Preview and Game Thread: Wake Forest Demon Deacons vs Florida State Seminoles, 7pm EST
by TrueCubbie on Mar 3, 2010 9:00 AM EST
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Wake Forest Demon Deacons at Florida St. Seminoles, Mar 3, 2010 7:00 PM EST
Despite a missed opportunity against Clemson, the Florida State Seminoles have the best defense in the nation according to Ken Pomeroy. Outstanding defense from the Seminoles is a given. The ability of the Seminoles to capitalize on that defense is the question that Seminoles fans have. Can the Seminoles keep pace with their opponents at a national level? Tonight, the Seminoles will be faced with the challenge of keeping pace with Al-Faroq Aminu and the Wake Forest Demon Deacons. At the time of writing this (Tuesday evening), multiple teams have the potential to earn a bye in the ACC tournament. With a win, Florida State will stay in that conversation.
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Game Time: 7:00pm EST
Opponent's Site: Blogger So Dear
Television: ESPN2
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
Time to step up to the challenge. With their win over Georgia Tech, the Clemson Tigers moved to 9-6 in conference playing, leaving Florida State tied with Virginia Tech and Wake Forest going into Wednesday night's games. Virginia Tech takes on NC State and Florida State takes on...Wake Forest. Florida State needs to win this game in order to have the opportunity to have a bye in the first round of the ACC tournament. Wake Forest fans are hoping to have the same result. However, Florida State has the 'easier' path compared to Wake Forest. The Seminoles end the season with Miami. Wake Forest welcomes Clemson to Winston-Salem.
Entering tonight's game, the Demon Deacons are 18-8, with an 8-6 conference record. Their out of conference schedule included big wins over Gonzaga, Xavier and Richmond. Wake Forests only two out of season losses were to William and Mary, at home, and at Purdue. They currently rank 24th in the nation for defensive efficiency and 87th in the natoni for defensive efficiency. They are the number two team in the nation for eFG% and happen to be one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the country. The Deacs, however, enter the game with a three game losing streak. With the type of season that Wake was putting together, one would think it was to the likes of Maryland, Duke or Clemson.The losses have been at the hands of Virginia Tech, NC State and North Carolina. The last game was particularly troubling to the Deacs as it was at home. UNC played an outstanding game and easily earned the victory.
Unfortunately, I don't have a ton of time to put this preview together. Here are Wake's stats from Ken Pomeroy:
Record vs. D-1: 18-8
Luck: +0.036 National Rank=82 (+0.0 wins)
Raw Tempo: 71.5 poss/40 min National Rank=29
Adj Tempo: 71.1 poss/40 min National Rank=34
Offense Defense
Raw Efficiency : 101.9 (156) 93.8 ( 38)
Adj Efficiency : 107.0 ( 87) 89.5 ( 24)
Effective FG% : 47.9 (207) 42.5 ( 2)
Turnover Pct. : 20.8 (183) 19.7 (220)
Off. Rebound% : 38.2 ( 23) 33.1 (199)
Free Throw Rate: 41.0 ( 94) 38.6 (197)
3-Point FG% : 32.1 (255) 28.8 ( 9)
2-Point FG% : 47.8 (169) 42.1 ( 14)
Free Throw Pct.: 65.5 (271) 69.5 (209)
Block Pct. : 8.3 (110) 13.5 ( 17)
Steal Pct. : 9.4 (149) 10.0 (147)
3PA/FGA : 23.1 (340) 31.9 (151)
A/FGM : 45.6 (323) 47.8 ( 43)
In their last three games, Wake Forest has really struggled as a result of their poor shooting percentage. This plays directly into the hands of Florida State. Clearly, the Noles will need to limit the production of Al-Farouq Aminu (AFA). He is having an outstanding season and this will be an outstanding matchup with Chris Singleton. Ishmael Smith is having a wonderful season for the Deacons, better than I had expected. Chas McFarland is going to give Alabi a run for his money. His is a big, physical player who likes to intimidate his competition. He will try and get Alabi in to early foul trouble.
Fortunately, Wake Forest does not force may turnovers, nor do they shoot well from beyond the arc. They prefer to play an up-tempo style of basketball. All of these elements play into the hands of the Seminoles. However, Florida State is coming off one of their worst shooting performances of the year.
This could be another game in which the first team to 50 wins. Again, apologies for the short preview.
Four Factors:
| Rank and Records | WAKE | FSU | |
|---|---|---|---|
| RPI | #30 | #41 | |
| Strength of Schedule | #34 | #54 | |
| Overall | 18-8 | 20-8 | |
| Conference | 8-6 | 8-6 | |
| Home | 12-2 | 12-3 | |
| Away | 5-6 | 5-5 | |
| Top 25 | 3-3 | 2-2 | |
| RPI Top 50 | 5-4 | 2-3 |
| PPG | FG% | FT% | 3P% | RPG | ORPG | DRPG | APG | TPG | SPG | BPG | FPG | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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WAKE | 74.5 | 44.2 | 65.5 | 32.1 | 42.7 | 14.8 | 27.8 | 12.2 | 15.1 | 7.3 | 5.7 | 20.3 |
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FSU | 70.0 | 45.9 | 64.7 | 33.7 | 38.6 | 12.8 | 25.8 | 14.1 | 16.7 | 8.4 | 6.5 | 17.9 |
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WAKE Opponents | 68.7 | 37.9 | 69.5 | 28.8 | 37.8 | 14.2 | 23.5 | 11.1 | 14.3 | 6.9 | 3.9 | 21.2 |
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FSU Opponents | 60.7 | 36.9 | 66.1 | 32.9 | 33.2 | 12.8 | 20.4 | 9.9 | 16.2 | 8.0 | 2.3 | 18.9 |
| POS | PPG | PPP | FLR% | Eff | eFG% | TS% | FTR | 2P% | FTP% | 3P% | OR% | DR% | A% | A/T | T% | S% | B% | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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WAKE | 1893.0 | 72.8 | 1.02 | 54.9 | 102.3 | 47.9 | 51.3 | 41.0 | 60.0 | 21.9 | 18.1 | 38.6 | 66.2 | 45.6 | 0.81 | 20.7 | 10.0 | 9.2 |
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FSU | 1926.0 | 68.8 | 1.02 | 53.0 | 101.7 | 51.2 | 53.8 | 39.1 | 55.2 | 19.8 | 25.0 | 38.5 | 66.8 | 56.2 | 0.85 | 24.3 | 12.1 | 11.6 |
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WAKE Opponents | 1893.0 | 72.8 | 0.94 | 49.5 | 94.3 | 42.5 | 47.2 | 38.6 | 51.3 | 24.0 | 24.7 | 33.8 | 61.4 | 47.8 | 0.77 | 19.7 | 9.5 | 6.4 |
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FSU Opponents | 1926.0 | 68.8 | 0.88 | 46.4 | 88.3 | 42.9 | 46.5 | 33.0 | 46.7 | 20.3 | 33.0 | 33.2 | 61.5 | 47.3 | 0.61 | 23.5 | 11.7 | 4.2 |
All tables from Statsheet.com
Prediction: Florida State 65 Wake Forest 62
Game Time: 7pm EST
Opponent's Site: Blogger So Dear
Television: ESPN2
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
Random Fact From Seminoles.com
FLORIDA STATE'S DEFENSE IN THE LAST FOUR GAMES
Florida State, who is generally recognized as having the nation's most tenacious defense, has held its last four opponents to an average of 54.3 points per game and a cumulative shooting percentage of .365. The Seminoles have allowed 53 or fewer points in three of their last four games including an average of 26.5 points in the first halves of the last four games. The Seminoles have also forced and average of 16 turnovers. Florida State's dynamic Defensive Duo of Solomon Alabi (11 blocked shots and two steals) and Chris Singleton (five blocked shots and 11 steals) have combined for 16 blocked shots and 13 steals in the four games.
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No bounce back for the noles
I see a hangover from the Clemson game, combined with Wake being embarrased by UNC and the Deacs’ eFG% getting back to their seasonal average.
Wake 66 FSU 59
If it helps, I’ve gotten game predictions wrong all year so here’s hoping I don’t break my streak tonight.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 3, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions
I will be disappointed, but not particularly disappointed.
I tend to believe this will be a tougher game to win than people expect.
Agree, and I'm on the "hope springs eternal" side of things.
I had the same opinion about Clemson; people were assuming a “W,” but knew it would be a dogfight. Biggest concern for this one is whether we can contain Ish Smith or not. Aminu will get his 15/9 or so… it’s if our somewhat slower guards can contain Ish or not that determines whether we win or lose.
That said, there is the ever-present possibility that a generally BAD 3-point shooting team decides to light us up from outside, for no apparent reason other than we’re FSU, and that’s what teams do against us. I nominate Ari Stewart or CJ Harris to be the culprit, if this comes to pass. Both like to chuck it up with fairly streaky results.
Maybe TC should include a poll of nominees at the bottom of each preview, to see if we can come up with predicted winners of the Scott Wood Memorial Blistering 3-Point Barrage Performance of the game?
Yeah...Wake is rarely a cakewalk.
It depends on the manner in which we get beat, if we do, that determines my level of disappointment. For example, if one of WF role players goes for 31 and shoots 74% from 3 pt land, I wont bitch too much
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry dub. Wasz responding to Matt and replicated your point...
The perils of posting from the phone
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't EVER forget that.
I like to be polite, however. It’s good for appearances.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Was that you commenting on how FSU would have to
play the final 4’s without your watching?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Hey man. Welcome back
In case you didn’t know, we just won a big basketball game.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I was there.
It was nice of you to bring Coach Fisher out at half time… and letting the special kids dance was a nice touch.
Being there is no excuse for not commenting...
Yeah, well, as far as Jimbo goes, I’m working on a interuniversital athletic integration project (AKA the IUAI). Where I help teams gather support for one another.
I’ll be having Pat Kennedy speak at halftime of the homecoming game this year, and probably have Coach Martin guest host.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Got an old school phone.
Managed to stay contract-free for 1.5 years now.. is a good feeling. But some of these new toys are close to luring me back in.
By “special kids dancing,” I was not referring to our geriatric and/or alcoholic current/former coaching ranks.
You were very lucky we didn't boo you during the trophy presentation last night
Consider yourself warned, Mr. AD
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 4, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
My entertainment-purposes only internet site that puts out game pointspreads has
the Noles favored by 7. So does phoney-baloney Danny Sheridan at USA Today. That seems to be like a lot of points for the Noles to be favored by against ANY ACC opponent, especially one over .500 in the conference. However, cover or not, this line makes me breathe a little easier about tonight’s game, as the pressure on the line probably overtighten it. Lets also remember Wake’s eFG% on offense is ranked 208 in the country. Our D will shut them down. Thus, I go with:
Noles 65, Wake Forest 55.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
We need to win this game
Where is our homecourt advantage? If we lose, we’ll be 4-4 at home in the ACC.
Of course, it’s possible to go to the dance without it. With a win at Miami and a win or two at the ACC tournament, we’ll probably go despite a Wake loss. But right now, our resume doesn’t have anything particularly impressive on it…
Pomeroy has us at 79%
Is that surprising to anyone else?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions
Pomeroy loves our defense
And Wake just lost consecutive games @VaTech @ NC St and home to Carolina
Plus it’s at home…
We SHOULD win this game.
Very surprising...
it will be very interesting to see which Wake and FSU team shows up tonight. Wake split its series with Miami, UNC, GT, and NC St but then beat Maryland. Look at the results of these games…
UNC
W 82-69
L 68-77
GT
W 75-64
L 58-79
Miami
W 62-53
L 66-67
NCST
W 67-59
L 54-68
Now mind you, the final score is not necessarily indicitive of how the game went as we all know but still. I have zero confidence in this team to win big games so i wouldnt be surprised to see us lose by 7. That line is very strange to me…but as they say Vegas is always right….
edit
“Wake Forests only two out of season losses were to …..”
I think you meant to say “conference.” Nice write up tho!
Gulfport, I'm guessing you're over in Mississipp?
I’ve always liked that area…probably because of my propensity to find ways to get drunk for free and lose all my money
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Gulfport, FL
I’m down in Gulfport, FL….it’s in Pinellas county, about 10 minutes from downtown St. Petersburg. It’s nice, and you can still lose all your money up the road at the Hard Rock Casino if that is your thing.
by Gulfport Nole on Mar 3, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
My bad...Had no idea there was a Gulfport, FL...
I’m up here in PCola, so I assumed you were stuck in MS. That’s what I get for assuming.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
They currently rank 24th in the nation for defensive efficiency and 87th in the natoni for defensive efficiency.
Two errors in that one sentence, unless WFU plays defense at both ends of the court and natoni is Italian for nation…
I assume their defense is 87th and their offense is 24th.
"Trick is right."
Right...
And I think this is where is formula falls short a bit. We won 3 in a row against poo poo competition…got back to reality against Clemson, and dropped the ball.
Both teams appear inconsistent. To me, 79% is really high (Like Pomeroy himself, as MattD is claiming)
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions
on the other hand, at least we won those three games. As the Celtic points out, Wake just
lost to three so-so teams, @VaTech @ NC St and home to Carolina.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Thing is, Wake's 3 best wins are all better than our best win.
They have a little more room for erra.
"Trick is right."
ESPN saying that Clemson is definitely in,
and if GT wins against VT in the finale, they’re in too.
We really need to win these next 2, to erase all doubt.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions
I was thinking last night after watching Clemson-GaTech, that maybe we just ran into the
buzzsaw again with Clemson on Sunday. Not only did they drop 91 on GaTech yesterday (season high, GT has KenPom #20 defense), but the Tigers have won 5 of 6 now, the lone loss being AT Maryland (surely at least the 2nd best team in the conference).
One could make a reasonable argument that this year, the top 3 squads in the conference are Duke, Maryland, and Clemson; then a not-significant drop-off, then a fight for 4th best between FSU, Wake and GaTech, then another drop-off.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
It's hard to call a team a buzzsaw that scores 6 points in the first 16 minutes of the game.
Might Clemson be the 3rd best team in the conference? Sure.
But that in no way excuses what happened Sunday evening.
Yeah...I'd love to be able to justify that performance by that logic, GNO
But I can’t, It was your typical FSU/Leonard Hamilton basketball performance. If some backup 2 guard had gone for 29 points, or had Booker put up a triple/double, then maybe.
IMO, it was nothing more than a wasted opportunity.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely not a buzzsaw.
If you take out the final 4:36 of the 1st half and 1:24 of the 2nd half, they scored 29 points in the 34 remaining minutes of play.
"Trick is right."
I would love to take out the final 1:24 of the second half
Can’t wait to get the next W and put Sunday night’s debacle behind us
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 3, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
well, maybe "buzzsaw" is not the right word, as it possibly connotates an
offensive onslaught. I was just suggesting what Sperrett1 wrote very well about below: Duke, Maryland and Clemson are just the class of the league, and we are fighting for 4th.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
In 34 (of 40) minutes of game play we held Clemson to 29 points.
They are not “the class” of the league. Not even close.
"Trick is right."
Perception of Clemson is skewed by their performance sans Stitt.
I believe they’d be a solid #2 if he hadn’t gone down.
agree
duke, md, CU the class of ACC. Hopefully, we establish ourselves as the clear no 4 tonite. Unfortunately, we don’t match up w/ the top three. All have solid upperclassmen who are their unquestioned go to guys, which we don’t have. All have guys that can hit big 3s and they can force TOs, which are our achilles. I think we beat wake because they don’t have or do these things which makes them a great matchup for us.
Say what you will about us, but, other than NCSt, this team has taken care of teams that we should beat based on matchups. You might put UF in the category of not TCB but it was the first true road game and, I didn’t get to watch, but, apparently, they had by far their best 3 pt shooting night of the yr. Go figure.
Speaking of UF, I watched the 2nd half of them choking away another one of their “really need this one” games last night. The difference in atmosphere between that last week of the season big SEC game and our same situation CU game was alarming. Their arena was packed and loud as compared to our tomb against CU. I’m just basing that on the TV perception but there was a huge difference.
I would hope UF would have a loud and packed arena
1) Unlike FSU, they know how to properly seat students to enhance the crowd participation and noise.
2) They have had 13 straight wining seasons, went to the NCAA tourney from 98-07, won national titles in 06 and 07. We went to the tournament last year. For the first time in 11 years. And lost in round 1. That’s the summit of FSU hoops since 1998. That’s a ho-hum year in Gainesville.
3) Last Sunday’s game would have sucked the life out of just about any home crowd outside of Duke or Kentucky. Horrid, horrid basketball from tip-off to buzzer.
Kentucky's home crowd is much like UNC's.
And UF’s fans/crowd is, from my understanding, no better/worse than ours.
"Trick is right."
im coming into the game positive:
we win by a comfortable 9:
68 – 59
(thinking happy thoughts….)
I actually agree
WF is tall (#9 in effective height (KenPom)), they like to play halfcourt D. They’re a less-talented / less-effective version of us, IMO.
TC, great write-up as usual, but one bone to pick:
Chas McFarland is going to give Alabi a run for his money. His is a big, physical player who likes to intimidate his competition. He will try and get Alabi in to early foul trouble.
You simply cannot laud this moronic sasquatch without lambasting him for the manner in which he is able to “succeed.”
Chas McFarland is a superdoosh. End of story
Freaking hate that guy like I hate Vlade Divac
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
McFarland is a dick.
You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
must be flacid then
he has an ability to flop seen rarely outside of Holywood.
"I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good - certainly not for me who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive." - J R R Tolkein
by Olbrannon on Mar 3, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BTW if you guys have time, the Wake site has some good stuff to say.
Not the most optimistic of fans. Perhaps trick is moonlighting for them (just kidding, trick)
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions
And those guys are slobbing all over Alabi in their coffee talk.
That doesn’t sound like me.
"Trick is right."
Not sure what is more important to you all, but
If we win tonight and VT loses, we lock up 4th place in the ACC. (If VT loses, the odds of them finishing in the RPI top 50 and improving our record vs the RPI top 50 takes a hit.) I think finishing 4th
If VT wins tonight, they improve the chances they finish in the RPI top 50, and therefore our record vs the RPI top 50, but it leaves open the possibility they take the 4th seed in the ACCT if they win their last game and we lose at Miami (assuming we win tonight vs Wake).
So what’s more important to you, finishing top 4 in the ACC or the additional RPI top 50 win (no, these are not mutually exclusive)? If we finish 4th in the ACC with a 9-7 record (beat Wake, lose to Miami, VT loses one of their final 2 games), does that assure us of a bid (4th place ACC finish, 9-7 conference record)? If we lose to Wake but beat Miami, we couldn’t finish any higher than 5th. No matter how the season finishes out, we are assured of at least a 6th place finish.
We can still finish 3rd in the ACC (win out, Clemson loses final game to Wake) if we get to 10-6.
Not sure this is response-worthy. Kind of a bunch of rambling.
"Trick is right."
I was wondering about that. Do we clinch #4 in that scenario tonight?
What about a four way tie at 9-7 (Wake, VaTech, FSU, and clemson)
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
If we win and VT loses, we finish no worse than 4th.
We could do no worse than tie VT and/or WF, and we’d own the tiebreak over both. GT can’t tie us, let alone win a tiebreak. It would be us and Clemson 3/4, depending on what we both do in our final game.
"Trick is right."
Id rather finish 4th.
When was the last time the ACCs 4th place team didnt dance?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we've had better starts
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
S.o.a.b.
I explode spaghetti sauce all over the microwave and when I clean it up and sit down at the tv we’re down 6-0 only 1:45 in?
"Trick is right."
Im running calls tonight (moonlighting gig)
Can you guys post the score every once in a while so I can keep up without having to bounce between sites? Thx
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 7:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We need Dulkys out there..
stretches the defense.. I like Snaer coming off the bench as instant offense
Who started....Snaer or Dulkys?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Snaer has been starting for the last several games..
if I’m not mistaken. I don’t want to be mistaken, I get he’s the future and kid has a world of talent, but as soon as Dulkys wasa heating up again.. we need that deep 3. Dulkys got paltry minutes in the Clemson game
He IS absolutely the future
I think he was ranked the 7th overall recruit this past year
Deep 2 for Ish.
8-4.
Alabi driving the lane without dribbling (8 steps), no travel but a foul called. Makes the 1st. Makes the 2nd.
6-8 15:50
"Trick is right."
What was with that general statement before the game
about Wake’s chances are 80% to make the tournament and ours are 70%
That didn’t seem to be based on anything but a guess.
wake picking up a lot of early fouls
we cant inbound the ball though
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
10-8 wake, 13:49 to go
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Haha, hits the side of the backboard (Stewart of Wake).
Singleton with a midrange jumper. 11-10 FSU.
Ish Smith for 2. 11-12 WFU
"Trick is right."
wait a minute...wake shooting 78%!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
good thing to see early
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
are we in the bonus now?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
found it
http://www.justin.tv/knuckle_dragger95#r=ucx796A~
At least for now…Not an FSU fan streaming it.
Alabi not making the easy ones...
like he was earlier in the year
8 fouls on wake. boy, to have last year's FT shooting squad
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
VaTech 31, NC State 22 half
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
any FSU-related reason?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Not really.
Just hoping an ND win knocks UConn out but isn’t quite enough to put ND in. Just my general disdain for the Big East.
"Trick is right."
I guess in that case a weaker bubble could help our chances if we are on the bubble.
"Trick is right."
thats the angle I was thinking about
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
thx brotha...keep it up
Much apprecuated
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
looks better than singleton from 3?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
You always look better when you make it.
Singleton looks good when he makes his 3’s. I meant more the height comparison.
"Trick is right."
as much as I cant stand Vazquez, I hate Duke more. Go Terps!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I'm thinking UMD
just to make them look better? If we’re going to have 3 losses to those teams, better to have them all be to top 25 RPI teams.
"Trick is right."
And now every Nole to play has scored.
As Kitchen gets a breakaway 2. To go along with his 5(?!) assists.
"Trick is right."
SNAER OUTRUNS EVERRRRRRRYBODY
Loose ball. 3-0 FSU fast break. Snaer dunk city. Started by huge Alabi block.
"Trick is right."
Do we start pitching underhanded?
Jeff Cameron was talking about the “understood rule” that college team does not beat the pro team.
Never heard that before.
The regulars usually only play 3/4 innings and it’s just exhibition for both squads. It’s 5-2 now. Buckley or w/e isn’t doing so hot pitching for us.
"Trick is right."
If anyone bored enough to post a scoring breakdown?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if I knew how to do that, I would. I can tell you that Aminu has ZERO points and Chas
MacFarland has 3 fouls. this is good
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Good. When he fouls out, I hoe
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow...even line. freaking aesom
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't they decide on basketball games to air on tv prior to the start of the season?
"Trick is right."
Right. Right.
They need a flex for sure, for that reason.
Touche.
I mean imagine the casual/non-committal fan tuning in to see either UConn/ND or FSU/Wake, with none of those teams even being ranked, and then seeing a preview of a game between the #2 and #5 teams in the country.
32-29 noles, 1st tv time out of 2nd half. we needed it
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I'll be honest with you. I am lost as to what happened there
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Reid got his revenge..
on senior night! ;)
Thanks for keeping me updated, gents
I’m back in front of the TV. No more gibberish from the AD
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:27 PM EST reply actions
I'm looking at the DVR...I can't see anything.
Only a spot where maybe Derwin mightve slapped his hand, but nothing definite.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
we needed that tv time out too. 1 point game
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I think they are funny. hopefully, old spice doesnt overdo it
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Look at this oyster, wait there are 2 tickets to that thing you like inside....
……the tickets ARE NOW DIAMONDS!!!!!!!!!!
is hitting someone in the face with the ball
A foul?
by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2010 8:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Derwin has a WIDE open shot and passes it up.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:34 PM EST reply actions
I'm talking about if both reached their max,
given their respective skillsets.
Right now I’ll give Alabi the edge, even though I’m not terribly impressed with his all around game.
"Trick is right."
IMHO
Xavir Gibson is better than Alabi
"Its called the Veer"
by EducatedSpear on Mar 3, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Singleton makes me wanna shoot myself in the face sometimes
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:35 PM EST reply actions
Has the game been this physical all night?
Seems like Wake is just mugging us…
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:38 PM EST reply actions
LOL, Singleton dribbling as he falls to the floor and even while he's sitting there on his butt.
That takes some coordination.
"Trick is right."
Nah...Every one of the Globetrotters can do it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
They've got coordination. lol
But little different when you intentionally do it and get knocked over in mid drive and still maintain your dribble.
"Trick is right."
You laughed?
I was under the impression that you didn’t do that.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
"Why do I get that feelin'...if Carolina wins that game...that they go on some kind of run in the tournament"
Moronic quote of the night.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:39 PM EST reply actions
Oh I know what tournament he meant...Do YOU see them "making a run"?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
HUSTLE STEAL SINGLETON!
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Singleton is the Jarmon Fortson of the basketball team
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions
Exactly.
One minute I want to hug Singeton, and the next, I want to punch him square in the balls and call him a bad word. Much like Fortson
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yes...
Woody Harrelson was priceless…but the little whiney kid was annoying. He was like a poor mans version of Michael Cera
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think Michael Cera is annoying in too high of doses.
But a similar persona, look and voice for the kid in it. I enjoyed his narration during the movie. “Rule #17…”
"Trick is right."
cant remember any one liners
but the whole twinke bit was amazing
Aminu 4 fouls, Woods 4, MacFarland 3
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Snaer has been clutch from the line
by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2010 8:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Glad someone has.
Posting from the mobile device, eh? Well played, sir.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Nice shot of Doak there...Gonna be some ASS whippings laid down in that place in 2010!
Anyone else feel very fortunate about that last Aminu call? Singleton was in trouble, it looked like to me.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions
He barely did...
Upon review it was daaaaam close
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
very fortunate. thems the breaks. everyone gets bad calls
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What's disappointing is that arguably their best player has 0 points and we're only up by one
As Singleton misses both….
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:50 PM EST reply actions
afa
Out w/no points and we’re up only one
by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2010 8:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mike McGee starts the inning by walking them loaded.
Sac fly. A 4th walk to reload the bases. 11 with the pitching change.
6-5 FSU, bot 5, 1 out
"Trick is right."
Trick, is there a running box score, or feed or anything?
I’d like to see what’s goin on in that game.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
What am I looking at, trick
P by P blog or somethign?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
how do you not get a foul on the chest rape?
these officials have succumb to the gameplay
Alabi being more aggressive/decisive with the ball tonight.
Not really finishing, though.
"Trick is right."
If Alabi makes these two, it's GO time.
Time to put the foot on their throats…close one out for a change.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions
fsu up 3
4 mins left _ Alabi to line
by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2010 8:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
VaTech 71 NcStaTE 58, under a minute left
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We were needing a Wolfpack in that one, correct?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Keep your hands off my redhead
by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2010 9:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
God Alabi was wide ass open down there
Awful pass by DK
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:01 PM EST reply actions
We are going to hand Wake this game on a silver platter, guys
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:02 PM EST reply actions
"Just threw it blindly..."
No, it slipped out of his hands. Still an awful end result but it wasn’t a conscious decision.
"Trick is right."
trick, this guy writing the blog (Corey Dowler) is kind of an ayhole. I like him.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions
How so?
The guy has been asked 80 times tonight, “Are we using metal or wooden bats?” I feel sorry for him kind of.
"Trick is right."
Yeah...it's funny. He keeps getting asked the same bullcrap over and over
I’d be the same way.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
It's just a stupid question.
Yes, let’s put a lethal weapon in the hands of Howard and Utley. Idiots.
"Trick is right."
That's not my stomach turning due to nerves.
That’s indigestion from the tomato sauce.
"Trick is right."
I thought all your tomato sauce was covering the inside of your microwave?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I cleaned it up.
That’s why I missed the first 6 points of the game (all Wake). 49-41 FSU run while I’ve been “watching”.
"Trick is right."
23 secs laft
FSU up 2 – wake ball – shot clock about the same
by CelticPride on Mar 3, 2010 9:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Defense wins championships
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
We just clinched no worse than 4th place in the ACC?
I almost can’t believe it. Assuming we hit free throws and/or don’t turn it over.
"Trick is right."
Trick, if we eff this up
I blame you.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
they have to be in fullcourt man denial defense
SET A SCREEN!
freshman at the line now. too funny
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Good lord another terrible inbound play
Do we have a an assistant who has ever coach basketball before?
Bout to get blown out by the Phils now.
Pitching completely hit the wall. Can’t find the strike zone.
"Trick is right."
everyone to Orbitz...CHARTER flight to Providence, R.I.
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I've never been on a charter. what do I have to do, put 10% down on my Cap One card?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Yes.
Actually, just send me a couple hundy for the flight. It’s easier that way
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
or I could just buy you a beer when we get there. either way
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Thanks to us? All we did was show up...thanks to YOU guys for the work you put in.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
so does that mean we get a bye for sure?
2010 AD = 1 AB for FSU
Damnit.
Never considered this possibility.
FSU, Clemson and VT all win out…we finish 5th. We play @Miami. Clemson @WF. VT @GT.
"Trick is right."
We're in the best shape IMO
GT at home, possibly playing for their tourney lives…
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
trick, so, after the 3 team tie is broken among FSU, Clemson, and VaTech (to clemson's
favor), it doesnt reduce to the two team tie breaker in fsu vs vatech (which we win)?
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I started looking for that article TC wrote about "if the season ended today, yada yada"
I thought that might explain it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think Trick's original point is right. I googled, and my reading says the tie does NOT
reduce to a 2-team tiebreaker as I thought. The three team tie we are taking about would result in: Clemson 2-1, VaTech 1-1, FSU 1-2. No tie exists to revert to a two team tiebreaker. Thus,
3. Clemson
4. VaTech
5. FSU
at least thats my reading
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and whats worse, I am pretty sure the #5 seed plays at 2pm next thursday AND
friday if they win. man, that would SUCK!
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I thoughts that's what it was...I was pretty sure it didn't revert to a 2 team tiebreak
But didn’t wanna say anything just in case I was wrong…lest I look like a pecker.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
2pm thursday...then friday... would suck ass. suck ass.
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Isn't that kind of the m.o. for conference tourneys?
Basically play a game every 24 hours as long as you keep winning?
"Trick is right."
well, to clairfy, I meant it would suck for viewing purposes. I'd probably
have to dvr the thursday game.
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Why?!?! Why couldn't you watch them both?
Don’t give me the “I gotta go to work excuse”
FSU>WORK
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
you make a strong case. but arrdub here is contradicting
our assumption that we end up with the 5. I hope he is right
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Me too
I could’ve sworn the writeup TC did said otherwise. Maybe I’m thinking of a 4 team tie with the revertion not resolving the tiebreak.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Any of us could check ACC.com and confirm.
But I’m fairly certain I’ve seen it in print. Iterative process, break tie (winner), and proceed until any other ties are broken.
because, of work, of course
by the way, maryland is down now. unbelievable
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I believe it
This Duke team is a bit tougher mentally than those in the past. I like their tourney chances, to be honest
Anyone else think those twirly things that Maryland has behind the opposing glass should be illegal?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Almost absolutely certain that it DOES revert back to remaining pool...
after winner of group is determined. So if Clemson wins the 3-way, we get #4 over VT.
I hope you are right. the way I was reading it, it only reverts to the
2-team IF there is a tie among the 3-team pool.
Although at the beginning of the thread, I was on your point, arrdub
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
This, to me, says otherwise.
If three or more teams are tied in the standings, the following procedures will be used:
a. The combined record of conference games between the tied teams involved will be compiled. Ties will be broken, and seedings assigned, based on the winning percentage of the combined conference records. The higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group is unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1; 1-0 is the same as 2-0; 2-0 is the same as 4-0; 2-1 is the same as 4-2; 1-0 is better than 1-1; 0-1 is the same as 0-2; 0-2 is the same as 0-4).
The winning percentages, as GNO pointed out, would all be different. The ties would be gone. Seedings for 3-5 would be set.
"Trick is right."
If VT and FSU had the same record amongst the 2 other teams in the 3-way tie,
THEN it would revert to head to head.
"Trick is right."
I am still leaning towards that reading.
although, as someone pointed out much early, we are in better shape for the final game that either of the other teams in question.
further, what are the chances all three road teams win or lose anyway?
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I think they chances are pretty good!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
all 3 win? I'll take that bet.
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I say no. I say odds are, at least one of the road
teams lose. And we got the weakest opponent, of course.
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If the game vs Miami was this past weekend, I would've gone.
I was already down in Miami AND on the campus.
"Trick is right."
been on that campus for Noles vs Canes
baseball games twice in the past. I was more impressed with the cars than the campus!
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I was surprised how unimpressive the campus was.
Surrounded by a beautiful neighborhood, but the campus just doesn’t have much appeal. Not saying it’s ugly, but it’s just…nice/average.
It felt a lot more like Rollins College than a major university. They had a few hotties on campus (all looked and dressed exactly the same), but it was a Friday and it was chilly so hardly anyone was around.
"Trick is right."
I agree on the campus. average.
My family takes a vacation to Sanibel Island, FL every April. Twice, its landed on a week where FSU was at Miami, so me and my dad drove down there.
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Heh, that's where I live (Ft. Myers, not Sanibel).
Just not driving back down there a 2nd time in 3 weeks when I’m a po’ a** (inbetween) college kid.
"Trick is right."
nice. I like ft. myers, and I like our
Sanibel vacation. Nice and quiet. A lot of grilling out. A lot of playing with my nephews. I also like putting a beach chair in the beach where my feet are in the water and just fall asleep with a cooler of beer by the chair
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interesting question! you know, I'd say
VaTech is most likely to lose, and that is without looking at KenPom. What say you?
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Miami's most likely to lose.
Miami
beat Wake, VT, GT, UVA
lost to BC, Duke, NC State
Wake Forest
beat NC State, Maryland, UVA, Miami, BC, GT
lost to UNC
Georgia Tech
beat Duke, Clemson, Wake, NC State, UNC, BC
lost to FSU
"Trick is right."
Of course they are! They play us!
Dammit Trick, I expected more from you…I thought we talking about b/w Wake and GT!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I made that assumption too, but I like
trick’s confidence in not overlooking the obvious.
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your saying it reverts to a 2-team after clemson takes the #3 seed?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Where do we stand on this?!?!!
haven’t one of you lazy asses looked it up yet!?! I’m the damn AD, I can’t be bothered with minor stuff like this!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
thing is, I think we all HAVE looked it up, and we still cant
agree. I’ll go on record sticking with the “#5 Theory.”
anyone want to talk about what happens if we have 4 9-7 teams? Yikes.
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terps rush the court.
looks like we are #5 again there
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What a bunch of hooligans...
Seriously. Act like you’ve been there before. Maryland is a bunch of classless weiners.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
so in reality, it is likely that those students
HAVENT been there before.
In any case, the “rushing the court” is getting old.
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Which they have. When was their title 2002?
Couldn’t agree more. Esp when they are ranked currently.
You're saying they shouldn't rush the court?
or that it’s OK?
Personally, I think it’s a little tired. If FSU beat Duke, I’d be more proud of our kids if they stayed in their seats
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Good to know the AD is behind me.
Now, please hire me for a position that I am not qualified for but I will enjoy thoroughly! And I thank you.
You got it.
How about “Clint Purvis’ personal trainer”
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Here is the full clause.
If three or more teams are tied in the standings, the following procedures will be used:
a. The combined record of conference games between the tied teams involved will be compiled. Ties will be broken, and seedings assigned, based on the winning percentage of the combined conference records. The higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group is unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1; 1-0 is the same as 2-0; 2-0 is the same as 4-0; 2-1 is the same as 4-2; 1-0 is better than 1-1; 0-1 is the same as 0-2; 0-2 is the same as 0-4).
b. If procedure (a) fails to break the tie, then each tied team’s record shall be compared to the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings, continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage by a higher winning percentage.
c. If the tie is broken by (a) or (b) regarding one of more teams, but three or more teams remain tied, then procedures (a) and (b) will be reapplied among those tied teams only.
d. If two teams remain tied, procedures (1) and (2) will be followed.
After a second reading, I think I was interpreting © to say it re-set after one team was pulled.. but seeing that says “three or more teams remain,” I now reverse my opinion to agree that we’re screwed. Bad rule, IMHO.
my final comment of the night...
remember, we are up first of the 3 games in question (noon saturday), so lets bury Miami in the cellar, and then just hope GaTech beats VaTech at 4pm that day.
Then were got our bye.
Bye.
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If Duke is #1 seed, which they apparently still are,
…then I’d prefer Clemson lose to WF, and we take the third slot. I want to beat down Vasquez in the 2-3 matchup in the 2nd round of the ACCT. That will make a successful season.
As in, I would prefer to say, "The third place ACC team" over "fourth place".
Don’t care about tournament matchups.
"Trick is right."
Again, want to beat down Vasquez.
Ultimately, we’re not playing for a national championship. But we are going to make the NCAA’s, so I am looking for some other nice bells and whistles for the season.
I understand your concern about the NCAAs relative to our ACC seeding, but I think our run there will be dictated by the matchup as much as it will be about the “quality” of the opponent.
Nope, not concerned about our NCAAT seeding due to our ACC seeding.
I want to say 3rd in the ACC. Period. The difference 3rd or 4th (or even 5th or 6th) would make is minimal, imo.
I want to say we went 10-6 in 2008-09 and finished 4th, ACCT Runner-Ups.
I want to say we went 10-6 in 2009-10 and finished 3rd, ACCT results tbd.
"Trick is right."
Yes...Clemson>VT IMO
It’ll be harder for Wake to get the win than GT.
Although, Bilas just said that he’s on board with 7 ACC teams getting bids
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:18 PM EST reply actions
If they lose to Auburn tonight (currently losing)
they should be done. Ole Miss shouldn’t be in consideration, either.
"Trick is right."
But at least Ole Miss has one quality ooc win (K State).
Miss State has none. Neither has beaten UT, Vandy or UK in conference play.
"Trick is right."
Clemson has had a tough time on the road in conference this year, although they beat us.
Also, to Bilas’ point, Lunardi said early today that since they started doing the Bubble Watch, they have never removed a team from “Lock” status, and they may with Wake this year.
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check that, what I meant to say is that ESPN has never put a team in Lock status who
did not eventually make the Dance.
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Ahhhh...that makes sense
I’m guessing they made Wake a “lock”?
Any of you guys watching this Dook/Maryland game?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Wake has been a lock for some time now, and I dont want to sound like a smarty
pants, but I thought it was too early when they did so
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Yeah...
The thing is though, that with this year in the ACC…ANYONE can go on a 5 game losing streak (except for Duke/Maryland)
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think they probably still sneak in as a 12 seed
even if they lose their final regular season game and lose the opening round of the ACCT. Still would have top 50 RPI and SOS. Would still have 4 or 5 wins against NCAAT teams (3 of them ooc).
"Trick is right."
you talkin' Wake losing their last game then their first ACCT game? man, THAT
would give the tourney one HELL of a decision
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
No kidding.
That’s a tough, tough way to go out….
But hell, lose that many games in a row, and it almost doesn’t matter WHAT you did back in january.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I was talking about.
They have more better ooc wins (yes, more and better) than many of the other bubble teams. All subject to conference tourneys, so I guess they aren’t a lock, atm, even though they certainly have a good shot at making it.
"Trick is right."
Haha, that makes much more sense.
When you beat Gonzaga (in Spokane), Xavier and Richmond, you’re in. Wins over Maryland and Georgia Tech help, too. Not to mention their computer numbers are pretty solid.
"Trick is right."
Meh...I think if they lose out, it's still questionable.
Xavier impresses me. Gonzaga isn’t the Gonzaga we’re used to seeing, and Richmond is a solid mid major that has dropped some winnable games themselves.
Bad losses, though. William and Mary, Miami, UNC, NC State….
If they lose to Clemson, I think they’ll have to win a couple in the ACCT
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Richmond certainly isn't a worldbeater,
but they actually won at Florida. Beat Missouri. Beat Temple (who beat Nova and other bubbles Siena and VT, also Xavier, Dayton, URI). Beat fellow “bubble” Miss State. Beaten other top 50 RPI teams in ODU and URI. (The A 10 will get 4 teams in, imo. The question is if a 5th sneaks in.)
If Wake loses to Clemson but wins they’re first ACCT game, they’re in. Some of the resumes of these bubble teams are so weak this year that even an 0-6 streak and 1-7 to finish the season won’t keep them out; not with their wins. I’m 99% certain.
"Trick is right."
Right.
But if they lose out, and drop their first ACCT…THEN what do you think?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
As of right now I still think their resume would be better than many bubble teams.
So as of right now I’d say they’d still squeak in. I think I said they are still a lock if they go 0-2 to finish the season. I’ll take that back. Definitely aren’t a lock. Should still get in though.
"Trick is right."
I agree.
But it wouldn’t surprise me to see the TC only send 6…weirdos
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
If GT and WF lose their final regular season game,
do you invite both, invite one, invite none?
GT would be 7-9.
WF would be 8-8 (and finish 0-5)
"Trick is right."
I am in the camp that says you do not invite a team that is
sub .500 in their conference. GTech is out in that case. Wake would be on very shaky ground, and if I could find a small conference school to take over them, I would.
Wake would have to win their first ACCT game.
Vazquez just hit a runner to take the lead. 67-65 maryland
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I generally tend to agree with not inviting sub .500'ers, but, in a year like this
I’ll make an exception.
Also, RpiForecast seems to agree with me on the 99% lock status. They put us at 99.26% in and that was prior to our win over Wake.
"Trick is right."
Can't judge Clemson by the earlier season's results..
Stitt was a huge loss, and screwed up their record.
Also, don't forget
If crap teams in other conferences win their tourney and get that automatic bid – that takes away from the ACC getting their 7th team in, the Big East getting their 9th team in, the Big 12 getting their 7th team…… etc. So Bilas and those guys can get all cutesy with the number of teams each conference gets in, but that really can change a ton once the championship tournaments are decided. For example, say Portland wins the WCC championship, that’s 2 bids from that conference since the Zags are obviously in (maybe 3 because of St. Marys, but that’s not the point).
Hopefully I am not sounding like I’m trying to “learn” you, since I’m sure you already know all of this….. I just wanted to bring it up , that’s all.
Right. For example, if anyone who isn't Cal wins the PAC10, that's one less.
Any other conferences that are subjective to a team that doesn’t have an at large wrapped up winning?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Thats a perfect example.
Cornell in the Ivy? Or do they not have a championship tourney.
Yup. All great examples.
What’s funny is my girlfriend is asking why I am still posting. “Isn’t the game over?” “What are you guys talking about, post game analysis?” Damn broads.
Arizona State probably shouldn't,
but it wouldn’t surprise me if they were in. Especially if they win their final 2 regular season games to get to 12-6 in conference.
"Trick is right."
Looking at Wake's complete body of work
I’m not impressed. If they drop their last one, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them left out.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:36 PM EST reply actions
BRING ME THE HEAD OF GRIEVIS VAZQUEZ!!!!!!
The dance can wait…we have ACC bidness to take care of first….just left the CC and Andrews is packed…this is a very different town when the legislature is in session…lol…where are these women the rest of the year?!?
they aint in Cleveland, thats for damn sure
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
they must be special “legislative assistants” …I’m sure they think Tally is Hooterville…wait a minute…Tallahassee IS Hooterville when they are in town.
GoNolz…the Dr Spetman says you’re sponsoring a charter? Save me a seat please…
I mean, with this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_utterance
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
as in:
“Look out! We’re going to crash!”
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
You got it buddy, he's also buying us drinks en route...
What a nice guy.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know if you could see it on TV but
Solomon Alabi’s incredible shrinking hands got even smaller since Sunday…he looks like that guy on the BK commercial now.
Alabi’s line tonight…0 rebounds, 0 assists, 4 TOs, 2-8 from the field…thank God he was 6-8 from the charity stripe…just sayin’…his mere presence alters shots but I want to see more X in the few games.
As much presence as he has in the paint on defense,
is the opposite of what he has on offense.
"Trick is right."
Just got back from the game
WOW talk about on edge. The lower areas were filled out nicely, had a good crowd and a loud one in the end.
One thing I haven’t seen discussed here – at half time Jimbo Fisher + Family got a really warm reception. Gator bowl trophy presented (or something like that). Guy 2 rows in front of me started yelling something about NC championship trophies instead…. boy tough expectations! :)
He also got to talk a little, was very humble, still settling in and generous treatment of family. The best part for me was when he emphasized everyone working hard to “get a product you’ll be proud of this fall”.
Also, he talked about spring practice starting and building up to the spring game. Tried to drum up a lot of support for the spring game telling everyone to come on out. Had good crowd response.
Yup... and the crowd gave him a warm welcome.
Had to smile and wave a while before he could get in a couple words.
Seeing him talk in person, he reminded me of some actor, but I can’t put a finger on who… I have to think about this….
Thanks for the info, man
Always good to hear from you guys who went!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 3, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Wake beating Clemson becoming more important.
UMd up 5, and I don’t want to face Duke in round 2 of ACCT (if 4-seed vs. 2-seed). I want Vasquez, and the crowd that hates Vasquez, behind us.
Good night RPI-wise.
Beneficial:
Auburn beats Mississippi State (and bursts their bubble)
Alabama wins on the road at South Carolina
Jacksonville beats North Florida
Iona wins at St. Peter’s
Texas A&M – Corpus Christi wins at Lamar
Pretty sure Maryland beating Duke helps our RPI a tad since we faced Maryland twice and Duke only once.
Meh…
Georgia State lost at Hofstra
Florida International lost to Western Kentucky
"Trick is right."
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