Florida State Improved In 2nd Spring Scrimmage But Still Has Much Work To Do
Info in quotes comes from the Seminoles.com press release. Fisher had some great comments to Andrew Carter (video) that didn't make the press release (which is often filled with fluff). Absolutely check out the Andrew Carter link. Both the offense and defense made plays today. That is what happens with a good football team. A good defense will take advantage of young quarterbacks, and considering the defense held Secord and Trickett to a combined 42 yards on 6-16 passing and 3 interceptions, that is exactly what they did. The first string offense lit up the 2nd team defense, per usual, as Ponder had a ridiculous 17 yards per pass (and should have had even more if not for 2 drops. He was 7-11 for 188, with 2 drops and one overthrow of Bert Reed on a deep post). Fisher was not happy with the receivers lack of focus (drops, assignments, routes, sloppiness), and at the end of practice (4 minute drill I think) he ran the ball 10 times in a row (and scored) to show the wideouts that FSU can function without them (Datko referenced this in his comments). And he told the media he would play the guys who play the best, even if it means freshmen.
The defense is adjusting to all the new information being thrown at it and judging by some of the comments and statistics, the defense gave the offense a lot more looks today. Those looks include corner blitzes, zone blitzes, and multiple fronts (including some 3-4).
"It was an improvement on last week," Ponder said of the scrimmage. "I think we definitely improved."
Fisher concurred, though he still sees plenty room for improvement before the Seminoles hit the field inside the stadium next week. "I thought the defense made a lot of improvements today," Fisher said. "I saw a pass rush, some pressure, making plays in space. Greg Reid had a phenomenal day making plays in the secondary...
"Offensively, I thought we had some holds and things that hurt some drives. We overcame them."
Fisher definitely was not happy with the offense, which is still very much his unit, but he had to be happy with the defense at times.
Scoring was sparse over a stretch of six series of straight-up scrimmaging. Quarterback Will Secord led the unit on a seven-play scoring drive which included a 13-yard pass to Jarmon Fortson and a 20-yard gain by A.J. Alexander, culminating with Alex Jones' 44-yard field goal against the first-team defense.
Alexander got some first team reps in the slot today. He has excellent speed.
Ponder and the first-team offense countered with an 11-play drive, leading to Dustin Hopkins' 26-yard field goal as the second-team defense. He completed 3 of 5 passes for 54 yards, including a 35-yard pass to Willie Haulstead, as the unit overcame a pair of holding penalties and a sack.
Haulstead, however, fueled some of Fisher's fire (as you'll see later on) with some unacceptable drops.
Reid's 35-yard interception return for a score came on the first snap of the second series against the second-team offense. The rising sophomore jumped an out-route pass from Clint Trickett and raced untouched into the end zone. Later on the same possession, Reid took a Secord pass away from Haulstead for his second theft.
"His instincts are incredible," Ponder said of Reid. "He goes and makes plays and he loves the game of the football... He's everything you want in a football player."
"He broke on one or two. One we threw in a hard corner which was just a gift. It was bigger than a Christmas gift. However, he made the play and that is what he supposed to do. Fortson miss-timed one in the end zone, but Greg made the play, and a few others he fought hard for. I think he made around four picks today. He is playing very good, solid football. Greg got the Picks, but I saw Xavier Rhodes make a lot of plays, I saw Ochuko Jenije make a lot of plays, I saw Allen do some things as well."
Suffice to say, the battle for both cornerback spots is anything but over. 2 of Reid's picks came in scrimmage time and the other 2 were situational. The above comments reflect the process v. results idea. Interceptions are results, but you can play poorly and get interceptions (as FSU's defense did last year). The defense is focusing on proper technique and assignment football and they get picks when they play that assignment football correctly.
The lone offensive touchdown by the first-team offense was set up by a 34-yard pass play from Ponder to Lonnie Pryor and a 27-yard run by Ty Jones. Tailback Chris Thompson finished it off with a 1-yard run behind center Ryan McMahon and right guard David Spurlock. Two Ponder to Bert Reed passes, totaling 94 yards, were for naught when Hopkins was wide left on his 48-yard field goal attempt.
I don't understand how 2 passes totaling 94 yards lead to a 48-yard field goal attempt. Here's Ponder on Reed:
"Yeah he had a very good day. I missed a deep post throw to him. I think it could have been pass interference, but they didn't call it. Overall he is doing well. The thing I am proud of is he is starting to become a leader. He is starting to become dependable and know what he is doing. That's exciting. He is a guy that is quick, has great speed, and can be a great weapon for us. I am happy that he is becoming dependable, becoming disciplined in what he is doing, and he is getting better."
I discussed the need for Reed to become a leader in the Spring wide receiver preview, and it is great to hear that he is doing just that.
Second Scrimmage Statistical Highlights
Passing: Christian Ponder 7-11-0, 188 yds (17.1 per attempt); Will Secord 2-7-1, 21 yds (3 per attempt) ; Clint Trickett 4-9-2, 21 yds (2.3 per attempt).
Rushing: Lonnie Pryor 3-19, Chris Thompson 6-27 (1 TD), Jermaine Thomas 3-21, Ty Jones 5-33, Tavares Pressley 4-12, Debrale Smiley 4-25, Brian Fixelle 6-17.
Receiving: Bert Reed 3-105, Lonnie Pryor 2-42, Willie Haulstead 2-39, Jarmon Fortson 1-13, Ja'Baris Little 1-8, Rodney Smith 1-6.
Defensive highlights: Greg Reid 2 ints, Kendall Smith 2 tfls, Xavier Rhodes 1 pbu, 1 sack; Brandon Jenkins 1 sack, Markus White 1 sack, Vincent Zann 1 int, Ochuko Jenije 1 pbu, Justin Bright 1 pbu.
Coach Fisher's Quotes:
"On the defensive side, I noticed Nigel Bradham making plays out there. He made two or three great plays today that I haven't seen him do a while. I thought their (defense) progress was good. Offensively I thought we had some holes, a few things that hurt some drives, but we overcame them. We still have a lot of work to do at wideout."
Fisher's comments about the wideouts on Andrew Carter's video were much more revealing.
Which running backs are standing out?
"Lonnie Pryor, consistently day in and day out in everything he does ... is a really good football player. There is no doubt, head and shoulders right now, he is the best pure football player. I think Chris Thompson did some things, I saw (Jermaine Thomas) do some things. I saw (Ty Jones) make a couple runs. ... Lonnie is Mr. Consistent, day in and day out."
Pryor is an excellent football player. Notice Fisher says "football player", which I read as "he still doesn't fit the base scheme much but does everything else so well and we love having him on the field."
How about Christian Ponder's progress?
"Solid day, but it is hard to function when you have knuckleheads out there running routes. We also wanted to keep trying to run and do some things, but he led us on a nice two minute drive. He hit two or three big plays. Hit a nice post to Bert Reed for about 40 or 50 yards. Underneath he was okay, he is still not his normal self, but it was another solid day."
Fisher was livid with the route running today.
Cornerback Greg Reid:
Jimbo said the defense had a big day. How did you feel?
"We had some mistakes. We were not perfect. Coach Fisher can say we were good, but Coach Stoops knows we didn't do everything we are supposed to be doing. He knows what we are supposed to do at every position, every step, every moment, so I think it was just an okay practice."
Talk about making the big play. You're a guy who just makes his name of the big play.
"I am just doing my thing. My defensive line and linebackers are the one's starting it off and I am just finishing it. That is what I do and just how I play football."
Was it a good sign for you guys overall to play better this week. Other guys were making plays too. That is the hallmark of a Florida State defense.
"Yeah we just have to get better every practice. Come out here and do what we do. We have been coached up all week, and this is what this scrimmage is for."
Are things slowing down for you?
"From last year things are slowing down a lot. I can make plays, jump on anything. Just by me knowing where the linebackers are lining up and by where the safety is behind me is helping a lot."
Are you better suited for this zone scheme?
"Definitely. I like it better, but we still have a couple of robber or man coverages. I like it but I also have to get better at technique. I like it as a 5'8" corner to get a jump on a 6'3" receiver, but everyone has their zone. Linebackers have their zone, defensive ends have their zone, everything just works out.
Glad to see Greg being humble, saying the right things, and knowing why plays happen. I'm sure the coaches told him "you didn't do a damn thing on 2 of those picks.", and Fisher said as much above.
Also, like I addressed above, this defense is way, way multiple. Probably much more multiple in its first year than I expected. The game of college football, and with it expectations, are changing. Previously held notions about how much scheme could be implemented in a year may prove to no longer be correct.
Also, with the great size of the linebackers and the somewhat undersized d-line, it makes sense to zone blitz a lot.
Andrew Datko
"When it came to the hard part of the scrimmage, we (offense) took control and drove the ball down." (By running the ball over and over again).
And that's pretty much it. FSU will resume practice on Monday.
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It sounds like Reid has a good grasp of the defense which is great. I was a bit afraid he would struggle to grasp the defense and be relagated to a nickel back his whole career. That could still happen but I’m less worried about it after hearing those quotes. He seems like a fundamentals focused player, which should take him far.
Agree about Reid.
He said, “(Coach Stoops) knows what we are supposed to do at every position, every step, every moment, so I think it was just an okay practice”. It looks like he has bought into the idea that if he is where he is supposed to be in the scheme, the scheme will pace him in position to make a play. This comes on a day where he did make plays. This makes me feel hopeful about Reid and even more impressed with Coach Stoops.
Stoops must be drooling over Reid
I doubt he’s had his type of speed/play-making ability the entire time he was at Arizona.
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Zone blitzing
I remember saying a year or two ago that we should really zone blitz since our ends were really LBs anyway. I guess it was one of those things MA was too old school to do, but we could kill with it since White and Stevens could do a decent job of playing zone on a limited basis.
I know the D shutting down 2nd and 3rd string QBs doesn’t sound like much to some. But just google UM’s spring game and see how they were shredded by their 2nd, 3rd and 4th string QBs. Not saying our D will concretely be better than the Canes, but our boys appear to be playing better than we thought they would.
We did it some
I could call zone blitzes. But I’m not a ZB expert and wouldn’t know how to coach the finer details and thus it would look like shit (like many of our ZBs did)
This might be one area where having smaller DEs could increase our schematic options
White & Jenkins are crazy athletes. Definitely not a liability to have patrol the underneath flats / curl routes. Mister Alexander would be great in this kind of package as the Jack LB. He has incredible 10-yard dash speed.
If they have to defend for that long a ZB is in trouble. I think a bigger person is better. They aren’t dropping very deep and they take up more space. I don’t see how a smaller DE is better unless you blitz like we did last year and not actually get to the QB.
Smaller DE
would be better if the QB gets off a quick pass to a HB or fast TE. That early in the play most players are heading backwards if the zone is 3-3. A DE who can run and tackle in space could be the difference between a 2 yard play and a 6 yard play.
by osceolafan850 on Apr 3, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
White
is at best an average athlete. Jenkins and, perhaps, Stevens would be good here
White
White can run, he just didn’t have the technique to play his position.
by osceolafan850 on Apr 4, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Didnt Mr. Alexander have some issues with making tackles.. speed is great, but can he make the play?
Was he ever coached on where to be to make a tackle?
He seems like another instance of talent being wasted by a lack of quality coaching. Let’s make conclusions about his abilities only after we know he’s received capable coaching.
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Glad to see Jimbo getting on the receivers.
Someone needs to light a fire under their asses. These guys have so much talent and potential, but they need to realize it. Good to hear G Reid had a big day as well.
WOW
I am impressed that we were able to just man up and run the ball down the throat of defense. Terrible that we are still so inconsistent with the WRs. I thought we were making some progress.
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Fisher is a perfectionist. Ponder was 7-11 with 188 yards. He overthrew Reid on a huge post route, missed an underneath ball, and had 2 drops
We don’t want ANY drops, but 17 yards per pass play is really, really good. They had to be doing a lot right.
Thanks for the balancing statement.... I think people want to plung to their death every time Fish says something negative.
It’s not that he’s not truthfull. It’s just that he is going to needle the little things always. That’s the Saban in him. And that’s what he should do.
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Is there any excuse for the WR's at this point?
Haven’t they been in the system for a while?
Has Dawsey proven to be the weakest link? Is he too nice or something?
Seriously.
Tell our enemies: "Justice is coming."
Part of it is that we're young and it's spring ball
But I do wonder if Dawsey is on a 1-year leash, so to speak.
I think our wideouts play really well for the most part.
He just wants to challenge them. If the OLine, Ponder, RBs played great and the WRs played good, he’d be on the wideouts. He won’t get on the baby olinemen or the backup qbs.
We’re also missing Easterling, and graduated Goodman and Owens. We’re playing Smith (2nd year), Haulstead (2nd year), and Alexander (1st year at wideout).
I think he’s done a really nice job. Every team drops balls. We just to make sure we
Also,
process v. results.
They produced really well today. But Fisher wants them to produce for the right reasons.
I think it is about challenging them
WR, number wise, may be the deepest position on the team, with four or five freshmen reporting at the position this summer/fall. Fisher may be just trying to light a fire under them, reminding them that the coaches won’t hesitate to put a freshman who’s ready out there, nor will they hesitate to run behind a very seasoned line with the bevy of running backs FSU has.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Apr 3, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
The wideouts need to be challenged. Dawsey got a lot out of the receivers last year. I believe all of them except Fortson (We all have an idea why) performed up to their capabilites last year. However, they shouldn’t be allowed to rest on their laurels when we have five freshmen coming in fall camp who are hungry for a spot.
Besides, in Fortson and Reed we have two projected starters with NFL potential (I disagree with Bud’s assessment of Reed. If Lance Moore can work his way into the league as a slot receiver and return guy undrafted, Reed can too with improved route running and consistency) at the WR position and missing our most consistent guy (Easterling) so they SHOULD be held to a higher standard. These are the guys our WR class will be taking cues from in camp
by westcoastnolefan on Apr 3, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Until the defense challenges them on the field
The coaches will challenge them from the sidelines
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I think we have been conditioned to look for horrible coaches
It seems like we, as a fanbase, are always about to get into a coach as the weakest link. Some say Dawsey, others says Haggins. I think we have just been conditioned to look for the worst in our coaches, much like we were conditioned to expect a loss or two in games we should win. Personally I think everyone on our staff is quality, but things are still going to happen. People will miss blocks, run wrong routes, blow coverages and miss tackles. But the frequency of it happening will drop, excuses will no longer be accepted and if it continues then they won’t play.
Can someone explain to me
What it is about Pryor that doesn’t fit our scheme? Like what is expected that he isn’t built to do and what does he excel at that isn’t a necessity in our offense? What offense (like what team) would he fit the scheme well?
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by AMFKNole on Apr 3, 2010 7:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The thoughts were/are
That he isn’t a 1 cut kind of runner. Doesn’t make the reads he needs to in the zone scheme. It isn’t about speed.
>>---l>
Yes this is correct.
Our base scheme relies on our RBs to flow to the hole, then make 1 cut just as the hole opens then burst through. Lonnie struggles to be a 1C runner, which is why a lot of his runs aren’t in our IZ/OZ stuff. His big plays come on passes and option stuff usually.
He is so darn good at everything else besides 1C that it is truly an asset to see him on the field.
365 days, until I change my ways.
So he's more built to just run the a hole then I take it, like in an old school offense
That calls running plays based on the hole a back is supposed to go to. Got it.
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by AMFKNole on Apr 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
run TO a whole not "run the a hole"
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by AMFKNole on Apr 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Demps
Couldn’t have adapted to our scheme? Sorry, had to throw that one out there
by westcoastnolefan on Apr 5, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the ACCOUNTABILITY
That can’t be understated … ALWAYS room for improvement
by Cigar City Nole on Apr 3, 2010 9:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry to say
I will be cheering for the defense next week. Sorry O!
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It's actually Brian Fixelle
He’s a walk-on RB who’s been with the team for, I believe, 3 years. At only 5’7 170pds though, he doesn’t have the size or speed necessary to make a real in-game impact.
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is that the kid with the blonde dreads?
i have played flag football against him and he can absolutely fly
I haven't seen enough of Lonnie to really say
Last year when he was in it seemed he was taking a pitchout wide or catching the ball out of the backfield. I know the guy can block and he has about 4.5 forty speed.
I think what some are inferring here is he doesn’t have that explosion in the first five yards and the ability to cut back into a crease in the zone scheme like a Thomas, Thompson or Presley. That is alright with me also as a big back he also has the ability to run over the first guy who shows up which the others don’t have so much of. It is kind of a trade off the way I see it.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Agreed.
I think he’ll be fine.
On the whole, it sounds to me like they’re getting much better. Bud makes a good point about the receivers being better than what Jimbo’s comments would suggest. Nothing wrong with demanding more of them, of course, but statistically it sounds like they did alright.
Very pleased by what we’re hearing on the D, too. Gonna take a few years before they’re a real force to be reckoned with, but simply getting sound on fundamentals would’ve been enough to deliver a much better ‘09-’10.
by Drew J Jones on Apr 4, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Fisher's comments
Trying to read between the lines on Fisher’s comments after te scrimmage. We all knew that the question on the Offense would be the WR’s, IMO he is telling them it is time to step up. This last week of practice he wants them to show themselves.
The Defense weak link would be the DE and DL, his comments that the First Team Offense could run 10 straight plays at the end shows the 2nd string DL needs to start developing.
I think of it both ways:
That the Offense is going to be scary good…good enough to cover the Defenses lack of consistency.
The Defense need only IMPROVE enough to give the Offense say, 3 to 4 extra possessions a game. I think they can do that.
Personally, I think FSU is going to kick some MAJOR butt next year. (saying a lot- I am a card-carrying FSU Doubting-Thomas)
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Apr 4, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see a deep threat receiver.
Hopefully, with our running game getting on track we can really open up on down field threats. I can remember the last time we had a consistent downfield threat. I mean Greg Carr was ok but he really didn’t have the Randy Moss speed. Im thinking this Christian Green will be that guy from what I have been reading about him.
Can you give me an instance when we had a guy get past the safeties?
I watched other teams do it on our defense and I was like why can’t we do that. I already know our defense was bad. My point is, I can’t remember the last time any of our QBs htting our WR on a fly route or deep post and our receivers running for a TD with it. I might be having a brain fart. I do however think we do a great job at making the defense play every zone. Just not as much of the deep zone as I would like. Thats just me.
Owens tied the longest play in FSU history last year, lol
seriously though, we stretched it pretty regularly last season
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I'm SOOOO not worried about the offense as long as CP7 stays upright
It would just be nice if Haulstead or Smith can step up and support the starting wideouts in case of injury or if J-Man has a case of the ‘divas’ and needs to have his sense of self importance challeged a bit. Hope he’s on board and commited to the fullest
by westcoastnolefan on Apr 4, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how much they are going to let CP7 run this year.
He is an excellent runner, but with arm and with him being able read defenses I am thinking that part of his game will be limited by JF.
Jimbo will still run him
Have to make them defend 11 guys. He does need to learn to slide, though. He also needs to learn how to pitch the football on the option.
>>---l>
Make the defense prepare to defend all 11 guys
Ponder running is a big part of our offense
365 days, until I change my ways.
He did bulk up pretty good this offseason.
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by disturbednole on Apr 4, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Owens
Bert Reed against NC State
Ideally, you should never let a guy get behind the safeties. That’s usually the result of a safety mistake.
Or, off of play-action. And rarely did we have the chance to crush with PA since, well, we were almost always losing.
We did hit a ton of 30 yarders
Thank you
That answer my question. Hopefully with an improved running game we can do a lot more PA. Another pass that I know we ran in 2009 but not as much as we did in 2008 was the bubble screen to the WR. I thought that was usually very effective. I know we ran it a couple times, but I remember in 2008 we did that 5 or 6 times a game.
Not really
In the North Carolina game Rod Owens broke a long TD reception with big yardage after the catch, but I think he is referring to big yardage on the actual pass to the receiver, not including YAC.
Is there a chance that UFs DC leaves the program for the NFL again and they hire Chuck Amato as the DC
(ideal situation)
I laugh everytime I think about Chuck Amato addressing our linebackers. "Make plays!!!!"
Is he still coaching?
Wow, Ponder averaged 27 yds per completion.
That’s incredible. I’d love to see his numbers on a good day for the WRs lol. I like what Fisher’s doing though. Pressure makes diamonds.
Once Jimbo gets the "knuckleheads" to play correctly
The only limiting factor for Ponder’s YPC will be starting field position.
It's good to see Kendall Smith made some plays behind the line of scrimmage.
That tells me the DL is doing their job, and that Kendall’s reading & reacting quicker.
I personally am pulling for a bigger Mike 'Backer (Vince Williams or especially Jeff Luc)....
…..But as long as the position is productive I don’t care who mans it.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Best Players PlaY
If Kendall is outplaying those guys then I want Kendall playing. If not play the best guy we have.
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Kendall looks to have beefed up a lot from practice photos...
Not saying he’s V. Williams’ size, but he’s not the waif running around out there that he was last year.
I know the young WR's had some drops but Reed had a 100+yds.
Not bad for spring ball.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Bert may not have great top-end speed or size to block
But dang if he’s not one of the best WRs we’ve had in years.
Bert Reed
I have heard he runs the forty in everything from 4.39 to 4.42. He is plenty fast enough.
Fortunately Fisher had the foresight to get in the car at the end of the football season just before signing day and steal him from UF. If not for that we wouldn’t have Bert Reed here either.
" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."
" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!
The process begins!
Yeah Gators will say they got
Harvin and Cooper the previous recruiting year and never really wanted Reed, especially since he continued to look around during the recruiting process. I’m a big fan of Reed and we need him to continue to get better. I think his speed is also questioned sometimes, but I think it is a non-issue.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
WRT receivers running the wrong routes,,,
Do you think they are choosing the wrong option on option routes or are the simply not paying attention/don’t know the play when it is called in the huddle? To me there is a very big difference in these two “wrong route” problems.

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