Preview and Game Thread: Florida State Seminoles vs Miami Hurricanes, 12pm EST
by TrueCubbie on Mar 6, 2010 8:00 AM EST
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Florida St. Seminoles at Miami Hurricanes, Mar 6, 2010 12:00 PM EST
And then there was one. In the regular season finale, the Seminoles head to Miami to take on the Hurricanes and continue their winning ways. While it wasn't pretty against the Demon Deacons, the Seminoles took care of business and kept pace in the ACC standings. With a win today and a Clemson loss on Sunday, Florida State will finish third in the ACC.
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Game Time: 12:00pm EST
Opponent's Site: Seventh Floor Blog
Television: ESPN2
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
In a season that had a lot of up and downs for the Seminoles, they can end the season on a high note with a two game winning streak and the possibility of finishing third in the standings. While it may not seem that this team should finish third in the conference, they have battled their way through a highly unpredictable, volatile ACC conference schedule and are in position to win 10 conference games for the second season in a row. It may not have been the prettiest basketball and was maddening to watch at times, the Seminoles got the job done when they needed to. Clearly, there were a few games that Semionles' fans want back, ones that even a modest field goal percentage might have resulted in a win. Despite all of the questions, broken remotes and gray hairs, the Seminoles are in position to make their second straight NCAA tournament appearance.
Today, the Noles head into Leonard Hamilton's old stomping ground to take on a very underachieving Miami Hurricanes team. Miami currently sits at 4-11 in the ACC and tied for last place with NC State. Since the Semionles last played the Hurricanes, Miami has only won two games: Georgia Tech and Virginia. Their four losses in the interim were to Clemson by 8, Duke by 7, NC State by 5 and UNC by 7. These are not blow out losses by any means. The Hurricanes did get walked over by a number of teams at the beginning of the season, but they seemed to have settled into being competitive.
They currently rank 60th in the Pomeroy rankings, which ranks as third worst in the conference. In fact, no team in the ACC ranks worse than 78th in the standings, meaning 12% of the top 100 teams in the country are from the ACC. Of the top 6 conferences ranked by Pomeroy, only the ACC and Big 12 have all of their teams in the top 100. As it stands, Miami has the 53rd offensive efficiency and the 79th defensive efficiency. These are not terrible numbers by any means.
Here are the rest of the Hurricanes' stats:
Raw Tempo: 67.3 poss/40 min National Rank=178
Adj Tempo: 66.8 poss/40 min National Rank=203
Offense Defense
Raw Efficiency : 106.1 ( 90) 96.3 ( 78)
Adj Efficiency : 110.4 ( 53) 95.3 ( 79)
Effective FG% : 52.8 ( 42) 46.4 ( 68)
Turnover Pct. : 21.7 (238) 20.3 (188)
Off. Rebound% : 35.4 ( 77) 31.0 ( 96)
Free Throw Rate: 36.8 (193) 36.4 (143)
3-Point FG% : 35.8 (100) 32.9 (111)
2-Point FG% : 52.2 ( 30) 44.8 ( 65)
Free Throw Pct.: 65.1 (284) 70.4 (254)
Block Pct. : 9.4 (192) 12.4 ( 39)
Steal Pct. : 10.8 (273) 10.6 (101)
3PA/FGA : 37.7 ( 58) 34.3 (239)
A/FGM : 55.4 (122) 56.7 (252)
If you have been following along for the entire season, you will recognize that this pattern plays directly to the strengths of the Seminoles. Miami turns the ball over almost as many times as the Seminoles, they don't shoot the ball well from the free throw line and they don't generate turnovers. Florida State forces turnovers, will drive that eFG% down and prevent Miami from getting to the line, making what few times they get to the line less damaging.
Lineups (From Seminoles.com):
PROBABLE STARTERS FOR FLORIDA STATE
F #31 Chris Singleton (10.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg; 10 pts and 3 stls vs., Miami, Feb. 6, 2010)
F #42 Ryan Reid (7.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg; 11 pts and 4 rebs vs. Miami, March 8, 2008)
C #32 Solomon Alabi (11.8 ppg, 2.4 bpg; 0 pts and 9 rebs vs. Miami, Jan., 21, 2009)
G #21 Michael Snaer (9.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg; 9 pts and 1 reb vs. Miami, Feb. 6, 2010)
G #22 Derwin Kitchen (8.5 ppg, 4.0 apg; 13 pts and 2 asts vs. Miami, Feb. 18, 2009)
F #21 Dwayne Collins (12.0 ppg, 7.8 rpg; 10 pts and 11 rebs vs. Florida State, Jan. 21, 2009)
C #45 Julian Gamble (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg; 9 pts and 3 rebs vs. Florida State, Feb. 6. 2010)
G #1 Durand Scott (9.7 ppg, 3.6 apg; 9 pts and 2 ats vs. Florida State, Feb. 6, 2010)
G #23 James Dews (11.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg; 19 pts and 7 rebs vs. Florida State, Feb. 18, 2009)
G #25 Garrius Adams (4.2 ppg, 2.2 rpg; 5 pts and 3 rebs vs. Florida State, Feb. 6, 2010)
This is a game that Florida State needs to exploit Miami's relative lack of size up front but account for the Hurricanes' speedy guard play. This is a formula that Florida State has become quite comfortable with as the season has gone on. With no players over 6'9, the Hurricanes have a significant front court advantage. Dwayne Collins is continuing to have an excellent season. Florida State will have to keep an eye on the likes of Malcom Grant, Adrian Thomas and James Dews. There are the Hurricanes three point threats and it would not be wise to let these three get comfortable from outside.
Four Factors and Other Stats:
| PPG | FG% | FT% | 3P% | RPG | ORPG | DRPG | APG | TPG | SPG | BPG | FPG | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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FSU | 69.3 | 45.6 | 64.9 | 33.4 | 38.2 | 12.7 | 25.6 | 14.0 | 16.7 | 8.5 | 6.4 | 17.8 |
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MIAMI | 72.5 | 46.3 | 66.1 | 36.6 | 36.3 | 12.0 | 24.3 | 14.4 | 14.5 | 7.2 | 4.4 | 17.3 |
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FSU Opponents | 60.2 | 37.1 | 66.1 | 32.8 | 33.0 | 12.6 | 20.4 | 9.7 | 16.3 | 8.0 | 2.3 | 18.9 |
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MIAMI Opponents | 64.5 | 40.4 | 70.5 | 33.0 | 32.9 | 11.3 | 21.6 | 12.6 | 13.9 | 7.3 | 3.1 | 17.7 |
| POS | PPG | PPP | FLR% | Eff | eFG% | TS% | FTR | 2P% | FTP% | 3P% | OR% | DR% | A% | A/T | T% | S% | B% | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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FSU | 1985.0 | 68.4 | 1.01 | 52.8 | 101.3 | 50.9 | 53.7 | 39.6 | 54.9 | 20.1 | 24.9 | 38.4 | 66.9 | 56.5 | 0.84 | 24.3 | 12.4 | 11.5 |
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MIAMI | 1949.0 | 67.2 | 1.08 | 53.9 | 107.9 | 53.2 | 55.6 | 37.0 | 49.6 | 18.7 | 31.7 | 35.8 | 68.3 | 56.3 | 1.0 | 21.6 | 10.8 | 8.0 |
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FSU Opponents | 1985.0 | 68.4 | 0.88 | 46.2 | 88.0 | 42.9 | 46.6 | 33.1 | 47.1 | 20.3 | 32.6 | 33.1 | 61.6 | 46.9 | 0.6 | 23.8 | 11.7 | 4.3 |
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MIAMI Opponents | 1949.0 | 67.2 | 0.96 | 48.7 | 96.0 | 46.2 | 50.2 | 35.6 | 49.3 | 21.4 | 29.3 | 31.7 | 64.2 | 56.8 | 0.91 | 20.6 | 10.8 | 5.7 |
All tables from Statsheet.com
Prediction: Florida State 71 Miami 63
Game Time: 12 pm EST
Opponent's Site: Seventh Floor Blog
Television: ESPN2
Live Stats: scacchoops.com
Random Fact From Seminoles.com
FLORIDA STATE'S RECENT 3-POINT FIELD GOAL DEFENSE
Florida State's defense limited Wake Forest to .273 shooting from the 3-point line in its four-point win over the Deacons on Wednesday night. The Seminoles limited Wake Forest to three made shots from the bonusphere - with only one coming in the second half. It marked the fifth time in the last five games that's Florida State's defense has limited its opponent to .353 shooting from long range or lower.
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So if we lose this game do you think we need one tournament win to get in or do you think this is all for seeding now?
IMHO
It’s all about seeding now. But if we lose today and lose the first next week, how are we going to do squat in the tourney?
Over in the post-game thread after the Wake Forest victory, TrickNole posted a link to a site
(RPIForecast), that calculates our chances to make the Dance at 99.2%, so it appears CelticPride is right here: its just for seeding from here on out.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Agreed. It's all about seeding.
I was asked to write a piece for the guys over at Rush the Court.net to ‘make our case’ about why FSU should be in the tournament. It’s pretty clear that the Noles should be in.
www.Tomahawknation.com
Strangely enough,
If we lose, we want Clemson to win. That combined with a VATech loss gets us the four seed (and a bye) in the ACC tourney. If all three of us lose, I think we get hurt in the tie breaker b/c of two losses to Clemson
I want a VT win and Clemson loss
combined with an FSU win gets us the 3 seed and turns VT into a top 50 win for us.
"Trick is right."
If we win today, do we get a bye in the ACC tourney regardless of what Clemson does?
by Jonathan Loesche on Mar 6, 2010 9:43 AM EST reply actions
No
I believe if VATech, Clemson and us all win, we would get stuck with the 5 seed b/c we lose a three way tie-breaker. Now Clemson plays @Wake and VATech plays @GaTech so a loss by one of them is definitely possible.
That is my interpretation of it as well. Need to look at it again, but we need either Clemson or VTech to lose.
Preferably, it would be nice to have Clemson lose and VTech win, then we get the 3 seed. But at this point, I’ll take the bye.
www.Tomahawknation.com
Yep, if we win AND Georgia Tech beats Virginia Tech today, we have a bye locked
up, just undetermined until Sunday as to #3 or #4.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Yuuuuup.
GNO/Trick, remember that you guys owe me a TN TShirt each (one white one red) if FSU, GT, and Wake when.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
there are Tomahawk Nation t-shirts?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Yeah! Or at least, there's gonna be...
Should be one of the fanshots, regarding the TN logo. Evidently K-man’s (I think it was him) wife put together some stuff…They look GOOD
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, was he the one you have the running joke with?!?!
Am I totally getting him confused with someone else, Frank?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. I keep calling her his fiance, but damn, you married him.
I can only pray he reads this.
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
What if Clemson AND VT lose?
Are we #3 then? This is so confusing. I don’t see why VT should be ahead of us in anyway now, even if they win, we beat them head to head.
Oh Boy.
Do I need to find Cubbie’s article again?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I just assume you have this stuff memorized, Trick.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's easier to remember the tiebreaker rules
than it is to remember all the scenarios. But GNO did a nice 4 scenario set somewhere on here recently that was pretty good.
"Trick is right."
so, by my scribbles I wrote down yesterday, we no longer have a chance
at the #6 seed.
Scenario 1: GTech and Wake win: #3 seed.
Scenario 2: GTech and Clemson win: #4 seed
Scenario 3: VaTech and Wake win: #3 seed.
Scenario 4: VaTech and Clemson win: #5 seed
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
yep. thats the way I read it. we need one road team to lose.
Clemson or VaTech
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
No, if we get stuck in a 3 or 4 way tiebreak, we finish last out of the 3/4 in both.
"Trick is right."
Let me revise that.
No, if we get stuck in a 3way tiebreak with VT and CU, we finish 3rd. We’d be 1-2 vs those two, CU would be 2-1 and VT would be 1-1. We’d have the worst %.
"Trick is right."
the best part of my day tomorrow (or monday), whenever the
next ESPN Bubble Watch comes out, is going to be seeing the FSU logo in the “Lock” column.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Pointspread I saw has the Noles favored by 1 1/2 points. Seems a little low.
Total 128 1/2.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Pomeroy has us winning by 2
I hope we take this game by the scruff of the neck and shake it (like a polaroid picture)
put the hammer down on this Dance ticket.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Woah...That Pomeroy number wasn't 60% earlier in the week, was it?
I think it’s gone down some…I thought it was hovering around 72 or so IIRC
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
That was the Wake %.
Miami was 55/56% the past week or two, I thought. Maybe as high as 59% yesterday.
"Trick is right."
Well, It's on ESPN2
So it’s likely on ESPN360 – I’m going downstairs to watch it on the Plasma in HD :)
Deckerhoff on FSU radio broadcast just said Dwayne Collins is out, will not dress.
Canes leading scorer & rebounder.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Wow
25% of their offense runs through him…
Will be second game in a row that FSU holds opponent top scorer to 0 pt.s :)
That's huge...
Not to sound like a presumptions jerk, but what’s the over/under on how many points the Canes will score?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
63 1/2 for miami. once I head Collins was out, I told my brother, The Gambler, to put
$$$ down on FSU -1 1/2.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Hubert Davis picks UNC to win..
Certainly he’s not serious.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions
Did we just lose the tip to freaking Miami!?!?!?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions
For some reason I thought the black was green, and we were sporting the white uni's.
Have we lost a tip all year?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I thought the same thing too.
Offense needs to tighten up. Defense is playing good. We can’t afford to let Miami shoot this poorly and hang around.
Yeah, I haven't gotten a chance to see the tip of the last couple of games...
On a side note, it has to suuuuck for our players to be down in Miami on a gorgeous Saturday, just to turn around and come straight back to Tally.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
that shot of the water going into the last break was incredible
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I was actually shocked both times
Its supposed to hit 50 degrees in Boston today aka I am going outside in f’ing shorts!
they went down on thursday afternoon
so they’ve had all day yesterday to hang out.
Pretty ugly way to win the tip.
Whiff while you’re in the air. Land. Knock it to your teammate flat-footed.
"Trick is right."
Four possessions in
Each! FSU up 1-0
by CelticPride on Mar 6, 2010 12:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
FSU has the Medusa Touch. We make any game ugly
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Does anyone else feel like we're watching a JV high school game?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions
I always feel like I am when I watch our offense
Except that nice 3 game stretch
I hear ya. 40 degrees in Cleveland.
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Trick, there was a 30 minute conversation this morning on ESPN about Dayton's chances of getting in.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's pretty simple what Dayton needs to do.
Win their next 4.
Home vs SLU tonight (blowout city, they’ll win by 18+, calling it)
1st round A10T (which are at host sites, this one would be in Dayton vs the 11 seed or something)
2nd round A10T in Atlantic City vs Xavier
3rd round (semifinals) A10T vs likely Richmond
Sets up an A10T Finals vs likely Temple, can lose that, but winning would be a damn sweet way to punch your ticket.
Go 4-0 before losing to Temple in the Finals and they get an 11 seed probably. Beat Temple and they may even get a 9. I don’t think they win their next 4.
"Trick is right."
No...Minute
Seemed like it took FOREVER, but the consensus is that they’ll make it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with that.
Unless other bubble teams just fall apart. Who was discussing it?
"Trick is right."
it aint Miami, thats for sure! spent 2/3 of my life in ohio, 1/3 in florida
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
these overhead shots of miami are killing me though
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Yes.
Also, root for Marquette over ND today. And Mercer over who they play in the ASunT.
"Trick is right."
ETSU...
MY Alama mater should be in that game…They were the one seed but got BOUNCED
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Marquette is a top 50 RPI win for us if they win today.
Same reason I want VT to win (and because a VT win is our ONLY hope for a 3 seed).
"Trick is right."
we're gonna have to take opposite sides on the GaTech-VaTech game, then
Trick. Maybe I am more conservative, but I want the bye wrapped up today. As I said, we win and GaTech wins, we have our bye, even if it is a #4. Don’t want to tempt the basketball gods and push for a #3.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
How's it tempting anyone?
If GT wins today, I switch to rooting for Clemson tomorrow. Pretty simple.
"Trick is right."
Im saying if VaTech wins today, the possibility of the #5 seed
still exists for us. GaTech wins, we end up with no worse than a #4. I’ll take that deal
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
the real nice thing about the #3 is the 9pm start time.
GaTech wins tonight, Wake tomorrow, we got the 3, as I see it. Right?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
That would do it.
I want VT to win due to the RPI top 50 win it would give us. But I’m not picky. That’s just the perfect scenario.
"Trick is right."
I agree about your perfect scenario. No doubt
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
"Loucks...the sophomore from Clearwater...he's got a lotta range"
Hahahahahahahha!!! What a moronic statement.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions
Love the way Ryan Reid is playing in his last ACC game...
Gonna miss the little things he does next year.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions
AD, is that you?
HAHA… you’ve warmed up to him huh?
We all have...
I wasn’t near as hard on RR as some others. He’s always played hard IMO
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'll miss that guy. I wonder what his NBA prospects are? I mean, I know he wont
be drafted, but I wonder if he can make a contribution at the NBA level?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
He'll def get a look. A strong big man with good footwork (without the ball haha), hustle, and a good feel for rebounding.
He might make an NBDL team, maybe?
WVU will win that game.
They’re good, man. Very well coached.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Huggins.
Fwiw, most of the state of Ohio that has a say in the matter hates him, too.
"Trick is right."
Yeah and I can understand why after the debocale (sp) in Cincy.
But I like his intensity and his X-O’s and his demand he puts on his players. I just think he is old school, and I respect that.
Great coach.
Can’t really deny that. Just didn’t make many friends. Or, didn’t keep those he made.
"Trick is right."
Just saw the "if the season ended today" thing
and I know we want the bye but to play Miami and then vt wouldnt be bad
yea i know we would play duke
but it wouldnt be till the semis. I would rather get there than bow out early to clemson or wake
not at all and im not suggesting that
but what if the standings remained the same after this weekend
look i dont know if your being sarcastic or not
but all i was doing was making an observation on how i would rather play UM & VT than Wake or CU off the bat
No, you're right.
We can beat Miami and still finish 5th, setting up the rematch. The scenario had slipped my mind earlier.
"Trick is right."
ok
i just thought it almost looked more appealing to be in the 5th spot rather than the 3 where CU will face most likely Wake, Maryland, and possibly Duke.
Seemed a lot less likely to make it from that spot rather than ours right now
What you say makes sense.
I initially thought to get that we’d have to lose, and I’d just rather win now and set up a harder tournament then lose and set up an easier. But it doesn’t have to be that way.
"Trick is right."
Evidently there was a memo sent out that Luke Loucks was one of our scoring threats.
“If they can get some outside shooting from Dulkys and Loucks, they will be a very hard team to beat”
Uhhh….How about Dulkys and ANYONE!?!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions
WV has them right where they want them...
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
10 points in over 6 minutes isn't quite what I'd call owning.
Nor is it a big lead. lol
"Trick is right."
If you are watching the game, they are dominating them on both ends of the floor
Despite what the score says. Its 17-4…Nova IS owning them
Dayton outrebounded Richmond by 20+ on Thursday night.
Can you believe Dayton LOST by like 5?
I believe you.
"Trick is right."
For those of you that wondered why Dulkys wasn't in the game against the press against Clemson
That should give you an idea. Ball handling
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions
Nice Pass from Snaer
Alabi still feels the need to dribble before going to the rim…
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions
Yep...I have a feeling we'll be sweating this one out.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
too bad. the canes are surely a team ready to give up
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
yes! Rated M for Mature
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
It'll be the only pleasant moments in an otherwise ugly game.
Please don’t make them take those shots away.
"Trick is right."
That girl doesn't need anymore cheeseburgers...
Looks like she’s had enough.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions
theres another water shot
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
5 minutes left in the half? where did all the time go?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I am with you on that one.I was going to wait until 1pm
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
got too early a lead and relaxed on D?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Wins: GT, Clemson
Those are the only two I care about and I don’t want either to win, but that’s what I think.
"Trick is right."
Woah...I'm not sure about that call. Even though it went against us.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions
foul? looked like a walk
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singleton: King of the Missed Bunny Shots
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
how so, forcing the 3-guard set?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Isn't there a rule that a team is only allowed so many kickballs per half?
Then they start becoming technicals? Or was that only in Rec League?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions
great way to end the half, Loucks!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
man, you aint kidding. 22 points
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Nice end to the half!!!
Loucks steal and layup! 30-22 HT score
by CelticPride on Mar 6, 2010 12:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
man alive our defense is really legit.
up 8 at half. Maybe Jordan replaces reid next year?
by Bud Elliott on Mar 6, 2010 12:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The PG picks up Reid's minutes?
Gibson will get more minutes. Kreft and James will be huge juco additions down low. Miller should get more pt than Jordan next year, imo.
"Trick is right."
WVU has cut the lead to 6 with 2 and a half to go.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions
I cant say I have. I have some Winter Wheat Ale from Bell's, a brewery up in Michigan. Not bad.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
really? didnt know they had such a footprint.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Isn't that the same company that makes Longboard?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions
10 TO / 9 A
Not awful. We are moving the ball on offense, just still some boneheaded TOs.
I was really hoping we had turned the corner a few games ago, where our TO% was hovering just below 20% (rather than the seasonal average of >25%)
Yup. Couldn't have said it better myself.
However, for how long have we IDed T/O’s as one of the largest achilles heels of FSU basketball. I’m as optimistic as the next guy, but I can’t say I’’m surprised we came out like this.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Having said that, if we don't cut our TO% down this 2nd half
This is going to be one of those vomitous 1-point losses for us.
luckily
we win most of our close games due to our D
by freshcollegeboy on Mar 6, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
My co-worker just asked about FSU basketball and Ham and that’s what I told him. We are in most every game good or bad.
Holy Crap!
You mean there are people out there who dont follow FSU athletics?!?!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Some are more egregious than others. Like standing on the baseline and receiving a pass. I don’t mind aggressive TOs, I guess it is what I’m saying.
I've taken it upon myself to grossly overhype Miller.
Have only seen youtube highlights, so this is more an opinion based on others’ write-ups than any firsthand knowledge…. but I firmly believe he is going to be the best 5-star in the Hamilton era… even though, at present, he’s still a 4-star by rivals. (So, basically saying his press clippings are more impressive than any of his predecessors’.)
You know, Kitchen should actually be playing the 3
Good rebounder, good shooter / slasher, a little taller than most 2 G
Hit the bench?
Our D wouldn’t be the same w/o him
He can be the energy of the bench but I was just offering an idea
Nothing serious.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Someone on warchant said the burger boys had already been named,
and Miller didn’t make it. Doesn’t change my opinion about his potential one bit, though…. let’s just say, if he was going to be a Devil or Heel, there’s no way the top player in NC doesn’t make it.
Im saying on another team
Kitchen’s skillset are best at the 3, but he’s forced to be a 1/2 on this team
singleton standing on sideline. turnover city indeed
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Chris Singleton makes me want to shoot myself in the face with a gun sometimes.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
You need to smoke some weed man.
Shooting yourself in the face doesn’t sound good.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't really do it.
Just yapping…I say the same thing about Korey Mangum
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
nice ball movement! reid for 2
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If Alabi played with Reid's tenacity...
He’d be a nightmare.
By the way, nice ball movement on that last series. We looked like a real basketball team!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions
Hey guys, did you know Reggie Johnson has a 300lb frame?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions
Ian Miller
A – Scouts and Rivals list him as a 4 star guy
2 – His counting report says passing and being a true PG are his biggest weaknesses
D – There were at least 4 other guys from NC ranked higher than him
I’ve never seen him play, so I really don’t know anything more about him than what I read.
This is not what I want to hear because we need a true point guard.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think DK will play the 1/2 nicely next year
TD didn’t really run the 1/2 well until his senior, IMO
In the final minutes of United Faith’s 84-74 win over The Greenfield School in the N.C. Independent 1A state championship Saturday, one of the three game officials walked over to press row and told N.C. recruiting analyst Mike Talbott that he had just seen the best player in North Carolina.
He told Talbott that he had seen all of the state’s top players, but pointed over at United Faith senior Ian Miller and said “he’s the best.”
I’m not arguing.
A year ago, Miller finished his junior year with a 40-foot dagger of a 3-point shot to beat John Wall and Raleigh Word of God. Saturday, he hit another buzzer-beating 3, at the end of the third quarter, and was virtually untouchable all game.
Miller, who signed with Florida State, had 33 points, 10 assists and four rebounds. He had alley-oop dunks and 3-point shots. He put on about as good a big-game performance as I’ve ever seen.
"Trick is right."
by tricknole on Mar 6, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The guy for Miami they keep on and on and on and on about.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions
thats my house. you like?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
youre right. i am selling
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Did anyone else just hear a "Tell the pool boy to get her ready"?
What the hell kinda comment was THAT?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions
He's almost like the Tim McCarver of college basketball
except not nearly as bad.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
"Scooter"
Is the worst thing to happen to baseball….. and McCarver LOVES Scooter
I agree 100% Rico.
Tim McCarver’s voice is like nails on a blackboard to me…
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta say, I'll take a three hour dinner with patrick over 5 minutes with mccarver.
mccarver is insufferable
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Maaan...our team is gonna be a nightmare for the ACC next year.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions
If we find our shooting stroke I think we can make the sweet 16 or even the elite eight
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Right...
I really think that if we can find someone to handle the ball and make at least halfway decent decisions, we can cut down a percentage of those….
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
This game is way too close.
We need to blow their a$$ out
We should be...with their leading scorer out...
I’m very surprised they have scored 42. Our D is slacking!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Great ball movement by Loucks/Snaer...
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions
I get it..."Ball Movement"...Like where your "Head" is at.
Very funny Boston, get your head outta the damn gutter.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
HAHA
I know you might question my sexuality after the Gus Johnson comment….. but I’m not THAT bad am I? HAHA
DULKYYYYYYYYS!!!!!!!!!!!!
have we really hit 11 threes?
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Did ESPN just highlight an offensive set by FSU?
Or am I already too drunk?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions
It's almost time for someone to start posting "lead safeness" %'s
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
Yup...
I am more lenient on the kid than most, but he’s GOT to get tougher if he’s gonna help out.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Stupid shots.
Stupid turnovers. Zero leadership.
I really thought miami was going to pack it in a few minutes ago
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I figured miami aint clemson
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I don;t
Teams play with heart. just look at the FSU/Miami games. No matter how bad one team is, it’s ALWAYS close.
You said rivalry games in general
and then only use FSU/Miami as your example.
In general, rivalry games can be and often are blowouts.
"Trick is right."
Absolutely not...I predicted this earlier in the thread, when we had a 10 point lead.
This is what we do.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
The thing though as a basketball coach you have got to have a feel for the game
If I were Coach Ham I would have slowed the game down even when we were hitting our shots.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Right...and I know there's a lotta Ham haters around
But turnovers and dumb crap have done us in this game. I don’t think you can blame him.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions
I dunno...
Today, the offense is shooting well, they’re running plays…
Case in Point, Alabi jumps on someone’s back with 4 fouls…I can’t blame coach Hamilton for that!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
You can't blame Hamilton for that.
But the consistently poor judgement and decisions by our players you can blame Hamilton for.
"Trick is right."
Isn't that what always does us in?
Even in some of our “close wins”?
We play like this nearly every game.
"Trick is right."
And that’s really the problem. It’s a coaching problem when it’s a season long issue. I still believe we spend about 50% of our practice time on defense and rebounding, free throw shooting, and offense get the remaining 50%. That’s not neccessarily a bad thing but you need a better offensive teacher if you are going to do that.
I would just like to be consistently good on offense.
Not great, just good. These spurts of awful play sprinkled in with few minute stretches of great play just isn’t conducive to winning basketball.
"Trick is right."
Miami has caught fire
We’ve missed some good shots and they’ve hit a lot of ft’s
by CelticPride on Mar 6, 2010 1:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
terrible jnump ball call
And Soloman then commits a stupid over the back
by CelticPride on Mar 6, 2010 1:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Another undisciplined performance
Why didn’t Ham call a dang TO to slow the canes rally?
Very annoying. Not the stuff of a tourney team.
No...
If we win our first round game in the NCAAT, I’ll be happy.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
No...if we win.
I’ll consider us a success. This team, that’s playing today, doesn’t belong there.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
We've taken 8 FTs and they've taken 22
Thats ridiculous!!!!
i guess we gotta win with D again
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
open three for miami doesnt fall. thank you basketball gods
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
GOD I love our Freshman STUD!
Misses a shot, then gets the damn ball back!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions
They've got heart and they've got talent.
Just don’t have the system to maximize results.
"Trick is right."
Now it's 15 secs
But only 5 on the clock
by CelticPride on Mar 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
1 basket or two foul shots for a tourney lock
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Great, so we need Ham to draw up a set play?
We’re screwed
you gotta be kidding me
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Ok guys...NOW you can start Blaming Ham. That was terrible
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions
No, that's called a freshman driving to the left of the basket and going up with his right hand
you HAVE to use your left there, no excuse
After he messed up doing that the last 3 possesions?
I love Snaer, I just think at that juncture – that wasn’t a good play call.
It was either him or Loucks doing that play
I’m just saying you have your defender to your right & driving to the left of the basket, you have to go to the left hand. That was on Snaer, completely. But I still like the idea of slashing to the basket, potentially drawing a foul, with one of your best slashers.
Yeah absolutely. IDK. I just don't like it in that situation I guess.
In general I don’t think we get to the basket enough.
I think what's being ignored is that
A) Snaer is a freshman. He’s clutch, but he’s a freshman
2) That’s the 3rd consecutive offensive possession which he had the ball in his hands.
D) Boston is right, if you are going to give it to the freshman, give him an out. Everyone else was just chillin.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what I meant by "the situation"
Sorry I wasn’t more descriptive.
Closing my eyes....
Seriously. Am just going to listen and do my breathing exercises.
"Trick is right."
did we win? what happened? where am I.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
JK it was them who hit it.
Horray for watchign slow illegal feeds.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Lets hope for the 7 to avoid playing a 1 seed
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
If we win 2 in the ACCT we will for sure.
If we only win 1 it just depends how other things play out.
If we lose our 1st game, we are an 8/9 lock, imo.
"Trick is right."
I think winning 1 should be enough to get a 7 seed... winning two gives us a chance at a 6 or a 5
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
If we beat Duke in the process then I think we do.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
but loses to the spread
If you care about that kind of thing…
Thought it was very good today schematically
we had some crazy turnovers but also some really nice plays.
That's not the scheme.
It might be coaching but it’s not scheme.
We had 2 steps OOB
2 tie ups
and 3 bad bounce passes into the paint (2 weren’t horrible Alabi needs to catch them).
I said it wrong
It’s execution. The game plan was fine. Frustrated with the offensive execution. That is what drives me nuts about Hamilton. Maybe it’s not his fault but I doubt it. It seems to be a constant issue.
I really don't understand how you can blame Hamilton...
How are we to know that the same stuff we run on offense doesn’t work well in practice, against lesser opponents, etc, but when they get in a game situation, they shat the bed?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
That’s Ham’s MO. Good defense, middling offense. Builds a good program base but is not likely to top it off, at least he hasn’t done that at any of his stops.
By your arguement we don’t know that that stuff is working in practice and you can hide a lot of flaws when you can out athlete other teams.
Right, and we don't know.
But schematically, it looked there was at least an objective to accomplish, at times.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't he win the Big East and get Elite 8 (or at least S16) at UM?
And jumped to NBA at their peak? Can’t say he’s always topped out.
I think he got to the Sweet 16. I don’t consider one year of a deep tournament run to be great. It’s something to be admired and something neither Miami nor us have seen in a while but it’s still just 1 year.
With that said,
how frequently would we have to make it to the Sweet Sixteen for you to feel satisified? Like once every 2 years, 5 years, 10 years?
"Trick is right."
If he won the Big East, and made a deep tournament run, that's topping it off.
And doing that at Miami is a borderline miracle. He left while they were on top.
If you spin your perception the other way, there is no reason to believe that a program he’s built will reverse course and deteriorate, either. Simple fact is that no one has seen how far he can take a program; he’s made a leap to the next step after each stop on the way.
Enjoying watching Wake seal this right now. #3 seed!!!!
There's definitely only so far Hamilton can take us.
Not sure how far that is. But our offense has regressed the last 5 years, at least according to Pomeroy, despite our defense improving. I can’t blame that on personnel, either. As I said, it’s over the past 5 years and many players have come and gone.
While I think Hamilton vastly underachieves in regards to the talent that’s on the floor, I’m fairly pleased with where we are currently at.
We should have 3 NCAAT appearances in the past 4 years. In 2007 the selection committee refused to take Douglas’ injury into account. We were 8-5 in ACC play with him (including ACCT) and 0-5 without. Three of those 5 losses were single digit losses. (We should actually have 4 NCAAT appearances in the past 5 years if Hamilton didn’t schedule the 306th ooc schedule in 2006 when we went 9-7 in conference also.)
We’ve won OVER 20 games 4 times in the last 5 years. Won 19 or more in 6 of the last 7. I won’t touch on our PATHETIC showing in the NIT. We’ve won the 3rd most ACC games over the last 4 or 5 years (no great years, unfortunately, just solid/good years). He’s put together seasons consisting of our 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th most ACC wins in school history. Only those Douglas, Sura, Dobard, Cassell, Ward, etc. teams had better seasons.
Great recruiter. Doesn’t bring in the best recruits, but considering the lack of tradition, our horrible recent history and the lack of a good game day atmosphere, he’s consistently brought in top 25 type classes.
Players seem to improve during their careers. He’s has 2 ACC POY Runner Ups. He gets players drafted (2 first rounders and 3 second rounders in the last 6 drafts). Is only poised to increase that number.
It just seems his teams rarely reach their potential. The results are definitely better. I think that’s almost entirely due to better players, not because he’s maximizing his given talent pool. This is the part that irks me. Many FSU basketball fans just look at the results I listed and think Hamilton is awesome and untouchable. I wouldn’t fire him, but he needs to show improved PROCESS. You know, that thing Fisher keeps talking about in regards to the football team. He wants results, but knows you can’t get them consistently without a solid process. I just fail to see improvement in process from Hamilton’s clubs. It seems like while it’s not ok for football to have poor process, it’s ok for Hamilton.
I’m not sure what he has to do to correct that but he has to do something. All 3 of our assistants actually seem like they’re pretty good at their jobs. Their resumes/experience is hard to knock. I’m not talking about that fluff stuff that Seminoles.com used word for word in all 3 of their bios, either, but their actual past work experience.
If Hamilton can’t improve our offense, and correct the seemingly multitude of dumb mistakes we make, there’s no reason to expect us to get past the 1st or 2nd round in the NCAAT.
"Trick is right."
I think we struggle with placement or spacing. A good deal of our TOs seem to come from a player slashing to the basket but with no out. Either he doesn’t know where everybody is supposed to be or people are not where they are supposed to be. Other than Kitchen hesitatin on most every pass or shot that’s about all I would change. We are very good at playing an inside out game when we spread the floor but you need more variety in your sets than just running that.
How big a luxury is it to have 2 functional 7 footers
Alabi on Bench, and Gibson gives the inbounder all kinds of trouble
just rewound the DVR...definite travel by miami.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I think 22 ft's to 8 ft's shows which way the whistle was blowing
It wasn’t like we weren’t taking it inside – But that’s being on the road in the ACC
10-6 in the ACC - 5-3 on the ROAD!
You can’t hate that!
And SAM I AM
Sam Cassell – I believe has more NBA championships than any other Nole…
More than Dave Cowens?
Or is that too old school?
by TEMPORARY LIKE ACHILLES on Mar 6, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I believe Cowens has 2 while Sam has 3
Cowens in 74 and 76 with the Celts, Sam had two with the Rockets and one with the Celts
not that I would know anything about Celtic basketball :)
I was a kid then, and that's when I started watching FSU basketball...
Rodney Dobard was my favorite player…Looking back that was weird.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I was in Middle School. really my first Bball experience with the noles.
Loved going to those games with my Pops
Hopefully enough to get a 7 seed in the South region.
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 6, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping for a little ACC tourney run
And a 6 or better seed – I want to avoid a 1 or 2 in the second round (should we get there)
boy, whatever you say about hamilton. 5 acc road wins is 5 acc road wins!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
+1
That loss still hurts…We had a good chance to go 11-5, and we blew it.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take the NC State loss as delivered from the basketball gods. The clemson lost is
the most angering. CS with two FT’s inside of two minutes to take a 5 point lead, misses them both.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
The final few minutes of each half we really screwed the pooch.
But we should not have lost that game. We held Clemson to 29 points in 34 minutes of play (outside of the end of each half) and lost.
"Trick is right."
FWIW
Miami got 22 FT’s to our 8 while we went 10-18 from 3-land – not how I had envisioned this win – but I’ll take it!
and who cares? we are dancing. thats all I care about
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
probably not
But I like that. I want to be in the weeds come tourney time. Getting ranked always seems to go to our head.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJe57FQykAQ
It might have been 90% before – now it’s 100%
Definitely...
What other FSU site is gonna have that!?!!?
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wow!!! Anyone watching this Nova/WV game?!?!/\
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions
Wife commandeered the TV.
She won’t let it budge from What Not to Wear. I am in hell.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
HAHAHA. I left myself out there for that one.
Notice that someone posted a picture of a shirtless man, and I didn’t get excited. Its only Gus’ voice that does it for me, other than that I am 100% hetero.
That's OK man...
We all have our man crushes…
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
After a very late night...
I woke up in time to see the last two minutes of the game. The two things that stood out to me:
- 10-18 3-point shooting (and still only pulled a one point win)
- the major discrepancy on free throws taken
So I’m left wondering it the refs were favoring Miami throughout or if Miami was just more aggressive throughout the game?
They'll be burning couches in Margantown tonight.
Which I suppose is preferable to burning cars in College Park.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
By the way guys
WVU wins over Villanova…
Never doubt Huggy bear…They’re an elite 8 team if I’ve ever seen one!
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions
that I agree with, 100%
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
Usually I dont like to pick em before I see the bracket
KU UK Cuse WVU Nova
Plus 3 others that impress me during the conference tourneys
All dependent on the bracket layout
UNM (as trick stated below)...I'll take Vandy over UT.
Also gotta watch out for one of those A-10 teams too
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Vandy might be in there too.
UNM is a hot pick as of late. Never seen them play though, which will hurt my bracket.
Steve Alford used to coach at Iowa
Good coach.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Syracuse
Ohio St, West Virginia…
Maybe Vandy/KSU
Hard to say until we see the brackets….really no good teams out west outside of Kansas/KSU, etc. Gonna be a little weird.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:52 PM EST reply actions
For now...
OSU
WVU
Cuse
UK
KU
A10 team (Temple or Xavier)
KSU or Baylor
And ??? for my 8th, maybe Vandy or UNM
"Trick is right."
oooooh. New Mexico
Big fan of Steve Alford. They get hot, and they could go far.
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I just really get impressed with WVU because of their mental toughness.
Down by a handful to one of the best teams in the country, and they fight back and WIN
by Randall W. Spetman on Mar 6, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions
Geez, just went to another FSU site's basketball board.
Bunch of pansy * apologists starting 30 new threads to call each other out. And they’re all so ill-informed.
"Trick is right."
Anybody know why Kitchen only logged 17 min? I can’t say I can much argue with the games that Loucks and Dulkys played.
Players Min FG 3P FT Rebounds PF A TO B S Pts
M. Snaer 33 2-8 1-3 0-0 1 3 4 2 8 6 0 0 5
D. Dulkys 27 4-7 3-6 2-2 1 1 2 2 0 1 1 2 13
L. Loucks 25 5-7 3-5 0-0 0 2 2 2 4 1 0 1 13
D. Kitchen 17 1-4 1-1 0-0 3 3 6 2 2 2 1 0 3
Marquette already screws my perfect scenario.
ND just punched their ticket for good. One less bubble spot for teams (cough uf cough).
"Trick is right."
allright Trick. VaTech beats GaTech, 88-82. You damn well better be right about that
“Perfect Scenario,” of yours. We are all Demon Deacons fans now. A #3 seed if Wake wins, a #5 if Clemson wins. Lets make it more exciting, shall we? KenPom has it as basically a 50/50 proposition.
Go WF!!!
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
and if I looking at it right, if Wake wins and we get the #3, we'll get the winner of the
NCState-Clemson game, which would appear to be the #6-#11 match-up.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
or, if Clemson wins and we get the #5, its a rematch with Miami in the #5-#12 game
on Thursday with the winner getting #4 Clemson on Friday.
All is not lost; the unconquerable will/And courage never to submit or yield.
I didn't get to see this game.
Glad to see we pulled it out. It sounds like it was a pretty ugly game to watch, and we were semi lucky to escape with a win. Now it’s on to the ACC tourney where we need to make a deep run in to give our guys confidence heading into the big dance!
Actually, I felt as if Miami was darn lucky to be that close at the end.
We shot .500 from the floor and 10-18 from 3. They took 22 ft’s to our 8. That, the 17-9 turnover differential and some pretty lucky Miami shots kept them in the game.
It’s an ACC road game. You should expect the refs to be in Miami’s pocket.
I still don't understand
why FSU doesn’t get the home-court advantage other teams get in the ACC. Do we not pay the officials enough? Is there an unofficial tip-jar that we’re missing?
I don't know our foul/ft rate compared to our opponents at home and on the road,
but I do know that when you have a soft center and your 6’9" forward that prefers the perimeter, you aren’t going to get as many calls as you would expect simply due to the nature of those two players.
"Trick is right."
Maybe, but that doesn't account for our opponent. Even with Singleton/Alabi's issues,
We’re still a lot more of an “inside” team than most. As far as I’ve been aware, we typically lead our opponents in points in the paint.
In general, we don’t seem to get the kind of favoritism other teams get at home. I always thought it had something to do with us paying our ACC dues, and Tobacco Road teams getting the payment… but 20 years and no significant variance whether we’re facing UNC, Clemson, or UMd, leaves me thinking officials just don’t like Hamilton.
(And, yes, I am aware I am refuting your point and making generalities without any data to back it up. Hopefully MattD isn’t patrolling this post any longer.)
As I said, I don't know the rates for us and other ACC teams, home or away.
I just know we should have less fouls called on our opponents than expected due to our personnel. Don’t really need to foul Alabi if you’ve bodied him out of his comfort area in the paint or if he holds the ball low and you or your teammate get your hands on it. Gibson is also a finesse big man and Reid usually gets played man up, so I’d think he’d be less likely to get fouled than if a 2nd defender came over to hack at his shot.
Have we paid our ACC dues? And what are our ACC dues? If it’s relatively consistently being good and making it to the NCAAT, we haven’t paid our dues. I think, if we were to do that consistently, and get some players with the mentality to attack the glass, we’d see more fouls called. And if we don’t, like we see during football season, then screw it.
"Trick is right."
Just watched the replay
Great great game by Loucks. I think he has improved more than any other player this season besides Snaer.
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