almost always rough. While the defense didn't look good, they were clearly focused on fundamentals and alignment. Players helped each other where to line up and it didn't appear that they were making the same mistakes over and over again. The one positive was that the defense did not, for the most part, allow guys to be completely open downfield with nobody around them. Making opposing offenses execute over more plays increases the chance of a turnover or offensive mistake and that should help the defense this year.
The 1st-team defense looked better than the 2nd-team defense. That was expected as the 1st team has better players and does not have to face one of the top offenses in the country. They don't necessarily have the defense a lot more down pat than the 2nd-team guys (both have had 6 days so far), but they are more experienced football players. The 1st-team linebackers were Carr, Bradham, and Smith. Smith looks noticeably thicker. The 1st-team defensive line was RDE Jenkins, DT Dawkins/ McCloud, NG McDaniel (though obviously playing multiple fronts dictates that McCloud/ Dawkins are occasionally aligned in that 1-tech), and LDE White. Jenkins had multiple sacks, beating 2nd-team Offensive Tackle Blake Snider. Snider is out of position at Tackle in my opinion but is playing there due to injuries/ off-season surgeries. Also keep in mind that occasionally a sack in practice is a touch sack.. Even a fingertip of a defender on the QB leads to blowing the whistle. While Jenkins looked good I am pretty sure at least one of those was a protection bust. I'm told Nick Moody looked good in run support.
2pm Update: Andrew Carter has a full play-by-play and some observations of his own. His play-by-play is much clearer than ours and I would absolutely check that out.
As I said, the coverages were very basic and the defense did not run many exotics (how could they, they have only had 6 practices and 3 in pads). The 1st-team defense did do a nice job against the first-down run a few times. AC's play-by-play shows 5 of 8 1st down runs were stopped for 2 or fewer yards by the 1st-team defense. It all starts by winning first down. AC said in his article that the 1st-team defense roared back in the 2nd series and well, they did. 4 straight 3 and outs and zero first downs allowed. While 'Nole fans should expect the 1st-team defense to eventually dominate the 2nd-team offense, I did not expect that today and I remember the 2nd-team offense dominating the 1st-team defense last year while being led by a walk-on quarterback. Baby steps.
While this is not a depth chart (Fisher doesn't want a depth chart released), here's a look at how the guys lined up.
RDE (offensive left) Jenkins, DT Dawkins/ McCloud, NG McAllister, LDE White, SLB Carr, MLB Smith, WLB Bradham, FIeld Corner Allen, Boundary Corner Jenijie, Free Safety Parks, Strong Safety Moody
2nd-team RDE Stevens, DT McAllister, NG walk-on (McCray will play Nose when he returns), LDE Hicks, SLB Williams, MLB Luc, WLB Alexander, Field Corner Reid, Boundary Corner Rhodes, Free Safety Harley, Strong Safety Demps.
The corners are already doing a better job of playing the ball.
Debrale Smiley trucked some folks as a tailback with the 3rd team (he was playing a lot of fullback when the 1st and 2nd team was on the field). Smiley is still pretty raw and this is all very new for him (and he didn't play football last season). Bert Reed and Jarmon Fortson really look like excellent starters. I'm happy to see that my prediction of quality cornerback play looks good early.
5pm Update: Andrew Carter has free video of Fisher's thoughts. Definitely tough on these guys. Not happy with Ty Jones missing a cut on the goal line. Careful not to give Jenkins much praise.
More to come as I can write it up.
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McAllister and Jenkins blowin up
According to this and AC’s reports. Heck, even Markus White made a stop against a run play! Good last stand by the 1st team D versus 2nd team O.
Thanks for posting this.
I’ve been waiting anxiously all day to here the results.
On a sidenote, in the 3rd paragraph there is an incomplete sentence:
“Harley and Demps began as the first team safeties while Parks (free safety) Moody (strong safety)”
Sounds like an improvement over last year
Which is really all we are looking for. AC sounds very impressed with Jenkins and said his sacks were legit instead of scrimmage sacks. Glad to hear he is stepping up
I know its fairly early but...
how much will Smith and Haulstead play this season? I’ve been super excited for these physical specimens line up against opposing Ds since they signed. What would you project this seasons wr rotation to look like?
Imo, extensive playing time.
We have 7 WR in spring practice:
Reed and Fortson – starters
Haulstead and Smith – fighting for that 3rd starter spot?
Gehres, Alexander and Wade – minimal game experience (even Wade may have less in-game experience than Smith and Haulstead in our offense)
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So I'm assuming
Bradham was the Mike today with the 1’s and Williams was the Sam with the 2’s.
by AMFKNole on Mar 27, 2010 3:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
thanks
I still hope that luc plays like a beast in spring and moves into the starting spot over Smith but thats just me…atleast carr is showing some signs that he can replace watson..
Since the coaches only motivation is to get the bestd efense out there and they don't have any connection toi the young v. old guys
I am going to just trust that they are playing the best. And it is extremely fluid right now.
i agree that coaches will finally decide starters based on talent and ability not favoritism
but deep down inside I’ve just felt disappointed by smith, granted after hearing the sub par coaching everyone recieved last year I should have some belief that everyone will improve and maybe he’ll become dominant this year, but after last year when I said before the season started that mangnum shouldnt see the field, I only see the same results happening again….
Sorta' related...
I had dinner last night with some friends from Tucson, huge UA fans. They confirmed that Stoops did amazing things with left-over recruits, that’s all they could get at UA, and it should be exciting to see what he does with HS blue chippers at FSU :)
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
I think Fiesta is stuck back in December of 2009.
;)
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
then let me make this more relevant to the scrimmage
Tucson is close to Tombstone. There are posters around town of Kurt Russell in his role Wyatt Earp, with this quote for a caption:
“Justice is coming.”
Earp said that right before his famous vendetta ride, when he went out and slaughtered many of his enemies.
Looking at how the spring is progressing, I have a new sig line. :)
Tell our enemies: "Justice is coming."
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Great stuff thanks
A few things stood out for me here. Good things happen it seems when the ball is in Lonnie Pryor’s hands. I noticed this last season. Chris Thompson beginning to show some of the things we expected from him also. Good news.
Many people said Demonte McAllister was the best technique tackle they had seen including Pete Carroll. He must be as it seems he was getting great penetration. That is what we need. I assume he was at tackle.
Secord seemed to be looking for Gehres early on and he was making the plays. Some questioned giving him a grey shirt but it looks like the coaches knew what they were doing.
It looks like that knee has not finished Tavares “heartbreak hotel” Presley, 38 yard TD scamper and nobody could catch him. I am really happy for this guy. I hope the knee holds up.
Ty Jones back in the mix also. You just have to say we have a very impressive stable of running backs. It won’t be like the old days when they had to move Preston Parker to tailback because of no depth.
Orelus playing tackle? He must have shed some of that baby fat and is now ready to play some football.
Reiliford best hold onto the ball, Will Tye and Sessions are headed this way down the road.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Pretty impressive if McAllister was creating havoc from an interior position.
He can’t weigh much more than 260 right now, and likely less than that.
by The K-Man on Mar 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh wow, forgot about moving Parker to RB a few years back.
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No
I haven’t seen any pics of him. He must have put on some beef though if they are throwing him in at tackle.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
I didn't see any mention of Justin Bright
Has he bulked up enough to be effective yet?
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Stats by AC
On his blog AC put up the stats from the scrimmage.
TOTALS:
OFFENSE
Christian Ponder: 6-for-12, 91 yards, 1 TD
Will Secord: 4-for-8, 23 yards
Chris Thompson: 6 carries, 51 yards
Ty Jones: 5 carries, 27 yards
Lonnie Pryor: 4 carries, 49 yards
Bert Reed: 2 catches, 23 yards
Jermaine Thomas: 7 carries, 41 yards, 1 TD
Tavares Pressley: 3 carries, 43 yards, 1 TD
Josh Gehres: 1 catch, 6 yards
Rodney Smith: 2 catches, 12 yards
Jarmon Fortson: 1 catch, 27 yards
Lonnie Pryor: 1 catch, 13 yards
Chris Thompson: 1 catch, 9 yards
Beau Reliford: 1 catch, 19 yards, 1 TD
Cameron Wade: 1 catch, 5 yards
DEFENSE
Vince Williams: 7.5 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss
Brandon Jenkins: 5 tackles, 5 tackles for loss, 3 sacks
Demonte McAllister: 3.5 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss
Xavier Rhodes: 3 tackles, 1 pass break-up
Greg Reid: 3 tackles, 1 pass break-up
Jeff Luc: 2.5 tackles
whoa...
Vince williams 7.5 tackles…….
good amount of running yards for the offense…reliford needs to play more consistent
5 TFL!
For Jenkins.. Even if u take away the 3 “touch” sacks that’s impressive
by Quentin C on Mar 27, 2010 4:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Andrew Carter said he didn't consider any of them touch sacks.
Said he had some clear shots at the QB. (Maybe you posted this before the AC OS blog link was posted.)
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I did… But now that makes his afternoon even more impressive IMO
by Quentin C on Mar 28, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
V.Williams
The numbers look nice but nothing I have read has named him as one of the stand out performers. This could mean that he made the play when the ball was coming his way but he wasn’t as dominant or disruptive as McAllister or Jenkins. It would still be a big improvement over last year though. I’m rooting for Vince though.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 27, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
so cameron wade had a catch?
thats more production than i thought he’d have all spring..
Careful using Tackles to evaluate players.
You can make the tackle and not have filled your gap and not have a good play.
The back injury is the only thing that held up Williams
The guy is a stud horse when healthy with a real mean attitude.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
How big is Jenkins again?
I think I remember that he is 232….is that right?
Think it's been said he's claming 240 right now.
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Boys the gates are real worried about out oline and defensive end depth
If you feel like torturing your mind a bit with distorted reasoning! LOL
http://florida.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=865&tid=131823233&mid=131823233&sid=882&style=2
http://florida.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=865&tid=132528768&mid=132528768&sid=882&style=2
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
OLine depth?
WTF they are loaded at OLine.
Their DLine is another story and largely depends on Hunter
I don’t understand how any Nole would go to that site talking to those fools is like dealing with an obstinate child.
by AMFKNole on Mar 27, 2010 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree they are idiots
But they do have some reasons for their buffoonery. I mean, they have beaten us (with Jimbo on board) by 33, 30, 27 points the last three years (and the last SIX in a row). We’ve been 7-6 three out of the last four years, and Jimbo IS a rookie HC. Meanwhile, their coach pulls the most ridiculous, this-man-is-losing-his-mind move and STILL manages to sign the best recruiting class in the nation. With all of this, FSU SHOULD be in a shut-up-until-you’ve-put-up mode. Right now we are unrealized potential.
Like many here, I believe that we are getting better. I believe Jimbo is going to be a great HC for us (I hope for a very long time!). I think we have a tremendous staff in place. I’ve been impressed with their interviews, I like their results at past jobs. But, until we have some on-field results, we really shouldn’t be talking about national titles, beating the gators, or even ACC titles. At least, not like they are inevitable. Heck, if the shoe was on the other foot, we’d be laughing at the “optimistic” gators, too.
And you know what? I am fine with the gators overlooking us. I hope they disrespect us and Jimbo – and that they get shocked in Tallahassee next year.
Plus
Gator fans see Jimbo through these lenses:
A) His offenses are 3-7 against UF (0-2 vs. Spurrier, 2-1 vs. Zook, 1-4 vs. Meyer).
2) They’ve averaged 15.9 pts per game against UF…
2.WYSIWYG) But 7/10 times have scored 15 or less (highest scores: 36 [with a defensive TD], 24, 21. In ‘03 LSU’s only score was a punt return for a TD.
D) They’ve averaged a not-eye-opening 341 yards per game against UF (avg. of 270 while at FSU).
The majority of UF fans don’t follow FSU particulars as closely as most people on here. Many haven’t paid much attention to our coaching hires, or bothered to watch the videos. They really see no reason to be worried; their team just restocks with elite talent. I understand where their ho-hum attitude about FSU comes from. Jimbo may not be “results-oriented,” but the majority of fans out there are – until we show them something on the field, we can’t expect them to respect us.
Um...
Wouldn’t that make JF look even worse to gator fans? “It doesn’t matter WHO our DC is, he can’t score on us!”
Again, I think he’ll be a heckuva HC for us, but looking at this from the other side of the dung heap I can see why they aren’t particularly nervous.
Fair enough, though I think a breakdown is more accurate then just averaging everything together.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 27, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It might pain you to do it
But just mention that the gap between Alabama and Florida closed rather quickly and is expanding the other way quite quickly.
All with probably less stars (sorry, haven’t done the research)
by BenDNole on Mar 27, 2010 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh I think Bama is passing them quickly
by Bud Elliott on Mar 27, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
I have interest because as long as Miles is at LSU they’ll never be a serious threat to UF. We obviously need someone in the SEC to be strong in order to keep them from winning anymore NC’s (Or at least qualifying to play for them). I hope to one day not have to compete with those idiots via “proxy”
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 27, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Bama is more organized and everyone buys into Saban
And I don’t think there’s anyone all that close to Nick right now.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 27, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence, your previous comment about what if Saban and Meyer switched places
“Alabama would be elite while UF would be all time great” due to the vast difference in recruiting base. Paraphrasing, but still. I told a coach buddy of mine that when UF sucks they win 8 games. When Bama sucks they win 5-6 or six. Thats the difference a talent base makes. There are cracks in the foundation at UF, and for whatever reason I keep thinking it has something to do with Meyer. Way too much has been left unsaid
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 27, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
More organized
By that do you mean the secondary staff that Saban has brought to Bama? Is UF not using that?
And speaking of Miles I watched LSU’s spring game today. Things do not look good for the Tigers. No push up the middle, lots of missed tackles and a QB who can not make the downfield throws they are asking him to make. I think Miles gets 2 years and then he is gone.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 27, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Just from the looks of things, I think Saban's program has one vision
while the Gators is a bit more cloudy.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 27, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
My impression
It just looks like Saban does more work than Meyer. He doesn’t really need a DC and the offense is an obvious reflection of what he wants to do.
Meyer on the other hand looked like he gave total control of the D to Strong and the big drop off in point when the OCs changed makes me thing Mullen was doing more than I thought.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget that two NFL receivers left also
To me, Harvin was always their REAL “Best player”. Funny how when they both (Percy and Louis Murphy) left so did the explosive element in their passing offense. Plus, Percy was their best running back, per UF coaches. It amazes me that when people stroke Tebow they fail to realize one of the primary reasons he was as effective as he was is that he was surrounded by a bevy of talented cats who could go the distance at any time while he ran the short yardage stuff
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You could say that about any Heisman winner, though.
Ward and Weinke were surrounded by the same type of cats.
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It was not FSU’s receivers who had the breakaway speed and threat of a Harvins, but it was the constant threat of duo W28 and C17 that opened the passing lanes for our receivers.
Not to mention people are beginning to come into Louisiana and steal talent now
I never thought that would happen. How the hell does Auburn…Auburn end up with Reed? Tiger fans hate Saban because they don’t have em and Bama stands to win 2 or more titles with him.
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Auburn
That new staff can recruit. I just don’t know how well they coach. Didn’t think they would beat us for Lemonier though. I wouldn’t mind playing them but I doubt it never happens. FSU will never play in the kick off classic and money is always against Auburn making a BCS bowl.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Trooper Taylor really did his thing this past recruiting season
Lots of Canes believe Lemonier’s recruitment was extremely shady. But hell, aren’t they all?
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate when people accuse others of cheating
If they don’t have proof they just come off like a sore loser. There are a ton of reasons not to play at UM. Don’t have to get paid to leave lol.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
there is a lot of reason to believe lemonier's recruitment was shady.
365 days, until I change my ways.
Hasn't Auburn stood us up twice already?
I believe that the last time they did it was the first home game of FSU’s season, and they bugged out on the contract just 7 months before the game. My feelings at the time were that FSU should have responded with: "Our captains will be on the field for the coin toss, 83,000 people will be in the stands, and the ABC will be there with a national audience.
I think it was 98
And Tuberville didn’t want to begin his tenure by getting blasted. They wanted to schedule easy wins instead.
by Jamil Dawson on Mar 29, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Auburn won't schedule FSU or other top OOC Team
Tennessee has been the only top-tier SEC team that schedules top quality OOC opponents. While these matchups get their fans excited, create great cross-region TV ratings and the ability to get in the homes of top recruits outside the southeast, it takes a toll on their win-loss record. Alabama, UF and Auburn have dumbed-down ther OOC schedule for quite some years. In fact, wasn’t one of the first thing Tommy Tuberville did when he became Auburn’s head coach is DROP FSU from its schedule?
And we wouldn't schedule them
Not in the near future, at least.
They are smart
And they actually have scheduled WVU when WVU was a BCS team and now Clemson for a home nad home.
Any worry about jimbo leaving
If there’s an opening at LSU?
by Sabon on Mar 28, 2010 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Waaaaay too early for that
Even if he was thinking about it word would never come out. Jimbo has to sell recruits on the program and you couldn’t do that if word was leaking out about interest in a job that you don’t even know if you will be offered. To be honest Muschamp and Pelini would be much splashier hires than Jimbo.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I've always looked at it like that
Nothing has happened to change how I feel about the Jimbo-LSu thing. LSU has more money and easier recruiting. FSU has an easier road to winning titles. No coach is going to sit at a top 20 job and openly express to anyone he wants to go somewhere else. But that doesn’t mean they won’t jump ship. If he gets the call, it will be a completely personal decision if he goes because the two jobs are basically equal.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Having your position evolve can be a good thing
Just wanted to commend you for changing your position, even if you believe you didn’t.
On a Mar 25, 2010 7:43 AM PDT-reply you stated,
Fisher would be a much more attractive move at that point in time than Muschamp.
Now (above) you state,
Muschamp and Pelini would be much splashier hires than Jimbo.
I agree with you…that is, in your modified, most recent opinion.
Attractive and splashy aren't the same thing
The other two would be splashier because they would cause a big media frenzy. Fisher would be more attractive (imo) because he would fix LSU’s biggest problem, the declining offense, and he has been recruiting in places that LSU already recruits in.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Why hide behind and parse silly definitions. When do top-reated programs care about making “splashy” hires? And, quite frankly, who cares? I don’t see where “splashy” coaching hires should even fit into major college football venacular. If anything, Fisher would be the “splashy” hire and Muschamp is the boring but solid defensive giant that will rebuild LSU’s program. Muschamp has not only recruited at LSU, he’s recruited the much more furtile grounds of Texas too. DO your homework. LSU has a history of doing much better with defensive-minded coaches.
Fisher has been in FLorida much longer than he's been in Louisiana
You remind me of the hysterical UGA fans that had irrational fear and paranoia that
FisherMark Richt would be more attractive (imo) because he would fixLSU’sFSU’s biggest problem, the declining offense, and he has been recruiting in places thatLSUFSU already recruits in.
LSU will be just fine with a top notched Defensive Coordinator/Head Coach and an average offensive coordiantor.
Um, how do you figure
Jimbo’s been in Florida longer than Louisiana? This is his 4th year here at FSU; he was at LSU for seven years. Other coaching stops include: Samford, Auburn, Cincy… I’m not seeing any other Florida stops in there.
I’m not saying that he would (or should) go to LSU – I actually think he’d do better to stay here. I’m just wondering if I’ve missed something about Fisher (did he spend time in Florida somewhere before his stint here?).
Good question...
I was counting his experience in recruiting in Florida, since he began coaching. In his first coaching foray at Samford, Jimbo Fisher coached under, and with, Terry and Tommy Bowden. who placed a sizable priority in recruiting skilled players from the state of Florida. He also continued to reach down into Florida for talent at his offensive stints at Auburn and LSU, as many currently on his staff had done with their perspective schools before they joined him at FSU. In fact, rarely does half of the state of Florida’s 4* and 5* sign with UF, FSU, and Miami combined…opening the door for sharp, out of state coaches, like JF, to sign Florida talent.
No worries from me.
Easier to get to the BCS CG at FSU than at LSU. If, in a year or two, LSU pursues him and he’s had success here, he’ll get a pay raise from us to retain him.
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Nebraska fans
are probably having the same discussion, but FSU and Nebraska are both big time programs in major conferences, so unless the idea of coaching in the SEC is just too overpowering, I do not see either wanting to be at LSU
Relax Bud...LSU's Cat...er tiger, is already out of the bag
LSU caught things just right when it stumbled into its early decade run. Never before, and never again, will they have free reign in the SEC with the simultaneous misfiring of Alabama, UF, Tennessee and now, Auburn. Because their success was recent, they cast a shadow that is creating alot of irrational fear of us loosing JF. Can it happen? Yes. Will it happen? Not likely. We could just as likely lose him to Florida or the NFL.
Underestimating LSU
They don’t need everyone else to misfire. Having the state of La. to yourself is better than having to split Ala or Fla. They also have comparable football money to anyone in the SEC. If LSU had a quality staff they would be at the top of their conference. IMO the LSU job is now better than Tennessee, Auburn and UGA.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Which LSU are you talking about? The one you say I'm "Underestimating" or the LSU you said earlier is "basically equal to FSU?"
Show me when LSU was a national championship caliber team with a strong Alabama and Florida, much less a rising Auburn too. You’re not going to be able to do it. A once in a lifetime anomaly of having a particularly weak SEC (in 2007 UGA should have gone to the title game over a two-loss LSU anyway) coupled with the best assemblage of college football coaching in the last 20 years, was an occurance not likely to repeat itself. What’s the fascination with LSU? I agree with what you said LAST Time, not this time. LSU is stout, but is still a middle-of-the-pack SEC program. The days of “owning” their state are over. Besides owning 1/2 the state of Florida is better than owning ALL of Louisiana—-any day.
by g8r-h8r on Mar 28, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ignoring what LSU has
Why are the days of LSU owning La. over? Who is going in there and beating LSU for prospects? And when I said the LSU and FSU jobs are basically equal I was talking about the whole being equal, not the parts, if both teams are running at full tilt. LSU has more money, better facilities, better exposure and easier recruiting job.
Saying a program’s success is because of the shortcomings of others is easy to do. USC didn’t rise from the dead until the Pac 10 fell apart. OU and Texas didn’t rebound until Nebraska fell off. FSU never won a MNC facing a strong Miami and UF at the same time. Doesn’t mean any of those teams weren’t talented. It also doesn’t mean they will fall off if someone else rises.
The talent Bama, UF or Auburn gets has no effect on LSU because LSU has it’s own talent pool. Bama and Auburn have to split Ala and still go into Miss, Fla and Ga. UF has to deal with FSU, Miami and the entire SEC for studs. Other than McKnight I can’t think of a single stud player from La that LSU has whiffed on. Maybe 1/2 of Fla would beat owning La. But who has half of Fla?
LSU’s rise wasn’t a fluke. Neither is the fact that since 07 LSU’s recruiting rankings have been right there with Bama’s and UF’s across the services. Even this last year when Auburn recruited well, which I guess is the reason you say they are reemerging since they have done nothing on the field, LSU still ended up with a higher star average. Auburn just beat them in the rankings because they had more kids.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pls, enough of the vain babbling
It’s easy to regurgitate things thrown on the board by others and wring your hands thinking the sky is falling. Drill down, look at the numbers, do real analysis, then come to an intelligent conclusion. We haven’t even talked about how Tennessee can also be a threat to LSU. Even with the tumultuous year and instability UT had this year, they came within one ESPN 150 recruit (quality) from LSU, all, with less total recruits.
But one of the biggest mistakes you are making is assuming that a wall around Louisiana, even with decent coaching, will automatically put LSU back in the national title hunt.
Question: How many of the twelve 4* LSU signees came from in state this year? 9, 10, all 12? No! LSU was able to only find and pull four (4), that’s right, FOUR, of their top 12 recruits from the state of Louisiana. Whether the wall is collapsing or the quality of athlete is declining, one thing is for sure, Jimbo saw it coming and rather than stick around for what would have assuredly been a quick promotion as LSU’s next head coach, made an intelligent, lateral move to FSU. Let’s face the facts; they were a flash in the pan. LSU’s "Wall" has fallen and they can’t get it back up!
Nebraska USED to be a big time program
Not any longer
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, people could say the same about FSU
and if LSU keeps sliding they could say the same for them.
Nebraska is ranked top five early on by many for next season. If they live up to the hype, they could easily start a roll and be considered big time again.
A lot of people DO say that about FSU
We have a quality recruiting base at our disposal(Like LSU), Nebraska doesn’t. Major difference. They’ve been second rate for well over a decade.
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I was just saying that on the surface – which is all that most UF fans see when it comes to FSU – the averages don’t look all that impressive. That’s why most UF fans don’t see us as an emerging threat to their state dominance.
Of course, most UF fans forget that our starting QB and best OL were out this year; Ponder was banged up for the 2008 game, too. And we all know how desperate things had gotten before Jimbo arrived… so, a few massacres were no surprise (I still laugh when people include “beating a good FSU team” as one of the arguments for UF’s SOS).
Again, I think Jimbo will be great for us. I LOVE what I’m seeing/hearing, and I do think we will be very good again very soon.
As long as our spring game doesn't turn out like the Canes..
then I will be fine. The backup UM QBs tossed 6 TDs on the Cane D. Your 3 backups should never combine for 6 TDs, i don’t care how good a couple of your wideouts are.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
But in regards to Jimbo's record against UF while at LSU
Weren’t a lot of those games like 13-10 bloodbaths? So UF’s offensive output wasn’t the greatest either when you have two elite defensive teams playing in the same contest. That would put a dent in a lot of coaches resumes
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Scores
2000: 9-41
2001: 15-44
2002: 36-7
2003: 7-19
2004: 24-21
2005: 21-17
2006: 10-23
So, post-Spurrier, the games tended to be close. And right now, a close game vs. UF sounds palatable.
First couple of games
First couple of games the team was just getting built up so UF had a major talent advantage. That is the part Gates like to forget. LSU sucked for decades before Saban really got set up. I think we could see something similar happen with us. The last 3 games were when the talent gap was massive. From here on out the gap shrinks and in a year or two every game should be competitive like they were at the turn of the century.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I think the gap is closing, and faster than the gators obviously think (from their comments on that other blog). Personally, I can’t wait for their jaws to drop!
Thanks for the info. Those blowout also probably occurred as Saban was cleaning up the mess LSU had become
But like you said in the above post: We have to actually beat them in order for UF fans to really believe we are improving as a program (Not that I care what those jackasses think, but still). I for whatever reason think 2010 will be closer than folks believe. There are going to a more pro style offense (One that Meyer cannot teach IMO) and we have a competent staff on hand. Plus, we have them at home 10-11 games deep into our acclimation period (Defensively)
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, the SEC as a whole was a lot weaker during Spurrier's reign
LSU, Georgia, Auburn, and later on Bama all stagnated as programs. In the early 90’s UF’s main competition for SEC supremacy was Bama. Mid to late 90’s: Tennessee. Thats the untold secret of the Spurrier era IMO.
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
A red-shirt freshman who we now know was nursing a shoulder injury
But who cares? It will be a shock when we beat them, and we will beat them soon. Maybe not this year, but soon. I would love it if CP7 was the one who brought them to their knees on the eve of winning a Heisman.
Hey Crocs, maybe your Heisman trophy winning QB will get to play backup to our Heisman winner.
What I gathered was...
They have a better star rating than us at every position and the freeze play is ridiculous.
Sounds about right. Once either fanbase starts trying to explain or excuse something and starts throwing out subjective measures, I quit reading (in other words, I only read the first comment in each thread).
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
And as someone noted over there
Trickett had always been praised for the discipline of the OL not moving in the case of an onsides – it wasn’t until the UF game, when Danielson (? I think) didn’t know what the heck was going on, that it became a joke. Regardless of whether Sanders made a mistake on that one play, the real idiot in that game was the announcer who had no clue why our line sometimes didn’t move (I think he even referred to it as a “trick play”!).
That was McMahon's fault
and not Sanders. It the ball isn’t snapped on the right snap count they are supposed to freeze.
"You play to WIN the GAME"
the incident where danielson was confused and it became a joke
was when he tried to outrun the cobra kai on his bicycle and they caught him and beat him up
poor danielson
Our Oline
These guys are trying to say FSU is hurting on the oline. Trickett only recruited one guy yada yada. Also we only have one defensive end Markus White.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
I don't worry about it Bud
I read it for laughs, kind of like people watch Jon Daly or laugh in.
I noted with the gates they desperately try and tell themselves the FSU offense won’t be one of the best in the nation and they try to hammer home that Stoops will not make a difference in the defense. Both propositions are fail. I honestly think we have a good shot at kicking their tails next year and they know it. They are in major transition themselves and their coach is a head case.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Both schools should be consistently very good to great
I think brantley is a stud but their wideouts are questionable.
Thompson has been a bust so far in college and the other projected starter is far from a impressive
There’s a reason they moved Rainey to slot receiver (Aside from the fact they LOVE Gillislee). If Debose can’t make it back or has another setback they may be screwed on offense for a brief one. Defensively? different story
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Thompson's only a bust because he's never had a real QB.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
by tricknole on Mar 28, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Almost cried I was laughing so hard......
BringBackBonners quote of TruCane…
FLORIDA IS the barometer in which you measure your program right now. I hate ya but it is what it is. The speed all over the field, the depth at every position, the stability in the coaching. It’s what every program strives for.
Gotta love
the coaching stability in Gainesville this off season.
by PadraicTheSeminole on Mar 27, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey UF coaching staff....
….Plutonium ions called. They want their stability back.
by The K-Man on Mar 27, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I meant to say "isotopes" and not ions.
I haven’t been this embarrassed since taking my neighbor’s aunt to Prom.
by The K-Man on Mar 27, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Next Season Prediction
Meyer will get in a fist fight with at least one of the following: a reporter, an opposing cheerleader, a paramedic, the Georgia mascot, a wall, or a newspaper. He will lose.
Yeah, Meyer gives new meaning to the term 'head' coach.
He seems like a meltdown waiting to happen.
Watch FSU’s resurgence and Bama’s domination be the cause of that ;)
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 28, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Doc, Laugh In went off the air in the early 70's. You've got to do better than that with this audience. ;-)
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Couldn't make it past the first page
People who can not form an intelligent football argument so they just try to insult. I don’t even think they are worried about our talent, they just want to take a shot at anything related to FSU.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 27, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud
I think it is healthy once in awhile to remind yourself why you despise orange and blue! LOL
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
I know that players switch from 1st & 2nd teams
but what is the reason for not having 1st team O play 1st team D?
Nothing can stop us....
It's just not done. Bama doesn't do it. UF doesn't. Texas doesn't. I think USC occasionally did under Pete.
You need your units to work and learn when stuff is just a bit slower.
Additionally, we don’t need starters beating on starters all that much.
Yes, but since second string guys might be trying to make more of an impression
Is there no fear of a second string defender laying the wood on a first string offensive player?
Justin Bright did that
and got sent down with the walk ons for a day. We do not play to hurt each other.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 27, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven't heard one encouraging note about Harley aside from his weight gain
Looking more and more like Parks at FS
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
Here's the thing with UF
UF is NOT going to see a major drop off this year (2010). On offense….. they may struggle at times….especially in short yardage situations, and if brantley goes down they are in big trouble….on Defense they have very little depth at DT, LB and Safety…for that matter they are thin at CB too…and their LB’s are small…in the 220 range….BUT who in the SEC east is better right now? UGA, Tenn, or South Carolina? Nope, Nope, and Nope! The rest of the East, and LSU in the west are not gonna beat them barring an upset. Don’t get me wrong, they are not gonna win a MNC or most likely even the SEC….but I really don’t expect them to lose more then 2 or 3 games….and yes I think we can beat them, plus they play Alabama early in the season, which could be good or bad for them, cause Alabama only is returning 3 starters on Defense….. I also think they will stumble somewere along their schedule…..now if the injury bug hits them…..all bets are off.
by hardhitter5050 on Mar 28, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
When they lost Murphy and Harvin there was a HUGE drop off in offensive production the following year. They didn’t lose as many games as people predicted, mainly due to a solid defense and weak SEC, but you could see their digression. The trend will continue. They now lose their holy roller, penis touching QB, a slew of talent and coaches.
They could have (and should have) lost a few games last year: Arkansas and USCe. I don’t expect floriduh to have the same success pulling out close games with all the turnover they have. I expect three losses. Compare that to their recent success, one loss per year, and that is a huge drop off. Maybe four losses if end up beating them.
Talent relative to opposition
UF will still be much more talented than the teams they face. USCe won’t be able to score on any defense with a pulse. Tennessee is replacing their entire offensive line and they weren’t an offensive power to begin with. UGA is switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 without the personnel to run it. LSU has a poor QB and coaching staff. Then you have USF, App State, Kentucky, Miami (OH), Miss State, Vandy, Bama and us. In that last group with the exceptions of Bama and us the talent gap is immense. With the way UF has been recruiting I just don’t see 4 losses on the schedule.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because the talent on other teams in the SEC is subpar, to say the least, does not mean
the university of felons schedule will be a breeze. Who would have ever thought three years ago weak forest would come into DOAK and take the Seminoles to the shed? Did anyone honestly think that would, hell even could happen? NO!
Teams in the SEC may look weak on paper, but you have to realize the talent of the felons won’t be the same either. Teams have bad games, teams play up, and players get injured.
I would not rule out three losses due to other teams in the SEC “looking” weak. A lot can happen. Players can fumble the ball in the endzone and cost their team a win they would have had in years past ;)
Not the same thing
Wake came into Doak and beat us because our coaching staff was a joke. I doubt UF will be using an outdated defensive scheme and has failed to coach up their offensive players. I think 3 losses is possible because UF can lose to Bama, us and then drop a game somewhere. But some people are acting as if the Gators will just fall off the map. You can not just ignore the stockpile of talent they stored up.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 28, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wake was the first game that came to mind, but...
there are examples (Wake & BC in ’08) of other teams coming into DOAK and beating us (with inferior talent) the last 5 years. These were teams that you looked at on paper and go “pshhh…we should win that one.”
No one ever expected to lose those games, but we did. Happens a lot in college football. It’s part of the norm. The felons are not an exception to the rule, just because they had recent success. All those coaches and (most of) the players that contributed to that great run are long gone. Like we’ve seen numerous times in college football. When you’re the top dog, the ride is all good and fun until some team your not expecting comes and knocks you in the F’n mouth.
I expect 2010 to be a reality check for the felons. Times are ah chaining, new teams are emerging. Out in gunsville there is no more timmy the tool to will them to victory. Just an arrogant ass hat that is set to self destruct. When he blows, watch out….or get cha popcorn =)
by TCHOP561 on Mar 28, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
UF
has the money and the direction of a very competent AD to handle any potential bumps on the road. They are not dealing with the same internal decay that had been going on here at FSU for YEARS before the infamous Wake Forest game. I am confident that if that sort of decay even begins, UF has the leadership and the funds to get out it quickly and effectively. But that’s just my opinion. UF is going to be elite for a long time. We can’t hope for them to fall. We just have to play the catch up game and close the gap.
by PadraicTheSeminole on Mar 29, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Four of the last five years their classes have been ranked in the top three by Rivals (#11 the other time) – and though rankings aren’t the be-all-end-all, SI did a story a couple months back that indicated that there is a correlation between top classes and BCS appearances.
I sincerely hope that UF starts declining, but I’ll believe it when I see it (I’m conditioned by my preseason hopes for us, which were repeatedly dashed over the last 10 years, not to expect too much; I hope they’ll falter, but…). After all, we restocked successfully for fifteen years or so. Guys like Thad Busby stepped up and had solid years at QB, LBs like Marvin Jones left and were replaced by guys like Derrick Brooks, etc.
I do think that Meyer benefitted from ideal conditions (both FSU and UM being down, Zook leaving a pretty good roster, the SEC being weaker, etc.), and I think he’s starting to crack (and it remains to be seen how his new coordinators will do compared with the old ones)… but I’m still wary of them.
IIRC we had a slew of talent during the Jeff Bowden era. We pulled in some really good classes.
Not once did we sniff the MNC. Meyer is said to have “taken a back seat approach to coaching”. He is supposed to be delegating more. But to who?Mullen, Gonzalez, Strong?
Sure the felons may have a great class. We had some in the past. Look what our coaching staff did to them. I am not sold on their coaching staff just yet. This year will answer a lot of questions. Can Brantley pick up where teblow left off? How will the defense hold up without strong? Are any of their receivers going to prove themselves? Is someone going to be able to carry the team when the game is on the line?
We’ve seen when new coaches come in and change things. The transition takes some time. You don’t hit the ground running like nothing ever happened.
Some good points
I’ve wondered how things will work out with Meyer “delegating” more. If all goes well for them, yuck; if it doesn’t, he’ll eventually give in to his personality and work himself back into mental/physical health problems (and as TCHOP suggested above, I’ll get my popcorn).
But our problem wasn’t all “coaching” – it was also evaluating talent and going after the right kinds of players. How many stud recruits never (or barely) saw the field for us in the last ten years? Some of our biggest names, who helped boost the rankings, never qualified, got kicked off the team, never panned out, etc. I’m not sure that UF has those problems (if so, lemme know so I can toast it).
They may slip – it seems likely. But, then again, I would have never imagined that so many highly-rated players would have flocked to Meyer after his December melt-down. But they did. Seriously? “Come to me, have faith kids, I know I resigned and said that it was not a snap decision but then immediately waffled and changed my mind, but trust me when I say I’ll be back better than ever come fall. After all, I’ve shown such GREAT JUDGMENT over the past few days and weeks.” He’s a freaking Pied Piper. Or Fried Piper, if you ask me.
Well, here’s hoping he fails, epically, in the next year or so.
Let's hope he becomes a CEO and delegates everything and then builds a tower to watch practices from.
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Personally
I’m hoping he starts waxing Tebow’s helmet while whispering, “My pprreciousss.” I think that would be enough to scare away new recruits.
Or maybe he’ll go all wide-eyed, laugh maniacally, grin like the Cheshire Cat and sing, “They’re magically delicious!” whilst dancing a jig every time someone mentions Notre Dame. Actually, just once would work, as long as someone could post it on youtube.
Harvin was hurt in FSU's last game against UF in Tally
and they still kicked our butt. They also, to my utter dismay, went on to beat Alabama the next week in the SEC Championship game without Harvin.
Because Louis Murphy burned Marquis Johnson repeatedly
I was screaming at the TV wanting Bama to bring pressure instead of just playing coverage. And when they finally start bringing more than 4 rushers Johnson was toast. Bama had been trying to hide him (Johnson) for weeks. Saban knew what the hell he was doing
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
murphy is legit
im also a raiders fan – and he had an excellent rookie season
especially considering he had a flock of bums throwing the ball and jeff bowden calling the plays…
I'm also a raiders fan
and I think Murphy is going to be their best draft pick since they picked up asomugha, which isn’t saying much considering the recent draft day mishaps. I hope Davis learned his lesson after drafting Heyward-Bey.
wow - what are the chances?
good to meet you –
and i agree re: dhb – i wish we could trade him and jamarcus for a bucket of chicken
who do you think we should take this year?
Both of you have my sincerest condolences
A friend the other day asked me where I thought McNabb would end up. I said Bus driver. To which he said, probably the Raiders. And then I said at least people respect bus drivers.
With the current trend
I think they take Bruce Campbell in the first and Taylor Mays, if he’s still there, in the second. I’d like to see them take Anthony Davis in the first. Or they could trade down to a later spot and get Trent Williams or a lb, and a pick in a later round that they can use to draft a guy like Sam Young or address some defensive needs.
yeah..i think taking a tackle seems to be the right call
and at least one of them should be there – but i have to admit part of me hopes we take dez bryant..i know we don’t have anyone to throw him the ball, and we just reached for dhb, but i think he’s great and exactly what we wanted when we reached last year
also i can’t fathom the thought of giving up the 39 pick for the 42 yr old mcnabb who has missed 893 games the past three years..
just sickens me to think about it..
I agree they won't see a major drop off [in wins].
But I expect measures of performance for both their offense and defense to go down from the past few years.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
UGA might be better but Tennessee is probably a 4-6 win team.
To say losing Tebow won’t hurt them because Brantley is good is making a talent only argument but ignoring the concept of that offense.
by Bud Elliott on Mar 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
UGA should be a little better....
They are very deep and experianced on the O-line and can run the ball pretty well….still UGA has issues on Defense with personel…….as far as UF…I agree 100% that losing Tebow will hurt them….he was the perfect QB for that system, and where are the tuff yards going to come from now? Outside of us, Ala, and maybe USC, who is gonna challenge them barring an upset?
UF has issues….several in fact….but they still will probally only lose 2 or 3 games this year.
by hardhitter5050 on Mar 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams lose games every year. You don't have to be an underdog to lose a game.
Outside of us, Ala, and maybe USC, who is gonna challenge them barring an upset? Georgia LSU could.
South Carolina's defense
might be better, and supposedly Spurrier has allowed his new Oline coach to bring in new ideas such as having running backs make reads rather than predetermined holes. We all saw that changing the Oline and running back philosophy sometimes takes time though so there is no telling if that will help. Plus I think the inconsistent passing attack was more of a problem for them than their running game anyways. If Garcia and their WRs/TEs play like they did against Clemson last year, they will compete, but if they play like many of their other games last year, they will again lose close games.
I like seeing the nose and end pull off into coverage
QB’s may see that one play then see all of them rush the next. I really like this “multiple” thing Fisher and Stoops have been talking about :)
I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men.
This will definitely take some getting used to
All these years watching FSU football I knew where people were going on defense, now it will take some time learning where people might be going.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
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Why does the nose guard come off the line in the "hook" action?
I’m assuming it’s to play the role of a weakside linebacker and to free up a lane for the blitzing middle linebacker by distracting the right guard.
You're going to have guys running to the area vacated by the blitzers
The Will backer will be covering that area, and the Nose will be covering the area vacated by the Will.
He probably dustracts the center more than the Rg
Who goes first?
The mike or the sam? In our case I’d rather Smith hit the hole and eat the blocker and let Bradham go in for the kill…
"You play to WIN the GAME"
Okay good....Because I would
assume our Mike should try to eat and shed the blocker while the sam should have more speed/agility and thus should be able to match or overmatch the qb…..Wow I’m just getting fired up thinking about “an organized blitz”
"You play to WIN the GAME"
As far as LSU
Fisher picked up his only national championship ring working with Saban at LSU. Had they stayed together I think there would have been more and UF would not have been a problem. Jimbo like any coach needs a solid defense.
LSU was still set up to beat Florida during Markus Russell’s last year. Fisher’s offense was moving the ball all over the field but the game was just a series of unbelievable events, something three LSU fumbles. Russell drove LSU to the five where he fumbled the ball himself. But yeah it sounds like more excuses and in the end you have to mark it down as another failed attempt vs UF.
The FSU offense this year should be able to move the ball quite well against Florida and I think the defense could turn out to be better than many think especially by the end of the season.
Saban can flat out build a program there is no doubt about it. He is ruthless son of gun but he gets the job done. I think Fisher learned a lot from this guy and may in the end turn out to be the “process” number two. I don’t see any weaknesses with Fisher at this point.
Now with head case Meyer I firmly believe that Mullen and to a certain degree Strong were carrying the Meyer bandwagon. Mullen was with Meyer going all the way back at Bowling Green. They went to clinics together developing the vaunted spread attack. It is looking good at Miss State, they came close to actually beating UF with a couple of breaks they just might have. Strong will be hard to replace also.
As we can see Meyer has abandoned his pet offense and is going pro style. He is no guru of a pro style offense like Fisher. Herb is not a magician like some gators think. They have a tremendous talent base (hurts to admit it) but they will be no better than Loeffler the quarterback coach and the new defensive coordinator and I don’t think Austin has ever been a DC, just an assistant.
So we don’t really know what is going to happen at UF. They have a lot of fill in the blanks themselves. An injury to Brantley would be devastating to them. I have heard more than one person say Burton simply cannot throw the ball straight although he is a good runner.
It looks to me there is another team in the SEC that may begin to give UF a run and that is Auburn. They looked pretty good last year and put together quite a coaching staff. If you remember they gave bama a much better game than UF actually did. They beat WVU by a similar score as FSU did also.
I have believed for years as far as LSU the offense could have been better for Fisher if not for Lester. He likes to tamper with it and that is another reason Fisher wanted to leave. He was taking the heat for Lester’s buffoonery. The FSU offense right now is probably as good as anything Fisher and Saban had going. Fisher with a free hand right now is doing a pretty good job building this current offense.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Just for fun
Reading “(Fisher doesn’t want a depth chart released)” made me want to read Saban’s depth chart rant again. Could you post a link?
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