I would expect if the Def staff is as good as advertised, you would be Top 40-50 after 2010.

Expecting anything more than that would not be wise, you cant fix years of bad teaching in 15 spring practices and a month in August.

And everyone is sure the former staff’s “teachings” have been purged. And if the defense does well, it will be the constant storyline just like our freshman o-line was every game two years ago.

Pretty fun I’d say.

Though some of those coaches could really coach and were fired/ left for other reasons (strip clubs, selling info to boosters in a secret newsletter, etc).

Less resources and more in-state competition. Bama can dominate in-state recruiting (Gadsden City etc) and then poach from other states like FLA, GA, and Miss. Not to mention pay top dollar for an A1 staff

A punt at the right time might lead to better feild position, a lead in a game can change the way you play defense and limit what you’re opponents can call. And yes it might lead to a turnover a game as well.

Things should snowball with a punt here and turnover there, and then there will be noticable jumps on the scoreboard of many games.

you’re killin me ahhhhahahahaha

too funny…sad… and def rec’d!!

I wonder how many one-time defensive coordinators are coaching on the same defense.

Massaging the quote to get to a TWSS

With a year under his belt I think he will be good. I’m glad we are playing them early so he won’t have more experience attacking zones. Hopefully we shock their Oline though. Since we are their first non cupcake on the schedule hopefully they are not quite prepared to face true D1 dlinemen and make enough mistakes for us to capitalize on.

Where venting happens.

whenever that happens.

If they saw it coming, they’d be more intimidated by our patented High Energy Scheme.

Duh.

:)

Hypocrite.

/sarcasm

seeing a ton of arm tackles and whiffs, they were trying to wrap up….. Never really saw anyone load up and then miss. Just out of place.

Granted, most of the players who were robbed of competent instruction played on the offensive side of the ball and the defensive coaching was at least acceptable for all but the last few years, but it’s pretty clear that many of the players who made it to the NFL did so on physical talent alone.

Doesn’t that cover what you just said? Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough.

Does that mean Lorenzo Booker would have been banging Kim Kardashian?

FSU did not rob as many players as you think. I would respect those players ten times more if they ended up doing something despite the uphill battle. But why are fans making excuses for why our players didnt perform? The players arent complaining, they know it was their fault.

Their fault for not realizing FSU was going to give them poor coaching?

I still feel as if the talent was as good as it was said to be they would of risen higher regardless of the coaches. We had the highly recruited kids throughout "the lost decade" and alot of them did go on to still play big time ball. We watched the games, we saw the players and what we didnt see were the coaches on the field running the plays for them…. Because they cant.

All of the work done on this shows that FSU was far and away the biggest offender of squandering highly rated talent. This idea that the coaches don’t play the games is illogical and you know that.

Everyone is sold on Jimbo and all of the saban-ites. I am a show me believer. We have no clue how this year is going to turn out. Jimbo was on staff and calling plays during some of our worst years. Everyone is hype now but dont act like most of us didnt go… "really? he hired who on the defensive staff?"

Fisher took the offense from a complete cluster to one of the best in the country…

The Bowden brothers…. Everyone complains about them and the special treatment (such as myself) they received. Guess what? Jimbo hired some of his good friends so I hope he knows how to properly juggle that. But I have faith that he will be good and with the athletes we bring in at FSU, we wont ever be down for long.

Proven, young coaches who are hungry to coach.

As someone else already said, stop using "the lost decade". We have been lost the past four years. And really the defense hasnt been too bad except for the last two to three years.

Lost decade is a great term to describe how badly FSU underachieved over the last decade.

On paper with our coaches and players we should be undefeated in 2011 and in the acccg for 2010. Thats on paper….. Thats if our coaches are as good as hyped to be. And if the players are truely buying into the scheme or just waiting on a paycheck.

No, they absolutely shouldn’t. That doesn’t make any sense. Give me your percentages for each game going into this season.

p.s. Im a big stat guy because since our lapse in the NC I build up on ammo to show to the casual football fan how good we were are and have been. But some of the stats you guys bring up are ridiculous lol. When I say ridiculous, I mean they are 100 percent meaningless to anyone outside of a FSU fan base and matter nothing to the day in and day out of college football.

Ridiculous? Like what? Or do you mean you don’t understand them and are afraid to ask.

This is one of the best examples I have ever seen of writing a bunch but not making a single point.

The landscape of college football changed in the early 2000s, yet would did not change or adapt until just recently. We were able to ride the coattails of past success for the first few years of the decade, but even then it was apparent that something just didn’t seem right.

Tell that to the Ken Pomeroys and Aaron Schatz of the world.

and since you’re such a stats guy watch the W-L column over the next 2 years.

I would respect those players ten times more if they ended up doing something despite the uphill battle.

So you are saying that it is the players’ faults for not excelling in the face of everything being against them? Sub par scheme, sub par S&C, and sub par player development is a very steep mountain to climb. What team has players that overcome all of that? Don’t you honestly feel that expecting that is a bit extreme? It also is extremely telling that with the exception of Tennessee, no team that recruited like us performed as badly as us.

Guess what? Jimbo hired some of his good friends

The biggest difference is that Jimbo hired friends who were doing a good job at similar positions. Jody Allen never coached the position before. Carter had no coaching experience either. Bringing them on board is very different than hiring Hudson and Craig.

p.s. Im a big stat guy because since our lapse in the NC I build up on ammo to show to the casual football fan how good we were are and have been. But some of the stats you guys bring up are ridiculous lol. When I say ridiculous, I mean they are 100 percent meaningless to anyone outside of a FSU fan base and matter nothing to the day in and day out of college football.

Yea I need an example of this one. There is a difference between a stat you don’t understand and a stat that is useless. Adjusting offensive or defensive stats based on opponent isn’t useless. Breaking down the difference that forcing one more punt or field goal could make isn’t meaningless. It is just different and deeper than tossing out PPG or YPG.