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BBall -- Slightly Before End of Season Progress Report

We ran through our nonconference schedule at a level right about at most of our expectations.  Not over-achieving, by any stretch, but pulling in the Old Spice crown, pitted against dropping the UF and OSU games, about balances out where we thought we would end up: a respectable, but not overly impressive, 12-2 final OOC record.

In the ACC, we've just pulled in that crucial 9th win and will be favored to pull in #10 this weekend.  In terms of preseason expectations, I think a 10-6 mark is something all but the most optimistic would have readily accepted from the outset, while 9-7 would have still been swallowed, though somewhat begrudgingly, by most.

Going forward, to me, there is little doubt at this point that we will win at least 1 of our next 2, and we will draw a middle-ish seed in the tournament.  We'll say 9 or higher.  It would be great to climb above that 8-9 game to avoid a 1-seed in the 2nd round of the NCAAT, but a lot remains to be determined in terms of ACC seeding, and that will likely dictate how high we can achieve in both of our upcoming post-season tournaments.

 

So we evaluate the season in light of at least a 9-7 ACC record, 12-2 OOC, and a middle-tier seed in the NCAAs -- isn't that right about in line with expectations, balancing out those Sweet 16 hopefuls with those that thought we'd miss Toney too much to even make the Dance?  The achievement has come by an unpredictable path; dropping so many home games in exchange for a surprising slate of road wins (at Carolina?), but now that we're close to solidifying an overall respectable performance, are we happy?

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I think it's unavoidable to not see the talent and potential, offensively, and thereby lament our offensive efficiency.  We should simply be more threatening than we are with the skill of the players on this squad.   On the other hand, the defense has somewhat offset that disappointment, in achieving a level of consistent dominance beyond what most would have ventured to guess.  The top defense in the NCAA by almost any measure, with a recent anecdote to demonstrate its prowess: Aminu -- 0 points?  Again, on the whole, we are who we thought we were.  It is the nature of this squad, and our fate as fans: very high-highs pitted against unbearably low-lows.

 

Going forward... much to the ire of some, Hamilton will surely be retained. To those that find this disappointing, I think you should be encouraged that he has, in fact, made changes to his crop of assistants over his tenure, which have clearly benefited the team, and helped us to continue advancing in our level of achievement.  For instance, many rightfully credit the hire of Enfield as allowing us to finally get off/over the NCAAT bubble -- great defense coupled with solid free throw shooting is a decent recipe for success.  Successively, some have indicated that Crawford's expertise led to the implementation of the new defensive wrinkles we've seen this year: most importantly, a menu of zone defenses to leverage our interior dominance. This tweaked defensive approach seemingly has allowed us to achieve at a level, defensively, to compensate for our youthful woes in FT shooting (noting that the development of Snaer in this area, highlighted by last night's closing act, should demonstrate that this is already improving and will not be a concern going forward, possibly aside from someone with the initials C.S.)  Will we perhaps see one of our current assistants move on, and bring in a new face that can help our guards limit turnovers and manage the offense with more efficiency?  I contend that simply dropping our turnovers by about 4 per game would make us practically unbeatable.

Regardless, I believe the future looks bright.  While the professional future of some players keeps next season shrouded in some mystery, there are some things we can count on.  First, we will assuredly have a strong frontcourt.  Defensively, whether Alabi leaves or not (50/50?) will have some consequence, and while we will inevitably miss Reid's journeyman commitment to "doing the little things," the combined influx of Kreft and James, coupled with Shannon's prospective development as a 2nd year player -- in just his 2nd year off of reconstructive knee surgery -- should compensate for some of this (potential) loss.  Offensively, whether Alabi leaves or not, Xavier Gibson is FINALLY showing the development we hoped for and is beginning to tap into his limitless athletic potential.  Ultimately, Alabi's decision to go pro probably dictates whether we simply have a very formidable frontcourt vs. potentially (again) the best in the conference, and by a wider margin than this year.  I do not believe our remaining recruit, Okara White, will have a huge impact, simply due to the depth we already have in the post.

Regarding the backcourt, Kitchen, Loucks, and Dulkys have suffered bumps along the road in their 2nd year with the program, but all will be back next year, and each of them has matured and improved in their respective roles.  Snaer is almost assuredly a future All ACC performer.  He already performs at that level, albeit with some inconsistency, this season, and there is no reason to believe he will not progress and improve consistency; it is clear he simply has too much desire and ability to not attain those goals.  The final element for next year's backcourt is a big one, the young man by the name of Ian Miller.  I believe he will bring every bit as much to the table at the PG position that Snaer has brought to the 2, though he will have the luxury of growing into his role without immediate, dire need (as Snaer has faced this season and handled admirably well).  In sum, I believe the backcourt could very well perform as well as any other in the conference by the end of next season.

You surely have noticed one glaring omission from the above: Chris Singleton appears to be the X-factor for both the offense and defense for next season, to the point that his future determines whether we make a huge stride forward in 2010-11, or simply maintain a similar level of NCAAT quality, but not quite elite achievement.  Currently, when he chooses to show up, there are few that can handle him.  That same perspective, I believe, addresses the team's prospects for next year: if he chooses to return, I believe there are few teams that will be able to handle the Seminoles, and that is something even the most vocal critic of this program can get excited about.

Poll
Are you satisfied with the team's performance this year? Did it live up to your expectations?
Extremely disappointed -- I thought we'd contend for the ACC regular season title.
0 votes
Somewhat disappointed -- I thought we'd have secured a bid earlier, and disappointed by sweeps by Clemson, Maryland.
31 votes
Generally, in line with expectations -- I thought we'd be fighting our way off the bubble to the end.
34 votes
Somewhat pleasantly surprised -- I thought losing Toney was too much.
19 votes
Quite pleasantly surprised -- I thought Hamilton had no shot to take a young but talented team this far.
7 votes
Other
1 votes

92 votes | Poll has closed

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Going off of preseason expectations

we are about where I thought we’d be. However, as the season progressed and we saw that the strength of the ACC isn’t what it has been in the past few years, I’m slightly disappointed. No way we should have been swept by Maryland AND Clemson and the home loss to a bad NC State team can’t be allowed to happen. Still, we could end up 3rd in the conference and I don’t think anyone would have complained about that at the begining of the season.

Big Fan of Big Spear Diplomacy

by NCNole99 on Mar 4, 2010 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

I voted other because I wanted a "Very disapointed - I thought we would actually be able to get more than 3 high percentage looks at the basket on offense per half" option.

for the record the D is probably the best in the country, but that doesn’t offset the O simply because it is SOOOO BAD.

They don’t have a clue what they are doing, and the use of players talents is insanely inexplicable.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 4, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

not to delve into this discussion again -

but how can you be ‘very disappointed’ when you freely admit that we have the best d in the nation?

does that not at least bring you to ‘somewhat disappointed?’

by 000111 on Mar 4, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted "in line with expectations"

though that will bump up a notch if we win at Miami. I predicted 9-7 at the beginning of the year and we have a slightly better than 50/50 shot at hitting 10 wins.

by norcal_nole on Mar 4, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

I'll confess that my poll Q and A's are a bit loaded.

Foremost, squeezing “satisfied” and “expectations” into the same question, with no opportunity to distinguish between them, might be a conundrum for some.

That is why i added the “Other” option, expecting folks to document their reasoning in the comments if they couldn’t accept being squeezed into one of these boxes.

by arrdub on Mar 4, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

In line with my expectations

I had expected Singleton and Snaer to become our 1,2 punch offensively and while to a certain degree they have they (mostly Chris) have disappointed me. There is no reason why Chris and Snaer should not be averaging 14+ next season if they are healthy.

by Legal_Seminole on Mar 4, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I am very happy with where this team is...

as far as wins and losses.

I get disappointed with how they play offensively. That HAS to be addressed.

But my only goal for the season was to win at least 1 NCAA tournament game. That is still possible as of this point, so I am thrilled.

Next year, this team could be VERY good.

by noles55 on Mar 4, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

I'm finding myself in line with your expectations.

Depending on the matchup, I think we can win one game. If that happens, I’ll be satisfied, and call this year as a success.

by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 4, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

are we voting based on the season results?

our w/l record has me surprised. We dont have a leader on the team and made the big dance.

our defense has been consistently one of the best I’ve seen

too bad our offense is one of the worst i’ve ever seen.

Snaer and Loucks have improved a lot since the start of the season.

Singleton hasn’t improved at all offensively. With his role on the team now he should have improved by more than 2 ppg over last year.

Same with Alabi. He should have been more consistent for what his role is.

So now we’re stuck with a interesting situation where the play of our players is below expectations, as is coaching, but the result of the season meets expectations.

by B-rod24 on Mar 4, 2010 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

I'm glad that you addressed Alabi's play.

It would be interesting to get everyone’s thoughts on him as a player….I personally agree with your short, albeit accurate, assessment.

by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 4, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Alabi & Company

It’s obvious that he is pressing on the offensive end and feels frustrated. Maybe it has something to do with the expectations coming into this year that he would step his game up. What bothers me the most is the fact that the entire offense just looks so chaotic and out of sync. I can live with the losses but I just don’t see how a team without any injuries has made so little progress on the offense end after 5 plus months of work together. It’s just maddening. Yes I know we bring in some talent next year but you also have to develop what you have on the floor now and this staff has been a huge disappointment in that area. You can’t be great in one phase of the game & be satisfied with the results. I think we all learned that lesson with Bobby and the football team. We should expect better.

by 30yearnole on Mar 4, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll Add

that the early season losses to Ohio St & Florida should have been a wake up call to the staff, as in our defense isn’t going anywhere but we have to develop a cohesive offense if we expected to get better. Realistically this team has made very little progress since then and that falls entirely on the shoulders of the coaching staff.

by 30yearnole on Mar 4, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i have to disagree

While it is hard to see since the offense is so erratic and turnover plagued, a lot has changed since the OSU/UF games. Namely:

DK and Loucks see the floor often together. And while the press break is nothing spectacular, it is serviceable.

FSU runs a lot of block to block screens to free Alabi. Alabi was a basic non-factor offensively early in the season. He has seen better looks, but is still limited by poor entry passes — mostly from the revered Snaer and DD.

Snaer has stopped settling for jump shots… mostly.

Loucks protects the ball. DD shots in rythm. Gibson starts lower on the block. etc.

by DixieNole on Mar 4, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

TrueCubbie's preseason 'prediction'

“Prediction: I won’t make any specific predictions but will say the following: Top 4 in the ACC, 20+ wins, ACC Tournament Semi-Finalist, NCAA Tournament Appearance”

Top 4 in the ACC? check (if we beat miami and clemson or va tech lose)
20+ wins? check
ACC tourny semi finalist? remains to be seen
NCAA tourny appearance? check

by B-rod24 on Mar 4, 2010 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

CHam?

I cannot believe Ive been forced into this corner, but I am about to defend CHam here… Im curious for those brandishing the axe, what recent hire (lets say last ~4years) would you take over CHam? Lateral moves dont count (eg. Roy Williams).

My “realistic” list is two names long. And you have to go back to 2003 to find a coach I was in-love with before the hire that has actually lived up to the hype.

FSU has been absurdly frustrating to watch at times, but pretty much every contributor has shown reasonable improvement as the season progressed. The unfortunate part is that Singleton and Alabi — the two players best in a position to lead this team or at least be a “go to guy” — have shown the least improvement. And that lack of improvement is magnified every half-court set. If either of those players were at 15 ppg, where would this team be? Where would your opinion be? But even those two will still make first team all defense any day.

by DixieNole on Mar 4, 2010 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

Thats kind of why my criticisms are often held back

You cant compare our football situation to our basketball situation. People want to coach here for football. Conservatively speaking we are at least a top 15 job in the country. The whole Bowden thing was frustrating because we have a legacy we can definitely get back to (within reason).

What legacy do we have here in basketball? What makes us a better job than any other Major conference school?

The only guy i could imagine wanting to coach here over other schools is Sam Cassell.

by B-rod24 on Mar 4, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Hamilton was a definate coaching upgrade. Problem is I don't think he can get this team any better than

it has been the past two years. Because he does not have the ability to teach offensive basics. We will keep being a middling team with a great D and zero Offense. It’s very frustrating to have a D this good and an O this bad at the same time. It’s like inheriting the worlds most valuable diamond under the singal condition that you are never allowed to sell it.

The two players you are talking about IMO are not better because they have not been taught to be.

But, perhaps you’re right in that we can’t hire anyone more cabable at this school.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 5, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you say we have peaked when we are still showing improvement?

IMO we have not plateaued yet. I think it takes more than one year to estabish a trend and the last two seasons have been considerably better than the previous 10 or so. I know this has been brought up before, but it is similar to the Bucs with Dungy/Gruden. It looked great in the short term, but bad in the long. I don’t want to give Coach Ham a lifetime contract, but I’d like to make sure he has the opportunity to maximize the team’s potential under his coaching. That could have already happened, but I believe we will continue to improve.

BTW, great write-up arrdub, very well done.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Mar 5, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

reply fail

This is in response to truecolors last post.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on Mar 5, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks TB.

I share a similar perspective. While there are pronounced flaws, there is also a lot to be proud of, and the trajectory up to this point has been undeniably positive…. and most indicators suggest it hasn’t quite peaked. Hamilton has been willing to shake up his staff at key points along the timeline to improve certain deficiencies, and I am hopeful that this trend will continue if we do appear to plateau in performance over the next year.

I think I expect a run to the Sweet 16 either this year or next. Even in light of potential player departures, we should have enough veteran leadership in the backcourt, and enough talent, overall, to be a very formidable club in 2010-11. If we go one-and-done this year and follow suit the next, there is no more question about whether we need to bring someone on board to “fix” the offense. (The reason I am giving them another year, despite the obvious blemish, is because I do think coaches can upgrade their performance, and the staff has at least earned a one-year grace period to accomplish that, having achieved a tangible level of improvement overall. I would not be disappointed if Hamilton changed things up immediately after the season, however.)

The fix I outlined in the original post — a new assistant to help with guard play — is the right choice, in my opinion. Our post players have shown clear growth/improvement over the course of a career: Johnson, Thornton, Reid, Alabi, and Gibson (finally), ultimately have gotten better over the course of their careers (besides failing to box out, defensively, though I am still not certain whether this is a shot-blocking trade off). Our guards, on the other hand, typically have a stunted growth pattern, and all seem to be plagued by persistent flaws — not enough assists and/or too many turnovers, chiefly relating to an inability to feed our post-players.

I have never coached basketball, but I have to believe there are some young coaches out there with the ability to help mold our guys in this area, that would jump at the chance to join Hamilton’s staff, and take this program to a top 15 level of achievement in very short time. Quite the inverse of our football team, all we need is an average ACC-level offense to dominate the majority of the field.

2009- and forward has been, and will continue to be, an exciting time to be a Seminole fan. The Lost Decade is truly over.

by arrdub on Mar 5, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i wonder how the opions of the board might be altered now that were the 3rd seed

and if the tourney plays out as it should we’ll likely be a 7 or 8 seed

anyone considering changing their tune?

by 000111 on Mar 8, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the call out and no.... the ACC sucks this year...period. He did nothing to significantly improve the team.

The fact that we are 0-3 against the two teams we are waiting to play in the second round, and had to have 4 teams lose their last game to get there shows just how pathetic the ACC is right now by its own standards. Not to mention the Titanic…err…Tarheels.

in a normal ACC year FSU is squarley on the Bubble with this team. Besides I’ve never said he hasn’t improved the program since he arived. I’ve merely pointed out that IMO he’s already hit his cealing.

I thought we were goint to wait till this years NCAA and next Years result to pick the debate back up, so lets wait and see.

Yeah, right!

by truecolors on Mar 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

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