Schedule Matters: ESPN's Heather Dinich takes notice of ACC Schedules
I know I've discussed this at length, but it is good to see other media members catching on. BC might be the 3rd best team in the Atlantic Division, but their conference schedule is why they will likely be co-favorites with FSU for the division. Remember that FSU, BC, and Clemson play the same opponents within the Atlantic division.
Boston College -- Virginia Tech, at Duke, Virginia (likely 11 combined ACC wins)
Florida State -- at Virginia, at Miami, North Carolina (likely 14 combined ACC wins)
Clemson -- Miami, at North Carolina, Georgia Tech (likely 17 combined ACC wins)
2011
FSU-- Miami (always), UVA, & @ Duke (likely 11 ACC wins)
BC-- @ VT (always), Duke, and @ Miami (likely 13 or 14 ACC wins)
Clemson-- UNC, @ VT, and @ GT (always) (likely 17 ACC wins)
Totals for 2010 + 2011 Coastal Opponents
BC's opponents: Likely 24-24 Conf record
FSU's opponents: Likely 25-23 Conf record
Clemson's opponents: Likely 34-14 Conf record)
And for 2012
FSU's opponents: Duke, @ Miami, @ VTech (likely 13-11)
Clemson's opponents: @ Duke, VT, GTech (likely 13-11)
BC's opponents: @ GT, Miami, VTech (likely 17-7)
2011+ 2012 Coastal Opponent's Likely Records
FSU's opponents: 24-24
Clemson's opponents: 30-18
BC's opponents: 30-18
2010+ 2011 + 2012 Coastal opponents & likely conference records
FSU: 38-34
BC: 41-31
Clemson: 47-25
Having Duke and UVA really matters if you are an Atlantic team. And if you don't capitalize when you have them it's a 4 year wait until you have both again. Clemson should have done more in 2007 and 2008. Probably the right move to fire Tommy Bowden.
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Finally.
In 2011 we get UVA & Duke.
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in 2011,
BC gets @ VT (always), Duke, and @ Miami
Clemson gets UNC, @ VT, and @ GT
We have a very nice two-year window here.
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And if we can win enough games this year...
maintain current momentum, by the time we get a tough Coastal schedule, we will be a bear for them regardless.
Really, just need to get through this season with enough success to stay on this pace.
I was thinking the same thing.
Hold down the fort this season and really show and prove in 11 and 12. Will we have a handle on our OOC schedule by then or is it too soon for Fisher to remove the unecessary games?
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by Jamil Dawson on Apr 29, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. 2010 is all about survival while 2011 is about kicking ass.
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Bud, that sounds like music!
A. I think we have a decent shot of going 9-3 next year here’s why:
Samford 99
Oklahoma 60
BYU 90
Wake 86
Virginia 85
Miami 65
BC 70
NCSt 79
NC 74
Clemson 65
Maryland 79
Future Repeat Fulmer Cup winners 26
= 8.78
2. Perhaps my optimism is related to Fisher-Aid induced intoxication, but after the unpleasantness, the sound of 9-3 is the equivalent of Salma Hayek asking if I’d “like a quickie?”.
D. I think we will see a vastly improved defense (especially in the area of fundamentals) that will have to contend with: a. a brutal schedule ii. depth issues d. size issues
Heather Dinich. I know a lot of people rag on her (most of which, rightly so), but I can’t help but think, “is she really that much worse than the deluge of shitty journalism that I’m bombarded with?!”.
by mountain renegade on Apr 29, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I admire your optimism
I question your picks having a 30% difference between BYU and OU and Clemson. The difference between those two is enormous.
I just can’t see FSU being less than a TD underdog in Norman.
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twice as likely to beat Oklahoma in Norman than UF at home?
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I originally had UF higher, but deducted points for...
…well, just god damn bad luck. I think we will stomp BYU like a narc at a biker rally. As far as OU, I think Ponder will light them up and our defense will need to hold them to 31 to cover a 3 point spread. Perhaps I am mis-guided, but I think Clemson’s D will give us more problems than OU’s.
by mountain renegade on Apr 29, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the math...
Oklahoma had the #4 D last season; FSU was #92.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I'd kill for that type of optimism,
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by Randall W. Spetman on Apr 29, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I believe we can win,
however, “can” means “have a 27.5%” chance to"
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I think I set my OU game at 30
So I guess I am slightly more optimistic than you.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Apr 29, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I went 32.5%
My guess is that they will have a top 30 O to go with a top 15 D, while we have a top 5 O and a top 55 D
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It is largely based on the idea
that if our offence is running on all cylinders, our defense only needs to slow down our opponents. Learning to tackle correctly doesn’t need to take seasons. Poor tackling has been a thorn in our collective asses for a long time. I also propose that size and mental toughness (or the lack there of) will be less of a problem this year. These guys have, and will continue to go through, the college football equivalent of boot camp. I do realize that our problems of defense go way deeper; and that there won’t be any quick fixes for learning a new scheme and lack of experience/depth.
by mountain renegade on Apr 29, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't see us being able to stop their offense.
I think our DL will get killed, and our lack of depth will hurt us.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Apr 29, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo. I have high hopes for our 2011 DL
Our 2010 DL? We shall see.
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 29, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We should have DT's that can command a double team,
which can take some of the pressure off of our under sized DE’s.
by mountain renegade on Apr 29, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Shiity DE play changes my OU pick to 5%.
by mountain renegade on Apr 29, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This year?
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 29, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
300 lbs does not a double team require.
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It depends on the 300 lbs...
There are a lot massive people at the mall, that most of us could block. When you add power and technique, it’s a different story. I was actually thinking of Jacobbi (@290) and possibly Amp.
by mountain renegade on Apr 29, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. Maybe not.
I honestly don’t know. But having 300 pounders to work with is a lot better than having none. Obviously.
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With the losses of Ponder, Hudson, and Bradham (likely)
a downgrade in schedule is exactly what we need.
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I bet you the 2011 team is better than the 2010 team
2011 ACC road games
@ Clemson
@ BC
@ Duke
@ Wake
If we’re going to get our 2 division rivals on the road, it sure is nice to book-end them with @ Duke and @ Wake
Home games for 2011 are
Miami
NCST
Maryland
Virginia
It is early, but I think I lean closer to 7-1 than to 6-5 in the ACC for 2011.
2012 is
Clemson
BC
Duke
Wake
If we’re going to get our 2 division rivals on the road, it sure is nice to book-end them with @ Duke and @ Wake
Home games for 2011 are
@ Miami
@ NCST
@ Maryland
@ VTech Virginia
Miami has a new QB in 2012 and 2012 is the year we see the canes drop off again IMO.
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What are your thoughts on the O-Line for 2012?
Are we in good shape, or do we need to make this a major focus of recruiting for the next year or two?
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I think we are good but not great
I completely understand Trick Daddy wanting to wait until this year to take a bunch of recruits because he wasn’t going to get the talented recruits without first showing he could produce all-conference and NFL players at FSU, which he has now done and will continue to do with McMahon, Hudson, Datko (2011) etc.
I do think we take 5-6 linemen this time, however.
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 29, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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I only wish I could rec this more than once for using Trick Daddy .
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by Jamil Dawson on Apr 29, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Stay away, Chris Hansen.
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I see it in schedule but the loss of Ponder, Hudson, etc. on offense concerns me
I’m not the believer that schedule is the largest factor in how well a team does. I think it is a factor, but not to the extent that others do.
The fact that EJ has yet to go through a spring concerns me for 2011. I was certainly encourgaged by his play against Maryland and West Virginia. But we simply can’t have him continue to get hurt every spring, and especially not spring of 2011.
Maybe that’s balanced out by being better on D?
What if we played North Texas 12 times? Schedule is the 2nd most important factor in college ball because it varies so much.
Our team is only half of the equation. The schedule is the other half.
Didn’t EJ win the Gator Bowl MVP against WVU?
Why would you assume he will get a fluke injury for next Spring?
We know EJ played with a shoulder needing a cleanout and that it hampered his throwing motion.
The jump in defense between 2010 and 2011 will be much bigger than the jump from 2009 to 2010. Every example we’ve seen of teams with new DCs reflects this.
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Nothing will happen to the SEC or ACC until like 2015 because the SEC schools will not split their TV contract from 12 to 16 teams
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SEC contract
Is there an out in their contract at 2015? Both their CBS and SEC contracts are for 15 years so there should be 13 years left. Or are you saying 2015 because that is the earliest the ACC would have new teams in it?
by osceolafan850 on Apr 29, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess you posted that while I was typing.
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The SEC contract goes until 2022 or 2023 doesn't it?
And if the Big Ten announces definite expansion beyond 12 teams this summer, wouldn’t it be wise for the ACC to try to grab some quality eastern schools before the SEC gets out of its contract to try and prevent poaching from the SEC?
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You might be right. I heard 15 and assumed it meant 2015
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Deals run through 2023-2024
http://paidcontent.org/article/419-espn-will-pay-225-billion-for-some-sec-rights-report/
It is the only advantage the ACC has in the expansion talks imo. Expand a little bit, hope FSU gets back on it’s feet and then strike a new deal or get a network going.
by osceolafan850 on Apr 29, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPn already regrets the deal. I guarantee the ACC won't get 70% of what the SEC got (adjusted for inflation)
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Oh I agree
I heard best case scenario right now is 50% of the yearly pay out. But the SEC missed the future by not forming a network. With them tied up with CBS and ESPN until 2024 that gives others a shot to get networks going. Americans like live events and love football. They both are cheaper to air than scripted programming and generally rate better. That is the reason ESPN shows bullriding, softball, women’s bball and poker. That fact is why I wouldn’t complain if the ACC covers most of the eastern seaboard as long as they start a network. Even if we only get 2/3 of what the B10 makes off their network it would be better than what we get from Raycom imo.
As for ESPN, they must have not been paying attention when people explained what a bubble was in class. It was crazy of them to buy in when the SEC was at an all time high and expect worth to stay at that level. The numbers and history suggest that titles will be won by the other power conferences. The worth of the SEC is so high right now that it has nowhere to go but down.
by osceolafan850 on Apr 29, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What will Fisher do with OOC scheduling?
I know he wants to bring it down a few notches, but does he really mean FU and a bunch of patsies or at least throw in one other half-decent team?
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We already play 4 top 25 teams typically from the conference, + UF
and the UF game is the best OOC game in the country because of the media pub we get from it being the last game of the season.
I expect UF, 2 D1 patsies, and a 1AA. You MUST PAY FOR YOUR WINS.
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We're talking about Sunbelt and Mid-America teams, right?
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by Randall W. Spetman on Apr 29, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Anywhere, anytime...
Bring on the Sunbelt and Mid-Americans!
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
MAC has a Big-10 deal, but yes. Sun Belt, Was, Conf USA maybe
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Personally, I say we pick up South Alabama.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Apr 29, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that's smart. We should make you AD.
They need the money being a start up program and we need the win.
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by Jamil Dawson on Apr 30, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone actually seen BC's 2010 schedule...
including non-conference games?
Weber State
Kent State
Virginia Tech
Notre Dame
North Carolina State
Florida State
Maryland
Clemson
Wake Forest
Duke
Virginia
Syracuse
That is so weak, it actually pisses me off…
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
It's genius
I wish we played that.
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No kidding. Especially since the idiots will see a W against Notre Dame and forget how easily achievable thats gonna be next year.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Apr 29, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
fixed.
That is so weaksmart, it actually pisses me off…
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by Randall W. Spetman on Apr 29, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
alright i know we are still months away from the start of the season
but regardless we just have WIN no matter who we play. We all can try and figure it out with all types of stats and percentages. But regardless of who we play we need to be the better team for the entire freakin game for once. No more of the lets play a half of football and then come out flat in the second half and have to try and scrap our way back into it with like 2 minutes left in the game. Am i the only one that feels this way or am I just tired of looking at all these numbers? I honestly believe that we have turned the blinker on and are in the turn lane, but we have yet to make the turn. The turn will be attempted in Norman.
Thank God for the men and women who stand tall in the night to protect this great country we love so much
I hope we don't base our season on the outcome of one game
we’re likely going to miss that turn. But there are many ways to get where we want to go.
I don’t think it’s always a motivational issue at half. Sometimes in the first half you throw rock and the other team throws paper. Then at half you switch to scissors and the other team throws paper a few times before they throw rock and by then we’ve caught up and it is too late. Or the reverse.
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 29, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The OU game will be the first test
But it’s basically meaningless as far as our goals for next year.
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