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Florida State Draft Results For Spring Game: Breaking Down Team Garnet & Team Gold

From the FSU Press Release:  TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - The highly-anticipated draft of players for Saturday's 2010 Florida State Garnet & Gold Spring Game was held Thursday in the football offices, with the squads selected by eight seniors; four assigned to each unit.

Veteran quarterback Christian Ponder, center Ryan McMahon, fullback Matt Dunham and cornerback Ochuko Jenije gathered in the "war room" to select the Gold squad. Across the room, All-American guard Rodney Hudson, tailback Tavares Pressley, linebacker Kendall Smith and defensive end Markus White made up the "brain trust" behind the Garnet team selections.

In addition to tabbing the players, the selectees also drafted their respective coaching staffs and trainers. Those selections will be released prior to game time, as will the selection of specialists. Though Saturday's game, set for 5 p.m. at Doak Campbell Stadium, will be real in every sense, there will be no live kickoff or punt teams.

FSU coach Jimbo Fisher, as well as the players, had been looking forward to the selection process.

"That will be really interesting," Fisher said. "You can pick by the best player, or you can pick by the biggest separation at a key position. ... I'm really interested because it will tell you something about how they feel about each other."

Based on the roster breakdowns, there was a distinct difference in the way the teams were built. The Gold team, on paper, appears loaded offensively with three returning offensive linemen and a bevy of proven backs, wideouts and tight ends. They also have cornerback Greg Reid. The Gold team has a distinct defensive flavor, with linebackers Nigel Bradham and Mister Alexander joining Smith. The roster also includes top returning receiver Bert Reed and tailback Lonnie Pryor.

It's clear to me that some players don't understand the strategy to this draft.  There's really no question what the best strategy should be (draft the largest value, not the best player). The main complaint I have is that team Gold should have been given Pressley and Garnet given McMahon, because as of now Gold's offensive line has 5 scholarship offensive linemen and a preferred walk-on, while team Garnet has 4 scholarship guys (and Ganguzza is questionable at best), 1 preferred walk-on, and two regular walk-ons.

Here are the teams, broken down by position, with the non-contributors removed. 

Garnet Gold
QB 16 Will Secord QB QB 7 Christian Ponder QB
QB 9 Clint Trickett QB QB Walk On
RB 24 Lonnie Pryor RB RB 38 Jermaine Thomas RB
RB 39 Tavares Pressley RB RB 23 Chris Thompson RB
RB 33 Ty Jones RB RB 21 Debrale Smiley RB
FB 48 Daniel Gard FB FB 40 Matthew Dunham FB
TE 85 Ja’Baris Little TE TE 88 Beau Reliford TE
WR 83 Bert Reed WR WR 80 Jarmon Fortson WR
WR 82 Willie Haulstead WR WR 84 Rodney Smith WR
WR 26 A.J. Alexander WR WR 87 Cameron Wade WR
OT 73 Rhonne Sanderson OT OT 59 Henry Orelus OG
OT ? Snider maybe?   OT 67 Andrew Datko OT
OG 62 Rodney Hudson OG 57 Kevin Dehlinger OL (wo)
OG 79 David Spurlock OG 64 Emory Mandala OL (wo)
OG 61 Blake Snider OG 65 Jonathan Elridge OL (wo)
OG 52 Bryan Stork OG 71 Robert Gardner OL (wo)
OC 63 A.J. Ganguzza C 66 Jacob Stanley C (wo)
OC 60 Ryan McMahon C
DE 98 Markus White DE DE 96 Toshmon Stevens DE 55 Jamar Jackson DE
DE 58 Dan Hicks DE DE 49 Brandon Jenkins DE
DT 92 Anthony McCloud DT 68 Jon Jones DT DT 99 Jacobbi McDaniel DT
DT 93 Everett Dawkins DL DT 97 Demonte McAllister DL
OLB 13 Nigel Bradham LB OLB 11 Vince Williams LB
MLB 29 Kendall Smith LB MLB 48 Jeff Luc LB
OLB 16 Mister Alexander LB OLB 12 Nigel Carr LB
CB 27 Xavier Rhodes CB CB 5 Greg Reid CB
CB 28 Dionte Allen CB CB 15 Ochuko Jenije CB
FS 6 Gerald Demps S 30 Jajuan Harley S FS 4 Terrance Parks S 3 Justin Bright S
SS 10 Nick Moody S SS 37 Ed Imeokparia S 8 Chad Colley S

The obvious question here is how much Christian Ponder is allowed to play.  If Ponder takes the serious majority of team Gold's snaps, team Gold should put a beatdown on team Garnet.  But if team Gold is forced to use the walk on QB for half (or slightly less) of its snaps, then FSU fans will have something to watch. 

I say that because team Gold could have trouble stretching the field.  It's not that team Gold is slow, but rather they aren't exceptionally fast and with a walk-on quarterback, the option to stretch the field vertically is virtually foreclosed.  If a team (in this case, Garnet), knows its opponent can't stretch the field vertically, then that team can focus in on the shorter routes and the running game.  Additionally, team Garnet has the large defensive backs to handle team Gold's WR trio of 6'3", 6'5", and 6'6" (even if Cam Wade is terrible he is still still and big), plus its 6'5" TE Beau Reliford.  Those larger DBs could also help in stopping the run, which will be very important when Ponder comes off the field. I would expect team Garnet to play a decent amount of cover-3 with Moody in the box.

On the other side, how good are the young quarterbacks on the Garnet.  Garnet has the better receivers, and 2 of those guys are serious burners in Bert Reed and A.J. Alexander.  Luckily for team Gold, they have some seriously quick DBs, highlighted by Greg Reid.  Team Gold also has Terrance Parks, who has had a tremendous spring.  But team Gold has a clear weakness in the Imeokparia/ Bright/ Colley combination at strong safety.  Team Gold should look to hide those guys schematically.  Can the young Garnet signalcallers get the ball to the speedy receivers?  I'm excited to see that. 

I'm also quite interested to see how team Garnet exposes team Gold's linebackers.  Vince Williams and Jeff Luc are both huge middle-linebacker types.  How will they be in pass coverage?  Team Garnet needs to stretch the field with its fast receivers (discussed above), and then exploit the strong safety position and attempt to exploit team Gold's run-stopping but possibly less than stellar pass coverage linebackers.  Can Ja'Barris Little have a big day?  Who from team Gold can cover Lonnie Pryor, one of the best pass catching backs in football. I'd also look for team Garnet to run reverses with Reed and Alexander, getting the big backer's momentum going one way and then using it against them.

Speaking of backs, I'm going to predict that Chris Thompson (or maybe Jermaine Thomas) catches a big wheel route down the sideline from Ponder.  Thompson has had a tremendous Spring and is bigger and faster than almost anyone expected.  They have great hands with team Garnet playing a lot of cover-3 with Moody in the box, this would be an excellent idea for team Gold.  It's also a route Ponder throws well and an exciting play for the crowd. 

But perhaps the most intriguing battles in this game will come in the trenches and the run game.  Remember that the QBs wear the protective jerseys.  How much will the defense respect the QB run threat?  It is my hope that the defense plays disciplined and does respect the run threat/ fake from the QB, because that's what they would need to do in a real game.  Bootleg action is a large part of FSU's run game (much like Denver with Elway, etc), and if the backside defender doesn't respect the run fake, the run games can be shut down by outnumbering the blockers. 

I have concerns about team team Garnet's ability to run the ball.  Ty Jones and Tavares Pressley are both inconsistent, and while Lonnie Pryor may be the best all-around back, but he hasn't shown he can run in FSU's base scheme, so much so that FSU didn't run him in the zone stuff really at all last year.  But word is he's really worked on his skills and is improving as a zone runner.  As far as Garnet's offensive line, it has some nice players, but also some major questions.  I'm assuming Snider will play tackle and they will slide a walk-on to Guard.  Or perhaps they will have Snider at tackle, Ganguzza to Guard, and Stanley at Center (the most experienced walk-on).  But I still see major trouble here on the inside.  Ganguzza has been banged up and is unlikely to play. If team Gold lines up McDaniel over him or in his gap away from Hudson, team Garnet could have some serious penetration issues.  Sanderson and Snider can be successful run blocking Stevens and Jenkins, but before getting to the outside, team Garnet must at last battle McDaniel to a draw. I always like to look at this: Team Gold's front-7 combines for 1735 lbs (small), as of the last roster.  The key will be blocking McDaniel.  If Garnet can do that, they can run against the undersized front-7.

In pass protection, Jenkins abused Snider 2 weeks ago, but Snider has looked better of late and will look for redemption.  Blocking McDaniel will be key as well, and McAllister could show something here. Pryor is a tremendous pass protector, and that should help out when team Garnet goes deep.

On the other side, team Gold is going to need to run the ball when Ponder isn't on the field.  And they'll also need to run it early for play-action purposes later on, allowing the less fleet-of-foot wideouts to get downfield.  Team Gold's O-Line is very good.  They might have 6 of the top 10 offensive linemen.  Datko is tremendous and Orelus is powerful, but raw.  On the inside, McMahon is good, and Spurlock/Stork is not a bad guard combo.  This line would be one of the better lines in the ACC.  But team Garnet has a bigger front-7 (1783 lbs), so it won't entirely be a pushover.  Dawkins and White are solid, but the real wildcards here are Hicks and McCloud.  If McCloud has a really big day, team Garnet has the ability to limit Gold's running attack.  I don't expect that, however, as he's played 3 weeks of football in the last 600 days. Thomas and Thompson are both very good zone backs and they could have a big day.

Team Garnet will likely zone blitz a lot to try to get pressure against Gold's o-line, while still flooding the underneath zones, because Datko can handle anything team Garnet throws at him, and McMahon will usually have the line in the right protection.

The bottom line is to expect big plays (mixed with losses and inconsistencies) from team Garnet, while team Gold must score with Ponder and persevere with the walk on, looking for big plays later in the game from play-action.

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“That will be really interesting,” Fisher said. “You can pick by the best player, or you can pick by the biggest separation at a key position. … I’m really interested because it will tell you something about how they feel about each other.”

This was a good quote. Coaches lie to the media all the time. The players don’t lie when they draft each other. They want to win the game, and picking your friends doesn’t help you win. If you want to know who is impressing during the spring, look at where they are drafted by their teammates.

by gahnki on Apr 9, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I spoke to one scout who said Clint Trickett was the best quarterback in all of Florida his senior year. Not surprising that he’s ahead of Secord already.

by gahnki on Apr 9, 2010 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

That was a mistake when I listed it. Secord is actually in front.

Both are promising, but I appreciate you pointing that out as now I’ll avoid all the questions about it tomorrow.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 9, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Gehres not playing

injury late in spring?

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."

by geoffissiffoeg on Apr 9, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

So Lonnie Pryor is

a great pass blocker and a good receiver out of the backfield. Sounds like the makings of an excellent 3rd down back. I think the coaches should look into this. For Lonnie’s sake, it beats being used as a fullback.

by FSUPhi1584 on Apr 9, 2010 2:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe it usually does

referring to backs who catch it well out of the backfield.

Lonnie is all things on the football field.

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Apr 9, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I predict a blowout win for the gold team

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Apr 9, 2010 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Walk on QB

Does this person have a name?

by tuckwell on Apr 9, 2010 3:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Bit of background on them...

Ridge Read #21 (Soph-RS)
North Florida Christian (Tallahassee, FL) – Started before Trick
6’0 – 193pds
Short Shuttle: 4.72
Vertical Jump: 26.5"
3-Cone: 7.91
Broad Jump: 7-4

Brandon Parks (Jr – 2V)
Leon HS (Tallahassee, FL)
5’11 – 205pds
Good article by Ira Schoffel (before he was with the Democrat) about Parks: http://www.miamiherald.com/2009/10/09/1273639/florida-states-brandon-parks-helps.html

Team Gold - Winner of the 1st TN FSU Spring Football Fantasy Draft

by basaltrock on Apr 9, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why doesn't the 1st team offense just play the 1st team defense... am I missing something?

Thanks for writing all of that analysis so I can salvage some of the game.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Apr 9, 2010 7:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Honestly? Balance

Fisher knows what he has on offense. Split up the 1st team offense and take away some continuity, thus giving the defense a shot. This game is for entertainment, not evaluation honestly. Fans want to see defensive improvement.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 9, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

1st team offense vs. first team D

This would give us the best indication of where the new D is (how much improved). We know what the First team O can do – because they are all back from last year. The game will still be a good measuring stick – becasue the team splits are kind of like that now (not perfect) – I think we still have an opportunity to judge the new Ds progress

by 93noleman on Apr 9, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

1st team offense would drop 40+

This is a defense that has had 12 contact practices over 3 weeks. Ponder would smoke those guys in a lawn chair.

But I agree we can still judge the process. I want them to be in the right positions, etc.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 9, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree.

They have been scrimmaging for 3 weeks. One more scrimmage wouldn’t tell us anything new. A real game situation with somewhat balanced teams will change the look and approach.

by Jbeau on Apr 9, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its time to step up my understanding of the process then.

To bad we can’t have a section of posts related soley to informational concepts for football analysis that can be collected and then set in an order that fosters a learning process. Like “concept building posts” – The bedrock posts about zone blocking, zone defensive schemes, how rushing the passer is about scheme and not just running at the QB with your hair on fire, why having a consistent rusher is preferable to a boom or bust rusher, why size matters. It could then go progressively advanced into MattD’s posts about why all statistics are not created equal, etc.

Not sying that we don’t have excellent learning pieces throughout the months on this site, we definitely do and I have benefited tremendously, but to group them in a logical fashion and then also “scrub” them to make them easier to digest.

“TN university”.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Apr 9, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

TV?

Is the game on TV in the state of Florida? I’m down in Tampa and would love to catch it.

by dwhitman32 on Apr 9, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

only seminoles.com

365 days, until I change my ways.

by SWFLNole. on Apr 9, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else embarressed

that these sorts of things aren’t televised?, moreover that the ACC doesn’t have its own network (like the Big 10)? Unacceptable.

Opponents: start to panic... now!

by TLHWG on Apr 9, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don't have anywhere near the alumni base of the Big 10

And the game is televised on Seminoles.com, which is an internet broadcast like ESPN360 (not on actual tv).

It’s just contractual rights. Nothing bitching will help, unfortunately.

by Bud Elliott on Apr 9, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

didn't 360 or ESPNU try to pick it up and we said 'no thanks'...

thought I read that somewhere. I wonder how much money seminoles.com will bring in. anyone want to take a guess on internet viewers x what, $7 per?

by econole23 on Apr 9, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realize the Big 10 makes more $

than any other conference. I know TV-conference contracts are complex and that a contract has been under review for a while, but in the era of cable tv with thousands of channels, the ACC should have a network of some sort. Minimally, the FSU spring game should be broadcast somewhere, even as a replay.

Opponents: start to panic... now!

by TLHWG on Apr 9, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking of maybe paying the seven bucks

How long do you think the game will last? Is it worth it? Also, will tomahawknation have in-depth coverage? thanks

by fsufrenzy911 on Apr 10, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Team Gold

Looks like it could be the #1’s minus an OL, WR, and SS

by KnoxNole on Apr 9, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the teams

are pretty evenly matched myself. Both have weaker areas that can (should) be exploited as discussed in the article. I think the part about Garnett finding running lanes should keep this close: Keeping Gold (Ponder) off the field.
If that fails, look for Gold to pull ahead early and coast.

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Apr 9, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting comments found online from Jimbo:

Thursday’s senior-led draft of teams for the Seminoles annual Spring Garnet & Gold Game did little to change Head Coach Jimbo Fisher’s outlook on the team. After publicly criticizing the effort of team during Wednesday’s practice, he had this to say about their draft decision making: “I guess we thought they would have some idea how to evaluate talent with respect to team needs. But you’re talking about a group that can barely run in a straight line, can’t focus for three seconds to catch a ball, and can’t find a hole to run through. Hell, the linemen are like Moses out there parting the Red Sea and we have some knuckleheads who still manage to drown in a sea of defenders. So it’s no surprise that they failed at the draft. My kids do a better job picking sides for Red Rover.”

shrug

by coonhound on Apr 9, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully Jimbo doesn't find out the hard way that there is a line between motivational speaking and detrimental speaking.

That, IMO, was crossing the line into un-productive. What the heck does it matter whether or not the players can evaluate talent. Its not up to them to evaluate talent for any purpose that matters.

Honestly, let them know you are not happy, work with them, but then shut up and let them try and turn it around. The comments are coming across more and more pity partyish.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Apr 9, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really disdain my inability to recognize those things over the internet.

Probably the 4th time in the past 30 days this has happened.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Apr 9, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

No problem...

I didn’t want anyone to think that was really Jimbo… but he is a true picker-aparter… no free atta-boys.

by coonhound on Apr 9, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

in VaNole's defense, that could've easily gone under the satire radar for some folks.

Jeff Cameron’s been saying all week that Jimbo’s Wednesday reaction seemed almost like a staged motivation tool, as if he could barely keep a straight face. I read your satire as if Cameron was the narrator and therefore it made me chuckle.

by The K-Man on Apr 9, 2010 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

thanks, i was debating whether or not to bring that up

Its nice to be defended by the person that got me the other 3 instances of not being able to pick up sarcasm.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Apr 9, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

except for the "n"

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Apr 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you got against vans?

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."

by geoffissiffoeg on Apr 9, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

a lot of people don’t get sarcasm in type – but good lord – that one wouldn’t even of passed for the April Fools quote it was so unbelieveable: 1) Jimbo is more articulate than that and 2) He is not dumb enough to trash his players to the press like that (who are you thinking of right now who did that? I won’t type the name)

by 93noleman on Apr 9, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, i am a gullibal ignoramous when it comes to reading things over blogging sites.

but its ok, not like I’m doing this for my job or anything… at least if I don’t use it for any kind of corroborating evidence when I audit.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life...no one gets to the Father but through Me"

by FSUvaFan on Apr 9, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

IMO that’s insulting. what’s the source where these quotes can be?

Opponents: start to panic... now!

by TLHWG on Apr 9, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

NVM

just read your next comment

Opponents: start to panic... now!

by TLHWG on Apr 9, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely ridiculous.

I love Jimbo, but come on, I thought Wednesday was the line for me, but after reading this – what’s that? No no, I snopes’d it. I swear. But seriously, as much as I risk disappointing the K-Man, I have a confession to make: Mabye I’m just real low on sleep these days, but don’t feel bad, FSUvaFan, because when I read this earlier today, I bit hook-line-and-sinker too. In fact, I was seconds away from typing my rebuttal that Jimbo was surely smiling while uttering this scathing commentary. ‘Twas better than hearing such revealing insight as "about what you’d expect, you know?" from Saint Bobby, eh? (Slightly OT, but after reading about Cameron’s reaction, I wish someone out there could concede the scant possibility that FSU had a mediocre practice on Wednesday.) :p

by TRMNole on Apr 9, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't this a regulation game with a few tweaks?

No touching the QB. What are the other tweaks? i.e. Kickoffs, punts, blitzing, regular clock. I love this so much better than the scrimmage style garnet and gold games. It is really to bad that EJ isn’t available. Then both QB’s could stay in the game a little longer.

by Jbeau on Apr 9, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Get within 5 feet of the QB and they blow the whistle.

Mickey Andrews used to abuse this system like crazy in spring games. He’d rush 8, not attempt to play any sort of reasonable defense, and put up great numbers in the spring game.

by MattDNole on Apr 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't need to.

As he was not consulted when the rules were created.

(His house didn’t have telephones yet.)

by MattDNole on Apr 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Your little sister is gonna play basketball with us guys this weekend?"

Cool, we’ll trap her on the inbounds pass and play zone that doesn’t account for her on set plays. Great gear-up for the Church League season.

by The K-Man on Apr 9, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know that limiting ponder is speculation, and I didn’t follow the original draft thread hat closely, so forgive me if this has been addressed.

by jasonole59 on Apr 9, 2010 9:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd assume guys will move around after the half (or when necessary) to facilitate playing time as you see in most spring games.

It certainly wouldn’t make sense to announce the possibility ahead of time, since much of the reason for the set-up they’re using is to generate the buzz of a game-like atmosphere. No inside here – just speculation – hell, perhaps Jimbo’s intent is to sell the event no matter the events / scenarios that transpire. But you certainly have to imagine an injury or planned early exit would come first.

by TRMNole on Apr 9, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really want to see how the LB's for team Garnet do on Saturday

Bradham, Smith, Alexander could end up being our day 1 starting LB group.

by BS37FSU on Apr 9, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't really care who wins.

Just interested in seeing how some of our key D players have progressed.

Should be fun.

by Drew J Jones on Apr 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I am rooting for the D on both sides – and no dropped passes by Beau – at least no passes that hit him in the head or chest when he is not looking – good grief. He killed three drives last year doing that and caused a pick (6?) too.

by 93noleman on Apr 9, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

New Player on Roster

Just Checked warchant and we have a new safety by the name of Nigel Moody.

by ryanjames46 on Apr 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

lol, saw that and made me think of Groundhog Day

“Way to go, boys; playin’ yesterday’s tape.”

by ricobert1 on Apr 9, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So even though they won't do it, because no one wants to be hi-lighted as the last kid picked...

but seeing the draft order would have been more telling of the players’ perceptions of their peers. How many walkons were picked before Cameron Wade?

by coonhound on Apr 9, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Given the things some of you say about players,

I hope they don’t read TN. What do comments like this accomplish?

by ladyjustice on Apr 9, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't see the point of saying crappy things

about a player on a team of whom you are supposed to be a fan.

by ladyjustice on Apr 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't say "crappy" things about our players unless they,

A. Had an arrest warrant issued for failure to appear
2. Use the phrase gothellaswag to describe themselves
D. Laugh about the arrest publicly by saying, “ha ha ha ha wowwwwwwww the news is crazy….now im on the run ha ha ha im a criminall!!!”

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/4/30/860240/florida-state-should-dismiss

by coonhound on Apr 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game. Set. Match.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."

by geoffissiffoeg on Apr 9, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah... I predict Cameron Wade will now not do a single thing in the spring game.

And we can all blame coonhound.

Shame too, really. Wade would’ve scored 8 TDs and gotten 32 catches had some guy on a message board not called him out. Now he’ll just ride the bench and get arrested.

by MattDNole on Apr 9, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You predicted wrong

He did have a 70td called back for a holding penalty but he did catch the ball….he had a few balls thrown his way.

Team GOLD

by fsugrizz on Apr 12, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Stoops and Hudson are split up for the coaches.

I am more interested in seeing how they call their defenses independent of one another. This is assuming everything is not totally scripted ahead of time.

by revival on Apr 9, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Your wish has been granted.

Odell and DJ are also split up.

by The K-Man on Apr 9, 2010 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone find it ironic...

That Ponder is on the Gold team and they seemed to come out ahead in the draft on paper. If he doesn’t make it in the league I’m sure he’d make a hell of a coach one day.

by NoleOrNever on Apr 9, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Linemen.

Its too bad Ponder is on the team with all the linemen. I would love for everyone to see that having the whole offensive line and the best DTs is more important than who your skill players are. This draft was rigged to get his Heisman momentum going, which is fine.

by Ponder This on Apr 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Green jerseys

It may be coincidental, but have you ever noticed that our quarterback struggles arrived shortly after the springtime green jersey?
Ponder is immune because of his natural scrappiness, but Weinke was the last guy to practice live, and even his pocket presence suffered that senior year in the two trips to Miami.

by Ponder This on Apr 9, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

This really bugs me

I can’t watch video on seminole.com because my apple doesn’t show their Microsoft video player.

" Fisher’s approach to building a winner is lifted from Saban’s playbook. Right down to the terminology such as becoming more "process oriented" as opposed to "results oriented."

" Nick and I are friends," he said. "That guy is one of the best football coaches I’ve ever been around. God knows he’s brilliant. … A lot of the things he believes are a lot of things I believe. We’re very similar!

The process begins!

by DocHoliday2 on Apr 10, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

That' what you get for using an apple computer.

Do we have a game thread?

"Because I'm the head cheese, yall"

by Randall W. Spetman on Apr 10, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

guess not...

thought there was going to be…

Debrale Smiley ran 53 yards on 4th and 1, Chris Thompson ran it in on the next play from about 5 yards out

7-0

by Pinto on Apr 10, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You needed Silverlight 3.0

It’s a free download, for future reference.

by Invictus13 on Apr 11, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fortson caught a touchdown pass,

14 – 7 Gold

"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley

by NOLE09JON on Apr 10, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopkins with 49 yard field goal,

14 – 10 Gold

"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley

by NOLE09JON on Apr 10, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

My impressions

Couple general ones then the game

1) Good crowd turnout – officially announced at 51,000+. Gorgeous weather, decent seats to be had. Crowd wasn’t raccous but still decent.

2) Jimbo was actaully coaching on the field, standing ~20 feet behind the play. He seemed to get more… animated in the 2nd half /grin

3) Food is still too expensive in Doak, $20 for 2 orders of boiled peanuts, lemonade, and a coke.

4) I don’t think anyone paid attention to the “battle of the announcers”. If anything maybe the first and 4th ones were the best.

5) I was happy to see that many football alumni coming back to support the team and play. The halftime game was entertaining to watch. Sure it was just flag football and no big stakes/efforts but there were moments. The (I think) Wheldon to Warrick diving catch for a TD was like times past – impressive #9!

6) Fireworks a nice touch! Also awards ceremony was nice, Hudson racked up.

For the game -

1) Hell of a lot of drops by receivers on both sides…. and one or two unfortunate fumbles. Really too many offenders to name, even Bert Reed had a fumble. The second half saw a lot more offensive big plays, some runs but mostly long bombs. Now that I think about it, I didn’t see many wide receiver bubble screens and maybe only two slants the entire time. Willie Haulstead seemed a popular target along with Bert Reed. Fortson had a quiet game, one great catch going out of bounds and then one dropped “easy” one. For some reason, Cameron Wade had a few lobbed his way (although he might have been the one that dropped the wide open pass in the end zone)

2) Brandon Jenkins had I think 3 sacks, and on one play completely bullrushed an OT to the ground. I’m really interested to watch him this fall to see if him + White can get a semblence of a pass rush.

3) Nigel Bradham was active early and on lots of tackles. The blocked field goal where he ran it back the other way into the endzone showed his impressive speed. Hell he didn’t look winded after that run too.

4) Ponder was ok – not great, but ok. Had one or two that should have been picks (like the 40 yard cross field pass for only 20 yards positive gain) and several just not thrown well. Stats wise I think he was most hurt by dropped passes but had a good selection of short/medium throws as well as 3 good long bombs (that I saw). For coming off surgery, I’m optimistic, especially since he was definately way better than the other 2 QB’s.

5) IMO, I think Trickett > Secord. Secord seemed less accurate with balls thrown in the vicinity of the receiver rather than at them. Trickett showed some spunk with 1-2 QB keepers when the pocket collapsed and was pretty mobile. He had some good throws but also some awful ones. Both are a definate drop off from Ponder but I like Trickett more. I didn’t look at the time of posession, but garnet turned the ball over several times with picks and fumbles, so I am unsure how much these two got to work especially splitting time.

6) Overall, defense on both sides seemed to force quite a few punts. There were a lot more breakopen long runs and throws in the second half. I’m still no sold – there were several long passes that not only did the receiver get past the last man back, there were receiver(s) that did. At least two plays, it seemed like there were multiple receivers stretching for the ball without anyone within tackling distance. The secondary is still a position that we may have to be worried about.

7) Moody got to lay the wood in the very last few minutes. Was painful to watch and I heard the impact/crack of the helmets all the way up where I was sitting. He’s going to make some receivers nervous.

8) Stupid penalties – had one late hit, and 2-3 pass interferences. OL holding was a problem, called at least 4-5 times.

9) Misc notes – Smiley had a few strong runs but also a dropped pass. Didn’t see/hear much from Jeff Luc. Thompson had couple nice short yardage runs where he found the hole. Reid had a quiet game (no punt returns and kickoff returns were non-contact mostly) but had a few pass breakups and one near pick. The Macs (McDanniel, McCloud, McAllister) had quiet games, few tackles.

10) My vote for MVP of the game – I’ll go with something other than the obvious CP7 choice. My vote is for Sean Powell. WTF you say? Well he handled punting duties for both teams and was damn impressive. High booming kicks with plenty of hang time and distance to go with it and had at least one pin inside the 5. The battle for field position is gonna be interesting.

Anyways sorry for the rambling, long day and I just pulled back in!

by StM on Apr 11, 2010 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

The person I am impressed with is

Timothy Orange. He even took a wicked hit from Moody and the guy sucked it up

by I275Nole on Apr 14, 2010 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

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