Jimbo Fisher Not Replacing The Legend Version Of Bowden At Florida State

I go there for a laugh all the time… the best are the guys that write on the Gators, mainly Jim Folsom who has never used one shred of data or evidence in any of his articles.

If I were him and this was e-mailed to me, I would find a new job.

Why do so many people act as if the last 10 years never happened?

I agree with you about the article (He’s just filling up space) I do give Fisher credit though. He knows that these types of comparisons will come up. Pretty quickly folks will remember the glory days much better than the mediocrity at the end. Also, the “Head Coach in Waiting” situation had to be difficult. I give him credit for being brave enough to step into that. He must really want to be at FSU and he must really feel that he can be successful here. (Lucky for us!)

Has this guy (the Charlotte Observer reporter) even watched a FSU game the last 10 years? Nice response Bud, we need to keep pointing out stuff like this because unfortunately there are still some FSU fans that feel this way too.

I never took the time to check our record against UM & UF in the 2000s. 5-16 is just Cleveland Browns like awful. Yeesh

Being that we have such a unbelievable source of fact based information on our program, we are able to rationally see the real FSU through its lost decade until now and beyond.

However, that is not what most people want to read. They love the sensationalism of random inflammatory statements, or the quoting of extremely slanted stats with no context. There is a large majority of college football fans that just want to hear what they want to hear. I was on a plane trip to San Diego and sat next to a guy that blasted FSU for letting Bowden go and hoped we lose every game for 10 years and the stadium would crumble and blah blah blah……so I ask, who do you pull for MINNESOTA. I asked why he hated FSU so much and he said that we ruined a legend’s career…..not Bowden himself but FSU and its fans.

I hope that everyone doesn’t believe this will go away once newspapers go away, it will only transition to the internet where every tom, dick and harry can make ridiculous statements or blogs similiar to the article.

The defense is less established, but there’s a veteran defensive front, and Bowden spent much of his final two years rededicated to recruiting.

I dont care that you already highlighted this; it needed to be done again. Your entire article could have been posting this, and picking it apart for DAYS. Instead, you obliterated everything.

Its funny, reading his article gave me the opposite reaction of what he probably wanted. Did anyone else feel like we dodged a bullet? I mean, I think we all know how good Jimbo is, but do we know how incredibly lucky we are? IMO, e only reason we got Jimbo is because the administration thought he would be another lackey since he had Bowden ties. Similarly, we took some legacy kid, who lets be real here, they didnt care if he panned out; some kid named Ponder.

So we hire some flunky, and it turns out to be gold. Wow, the steaming pile of crap our team might be if we didnt get incredibly lucky. That revelation is alarming. We could be in a worse position, with no hope for the future. Thank God for Jimbo Fisher.

That said, Jimbo & Stoops are both replacing the biggest legend at their 2 spots in CFB history.

In terms of legends leaving at the top of their games, my recall is as follows:

Bear left after the 1982 season. Last time he’d won an SEC title was 79.
Hayes wasn’t at the top of his game, not if his last game was the Gator Bowl. Ironically, Earle Bruce would go undefeated in his first year (1979) and have a shot at the national title.

Royal wasn’t at the top of his game in 76. Texas won five games, if I recall. And Akers had the Horns playing for the national title in 77.
Mike Davis didn’t replace John Wooden, Gene Bartow did. Bartow won the national title in his first year, 1975. Davis replaced Bobby Knight, would beat defending national champ Duke (who had all their players back, mind you) to go to the Final Four and lost the title game to Maryland.

I think that Coach Fisher is going to do a fine job. I really do. But it reads as if you’re backtracking, such that if things don’t go swimmingly, you’ve got an out to save face.

The heat will be on, not just for results. But aslo in terms of how Coach Fisher goes about his business, handles the media and boosters, etc. But so far as results go, reality is, many, many coaches have had monster seasons right out of the gate. The ones you named certainly did, as did Meyer, Stoops, Carroll, Saban, Lou Holtz, the list actually goes on and on.

The schedule is managable from a conference perspective. The toughest divisional game “should” be at home against Clemson. And there’s a good chance they’ll be replacing their QB as Parker is expected by many to be drafted high enough in June to warrant taking the money and running.

We’ll see what happens. No matter what, it’s an exciting and interesting time to be a Nole.

I really don’t understand what Tudor is talking about here. How is “going the coach-in-waiting route” such a huge gamble? Any coach can come in and flop. Do you think anyone thought Charlie Weis was going to flop at Notre Dame? How about Spurrier and Holtz at South Carolina? Bowden Jr. looked like a sure thing to Clemson to help them own the ACC. Franchionne at Alabama looked great until everyone realized (including him) he was not the right fit. Does anyone really know if Kiffin will suceed at USC or Tuberville at Texas Tech? You don’t know if a coach with a proven track record in one location can make it work in another.

Imagine if we had not had Coach Fisher on board to begin resuscitating the program when he did. We would have had two losing seasons before the administration would have pulled the program away from Bowden and hired a new coach. Two more years of sliding into mediocrity and leaving the cupboard bare for Bowden’s successor. We would have to hire a true marquee name to get talent to quickly come back to FSU and that would have been very expensive. And then, it could have been a flop.

Instead, Coach Fisher hits the ground running and picks up the #6 recruiting class in the nation. He pulls the trigger on firing/hiring coaches he needs. He knows what to expect from the players on the roster and where he needs to recruit. He knows the lay of the land with the boosters. Hell, he knows his way around town!

So, while the coach in waiting may present its own set of problems, it is not the deal with the devil Tudor would have us believe.

Sum up my opinion of this article Bud…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9K8txc4MMk

This man can probably get away with such glaring errors in his writing. The local seminoles will just be giddy to have an FSU article to read, and this amateur will live to see another day. I would recommend keeping an eye on this Tudor fellow and I’ll suggest applying the appropriate amount of pressure when the next opportunity rolls around. Hopefully his editors will take wind of the comments section and he will be held ACCOUNTABLE for his job performance. You couldn’t miss the irony if your name was Tudor…

The preface needed to be added, glad you did…

It is not something most of us don’t already know but I never get tired of hearing it. It is good to keep focused on the things “really were” while moving towards the season. I am frankly looking for some revenge this. season.

Quite frankly the last thing I expect is for Fisher to fail. All that is needed is a defense and could someone please tell me exactly what coach could have put together a better defensive staff, strength and conditioning coach than what Fisher has now? Let me help you out not many.

The 1.8 million are so Fisher is paid is not a fortune by today’s standards. We must consider BB was paid 2.5 million for failing. That is a small fortune for doing nothing but call parity. I don’t think you will ever hear Fisher babbling about parity.

There are of course some good young coaches around like Sarkisian over in Washington but I doubt any of them are more media savy than Fisher. He handles himself very well from a public relations stand point as well. Of course southerners are not supposed to talk that fast. He is an enigma in that area.

You say BC physically whipped FSU, in the pouring rain and yet, if 5 holds onto a gift wrapped pick, FSU probably wins the game.

You also fail to mention that BC’s third coastal opponent is Virginia Tech. I submit that by getting to play BC, at home, in mid-October when it could be 90 degrees, at least makes up for getting to play Duke if you’re BC.

Is it your position that in 2010, the favorite in our division should be BC? Really?

There is one thing that stands out here. This is the difference maker for the entire season. If somehow FSU can go out to Norman and pull this off, Jimbo’s stock soars. The key boards of clueless sports writers would fall silent.

The outcome of the Oklahoma game is the difference between a good season and a mega season.

Fisher’s fate will be among the closely watched and discussed college football topics this season and beyond.

Unfortunately, that scrutiny will come from writers and analyst who have an outsiders perspective and who lack a true understanding of the events that have transpired for the past 8 years, and really don’t have a clue to the extent of the damage done and the stagnant position taken by the previous coaching staff which led to our irrelevance in the CFB world.

Even more unfortunate, some of the scrutiny will also come from our own fellow Noles who will never accept the fact that the time for Bobby’s resignation was a couple of years past due, and will always believe that Bowden was treated unfairly when he was given his ultimatum, which fortunately for us, his ego did not allow him to accept.

That is why whenever I am presented the opportunity, I will always debate with anyone who states that Bobby was forced out. I will counter that he RESIGNED when faced with a stripped down Head Coach position, which he declined, and again which was the best possible outcome of a sorry situation that our program was faced with. However I will not beat my head against a wall trying to make these “fans” understand my POV, because it simply isn’t worth my time or effort.

Lastly, I REC coonhound’s post above where he argues that what makes a legend is his whole entire body of work (paraphrased).

Bobby Bowden is certainly a legend, with no other qualifications. Same for Mickey Andrews. There is no need to qualify that by saying, "…but the game passed them by and they sucked in their final years."

That is the only exception I have with this rebuttal to this so called “article” by Tudor, being that Bud’s POV is that Fisher was not replacing a legend due to the last few “lost” years. But this is not point I wish to debate, because we are all entitled to our own opinions as to whether or not this was the case, and not really an issue in the grand scheme of things. At this point, I just want to keep moving forward, without rehashing the past.

But make no mistake about it, our very own Bowdenista’s and uninformed fans and Boosters will unfairly have Fisher on the hot seat for the immediate future. This is unfortunate and I know most of us are hoping Jimbo has our Noles coming out on a roll, and our W/L record improves yearly, so that we can slowly but surely shut done these idiots once and for all.

Will be directly a result of his own recruiting and hiring of assistants when he was OC. There would certainly be no logical room for optimism if the current staff had been left to run the show the last three years. This is something that seems to fly over the heads of various so called sports writers. This kind of pap is another reason among many as to why newspapers are falling on hard times. Why would anybody pay money to read this kind of tripe.

mentioning our tough schedule and trying to qualify us losing next year isn’t a sound football argument. I’m not a fan of this ‘our schedule is hard, expecting to win is illogical!’ theme tomahawk nation is running with as of late. I mean I understand a brutal schedule is tough to get through but IMO thats what differentiates the Gators from the Noles right now. They win regardless of who they play, we don’t. I realize your attitudes don’t reflect that of the actual team’s and you’re downplaying success for ‘reasonable expectations’ purposes but throughout the history of competition, participants/leaders/fans of winning teams always have the same attitude: losing is unacceptable. Period. UF? We should expect to win (you don’t lose to UF 7 years in a row, that should be unacceptable regardless of situation). OU? We should expect to win (who took our last National Title away from us?). If anyone says ‘oh thats unreasonable’, the last I checked ‘fan’ was short for ‘fanatic’ and competitive fanatics aren’t known to settle on any reason involving losing; thats called an excuse. When Jimbo says ‘I think we can get this turned around rather quickly’ he doesn’t mean in 4 years, he means within 2. He knows what he has, he has them ‘buying in’/getting the right guys recruited, etc. All I’m saying is I’m expecting a great year next season and any Nole fan who doesn’t or is fine with losing to UF/OU is more a statistician, less a fan IMO

www.thebestdamnpoll.com and would like to link this article. Would that be ok?

This is very well done, and I’m amazed how many folks draw conclusions based on cliche’ instead of researching their subjects. I CONSTANTLY see this: “FSU will be horrible next year because their offensive line is garbage and Ponder won’t have time to ….”

I’m amazed at how people still think this is 2007.

I’m a competitive person so expecting to win is the winning attitude, hoping to win is simply what the loser did. I believe the difference between an Alabama now and an Alabama 2 years ago is that when they walk into a game, they KNOW they will win, not just hope it happens. Their process and time spent in preparation added to their ability to out perform opponents means that their mentality is simple: they will obliterate you on that field and there is not a thing even God’s second son Tim Tebow can do to stop it. The only problem I have with saying ‘well logically we’ll lose a few games next year’ is that although true, not walking into every game prepared to see FSU blow the other team out takes away from being a fan IMO. I’m not saying ‘oh if we don’t win a NC in 2 years Fisher is a bust!’ since that is illogical for any fan, I’m only saying that to not at the beginning of every season believe that FSU can do it is just as foolish. I understand most of you guys are trying to utilize logic to analyze FSU football and I respect that, I just never liked the people who’ll say ‘Oh there’s no way we beat Florida next week’ since stats/logic would state we shouldn’t

replacing Bobby “The Legend”. It was Bobby. Damn shame he tarnished his legacy with nepotism and by staying around a game that had passed him by.

but i love it when you pour salt in his wounds (probably cerebral)…

Also, “time clock” seems silly. What else would the clock be doing?.

I run into it on message boards all the time. It’s become a college football cliche.

The fact is, Bobby Bowden followed his own legend.

will last until we resume national prominence. Until then it’s and easy story for lazy writers.

That picture of Jimbo is tripping me out. Is the pen flying out of his hands, is he performing magic? Also, the contrast with the pen makes his finger look effing huge.