Florida State Spring Football Position Preview: Offensive Line
This is the fourth in a multi-part series covering the position groups as Florida State begins Spring practice. Florida State only lost 1 starter from its record-setting 2009 offense. That lone starter was WR Rod Owens. The 'Noles also lost only 2 backups in WR Richard Goodman and Guard Brandon Davis. Remarkably, FSU returns 11 of 12 starters and 10 of 12 reserves. With that returning depth, you might think that the Spring will be boring for the offense. Some off-season surgeries, however, will make things interesting and give the younger players a chance to step up and show their talent. So far we've looked at Quarterbacks, Running Backs, and Wide Receivers. Today we'll be looking at the offensive line. These guys are led by Rick Trickett, one of if not the finest offensive line coach in the country. In 2008 he took the youngest line in the nation (3 freshmen and 2 sophomores) and turned them into one of the better lines in the conference. Last season, he took that same group and made them one of the best units in the country. The 'Noles prevented sacks on 97% of passing plays.
If you weren't around these parts over the summer, you need to read Understanding Florida State's Offensive Line & Zone Run Game. Perhaps the most important takeaway is that the goal isn't always to move defenders back as it is to move them. That includes lateral movement which creates seams, a huge part of FSU's run game.
Inside, we'll take a look at what the line needs to do this Spring.
Also of note, Trickett coached the running backs after the Boston College game last season, as FSU effectively fired Dexter Carter mid-season. As profiled in the running back preview, the backs' yards went way up after the change. Here's three photos of interest:
This season, FSU returns all 5 starters and 6 reserves. The only loss was Senior Brandon Davis, who elected to graduate and pursue employment. The only way this unit can get any better is to become the best offensive line in the country. For Spring then, what questions are facing this unit? Surprisingly, there are a few.
Most of these questions concern players who will not be participating in Spring ball due to injury. Junior Right Tackle Zebrie Sanders had a hip procedure done and will miss Spring ball. Backup OT is Garrett Faircloth is out after undergoing hip surgery as well.
Backup Redshirt Sophomore Tackle Antwane Greenlee is still recovering from his devastating knee injury suffered last August, but will participated on a limited basis. Backup lineman Rhonne Sanderson had some work done in early January on his ankle and will also be limited. Starting OG David Spurlock will fully participate after having a minor knee procedure and backup Center A.J. Ganguzzais also cleared for full participation after having an elbow cleanout.
To put these off-season procedures in perspective, let's step back to 2009. FSU had three starting offensive linemen go under the knife! Left Tackle Andrew Datko had arm surgery. Doctors cut on Right Guard David Spurlock. Center Ryan McMahon had a procedure on his ankle/ lower leg. Big guys get surgery. It happens really often. Trickett's mentor Alex Gibbs addressed this in a clinic talk, saying something to the effect of
"almost all my guys get an off-season procedure. I don't want players who get hurt. I want tough players. Not saying I will play a guy who is legitimately hurt, but I don't want guys who stay hurt. My guys get their work done in the off-season."
No need to panic about any of these guys missing time. Most of the above procedures were routine and minimal. After end of any season, it's not uncommon for several players to undergo some routine maintenance. Especially those who play either on the offensive or defensive line. So let's discuss who will be playing Spring ball.
The Starters
It starts with All-American left guard Rodney Hudson. While Hudson won't win any body building contests, he is one of the best in the country. At 6'2" 290 lbs, Hudson has amazing feet. His incredible balance allows him to make sure he squares up the man he is about to block. Hudson does not whiff. He gets his hands on the inside of his opponents and keeps his feet moving. He could play tackle or center if asked and do so fairly well because of his great leverage and quickness. He should have his jersey retired after this season and will likely be a first round pick. Hudson is probably at the head of a nice class of guards including Ohio State's Justin Boren, and Michigan's Stephen Schilling. Watch how Hudson blows this Miami defensive tackle off the ball in 2008 (3:58). What quickness. Hudson needs to make sure he continues to practice at a championship level this Spring and be a good example for the younger linemen.
Next up is 6'6" 285 lb starting left tackle Andrew Datko. Datko was a 3* recruit out of Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas. Due to various injuries (shoulder and arm), Datko didn't put on much weight as FSU would have liked him to. But he has started almost every game at left tackle over the last two years- the most difficult position on the line. Not only has he started, but he has performed at or near an all-conference level. And he's done it with athleticism and tremendous technique, which bodes well for him going into this season as he is finally healthy and should be able to add more strength.
Last year, he protected Christian Ponder from the likes of Miami's Marcus Robinson (1), BYU's Jan Jorgensen (0), USF's George Selvie (1), Boston College's Jim Ramella (0), Georgia Tech's Anthony Egbuniwe (0), North Carolina's Robert Quinn (0), North Carolina State's Willie Young Jr (0), Clemson's Ricky Sapp (0), Wake Forest (0) and Maryland (0), Florida's Carlos Dunlap (1), and West Virginia. That's three sacks allowed by Datko against multiple NFL players including three first round locks over 440 drop backs. That's 99.4% pass protection! Put another way, Datko allowed a sack every 147 pass plays. He's a prime example of a guy who doesn't physically look like an elite player, but when judged by performance (how one should be judged), he's a stud. And FSU has him for two more years.
Datko is a likely lock for 1st team ALL-ACC and the only other tackle on his level is Anthony Costanzo of Boston College. Nationally he could be on the level with guys like Gabe Carimi of Wisconsin, Clint Bolling of Georgia, and Alabama's James Carpenter. And luckily for FSU fans, Datko is probably a lock to stay for two more seasons due to his need to continue to add functional size. When he does that, watch out, because I haven't seen a better technician than Datko.
The man in the middle for Florida State is Ryan McMahon. The 6'2" 285 lb Center has started every game for Florida State over the last two seasons and at this point, you know what you are going to get with McMahon. He will be good, but not great. And he is very consistent. If McMahon gets beat it is because the opposing player made a great play or is a great player. McMahon rarely makes mental mistakes or misses assignments. And he makes all the line calls for Florida State (audibles and the like). He'll probably make All-Conference based on name recognition even if his play doesn't justify the selection. Unfortunately, the media won't want to name three FSU linemen to the all-conference team, so his inclusion might push Datko down to 2nd team.
For Spring, McMahon needs to continue to add strength. And he really needs to become better at shotgun snaps. Too often they are high, causing the play to not go as smoothly as it could. And his work schooling the young guys will also be important, as the 'Noles will have some younger kids playing this Spring (but not in the Fall). How much he can improve is up for debate, but I don't know many who would argue with the idea that he is a good college center.
On the right side is the nasty guy of the bunch. Right Guard David Spurlock stands in at 6'5" 290 lbs. He's a true Junior and has started 20 games in his career, taking over for an injured Will Furlong in the 2008 NC State game. Spurlock is a strong kid and when he locks on to his target, he usually wins. He is the definition of a mauler. Spurlock will eventually play at 300+ lbs, perhaps as early as this season.
Even though he is already a good player, Spurlock has some things to work on this Spring. Technique and playing within the scheme are chief among his to-do list. Spurlock is so aggressive and so eager to hit someone, anyone, that he occasionally forgets to execute his assignment. As a result, he hangs someone else out to dry (usually McMahon or Sanders). Two of Christian Ponder's fumbles this year were a direct result of Spurlock's overaggressiveness. If Spurlock can harness that aggression and apply it while blocking the correct man on a more consistent basis, he has a chance to be really good. In particular, when Spurlock has a check responsibility (that is, when he has to wait and see if a blitzer will come), he often doesn't wait long enough before blocking someone else or helping with another blocker's assignment. He's been adding functional size at a good pace and just needs to stay healthy and continue to improve his chemistry with his linemates.
The Reserves
Up first is 6'6" 305 tackle Antwane Greenlee. Greenlee is either a double redshirt Sophomore, or redshirt Junior. But he has three years left to play at Florida State due to his injury. The question becomes whether he has officially been rewarded his medical redshirt or whether he is simply a shoe-in to receive the 6th year when he applies for it as a senior. Greenlee had a bunch of talent before his neck injury and has been hampered by the subsequent knee injury. Greenlee was a 4* recruit coming out of high school and some still think he has considerable ability. I don't have much opinion here because I haven't seen him play to make an evaluation. The ideal case is that he pushes Sanders for the next two years and then excels as a 6th year senior starter in 2012. Greenlee will be limited this Spring as he is still recovering from the aforementioned ACL tear so I don't have any expectations for him, only the hope that he stays healthy and can be a valuable member of the team.
Rhonne Sanderson is already a pretty good player. The 6'4" 290 lb redshirt sophomore can play guard or tackle, and despite being worked pretty hard against USF, can do both well. He has ankle surgery this Spring and like Greenlee, is expected to be limited. Sanderson has all the makings of a multi-year starter. He's a hard working kid and he does not get into trouble. Personally, I think he ends up at Guard next year when Rodney Hudson departs for the NFL. I can't make a Spring prediction for him because of the injury, but when he's healthy he is probably the best non-starter on the team.
At 6'2" 295 lbs, Henry Orelus is a really promising interior lineman. The 3* from Glades Central (by Pahokee) redshirted last year and has shown a great work ethic to work himself into better shape. Here's some high school film of Orelus. Give Rick Trickett a lot of credit for recognizing the athletic big man inside a high school player who frankly wasn't in great shape. There is some thought that Orelus can play center. That would be great, but if he cannot, he would make an excellent guard. Orelus projects as a likely three year starter in 2011-2013. I'd be happy to see him at a fit 300 lbs, continuing to improve both as an individual and within the context of the scheme, providing FSU with quality depth.
Bryan Stork came to FSU as a 6'6" 240 lb athlete who looked like a tight end. He had had a rough Senior year (his dad passed away), but Trickett liked what we saw. Stork is an excellent athlete with a wide frame and he should continue to add weight. Judging by recent photos, I would say he is about 275 lbs. I think Stork redshirted last year (or he might have played in the first few games then took a medical redshirt, in which case he would be a Sophomore with 4 more years to play (would have to apply and would get his extra year)). Stork is a tenacious blocker and a very high effort guy. You see it in his high school clips. Stork absolutely has the frame to play at over 300 lbs and will likely be a multiple-year starter for the 'Noles. There was some thought that Stork would be a center for the 'Noles, but this doesn't seem likely to me. Stork looks like an offensive tackle. 6'6" and eventually 305ish with long arms is not a Center. It should be noted that some of the best offensive tackles started out as tight ends. The 2008 draft had Joe Thomas, who was a 235 lb tight end coming out of high school. Last year we saw Baylor's Jason Smith, a former tight end as well. Both are $50 Million men because they retained their tight end athleticism while their bodies kept growing. Stork broke a bone in his hand (or his wrist) towards the end of last season, but appears to be healthy now. With Sanders out for Spring and Greenlee limited, Stork has a nice opportunity to see a decent amount of time with the first team.
A.J. Ganguzza at 6'2" 275 lbs is not a physically imposing lineman. But he's apparently a serviceable backup to Ryan McMahon at center. He'll be a redshirt Junior this season, and not much is expected of him other than providing quality depth in case McMahon were to go down. In truth, I would expect Hudson to shift to center and for Sanderson or Orelus to take McMahon's vacated spot should McMahon go down, but that is purely speculation on my part. Ganguzza got a few snaps against BYU last year, and looked decent enough. He's most likely set up to start at center next year in his senior season, but will be pushed. He seems to have the #2 center spot locked up and should only continue to improve this Spring. He needs to make sure the 2nd team guys work together as a unit and keep the intensity level high so that the defense gets the best possible look.
Blake Snider is a 6'4" 285 interior offensive lineman. Snider did get to play a bit last season, but he's likely going to get his medical redshirt for an injury that is yet to be determined (sarcasm). Snider is the son of a football coach and has good size. He's in the mix for a backup guard spot and he may be able to play center.
As a final note, the offensive line really subscribes to the "work hard, play hard" idea. They could probably cut down on some of the play hard business, particularly during the season. This is already one of the better groups in the country. But they have the potential to get a whole lot better. To do so they'll need to cut down on the drinking and continue to get bigger and stronger.
Also, for those of you who have been on the message boards for a long time, you've undoubtedly run across 3Noles3. His young son is in the hospital and if we could all keep him in our prayers that would be great.
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you forgot about Zebrie…Good right up though, I cant wait for Eddie Gran’s RB’s to plow through some big holes left by the Oline.
He's hurt
This is a Spring preview, so I didn’t discuss the two guys missing Spring ball (Zebrie and Faircloth).
Great Find Chip!
Can you dig one up with him harvesting gators, on a recruiting drive with Coach Hudson where he’s oblivious to the road, or him arriving at a recruits home on his Harley?
How can yu not rec this? Brilliant.
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Another great write up FSUn
First off 3Nole3 I wish you and your family the best. Now on to my opinion of the line. I totally agree that Hudson is head and shoulders above everyone else. I think he will add some weight in the off season and will no doubt be a 1st round lock. Center is the position he will likely play in the NFL based on his size and it is a joy to watch Hudson’s masterful footwork and leverage. Spurlock and Datko are no slouches either on the o-line and Spurlock in particular could turn into a monster. Datko is just as solid and I doubt anyone even gets close to threatening his starting job the next 2 years. McMahon I’m not as high on, but he gets the job done. It would be a shame if McMahon gets 1st team and Datko gets 2nd team all-ACC. It is not even close on who is the better lineman. The non-starters I am interested in the most are Sanderson, and of course Foose who just came in this year. All in all this unit is solid. I think Trickett unfortunately continues to interview for head coaching jobs each offseason and I don’t think he lasts 3 more years. It’s a shame really because he has turned this group of kids into one of the most solid and dependable units on our team. 2010 could be a banner year for awards for this unit and Hudson will put the cherry on top with a first round selection come 2011.
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there isnt a bigger Rodney Hudson fan out there than me.
But you cannot imply “first round lock”, especially if he’s a center in the NFL.
by The K-Man on Mar 8, 2010 10:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Appreciate the kind words.
I think this is a weak offensive line class for the draft in 2011 unless some monster Juniors emerge. Hudson as a first rounder helps recruiting.
I bet Trickett is done interviewing for serious HC jobs. He’s getting up there in age and is very well paid. Plus, his family is now in Tallahassee and his son is on the team.
Ok ok
K-man I concede “lock” is a strong word. I do think he goes in the first round and I can guarantee he won’t last past pick 40. Barksdale from LSU and Carimi from Wisconsin are the only other 2 offensive lineman that will squeeze in to the first round. Typically tackles are taken, but recent history shows teams are picking guards and centers in the first round. On film Hudson looks to be a future NFL star. Walter Jones is the FSU lineman standard in the NFL and Rodney has a chance to continue that history. In terms of Trickett FSUn I think his kid going to FSU might affect his decision to leave. Still I think he wants a HC position badly it’s just whether someone gives him a shot.
Striker: "Surely you can't be serious!" Rumack: "I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."
Our 2011 line could be something like
LT Datko SR
RG Spurlock SR
RT Sanders SR
C- Ganguzza RSSR or maybe Orelus RSSO
LG- Sanderson RsJR or Orelus RsSO
with lots of upperclassman depth as well. Exciting times.
I agree
This position is so deep and talented it makes my head spin. Also next year’s recruiting cycle should bring in some more talent as there are some real gems in high school getting ready for their senior years.
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2010 and 2011 Class OL
Don’t forget about some of the OL that we have coming in for the 2011 class. Some of those kids have plenty of talent. More talent than some of the youngt ones that we have on our roster now.
Yeah
next year we have Pettis from Deland and that kid from Navarre with the pornstar name….Sterling Lovelady. Also I think there have been hints that Werner might be switched to the offensive side of the ball as well. I hope he stays on the defensive side personally as this unit is the deepest and strongest of any position at FSU.
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Thanks SWFL
I know that had been tossed around, but I like Werner and his work ethic on the d-line side of the ball. He’s a my sleeper for this year’s class and I think he turns into a good ballplayer.
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Another great write up
3Noles3, I’m sending all my best for the little guy to get better, keep your chin up.
FSUncensored, I have to give you credit, you have made the plain old, vanilla position of offensive line one of my favorites in football. The insane amount of small things that happen on a line that change the game in so many ways just blows my mind. For too long, I had just viewed them as, pick a guy and block him….if another guy comes close to you…block him too. Thanks for the education on the position.
As for the work hard, play hard. it reminds me of when I was in the military….playing hard blew off the stress of the job. However, I think if they could get these guys mindsets on the NFL and the obscene money they could make by putting max effort into everyday of the season, we could see an offensive line not seen at FSU for a decade.
For too long, I had just viewed them as, pick a guy and block him….if another guy comes close to you…block him too. Thanks for the education on the position.
That’s not a bad philosophy to have actually.
Second DiabloNole
Becoming a member of this site has truly been educational and made football that much more enjoyable. Also, the fact that you have been right about what was wrong/right with FSU football has made me seem like a genius prognosticator to many friends who don’t read TN. Sending psychic beer refills your way!
Also, here’s something cool for those into trench warfare:
http://www.draftassist.com/a689695-legendary-trench-players-team-up-with.cfm
+1 here too
TN has made me the crystal ball man with the crew….lol…i was always a baseball/basketball guy(what i played) but i have learned so much about the nuances of football this last year i’ve been reading:)….thank u to all the people who work hard on this site. u are gods amongst mere mortal fodder.
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by metalheadnole on Mar 8, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure you have this bookmarked FSUn
but if not here’s a good piece on zone blitzes. Might help with your zone defense article.
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No prob
looking forward to the article and blitzes need to be improved next year for sure. Looking forward to Stoops philosophy and use of this important phase of the defensive game. Anyways this is about the o-line. Keep up the good work.
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Yep
Thats basically Zone Blocking in a nutshell
"Its called the Veer"
by EducatedSpear on Mar 8, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'll say thanks too
For a while, I was wondering about Trickett. I knew he had a different philosophy than most, and would take smaller guys. There were times in his first couple years that our running game disappeared, there were some memorable no-scores inside the 10, etc. I also vaguely remembered highly-regarded WV teams getting trounced by some of the “big boys” (though I couldn’t remember if that was pre-Trickett or not).
But since I’ve been coming to TN, I’ve come around. I’ve been reminded that Trickett had so very many FRs and SOs starting, that he had to rebuild from scratch, etc. My current understanding is that while he may take smaller players, he’s got an eye on their frames and that ideally they will be bigger after a couple years in the system (as back-ups; starting those FRs and SOs was’t ideal!), and that they are overall more athletic. Also, I didn’t realize how much the RB coaching was lacking. So, thanks TN (esp. you FSUn; you also wrote the zone blocking article, I think) for helping me get a better grasp on the OL and on Trickett.
BTW, let me say again how excited I am to see this new staff and team in action next fall. I realize some caution is warranted (the D has a way to go), but I think we will see real improvement. We lost three games by 7 or less, lost to USF by 10 (with several missed opportunities in the red zone)… sure, we also WON several close games, but we are very close to wracking up the Ws. And regardless, I think we’ll see overall improvement with or without more Ws (process not product, right?).
The third picture...
…that shows Jimbo and Trickett talking to JT and Pryor, is that Dex standing in the background?
Sure looks like him...
That’s a little uncomfortable if it is… lol
Also, was Zebrie left out on purpose?
To avoid another huge discussion in the comments about “he’s overrated…he’s not overrated…”?
the most polarizing figure in Tomahawk Nation history
“Zebrie, or not Zebrie?. That is the question.”
-Prince Hamlet
by The K-Man on Mar 8, 2010 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dont forget The Chi
or NextLevel
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
Polarizing would imply that some people agreed with him
I don’t think many would lay claim to that
>>---l>
His logic was so corrupt that he, himself, tipped the scale.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"
Heck, people can't even agree on a pronunciation of his name.
Zerbrie
Zebrie
Hear announcers say both all the time.
"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
Great article. And also, thanks for the Understanding Zone Blocking link.
I really enjoyed the hand drawn Xs and Os from the Bob Davie ESPN article. One thing that I did not understand from the Davie article plays, was the fact that in the zone blocking scheme, the one OL who is not double teaming in his “zone”, is the Center. The Center is required not only to deliver that ball to the QB, but to also be the only OL to block his man/zone one on one, even if the DT is one those "freaks’ who were discussed in the piece.
You probably explained this long ago, but if there is a fairly quick answer, I would appreciate a primer.
In that example, if I remember correctly, there isn't someone over him.
But if there was, it’s probably outside zone. Meaning we’re only requiring him to step playside and make sure the man doesn’t cross his face. He doesn’t have to drive him anywhere.
Centers do double team, just not in the diagram he laid out.
Thanks for answering.
I am confident that have a lot on your plate, but my question arose because in the schematic, the Center has a man over him , the play is to the right, and he has double teams on both sides of him, both toward the play and on the other side. It is the first schematic shown. I will let you get back to your life now, as I will return to what passes for mine, but if you could take a look at it at your leasure, if such you have, I would greatly appreciate it.
Are the Guard, Center, and Guard all covered?
Here, the problem is that you can’t double the backside guard and center because that tackle cannot get that that tackle controlled without the help of the double team. It makes more sense to double the TG than the GC together with that alignment.
Thanks.
Thanks. I get it.
I remember when Denver started running the ball well and the color analysts started talking about smaller more agile linemen as a new way to make the run work. However, I don’t remember Madden, the master of explanation, or anyone else ever talking about no penetration and no negative plays as the base philosphy of zone blocking. I will go back now to dwelling in the margins and soaking up the great stuff that you guys put out.
I didn't mean to type the "are they covered" in the title line
I wrote that before I went and looked at the photo.
I remember teams b**ching
about Denver’s use of Cut blocks also. They are legal though so they had no reason to complain. I have noticed certain instances of this in college on a play, but I do not usually see more than one or two linemen using a cut on any given play. I would not mind though. Not only take away the rush, but get into the head of opponents.
This might be the best writeup yet
regarding the Spring Position Previews. Really enjoyable read, and as per usual, enlightening. I feel like I can almost hold my own when I hear someone talking about offensive line play based on reading this haha.
Anyway, since you say you ask(I will continue to preface any editing possibilities since I dont want to appear smarmy), I noticed:
Two of Christian Ponder’s fumbles this year were a direct result of Spurlock’s overaggressive.
ness?
Bud, another excellent preview as we have come to expect and sometimes take for granted. Thanks.
As one with a degree in sarcasm (currently working on my masters), it really irritates me when I don’t understand or follow a attempt, especially when clearly annotated as in your example. Are you implying he is injury prone or lazy? Will you please expound? I must know.
Snider did get to play a bit last season, but he’s likely going to get his medical redshirt for an injury that is yet to be determined (sarcasm).
>-----:----:------>Spear 'em then Scalp 'em
The Med hardship rule is incredibly easy to take advantage of the.
Allows you to play a young kid and still RS him, provided his PT is early in the season.
They aren't sorted
But if you want to go through the game logs you could find them.
http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2009-2010/teamstat.html
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