Is the Dominance Over for Florida Football?
Is the dominance over? I don’t have an answer yet, but it’s a question well worth asking. There is a lot of change surrounding the University of Florida’s football program at the moment. None of those changes by themselves are earth shattering, but there seems to be a lot happening at once. Florida may come out smelling like roses, however, for UF fans there is enough uncertainty to make one pause.
I'm saying the Gators are going to simply disappear from the ranks of the top 25. What I am saying it that they have enjoyed an impressive run of dominance over the past several years, and it’s at least possible that run is coming to an end.
After the jump we discuss the factors that got them there, how those factors are being threatened, and why this is a critical time for Urban Meyer and the University of Florida…
Why so Good?
Before we begin to explore the factors that currently threaten the dominance of Florida’s program, it is necessary to take a look at what got them there in the first place.
Right Place Right Time: Easy there! No way am I saying that Urban and the Gators success is a fluke. Urban is the real deal with recruiting, what was a fairly unique scheme, and the know-how to build infrastructure. What I am saying is that the LEVEL of his success was without a doubt aided by being in the right place at the right time.
First, he’s in Florida. One can argue the veracity of Florida’s High School Football talent pool compared to a few other states, but a good long look at the results from College to NFL, combined with per capita statistics say that the argument will ultimately be lost. There is no better place to call home when it comes to talent bases and recruiting.
Second, He caught the Big 3 just right. FSU was in the middle of a steady decline when Urban arrived. And Miami was shortly to follow. That combined with a hungry UF fan base and football team created a vacuum for recruiting and coaching that sucked the players right in. Not only did these declines effect recruiting it showed up in wins and losses. UF beat the dog snot out of FSU for the past 6 years. And while it doesn’t play Miami as frequently it certainly won the PR battle by hitting the gas pedal just as UM hit the brakes.
Third, He had a fairly fresh scheme. Meyer’s scheme along with a few other coaches at the time caught much of college football off guard – especially the man-heavy South. Defensive coaches have been cramming ever since, in an effort to muzzle the loudness that is spread offense scoring. Call it a gimmick offense, but it is the simplest form of match up exploitation, or better yet creating matchups TO exploit. While I think that an unbalanced use of these offenses will eventually get some coaches in trouble (ahhmm… Rich Rodriguez) at the time they wowed fans and bewildered coaches.
What a man-child: Tim Tebow has been called many things since his arrival at Florida, some good and others not so good. I find that my comments mostly fit in the "not so good" category. Whatever you choose to call him one thing is for sure. At the collegiate level he was a match-up nightmare.
Tebow’s strange combination of athletic ability will probably let him down at the next level. (It’s a very odd combination of skills that ultimately places him in NFL no-mans-land) In Urban’s scheme, however, was a match made in heaven. Pun intended. Having to cover a QB who could plow through college defenses to the tune of 5 yards a pop, and emerge from the pile virtually unscathed was a major problem for opponents. Tim’s passing is questionable when picking receivers, but this scheme called for very little of that. Most of the passes where set up by spread running looks, so that formations and the threat of multiple runs and screens set up easy pass and throw combinations and a lot of one-on-one throws that are super simple to read. Bottom line Tebow’s size speed and arm matched with Urban Meyer’s scheme to give defenses fits.
Defensive Assistance: Coordinator Charlie Strong proved to be one of the games better Defensive signal-callers. Florida’s spread attack offense, and having the run of the state in recruiting gave the Gator’s an almost unbeatable combination. It’s short and sweet but it is a major factor in the Florida run of dominance. Charlie…good. Talent…good. Result…..Good!
No front-runners abound: Yes the SEC has been the hands down favorite in college football over the past decade or so. Yes Ohio State was very much up for the first decade of the 2000’s, and yes Pete Carol proved to be a phenomenal college recruiter/coach. The truth is that there were no other truly good front runners to contend with the Gators. USC had a penchant for losing an easy W somewhere along the line in the Pac-10. Ohio State couldn’t win the big one. And, no other team in the SEC could wear UF’s jock strap. Urban is the consummate front runner. He puts his foot on your neck and then squeezes. He doesn’t even lose sleep afterward. You get in his way and get leveled. This attitude seemed to permeate the entire Florida team including Tebow who was often to be found taunting fans of opposing teams and giving completely jacked up pep talks. They were the front runners in CFB when none of the more likely candidates had the gall. No, they didn’t have the perfect season, but that’s rare. Bottom line: When the chips are down, don’t bet against the Gators.
The Enemy of Consistency: Change!
The thing that kills consistent high-level success more often than anything is change. Change isn’t always bad, but when you’re the one on top it’s an unavoidable annoyance. Just ask Bobby Bowden. The only constant in life is that things never stay the same. They key to staying on top is to constantly evolve. Even though you are the best you have to keep getting better, make adjustments, etc. (side note: This is the kind of thing I love about what Jimbo Fisher is saying these days more than anything else. He understands that keeping up, evolving etc is a must.)
The biggest battle is convincing yourself you need to change when you are already the best. The second biggest is making sure that nothing is sacred. In other words any area from X’s and O’s to structure and down the line is on the table for possible adjustments. Nothing is ever completely off limits to the critical eye. Ironically, I think Meyer is actually doing well in these two areas. But there is another area – Change that occurs beyond your control. Usually if one takes these changes in stride they are not extremely difficult to over come. Occasionally, though a real poop storm hovers over your head. Enter official UF category 4.
Urban Meyer’s Health: I’m less worried about his health, at least as it concerns football. I’m more interested to see what his involvement looks like after this year’s turn of events. I fully expect Urban to coach, but how much time will he put in? And, what effect will that have on the team/staff? Will he rely more on assistants to recruit? Will he rely more on assistants to scheme? There are a lot of potential trickle down affects related to Urban Meyer’s health. Who he is and what he did in every facet of the team made the players and the coaches who they were the past several years. What impact will even seemingly meaningless changes have on those players and coaches.
Coaching /Player Changes: There is a real potential leadership vacuum at Florida. Tebow’s gone, a lot of other players are gone and a handful of new coaches arrive as well. These changes combined with possible adjustments in how Urban coaches the team have the potential to be huge! Again, they easily weather the poop storm with a couple good umbrella’s, but nothing is automatic. With coaches AND players changing one would this might need to be one of his harder coaching years since arriving at Florida.
Scheme Changes: Admittedly, I haven’t studied up on UF’s new DC. However, one would think there will certainly be some changes on Defense. To boot, Florida is supposed to rock a new pro-style scheme under Addazio. We didn’t see it last year. It could be that Tebow couldn’t flourish under it. Also, it’s possible Urban kept intervening. In any case it was not the Florida offense of old. If that trend continues things might get more murky. Personally Brantley’s potential scares me, but they still have to put it all together. By the by, Johnnie Brantley has very little game reps.
A New Sheriff(s) in town: While there seemed to be a lack of front runners in the recent past. That is no longer the case. In the SEC there is a new front runner and his name is Nick Saban. Like or dislike, there is no arguing that Saban has the gall to lead the pack. While he is in a different division of the SEC, there is no doubt that Saban will be a regular obstacle for UF to SEC and national Titles.
As far as the Big 3 is concerned Jimbo Fisher is on the move. He looks to reclaim second place in recruiting and put the Big back in the Big 3. Admittedly, Fisher seems to be focused on taking out Miami first. Keep this in mind though. Every step closer to winning the ACC and getting back in the top 10 makes life that much harder for Urban Meyer. No longer will he seemingly have free reign in the state. He and his staff will have to keep up the tireless work on recruiting and developing players, possibly even take it up a notch if FSU starts winning.
The potential problem for UF is that FSU is out of conference. They have been virtually unchallenged by them up till now. If Alabama is the new big brother in the SEC, and FSU even finds a way to win half the time, no way can UF dominate the way it has in the past.
Summary: Any one of the above changes is not overwhelming, but I believe together they have big implications. They CAN be overcome. And Urban is a good one to do it, but as far as overcoming outside change, the ride is just getting started for the Gators. Florida is on the clock and I will be watching with anticipation to see how well they handle the pressure over the next few years.
More importantly what do you think?
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Awesome article!
I think a major factor in UF’s rise was the complete lack of competition in Florida for recruits. I think that’s now over. They’ll still be good but it won’t be a free ride anymore which is great.
Great article and I hate to be nitpicky
but I will anyway (although I mean no disrespect). “USC had a pension for losing an easy W somewhere”- should be “penchant” .
Nice article...
I agree with a lot of what you have said, specifically that UF faces some significant challenges ahead with the loss of some key players, and some (probably) important coaches, and they face a challenging conference schedule.
Despite these adversities, the talent pool they have in players is very deep right now, so it will likely be a while before we see major cracks in the armor. By major cracks in the armor, I’m not talking about a 3 loss season— something worse than that. Also, based on last season’s results, the recent recruiting results, and recent coaching changes, perhaps the SEC East will not be quite as strong as the West in the next few years— something that favors UF. Lastly, recall that the two most recent CFB dynasties (USC and FSU) were both disrupted in a year that they started a freshman QB.
As much as it pains me, I think we’ve got a few more years, at least, of these guys being at or near the top.
Regardless, I know I’m not the only one hoping that we’ll see something great in Christian Ponder’s last game at FSU.
I don't expect less than 3-4 losses for UF and a regular basis EVER.
While talent is still a sizable gap. Coaching and returning starters MIGHT make up the difference.
Yeah, right!
I feel
This is THE year to beat UF. Adjusting to a new DC and QB while replacing a lot of NFL talent. They should be fairly solid by the last game, but this is the best year FSU will have for a while.
I, for one, am anticipating a game that cements Ponder’s trip to New York.
A Texan humbles himself before God; there the list ends. - Gen. S. Houston
I don't think its THE year. We will feild better and better teams in the future.
But with all the change it could be as good as any. only time will tell. We have a couple of question marks ourselves.
Yeah, right!
I don't believe they were "dominant" to begin with.
Sure they’ve finished top 15 for the past 5 years or so with 2 titles and 3 top 5 finishes. But LSU, USC, and Nick Saban have had 2 titles over the last decade as well. Ohio State, Texas, USC, LSU, (now Alabama), Oklahoma, Nebraska, Penn State, Boise, Virginia Tech all consistently finish top 20 as well.
From an FSU standpoint, they may have seemed dominant, but Bowden is gone. If the question is whether they will remain dominant over FSU, the answer is no. Some believe money will cement UF’s dominance over FSU, but I disagree because performance is based upon coaching, recruiting, and scheduling. As far as coaching goes, we are equal or better now. We’ve shown that FSU can get top recruits even during Bowden’s down years and even coming off a series of 7-6 records in 3 of the past 4 years. Imagine how that will only improve with the new staff and some positive results in the W-L column. It appears that our new coaches are now getting players that can stick around to be developed and no one has made any argument that Fisher, Trickett, Viloria, Stoops, Hudson, & co. have shortcomings in the development department. Fisher has also said that he will be scheduling more like UF and Alabama rather than trying to get top 5 SOS. That might take a year or two, but its being addressed.
UF is in for a “down” year, but that might mean that they simply lose 3 games. They have loaded up with top prospects. Whether those guys get homesick, injured, arrested, or failing grades is yet to be seen. UF knows how to bring in solid coaches. That’s why so many coaches left in the first place—because they were good. Tebow is gone, but they reload with Brantley and change the offense to accomodate a pocket passer. That so many of their guys left for the NFL when they are bringing in new coaches is actually good in a way because they have fewer old dogs to teach new tricks to.
The biggest question for UF is how long Meyer will stick around if he is consistenly having trouble with Saban and FSU. Will he cry and look for a west coast job where the competition is limited to Kifflin & USC? If he does, what will his replacement look like?
Meyer is a good coach, UF gets top recruits (and will continue to get them), and they schedule as many patsies as possible. But USC, Texas, Ohio State, and the other schools previously listed also tend to have good coaches who can put good teams on the field.
I think UF will continue to consistenly put top 15 teams on the field along with several other “football” schools. I think FSU will return to those ranks under Jimbo and company. We might as well call the Big 3: “UF, FSU, and Alabama” from now on because they’ll all be in the hunt, with none of them being necessarily dominant.
If dominance = dynasty, I just don’t think a 4 year run with three top 5 finishes constitues a dynasty. So I don’t think UF was ever dominant in the first place. I don not expect them to finish in the top 5 in 2010 or 2011. They should still be in the top 15, but big whoop. FSU, Va Tech, Boise, and several other schools will be right there with them. Show me results over a decade, compare to other teams, then talk about dominance. I don’t know that Meyer stays that long.
By the amount of revenue UF receives, they are well aware that investing in quality coaches is a smart decision. Notre Dame, Alabama, and some other schools have also tried to spend the $$$ to get good coaches and were unsuccessful. Money is a factor, but selecting the right peolpe is more important and not always the easiest decision to make. As I said, a couple of the big questions for UF are how long Meyer will stay and what his replacement looks like when he leaves.
Bottom line is that I think UF stays in the hunt but I do not belive they are dominant. If they are, I do not believe they will continue to be. I also believe FSU joins the list of top 15 or so schools who are consistently in the hunt.
Actually only USC won 2 times this decade and by today's standard that is dominance.
*meant to pin the below here.
Yeah, right!
Only one disagreement
Dynsaty = sustained dominance over a long period of time. A team can be dominant in only one year. IMO FU had a four year stretch where they were better than almost every program in the nation.
by Jamil Dawson on Mar 4, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Seems to depend on how you define "dominant"
In the past 4 years, UF has won more games and has a higher winning percentange than any school (other than Boise i.e. better than every BCS school). They’ve won two national championships and averaged 12 wins over 4 years. All while playing in the conference that has produced all of the national champions during this 4 year span.
As for what they’ve done to us, FSU, they’ve won the past 3 games against us by an average of 30 points.
For me, that fits my definition of dominance. 4 years is long enough for me.
Tenn exposed UF's systemic flaws, despite UF's athletes.
Kiffin/Ogeron found that by simply attacking the empty space on the back side of the pay, they could disrupt the misdirection offense and make it more 1-dimensional and predictable. UF out-athleted Tenn. But not Bama, and result seemed inevitable even before kick-off.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 8, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Actually only USC won 2 times this decade and by today's standard that is dominance.
perhaps I shouldn’t have dismissed USC. My measuring stick was the last 5 years. Decade long dominance is most likely over in CFB from here out.
But you’re right in that “dominance” is a bit strong a word.
Finally, I also think revenue is slightly less important than others do.
Yeah, right!
Money & Dominance
Some believe money is the number 1 factor for success. I do not. Money is a significant factor but not the deciding factor.
Games are won with coaches and players on the field. Coaches are the biggest factor because they have a direct impact on scheming/game-planning, recruitment, and development. Players are the second most important factor because they bring raw talent, skills, intelligence to learn and implement, and need to conduct themselves properly with on-field discipline, academics, and off-the-field integrity. Coaches can maximize the performance of lesser-gifted athletes through coaching and development. But if the coaching is equal, then it boils down to the raw talent of the players being coached and the players’ ability to develop and implement. Finally, scheduling is important to success because you not only have to be concerned with what your team is doing but also who you are playing against. Scheduling also allows recovery/healing and preparation time for big games as well as PT/development time for younger players.
Money is a factor because it allows a school to get and retain good coaches and contributes to development by providing for staff and facilities. Flashing gobs of money also helps with recruiting. We now have good coaches who have been able to develop talent at schools that do not have gobs of cash to throw around. Despite our recent down years, we have still been landing top 10 recruiting classes. Playing in the ACC vs. the SEC also gives FSU an advantage over UF. Scheduling is the last piece of the puzzle and Jimbo is working on it.
With the recruiting class UF just landed (perhaps the best of all time) and their recruiting over the past couple of years backing up Brantley, they should be in the hunt for the next several years. While I don’t think they’ll finish in the top 5 every year, I would expect them to stay in the top 15. But I also expect Alabama and FSU to be there as well. FSU has a good chance at making it to the ACC title game this year, and that should get us a top 15 ranking.
Regarding USC / LSU titles, they sort of split in 2003. Here’s the link showing the college football national champions.
I agree I think we view money wrong sometimes. It's a base factor, not THE deciding factor...
i.e. There is probably a minimum needed to compete at the top 5 or 10 level.
Also, as in business, having significantly more money than your competition can make it easier to be successful, but doesn’t garuntee success.
If you spend 1,000,000 on an add campaign that fails to hit your target audience on any level and I spend 500,000 on a well planned and executed campaign I will be more successful than you, etc.
Yeah, right!
I think a big key to this discussion is what constitutes success
If we’re talking about a shorter period of time, say a few years, then results are very much linked to the specific coaches involved. Cincinatti is a perfect example— top 5 in win pct over the past 3 years, but what happened to them— their coaches were raided by wealthier programs. Let’s see what the next three years brings.
For sustained success, long term— say greater than 20 years, I’d bet there is a pretty good correlation with financial resources. The fact that there are some outliers doesn’t disprove the correlation.
Some folks have tried to address this with previous posts, but the debate continues likely due to a lack of data. Does anyone out there have football program expenditures for the past 50 years? If so, we can do a pretty detailed statistical analysis to see if money spent correlates with wins.
We have enough money to compete in any sport we decide to.
Money isn’t and wasn’t the problem at FSU.
I tend to think you are right as regards, "wasn't a problem" but we are a bit behind now.
a few more wins/conference titles and I believe we will have enough money to stay close to the top.
Yeah, right!
I did not refute the corellation. Money makes the world go round....
Proponents seem to think having the “most” money or top 5 cash is NECCESSARY for sustained success. I do not.
Any business has peramiters which can be tracked and then formulated to show you need X amount of dollars to be successful as a minimum, and Y if you want to be amongst the big boys. Then there is Z the super heavy weight cash cows.
I’m saying it IS important, but you don’t have to have the MOST money, just ENOUGH money.
What is that amount… heck if I know. like you said more data.
Yeah, right!
Agreed
We have enough money to be in the game. We’ll have more as we get our act together. I know that’s how people in the administration feel at least.
No doubt .. if it was "all a out money"
Texas A&M would be a power and they haven’t been relevent in 20 yrs
by Cigar City Nole on Mar 5, 2010 9:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed! We're in the "dry season" for college football. Time for in-depth analysis!
Good work truecolors. We’ll forgive the grammah cuz the readin is fine!
Spot on.
While I don’t see UF declining as dramatically as FSU did (due to our supernaturally stupid administration and a significant portion of the fanbase), I do see them becoming a 2-3 loss team and staying there. Good luck to the gators or anyone firing a HC and finding a better replacement in those circumstances.
As to the need to evolve when you’re on top to contend with inevitable change, can I beat this dead horse one more time, and say I was apoplectic about our inability to do that by the late 90’s? Evolving the organization takes intelligence and insight and forward thinking. It was obvious we didn’t have it. Pity those fans who suffered through the inevitable decline of the last decade, who saw this avoidable trainwreck in slow motion but couldn’t stop it.
I think we have the brains on staff to look ahead now… if we can keep them here for a while.
My values: I love my wife, admire my dog, and believe very deeply that Bobby Bowden and Paula Dean were separated at birth.
The writing was on the wall in the '99 game.
Vick made a mockery of our “D” when it consisted of the best athletes in the country. Our talent declined and we stayed exactly the same scheme, approach wise.
I believe they got fat and happy.
They really believed that they had “figured it out”. not just scheme, but the whole way they ran the program.
Meanwhile, back at Gotham, all of CFB was getting hungry for success, and finding ways to best their accomplishments.
Ironic that Bowden Got lapped in every category he had originally been good at. He was considered….
1. an outside the box play caller – both schemes got majorly lapped by others.
2. great recruiter – evals and T.I.M.E. spent was taken to another level the hadn’t seen.
3. to have a good staff – his later highers were pathetic.
Yeah, right!
Bobby Who?
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
FU has never had a Dynasty. They have been good but..
Losing 11 starters & James is kinda a starter at PR/KR plus their secret to their succes Strong is going to sting. They have talent but we all saw the offense go down after Percy & Mullen left. I think the D is not going to be anything close to the same without Strong & a lot of missing pieces in 2010.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!

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