Florida State Seminoles Travel to Clemson Tigers: Series Preview and Game Thread
by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT
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The 7th Ranked Seminoles (18-9) wrap up conference play this weekend by traveling to Clemson (15-12) with a 3 game lead in the Atlantic Division. The ‘Noles need just 1 win to wrap up their 4th straight division title and secure at least a #2 seed in the ACC tournament. The Clemson Tigers are coming off a disappointing road series last weekend that saw them lose 2 of 3 to Wake Forest after expectations of a sweep.
Inside we will take a look at the pitching and offenses.
Pitching:
Clemson lost 3 of their starters from 2009 and are experiencing some growing pains while Florida State continues to flounder in developing pitchers.
Pitching Probables:
Thursday May 20th - 7 PM - Clemson, SC - Radio: 1270 the Team/94.3 FM - TV: CSS - GameTracker
The ‘Noles have dropped 4 straight games in which Gilmartin has started and to think he is going to put us in any better position than he has before doesn't make any sense. Casey Harman was hammered by a pitiful Wake Forest team but overall has had a good season and would immediately be the best pitcher on this Seminole staff.
Friday May 21st - 6:30 PM - Clemson, SC - Radio: 1270 the Team/94.3 FM - GameTracker
Brian Busch is coming off his best start of the season and a repeat performance should give the ‘Noles an excellent chance of winning as Scott Weisman doesn't do anything to make me believe that FSU cannot put runners on base.
Saturday May 22nd- 1 PM - Clemson, SC - Radio: 100.7 FM - TV: RSS - GameTracker
Neither team has announced their Game 3 starters and to expect FSU to find someone that can be effective at this point in the season isn't going to happen. FSU is allowing 6.8 runs on Sundays while Clemson is allowing 7.1.
Offenses:
Much like FSU you never really know which offense is going to show up on any given night. Brad Miller (1.143 OPS) and Kyle Parker (1.201 OPS) have pretty much been crushing all year and if Jamey Shouppe suggests grooving a 3-0 fastball to them then FSU is in serious trouble.
Florida State still has a shot at a National seed by sweeping Clemson this weekend and advancing deep in the tourney but predicting this series given both teams inconsistent play would be a complete shot in the dark.
Come back tonight at 7:00 as we will be using this article as a live game thread since 2 of the 3 games will be televised.
Go Noles!
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great post, as always
Hard to hope for a sweep of a decent team with our starting pitching that is inconsistent, oscillating between adequate and weak.
The bright spot, more or less, has been a lot of good innings from the bullpen. Is there anyone in the bullpen that you tink should get a chance to start?
There is no one in the bullpen who hasn't already failed in a starting role
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Scantling?
Did well in his one acc start. Has been decent mid-week. Granted clemson isnt JU and UNF
He started against Maryland
Who is probably worse than JU and UNF
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Whatever
He can’t possibly worse the Scott “I can’t get out of the frist inning” Sitz
Martin keeps freshman on a stupid tight leash
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by RaysnNoles on May 21, 2010 8:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TV Stations
You mentioned that 2 of 3 games will be televised. Could you tell us where we can find that info for our respective region; I am in SE FL. Let’s hope (for football sake) that Kyle Parker plays great for Clemson as we sweep them out so he will not return for QB next year as Dabo is claiming. Go ’Noles!
Thursday will be CSS (Comcast Sports) and Saturday should be on Sun Sports.
Scouts have pretty much already made up their mind on Parker, him teeing off on our terrible staff won’t matter
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TV
Thanks!
I just want no doubt in his mind that he will not be returning to QB in the fall…
Rays, you've really done a great job this season
365 days, until I change my ways.
by SWFLNole. on May 20, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, I just wish there were more positives to write about
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I will never get tired of writing about that
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I don't know why it took so long, but...
Martin appears to have finally put the line-up in a reasonable order. Considering there’s no chance he moves Cardullo down any further, this is probably the best we’ll get.
According to Warchant:
1. Holt
2. Johnson
3. McGee
4. Tapley
5. Cardullo
6. Ramsey
7. Travis
8. Lopez
9. Boyd
Don't like Cadullo in the 5 hole, nor Jayce in the 9th
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I would love the see this lineup
Johnson
McGee
Ramsey
Holt
Tapley
Travis
Boyd
Lopez
Cardullo
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Holt leads off with a single
Johnson and McGee strikeout and then Tapley tries to get on with a bunt single
Mike Martin baseball at its finest
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man on 1st, 2 outs
and you have your DH bunt? Heh?
Our coaching staff is a joke plain and simple
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Actually yelled at my tv when this happened...which I don't usually do.
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Reminded me of Holt bunting foul on a two-strike count with two out last Friday night.
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Great start for Gilmartin
Walked the leadoff guy on 4 pitches
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10 balls out of first 15 pitches....awesome
Can’t seem to get any pitch higher than the batters’ shins.
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2 walks for Gilmartin in the 1st but manages to get out of it
Going to be a long night
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Good God...
The view the tv just gave of Martin looking into the sun made him look like some sort of goblin.
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Bases loaded, one out.
Boyd up….please let us get something out of this.
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Jayce hits into double play
got plenty o nothin;
Long night indeed.
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Tyler Holt leadoff single
We would be a .500 team without him
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2 out walk to Tapley, runners on 1st and 2nd
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After he swung at a couple of pitches that were way out of the zone.
I know you have to protect the plate but a couple weren’t even close. Glad it worked out well though.
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Throwing error by the catcher scores Cardullo
3-2 Noles, bot 3
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Wow...Cardullo comes through with bases clearing double to the gap.
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Another K for Gilmartin
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Strikes out Parker for his 4th consecutive K
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Runners at the corners after a single through the right side
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Tapper back to Gilmartin gets us out of the inning
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Water finds its own level
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I see about a 2 millimeter rise toward the end there
totally streaking….damn you and your graphs…
Honest question
How could the BA ever have been higher than OBP? Maybe the x axis is throwing me off. But that’s pretty consistent over the last 30 or so games
From Wiki's entry on OBP
Though extremely unlikely, it is possible for a player’s on-base percentage to be lower than his batting average (H/AB). However very few players in major league history fall into this category, with the majority of them having under 100 ABs, as it requires having almost no walks or times hit by pitch, with a higher number of sacrifice flies (e.g. if a player has 2 hits in 6 at bats plus a sacrifice fly, his batting average would be .333, but his on-base percentage would be .286). An example of this phenomenon would be the Hall-of-Fame pitcher Phil Niekro’s hitting statistics from 1982. In 87 AB he never walked, but had four sacrifice hits, leading to a Batting Average of .195 and an OBP of .193.
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Thanks. Been too long since I followed baseball numbers.
I didn’t realize that OBP is penalized for sacrifices. I know they are plate appearances and not AB’s but I guess I just assumed they were disregarded.
Bottom 4th, 4-2
Im out for the night boys, Go Noles
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Gave up a run while I was away from the tube.
4-3
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Top 5th, leadoff walk for McGee
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And Cardullo ends his hot-streak by striking out on three straight
Just messin’ with ya NoleFrenzy
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until you rebuttal with fancy graphs
I ain’t listenin’
3 pitches, 3 strikes for Cardullo
the lukewarm streak is over
Ramsey doubles to the gap in left...McGee to third.
Runners at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs
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Travis pops out to end the inning
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Ugh...ball drops between Holt and Ramsey for a double as niether could find the ball.
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2-run shot to right for Clemson
5-4 Clemson…Martin visits Gilmartin…no one warming up.
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Whoa
He killed that thing. 2 run homer for Tigers, 5-4
Yeah he did.
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Throwing error by Johnson keeps Clemson's inning alive.
Runners at the corners w/ two outs.
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Gilmartin gets out of the jam but has lost the lead again.
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Man alive Lopez has been a strikeout machine lately
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Boyd homers down the right field line
5-5
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Tapley scores on an error by Clemson's SS
6-5
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Ramsey sent home from 2nd on a REAL short single to left..
…and gunned down at the plate to end the inning.
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Looked to me like he might have been safe
but of course CSS throws up the line score right on top of the tag during the replay.
This color commentary guy sounds like Chris Matthews.
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Clemson fans must feel a little like we have the previous two or three seasons...
Three errors that have allowed for two runs to score.
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Gast out to start the 7th
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Gast pulled for Parker
Gast gave up a leadoff single then got two outs as Clemson moved the runner around to third.
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Slow hit to short and the runner beats Cardullo's throw for the second time tonight..
Runner on third scores and we’re tied again 6-6
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Maybe he is just a magnet for tough chances, but it seems like even when Cardullo plays the ball alright the guys beat the throw.
He has a weak arm for shortstop IMO
Definitely doesn’t throw well on the run.
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He is a poor field, another reason his career is done after this season
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Boyd scores on a triple to the gap in right
7-6
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Johnson scores on a fielder's choice
8-6
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Haven't seen that in a dog's age
Runner on first gets hit in the foot by a shot from the batter. 2 outs
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Woops...one out I meant.
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Shallow fly to left misplayed by McGee
Runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out. Parker stays on the mound.
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Single up the middle...
Diving play by Cardullo keeps the ball in the infield to limit the Tigers to one run on the play.
8-7
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hahahaha
I gotta hand it to Parker there.
He tried the old “fake to 3rd throw to 1st” thing twice in the same at bat and got the guy the 2nd time!
Followed swiftly by a hit to the gap...runner scores.
8-8
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Parker walks the batter
Runners on 1st and 2nd w/ 2 outs
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Single to right, runner scores
9-8
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Parker STILL pitching with runners on 1st & 3rd
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Nearly decapitates a batter
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Finally get the third out
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Glad to see I didn't miss much
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Watching you watch this game would've been entertainment in itself.
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I am actually pretty tame
It’s like watching a tragic comedy
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel for the players more than anything
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amen to that
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Congrats
Mike Martin may be the biggest idiot. Hey lets throw to the guys who is 4-4 and has absolutely crushed the ball each time. Thanks Mike. Tie freaking game
ACC tourney has 8 teams and begins next week.
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We would be the #2 seed if we win the division.
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It's like basketball, not football
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish we would have at least given McGee a shot here
I know he batted in the top half, but it sucks to lose this game with Parker on the mound.
Tying run aboard as Ramsey walks. 1 out
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Travis lines out to short....misses a hit by inches.
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And Danesh strikes out on 4 pitches. Game over.
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Shit show!
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What a godawful ugly game on both sides.
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What would you expect from two over the hill managers
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No idea why McGee didn't pitch
Ohmed Danesh should only pinch hit for me. I’ll be curious to see who he plays at 1st tomorrow too. As you saw tonight Boyd in the 9 hole is beyond retarded. At this point you almost root for things to go completely to hell to get the wheels in motion towards a new regime.
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I already know the answer to this question but I have to ask. Is there any reason Danesh was pinch hitting for Lopez? I mean besides the fact that Danesh is apparently a nice guy. Was Lopez hurt?
I didn't have a problem pinch hitting for Lopez
Like I said somewhere else in the thread, he’s been a strikeout machine lately. Danesh was a horrible choice though. I would have preferred Gonzalez.
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by mmmCheese on May 21, 2010 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gonzalez isn't a senior leader who posses heart and poise
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Well I feel better now that I know that at the least, we lost with heart and poise. haha
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by mmmCheese on May 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You wouldn't think quality defense from SOMEBODY would be too much to ask.
Five total errors and a bunch of other bad fielding plays to boot.
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Defense are pretty much terrible across the board in college baseball
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by RaysnNoles on May 20, 2010 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Coaching
What was Parker still doing in the game after giving up the 1st run in the 8th? Should have put Mike in to pitch, don’t get this move at all.
by NolesHeatBraves on May 20, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
I am hoping whoever is reporting the game has the balls to ask Martin that in postgame interviews
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CC asked, but a follow up question was necessary
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by RaysnNoles on May 21, 2010 6:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Riiiiight
McGee made the second out of the inning when FSU took the lead in the top half of the inning and was only able to throw a few pitches in the pen.
“I had a lot of confidence in Geoff Parker,” Martin said. “Unfortunately, things didn’t work out. But no, I didn’t think of going to Mike that inning.”
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by RaysnNoles on May 21, 2010 6:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
So bring someone else in...anyone.
Makes me wonder if the sweep was ever a goal for Martin or if he’s content to try for the single win to lock up the division. But even if that’s the case, why not pull out all the stops when you have a late lead like we did last night? It just doesn’t make any sense to leave Parker out the considering his body of work over the last two seasons.
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by mmmCheese on May 21, 2010 8:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t get the sense that 11 was sandbagging here. If your goal is only to win one game and you are up going into the 8th why not throw your best pitcher then? I think the problem is we don’t have anybody that can reliably pitch. I’ll be interested to see what will be done during the off season. I imagine we’ll work on poise.
Interesting Game 2 tidbit
Gilmartin starts at 1st again, Boyd DH’ing, and Tapley benched.
And Brian Busch gives up a 6-spot in the third. Scantling on to pitch in his place.
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Ohmed Danesh pinch hits for McGee in the 8th inning
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Can you say "sweep" boys and girls? I knew you could.
Of course it’s too early to call it a sweep. Anything could happen tomorrow. But I am not optimistic at this point.
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martin and shooupe
i quit following fsu baseball until martin either gets rid of shooppe or somebody gets rid of martin.he has no more fire.just like bowden.how many of his asst.coaches went to other teams and became successful.none.this clemson coach has 4 asst coaches that are successful at other teams.2 of them are uf and auburn.he has crappy coaches and going nowhere until this happens
He has Corbin at Vandy too and now Maryland has a Vandy guy as their new HC
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Awesome prediction
…as Scott Weisman doesn’t do anything to make me believe that FSU cannot put runners on base.
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Wait, what?
It’s amazing how good ball clubs take advantage of the least little thing," Martin said of the third inning meltdown. “We slipped on a bunt, which was an out. Six runs later you were wishing you had that out. We walked the eighth hitter to start the inning, and it just mushroomed there.”
-From here.
The fact that 11 thinks walking the 8 and 9 hitters is a little thing is a bit disturbing to me. He can’t really believe that that’s a little thing, can he? After that Busch walked in a run. The only thing that’s amazing is 11’s refusal to look at his own staff and realize changes should be made. Does anybody have Jim Smith’s number?
Zero acountability <1% of FSU fans care about baseball
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Loved how with men on 1st and 2nd with no outs, Martin had Holt bunting...awesomeness.
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I wonder if he will want that out back if we lose
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Still in the 3rd, Noles have their 4th pitcher of the game in
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Only our staff would give up 4 runs (and counting) after striking out the side. haha
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by mmmCheese on May 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Clemson winning bothers me more than FSU losing
This is what we deserve and it’s oddly humorous seeing Martin scramble around out there without a clue of what to do.
anyone know Sunshine's channel number on directv? I am now out at a restaurant.
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by mmmCheese on May 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
damnit they don't have it here.
Probably better for the digestion anyway. Thanks anyway guys.
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by mmmCheese on May 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
5 wild pitches and a passed ball for the Noles today
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shooppe
he has got to be the worst coach when it comes to teaching mechanics.every pitcf\her we have if u look close enough has the same delivery.look at other teams staffs they all dont look a like.and why do we always get these pitchers that pitch in the mid upper 90,s.a good pitching coach can improve on your speed and movement of the ball.fire shooppe,and martin
From FSU's radio broadcast...
Eric Luallen :
I can’t explain how you can strike out twice without taking the bat off your shoulder down five runs in the seventh.
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Not sure if I spelled his last name correctly.
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FSU loses
Gets swept it poor fashion. Loses the division, goes from a #2 seed to a #5. Looks like they will be in the grouping of Uva, Miami and BC for the tourney, not promising.
This team looks really bad right now in every facet. Will have some numbers for you Monday but I can promise they won’t look to good.
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Something I was wondering about....
Could this endanger our bid to host a regional? Or would we have to make a bad showing in the conference tourney as well before that comes into question?
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I don’t think we host a regional. We have a poor OOC SOS since we really only played UF, we are now the 5th best team in the ACC based on record and we didn’t play GTech. I don’t see how you give 5 spots to the ACC or skip over teams when giving out host bids. I think FSU needs to make the ACC championship game to have a hope of hosting. More likely we are 2 and BBQ.
I probably should have phrased the question differently.
Because a sweep as bad as this should endanger the bid. But going into this series, the commentary I read and heard elsewhere seemed to consider us a lock to host a regional….with a sweep by us giving us an outside chance at a top eight overall seed. Also, my understanding of the selection process is that more goes into the decision of who hosts than just record (facilities, stadium size, etc.). So my question should read more like “How much does this endanger our bid?”
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It should endanger it quite a bit. UM, UF, and GTech should all be ahead of us assuming they put in regional bids (and I imagine they would). That’s a lot baseball being playing in and around Florida. While FSU probably has the best facilities of any of those schools (I haven’t been to Gainesville for a game) the others aren’t bad by any means and all are top 30 schools in terms of attendance. I just don’t think FSU’s facilities and attendance are strong enough to leap frog us over those teams. Our best shot is against Miami. If we beat Miami in the opening round of the ACC tourney (I think that’s where we’ll play them) then maybe we jump over them but I’m not sold.
I doubt
we win a game in the ACC tourney, if we do it will be due to sheer luck. This team is untalented, unprepared, and as mike martin would say, lacks “poise.” The bad part is that I really feel like this team is overachieving, which is pathetic considering we are a 5 seed in th ACC tourney. And I’ve been to UF’s stadium multiple times and its a pretty terrible field in comparison to Dick Howser. As i’ve said before regarding senile, incompetent, and just generally dumb coaches at FSU, "fire their ass before the next great coach becomes your rivals’s best coach.
I'd have to see what other teams around the country did before I say we are dead for sure
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Well
I think we’ve all known this was coming, it was only a matter of time. It’s still frustrating to watch tho. That was a pathetic attempt at baseball on the Noles part. What happened to McGee’s bat this weekend?
A lit of guys have been absent the last 2 series
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Mcgee
and Holt are the only reason we are relevant this year, so I give them a pass. On a side note how dumb is Mike Martin for benching Tapley and his 950 OPS.
Yet Cardullo has started every game all year
MM has his favorites
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by RaysnNoles on May 23, 2010 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed about Holt and McGee
I didn’t mean to imply I was blaming him, just that he had a rough weekend.
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