Florida State Defensive Ends Coach D.J. Eliot Meets The Press
Florida State Defensive Ends Coach D.J. Eliot met with the press today for the first (possibly only) time this year. This coverage comes courtesy of Andrew Carter's excellent Chopping Block Blog (Orlando Sentinel). He has full video. Here is the first clip. Head on over to see the rest.
I really like how he emphasized the importance of working together with Odell Haggins. Hopefully DC Mark Stoops will emphasize that as well. Too often it seemed like Florida State's ends and tackles did not work together in a complimentary fashion. AC has a bunch of thoughts here. This one was most interesting to me:
-Eliot's recruiting responsibility goes like this: He has central Florida, north and west of Orlando. He has southeast Georgia. And upwards to around parts of Atlanta. Nationally, he'll be responsible for Texas. In fact, he has a lot of experience recruiting Texas, which he said is an advantage for him. He knows the high school programs and coaches well out that way. And even when he was coaching at Tulsa earlier in his career, he heavily recruited Texas.
Eliot has produced all-conference players at every level and his resume is very impressive considering where he has coached. He is considered to be a sizable upgrade to former DE coach Jody Allen, who had no business coaching at Florida State and who had a downright contentious and contemptuous relationship with the players and other staff.
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Personally, I agree with the 250 pound range, our guys are a lot stronger than they may appear and they know how to “shake & bake” when needed. It is not understood when you are on the outside looking in…some of the current DE were fond of Jodi Allen it was MA that was the problem. Once again when your on the outside looking in you don’t know the details . It was very disturbing that D Carter & JA physically faught in front of the players
Agree that ability/performance trumps all.
Insanely strong and fast can trump any weight requirement. I think the general thought is that, all things being equal, the more pounds the merrier. See linked articles, Size Matters Part 1, and Part 2.
I could be wrong...
…but I believe it was about Clay Aiken. Jody said he was underrated, Dex said he was overrated, and then things got physical. I’ve seen it a thousand times…
I believe that I can help answer this question (being the big cheese and all...)
Basically the whole things was blown way out of proportion. It was spaghetti day in the cafeteria, and Coach Allen had gotten some sauce on his shirt. Well, it also happened to be team picture day, and Coach Carter, being the nice guy that he is, didn’t want Coach Allen to look goofy with sauce on his face during the picture. He politely walked up to Jody, and wiped the smudge of sauce off of his face. Coach Allen replied with a very courteous “Why thank you Dex!”, and then they gave each other a high five follow through to leg shake…
As you can see, the whole thing was a big misunderstanding.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 5, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
This implies that we were not on the inside
and that you haven’t read up on why size does matters. It’s not strength. It is mass.
Shocker:
-Eliot said his ideal size for a defensive end would be about 6-foot-4, 250 pounds.
He obviously hasn’t brushed up on his TN reading material yet.
Wonder if he meant it as a recruit
I heard this and decided to lay off it. Most likely he hasn’t realized the size of guys he can get here.
Agree. I think he's not used to driving the cars we'll be able to put in our garage.
His tastes will mature, I am sure. Just look at the guys we recruited this year.
true, but
that goes back to the argument as to whether college coaches should be more about preparing guys for the NFL or winning games. If the coaches feel they can win with the 250 lb guys (also if they are 250 as in coming freshman won’t they add weight by the time they are juniors or seniors..but I digress) should they pass up those guys because they want to just put out NFL prospects?
I think with Bama, UGA, and sometimes UF now running 3-4 schemes
we can take advantage of a market inefficiency.
Also, you must mold your defense to the opponents you face. Almost every team in Texas’ conference throws the ball 50X a game. They see no spread run game stuff outside of Texas A&M. The need for them to play with leverage and collapse the pocket is less than ours with UF, GTech, NC State, and even Clemson now incorporating more QB run threat.
They also don't face any quality running teams until they played Bama, and
faced zero spread-option teams IIRC (though you could Argue Texas A&M, who played them very tough).
I don't think so, I rewound that clip 2x he said "by the time they are playing". Hope ther is not a rub here.
Yeah, right!
I think if you look at the recruiting, it settles it
We brought in 305, 305 and 295 at DT last year.
This year we have 299 and 285 as HS Juniors (probably 305 and 295 when they get here, at least)
Those guys who have some potential or ability to play inside will play outside, and thus will make FSU bigger on the outside.
No doubt Fisher is going to have his way anyhow. I meant I hope he doesn't try to do "his thing" here.
I’m probably just paranoind after the decade of not-so-great staff issues.
Yeah, right!
Well he said he watches each and every offer gthat goes out
so if we offer an undersized kid, it’s with CJF’s approval
I just don't see it
He’d have to convince stoops too. Fisher is a control freak to the max. And I think he trusts Nick’s ideas on defense over anyone else
This is why Jimbo invoked the 'one voice' policy
reporters love to ask questions that create schisms/inconsistent messages/etc. that sell papers….
Nothing can stop us....
Think it's just paranoia.
He did say 250 by the time they play, but heck, isn’t that an upgrade over what we currently have? lol
I just don’t see this guy going against Jimbo and trying to sneak in his “own” ideas into the defensive philosophy. I don’t even think “small, quick guys are best” is even his philosophy.
"Trick is right."
Plus, the math doesn't work
7 300 lb guys by 2011 means those smaller guys (like 275ish) are on the outside.
Well, unless they expect the 275 guys to bulk up to 300 in a couple years
and we recruit accordingly to adjust.
I just think reading into each word these coaches are saying is missing the point of it all. The broad schemes and concepts are what’s important. The teaching of technique and the fundamentals.
This is Fisher’s team. If he wants size he’ll get it. If he wants speed he’ll get it. If he wants both he’ll get it. If a guy is just a tremendous ball player but lacks a little in one of those size/speed categories and Fisher wants him, he’ll go after him. All these coaches have size they want “size with speed”. Not a single one has said, “Well, if a recruit’s got great athleticism and speed but is larger than the prototypical player at his position, we won’t take him.”
"Trick is right."
Jody Allen should join CUM's staff
Jody Allen, where do I start? When I was a student at FSU, I lived with 3 girls in a house. Jody had a crush on one of them, he would write her love notes all the time. He was a creepy dude; some of the notes were borderline psychotic. He became a stalker, and I had to tell him to leave numerous times. He cried like a baby a few times on my front lawn, late at night. Because she would not return his calls or notes. Good times!!
Seriously?
That is hilarious, scary, and not at all surprising. The players I talked to thought he was racist as hell and Dexter Carter totally punched him.
Where is Jody selling insurance…I mean .. coaching… these days anyway?
He riddance is almost – and I say almost – as refreshing as Fredo’s was
Jody Allen is actually here:
University West Georgia (Wolves)
Jody Allen – Associate Head Football Coach/Def. Coordinator
He’s wth:
Daryl Dickey – Athletic Director and Head Coach
James Colzie – Defensive Coord./Secondary
I wonder if they play the University of North Alabama?
I wonder if they play University North Alabama?
I wonder if he was wearing that dorky ass gardening hat when DC jacked his redneck ass...
If even part of the chipfsu30 story is true, as funny as it is, it is just another sad example of Bobby losing his mind as he aged. Not only was this guy the worst FSU coach of all time, but he is a straight up creep loser. Bobby just wasn’t able to judge successfully personally or professionally in the Lost Decade…
I hope that does not ruin Carter's rep as a coach in the future
Even if the FSU job was over his head, I was hoping if he wanted to still coach he could move to a lower level school and get some experience. Punching a co-worker never sounds good though.
Buddy Ryan was lucky to have a rep as a great DC
or else he would not have gotten away with that junk lol
Kevin Steele
Bud, remember when Kevin Steele got choked out by that LB for the Carolina Panthers? I forget that dude’s name, but he was a white dude with long blonde hair. Complete psycho. Not Bill Romanowski psycho, but close. Green, I believe was his name.
by LincolnHighNole on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
I remember when Kevin Green and Mongo McMichael teamed up until Mongo hit him with the steel briefcase filled with Ric Flair's money and joined the 4 Horsemen...
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Is this necessary?
Even if there is no spin associated with your story, I don’t feel an attack on his dignity is needed. Not trying to be rigthteous. Perhaps, my pre-geezerhood is talking here. Regarding his coaching, I am pleased he is somewhere else.
by TEMPORARY LIKE ACHILLES on Mar 4, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Jody's new gig
“Hi, I’m Jody Allen, the creator of the recipes in Loving Life Cafe Recipes Made with Love. ’’
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Chief Osceola
Poor Craig
From Heisman campaign to watching in the stands all in one off-season.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 4, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Here's your piece... He's to small, to slow, and has much better athelets ridding the bench behind him. The End.
Yeah, right!
Their frustration should be directed at Allen, Mickey, and Bobby
Some think (including me) that Allen, who realized he was a lame duck (and many thought he was pretty racist), played Yarborough to spite some of the other guys on the team, even to his own detriment.
Yeah I'm up to speed on all that.
I just never understand why fans of amateur sports rip players who are giving good effort.
I don't think it's okay to make comments about an FSU player
that you wouldn’t make to their face, but I’m old fashioned.
Have to balance being able to speak openly and honestly about the players
with downright bashing. I don’t see anything wrong with people evaluating his abilities.
Agree completely.
And some wiggle room is fine since no one’s line between bashing/evaluating will be in the exact same place – but a lot of the things said about some of our defensive players this year were completely uncalled for.
If people want to rip Jody Allen then by all means – I’ll lob the softballs.
You're right it was a bit strong, however I'm certain I've said nothing about Yarb or Mangum this year that I wouldn't say were they standing in front of me.
bottom line is they couldn’t get it done and were still played and that’s very frustrating.
Yeah, right!
norcal_nole.... Are you from Soviet Russia? "but I’m old fashioned" communist
Welcome to California
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California Pass Bill Banning Cursing
California is ready to ban large flat screen televisions.
California Bill banning of soda and snacks (poor fat kids)
California is bankrupt, chaotic state. (Just like the former Soviet Union)
Maybe your state can ban talking mean about College football players.
what rock did chip crawl out from under?
He goes from Nole football to cheap politics in a flash
Chief Osceola
it was a joke
“I don’t think it’s okay to make comments about an FSU player
that you wouldn’t make to their face, but I’m old fashioned.”
by norcal_nole
WTF? Every kid gets a trophy mentality! Don’t worry we have a new Mental Conditioning Program. We can say anything now. (I hope they dont cry themselves to sleep at night after reading TN lol)
i have a solution
A) precede any negative statement about a player with, “no offense but…” (see Talladega Nights)
2) follow any negative statement about a player with, "not that there’s anything wrong with that)
D) That’s all i got
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Mar 6, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, I prefer to lead with
A) With all due respect,
2) No disrespect intended,
or
D) While your opinion may be valid or while your opinion is important
and often I use all of them together when the situation warrants.
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I'm not ripping him
Just remembering the Yarbough for Heisman poster we had here. Pure gold.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 4, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Really
Picking up information like that is why many of us are here. There are a lot of cheer leading sites who think there are things you don’t need to know. I don’t see anything here that is not true. There s room for skepticism here as to why Allen thought this end should start over others.
Our defensive end play was miserable at times and Allen was the coach. If he has some Herban Meyer type problems it is interesting to know about it. Actually that explains a lot. If a player is not performing up to expectations it is O.K. to talk about it and discuss it.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Yeah...I think that's where MattD's discussion was stemming from, to be honest.
I really don’t think it was ripping anyone.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 4, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Eliot does seem pretty sharp
I would’ve liked it more if he had used specific names when asked about FSU’s tradition at end (I don’t think he did); that would have demonstrated his desire to embrace the tradition here.
But overall, I think he’ll do well for us. I’m looking forward to seeing this staff in action!
I love our current ability to steal players out of Texas
Between Eliot’s recruiting knowledge out there, as well as our history of starting players from Texas (CP7, Hopkins, Mangum) and our hopeful future with other players (Holmes, Secord), we can make one heck of a case for a player from the Lone Star State to head to Tallahassee.
Hold On.....
I’m going to try and not see pulling Mangum out of ANYWHERE as a good thing, haha. Sorry, I know we’ve said no ‘player bashing’, but Corey was the punching bag of ACC offenses this year .(as well as that of all the Florida State sports blogs)
"If somebody mistreats you, treat em' good. That kills em'."
-Bobby Bowden
Haha! I included Korey as showing that Texas players can START
I specifically did not say that all Texas players have been successful or in any way impressive. I simply said that they’ve got a history of starting.
It won't take much
Anybody would be an improvement. Hell, I think you could put a gorilla in a coach’s shirt and get the same results.
by NoleySmokes on Mar 4, 2010 7:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I can see how some would be nervous still after the last few years
I don’t have any reservations about Fisher’s selections. It has been a long time since I could say that. For years I have second guessed most everything BB and Mickey did.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
A hint of gap control on the edges?
I was happy to hear our ends are actually going to play more techniques that just rushing up field and out of the play.
Clinging to my off-season optimism, I really do believe there is some returning talent at D-end, and the kids just need practice time to start learning how to apply their talents within a sound defensive scheme.
Foosball is the devil
It would have been great if they
had rushed up field. What they seemed to do most often was crash in parallel to the line of scrimmage and absolutely give up contain before reading or reacting to anything. Our end play was phenomenally bad.
fm
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Marcus White
seemed to rush up field, spin, get pushed by one of the offensive linemen, then be out of the play.
Although new coaching can benefit him some, I think he looked too thin to be effective. I am not sure how fast the new S&C can really build his body up, especially if the coaches want guys in the 270 range. I am not trying to player bash, just discussing his size. Anyone else think he looked more like a linebacker?
He looked like a track star
It was just hard to watch. Fast as hell for a DE but a perfect example of bad speed.
by osceolafan850 on Mar 4, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Its like the saying goes
There is good speed and bad speed. Good Speed Shuts stuff down. Bad Speed just gets you in the wrong place faster. Doesn’t it seem a bit frustrating that until UM this year the teams that did the best shutting down GT’s TO were the teams that were slower and forced to place disciplined?
"You play to WIN the GAME"
The weights I've seen listed for him (260?) have always been respectable...
Quite a bit bigger than any our previous/recent guys — E. Brown, K. Wimbley, A. Jackson, etc.
White at 260?
Dang, guess he’s listed on Seminoles.com at 261. There’s just no way. Is there?
And dude, don’t really remember Jackson for the life of me. Davis and Moore I remember from the recent past.
"Trick is right."
I just remember seeing his upper body and thinking
he looked skinny. I thought our linebackers looked bigger. So the new coaches need to get his upper body to match his lower body lol
I just remember thinking he looked like Toshmon Stevens.
Bout the same height and 98 and 96 look similar on their jerseys. Stevens is listed at 228, White at 261. Definitely did not look like White had 33 pounds on Stevens to me, but maybe he did.
And I didn’t realize White played basketball at Butler.
"Trick is right."
Who's more at fault for that?
DE or LB coach?
All I care about is...
can he land Ray Drew.
That is my #1 concern.
I believe so.
Three more good OL are my top priority. Drew would probably come in after that (mainly because it’s our backyard). Throw in a really good LB or 2 and another really good RB and our needs are met, imo.
"Trick is right."
Which position are you talking about?
And you mean really good as in just waiting for his commitment?
"Trick is right."
This kid is also on our radar...
LaMichael Fanning DE
6’7 269
I’d be happy if we got them both! =)
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Only difference is Drew is a Nole fan and lean and grew up in practically our backyard.
Fanning isn’t leaving Alabama.
"Trick is right."
Chickillo and Rabasa have gotten some pub on Rivals.
I would also expect a south Florida DE (or 3) to blow up this summer, like every year, and shoot up our board. As FSUn said, long way to go.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
He talks to Jim Gladden every day.
I hope Jody Allen sees that while he’s taking his lunch break at the Walmart he’s currently working at.
you remember?
that very sweet old lady who used to hand out the free mints at Burger King on the Parkway? Jody could do that, but he would need to be coached up by the Mint Granny.
by LincolnHighNole on Mar 5, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
There will be a noticable improvement just from our guys not losing containment
I think there will be some quick results which will make us all excited, but then the progress will come slower as our players start to have to pick up the more challenging aspects of the game.
I suppose thats pretty obvious.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
Think how easy it has been for FSU's opponents to scheme against Mickey's defense these last few years.
The fact that they can no longer do that should be worth several points a game in and of itself. Now with all these new coaches and new schemes and actually having players being taught how to play defense in a competent manner, FSU will be a MUCH tougher team to beat.
My apologies
to the community for my Fanshot (Fansh*t?) My smart mouth gets the best of me at times.
Meme?!?!
Meme? Here on TN? I thought I would only read that word in grad school… oh, well, a quick Google search does show that this is also used in internet lingo. But still, it took me by surprise to see the word in something other than an academic article.
Medieval literature
Late 15th century (literature = Thomas Malory; history = Wars of the Roses). Yeah, I know – very practical, with promises of big bucks. Heh.
Many people think of Mead when thinking of Medieval spirits,
but the late 15th century is when English brewers first started adding hops to ale (which is basically beer brewed without hops), thus the beginning of what is now regarded as beer.
But you probably already knew that.
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Update
England was notorious for adding lead and antimony to their silver vessels and pots. I am sure it was a conscious effort to poison the the peasant class and assure the royals reigned supreme. I would be very cautious when it comes to buying any silverware that is English made. Not to mention the fact they deem it worth thousands more if some of the various crowned heads who vowed eternal war against America even drank from them.
Fact is I would steer away from European silver totally as it is only 800 sterling and contains nickel making it easier to mold, which leads to allergies and asthma. Of course most stainless flatware in America also contains nickel and cadmium and some of it is Xray equipment sold to China which is molded into flatware utensils and sold back in the US.
Those “English” brewers were also known to use lead solder and not silver solder. The motto of this story is when browsing ebay and you see British made, keep on scrolling.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
actually Ale is a kind of beer made with top fermenting yeast
Brewed at around Room Temperature. As opposed to Lager which is Bottom fermenting and must be fermented cold.
They both have hops.
I just got done brewing a Belgian Dubbel delicious.
also hops have been added to beer for thousands of years.
They help in preserving, bitterness, and overall flavor. Very important.
While this is neither important or relevant to this thread, I just had to go back and check if my memory was correct, or if it is truly fried as I have been told repeatedly. I know what you wrote is correct, but so was my comment above about British Ale.
From the history of brewing and some other sites.
Hops were in use in Germany in the 11th century, and in the 15th century they were introduced into Britain from Holland.
The term “beer” was initially used to describe a drink brewed with hops, unlike “ale”.
The use of hops in beer was written of in 822 by a Carolingian Abbot. Again in 1067 by Abbess Hildegard of Bingen: “If one intends to make beer from oats, it is prepared with hops.” Flavoring beer with hops was known at least since the 9th century, but was only gradually adopted because of difficulties in establishing the right proportions of ingredients. Before that, gruit, a mix of various herbs, had been used, but did not have the same conserving properties as hops. Beer flavored without it was often spoiled soon after preparation and could not be exported. The only other alternative was to increase the alcohol content, which was rather expensive. Hopped beer was perfected in the towns of Germany by the 13th century, and the longer lasting beer, combined with standardized barrel sizes, allowed for large-scale export. The German towns also pioneered a new scale of operation and a level of professionalization. Previously beer had been brewed at home, but the production was now successfully replaced by medium-sized operations of about eight to ten people. This type of production spread to Holland in the 14th century and later to Flanders, Brabant and reached England by the late 15th century.
However, my statement was also correct.
In 15th century England, an unhopped beer would have been known as an ale, while the use of hops would make it a beer. Hopped beer was imported to England from the Netherlands as early as 1400 in Winchester, and hops were being planted on the island by 1428. The popularity of hops was at first mixed—the Brewers Company of London went so far as to state “no hops, herbs, or other like thing be put into any ale or liquore wherof ale shall be made—but only liquor (water), malt, and yeast.” However, by the 16th century, “ale” had come to refer to any strong beer, and all ales and beers were hopped, giving rise to the verse noted by the curious antiquary John Aubrey
In 1516, William IV, Duke of Bavaria, adopted the Reinheitsgebot (purity law), perhaps the oldest food regulation still in use through the 20th Century (the Reinheitsgebot passed formally from German law in 1987). The Gebot ordered that the ingredients of beer be restricted to water, barley, and hops; yeast was added to the list after Louis Pasteur’s discovery in 1857.
In conclusion, I am happy that I have not yet reached the burnt out level, not just yet, and still have some functioning long term memory cells. Ok, now I am ready to crack open a brewsky. Oh and BTW, your Belgian Dubbel brew does indeed sound delicious and spicy, and I am willing to bet strong. Cheers.
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You're right it's just very old terminology.
Right now Ales and Lager represent certain kinds of beer.
Ales more likened to red wine. and Lagers more akin to White.
Oh and yes my dubbel should average out to about 8% :D
Anything
is an upgrade from Allen, but I am pretty excited about Eliot on his own merit, not just the notjodyallen angle.
by PadraicTheSeminole on Mar 5, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions
If they recruit an undersized guy
We can also assume they know the guy is stronger than his size indicates, ala Darnell Dockett.
by nolestuff on Mar 5, 2010 4:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just to clarify - no pics of his wife makes me feel like that,
not, his wife looks like Bobby Knight. Because she doesn’t. She’s hot.

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