Mark Schlabah said that Florida State would get 10 wins and upset Florida. What do you think about that Bruce?
Bruce Feldman (4:45 PM)
I think Schlabach is right.
Your thoughts? Which is tougher? 10-2 regular season record or beating UF in Tally? Why? Will either happen?
Bruce Feldman 05.09.10 ESPN Chat
That's 2 of ESPN's 3 best college football writers calling for 10 wins and a victory over UF.
I say FSU has a much better chance of beating UF than it does of winning 10 games with this schedule.
That would mean FSU would have wins over UF and 4 of @ Oklahoma, @ Miami, UNC, Clemson, BC, BYU. Oh, and no slip-ups.
The excitement around the program is palpable and FSU immediately improved the second the final gun sounded in Bobby's last game, but these expectations are too high. No team with a schedule as tough as FSU's lost less than three games and most lost 4 or more.
FSU fans cannot set themselves up to be disappointed if FSU goes 8-4 in its regular season schedule. Hoping is one thing. Expecting is another. Improving from 6 regular season wins to 8 against a tougher schedule would be a major accomplishment for this team.
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I trust Feldman and Schlabach more than McShay...
who said FSU would have a losing season this year.
by Long-Distance Nole on May 7, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions
McShay also said
that BYU would blow Florida State out. luls.
by BornandRaisedNole2014 on May 7, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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10 wins is far harder.
I’d say we’d have to go 9-3 and win the ACCG for us to hit 10. Beating UF is just a game that is due for the Noles.
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10 wins including a bowl game is doable.
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I agree
I think we have a chance to go 9-3. Upsetting Florida makes it easier to achieve that. 10 wins total in my mind with a bowl win. This of course is what I “hope” to happen not exactly what I “expect”. If it does I’m building a Jimbo statue in my front yard.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Lets learn from history and not do that :)
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beating UF way before 10 wins.
Seriously until we see how FSU defense is playing and Brantley at UF it’s really a shot in the dark.
A lot unknown? Yes
But a shot in the dark? No.
Brantley is not their only player, and he does come with a fantastic pedigree.
365 days, until I change my ways.
I say we beat UF
and if given the chance, Jimbo is going to step on their throat given FSU and his past against the Gators.
I think we can get 10… if the defense plays well and Ponder stays healthy, I think it’s doable.
Our team could be extremely scary if the defense gets some quality wins, starts playing with swagger, and doesn’t let up. Motivation is key with these guys, if they get a fire lit under their ass and learn the system quickly we could see some fun stuff on the defensive side of the ball, along side our already exciting offense.
I think I got Mooj all over me!
Yuck!
by NoleySmokes on May 7, 2010 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
deserves a rec
made me laugh
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
But we might have the toughest schedule in America
Even the 2nd best team of the decade, 2008 UF, lost a game against a schedule of our quality

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Miami, UF, and USC? Or do you have them swapped?
Close for 2/3
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10 wins including the bowl game...
Meant to add that to my post.
I am just really giddy about a properly coached defense. Football season needs to hurry up and get here.
Agreed!
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So who is the best team of the decade?
2004 USC?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on May 7, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
2001 Miami gets my vote. Barely.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. Except for Herpes. That s#!t will come back with you."
Good God was that team loaded
How could Larry Coker be so inept as to let that team fall apart so completely?
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by Curtain Jerker on May 7, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
2001 Miami
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Gotta Agree
That team was unbelievable.
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by Randall W. Spetman on May 8, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
on ESPN its who has the nicer hair, suit, and can talk louder/has cooler phrases.
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Agreed.
I think we def. have a great shot at FU but I don’t see us getting to 10 wins in the reg. Season.
The Funk Phenomenon.
Can't wait to go celebrate Kool-Aid Friday at Bullwinkles
All this FSU talk just has me worked up to do some good ole fashioned drinking at one of Tallahassee’s finest establishments.
These guys need to say this on TV
Just so all the HS kids can see it. I think/hope they mean 10 wins including an ACCCG win and BCS bowl win. But I fear winning the ACC might work against us. If the Orange Bowl has an early pick this year they could match FSU up with a powerful at large instead of us getting to whip up on the BE champ. If we do manage to pull off a 10 win season the love from the press would be insane. Next year’s class of recruits would be insane.
10-4 is much more doable than 10-2
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Doubtful
If we lost the ACCCG our bowl opponent would really suck
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Not really serious. Just a nod to our pessimist friends out there. ;)
Bring back Korey Mangum— a true Nole!
We'd likely go to the Peach, right?
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If so, the ACC management should be fired for terrible bowl tie-ins. The ACC runner up landing in the Peach? You’ve got to be kidding.
We lost the Gator.
The Gator, Orange and Peach were our big 3. Heck, we even lost the Emerald (now Kraft Food Hunger Care or something) as an automatic tie in.
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Not positive, but I think our only bowl later than New Year's Day is the Orange.
2010-2013:2
* #1 Bowl Championship Series. The winner of the ACC Championship Game receives an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, almost always to the FedEx Orange Bowl.
* #2 The Chick-fil-A Bowl receives the second choice of ACC teams.
* #3 The Champs Sports Bowl receives the third choice of ACC teams.
* #4 The Brut Sun Bowl receives the ACC Championship Game runner up or the fourth choice of ACC teams.
* #5 The Meineke Car Care Bowl
* #6 The Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl
* #7 The Advocare 100 Independence Bowl
* #8 The EagleBank Bowl receives the eighth choice of ACC teams.
* #9 The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in the event that the ACC has nine bowl eligible teams, the Conference has made a conditional arrangement to send its eighth selection after the BCS to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Francisco, if either of that Bowl’s primary partners are not bowl eligible.
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and if we lost ACCCG we would pretty much be the top choice among any teams left i would think.
Can I be on Team Gold??
I agree.
We’d likely be the top choice for the Peach. But, I guess I could see VT or Clemson beating us out if they are very close in record. Just depends. Either way, an ACC championship game loss and we don’t drop past #3 and the Champs Bowl. But the Champs being the ACC #3 is awful.
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8-4 (6-2) regular season IMO
Which means we’ll have to beat at least one of OU, UM, or UF I believe. Thinking about it in those terms confirms that our schedule is murder
by westcoastnolefan on May 7, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
Dammit, Bud. Stop trying to bring me down.
I understand all the obstacles in the way to get to where we are going. And I understand that this is a different game now than before. But let me go back to a generation before you saw your first CFB game.
Ever heard of the Super Sophs? It was tOSU in 1968. I think 18 of the starters were sophomores. One of the best teams I ever saw Beat OJ’s supposedly invincable Trojans in the Rose Bowl.
The signicance? They only lost 2 regular season over their 3 years as starters. And here’s the bonus feel good Koolaid part…Freshmen weren’t eligible then. They were all first year starters.
I’m keeping both my hopes AND expectations high and I’ll try to temper the disappointment should it arrive. You know I’m in it for the long haul Four losses won’t affect my support. Look back at my feelings about support and Boosters.
Let’s all jump on the bandwagon and get Doak rocking so it feels more like a CFB stadium than Wimbledon.
I don’t fear disappointment. I fear that limiting expectations allows reasons to fail.
by fsuclipper on May 7, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t fear disappointment. I fear that limiting expectations allows reasons to fail.
I never really thought about it like that
FSU UNDEFEATED 2010!!! j/k ;-)
by freshcollegeboy on May 7, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's confusing
Either you want to be realistic or you don’t. Each of us has our own set of expectations. If you believe that we’ll win 10, more power to you. Don’t blame Bud for presenting facts clearly and rationally discussing his expectations for next year. We all want to win every game, and you’d better believe we’ll be rooting like hell for our team on Saturdays next season.
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What's confusing? What I wrote to Bud was in the title was in humor.
But read the body of the post. It’s realistic to expect 10+ wins because it’s been done. Is it likely? No. Doesn’t matter to me. My expectations are high and I won’t let the possibility of not meeting them temper my resolve. As I stated, we need high expectations to get Doak rocking. It’s been proven that expecting to lose decreases the attendance at Doak.
I want everyone to have “unrealistic” expectations. I want home field advantage.
I want to TAKE DOAK BACK.
Don't apologize to me. No reason to.
I understand everything that is said about the disappointment of unrealistic expectations. But I also understand that to meet those unrealistic expectations, it would help if we all show up en masse like rabid pitbulls.
We on this site are more informed than the average fan. But the lurkers need to know that we “expect” nothing less than undefeated at home. We need all our fans to come to games and give the team the following that convinces them that we are behind them through thick and thin.
To me, that’s how we’ll turn the ship around.
You, sir, are a true fan and I enjoy your informative posts and comments.
In this sense, what then constitutes failure?
8-4 is a big success in my book.
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Yes
We went 6-6 in 09’s reg. season. Winning 2 extra games (with our schedule) would be a substantial step in the right direction.
I 'd feel disappointed if we lost more than 5 games.
If went 8-4, I’d consider it a success, and if we only lost 3, then I’d be giddy.
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by Randall W. Spetman on May 8, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
After the game by game winning percentage,
I would be happy with and see an 8 win season as an improvement, but I can’t help but wish for a 9/10 win season for Ponder’s last year.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
Heck yeah!
I’d LOVE for us to go 10-2, 11-1, or even 12-0!!! But after years of believing preseason hype during the first half of the Lost Decade, and constantly being disappointed, I’ve adjusted to looking at the season as realistically as I can. Can we go 10-2? Sure. Will we? Hmm… the D has to improve (they will, but by how much?); we have to be lucky with injuries; I’m not up-to-speed on changes made by every opponent, so someone may be better than I expect; etc. Lots of factors, and not all of them are under our control.
Like several others here, I’ve settled on 8 regular season wins as a good number – it would indicate clear progress, and therefore help recruiting. It should be attainable (thus avoiding “disappointment”), and we have a better chance for overachieving (9-10 wins) than disappointing (6-7 wins).
As Fish would say, "Success will be determined by the process, not the outcome."
This team has been WORSE then their record for years. A 10-4 record (I prefer to look at the entire season) where every game is played tough and SMART by players and coaches would be a great success.
If Dameyune Craig and James Coley are Crockett and Tubbs, does this mean that Odell Haggins and Rick Trickett are B. A. Baracus and Hannibal?
LOL
You’re probably right that the team has been worse than its record for a few years. So, yeah, 10-4 (or even 8-4 in the reg. season) would be a giant step forward.
To be honest, I don't really know
I personally don’t believe we will fail. but that an assessment I can probably only make in retrospect. The easy answer is not playing to our full potential in every game.
If we start losing games at home, it won’t matter what the national media says or what our original expectations were. Our “frontrunner” fans will fail to show and we’ll be left watching in a tennis match atmosphere. I want this new regime to kickoff with a sold out stadium and raucous fans. The way to do that is to get thm fired up early. That’s all I ’m saying.
I think we will be undefeated at home going into the uf game. I hope I’m right.
Does it matter to you who the 8 wins and 4 losses are against?
Say we win 2 out of Miami, Florida and Oklahoma, but lose 2-3 out of Wake Forest, Maryland, Virginia and NC State…
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Thats sounds like a Bowden team
I would rather win the games we are supposed to win and come close in the games we are supposed to lose (OU, UF) and go .500 against Miami, Clemson, UNC and BC.
That puts us at 8-4 and in the ACCCG I think and then its a punchers chance against VT or UM, as in anyone can win one game.
by freshcollegeboy on May 8, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically how I feel.
You can’t consistently beat the teams you’re not supposed to if you can’t consistently beat the teams you’re supposed to.
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Im with you...
I think that is the best FSU can do with this schedule. I’d like to say they beat UM and UF, but only 1 is realistic. I think OU takes advantage of the new D scheme before it jells. Hopefully, it isnt a 50something-20 job like they laid on the Canes 2 yrs ago.
Confidence is key on D, if they get a whooping like that early in the year…it might affect them to some degree the whole season. I say OU, UF, and 2 of the ACC teams here Clemson, UNC, BC, and the dreaded Thurs ESPN game against NC State or VT in the ACCCG. A 9th win with this lineup would be reason to be very, very, very happy…and proud of these kids to acheive that after last years debacle.
Add a bowl win to that total and that bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue gets cracked.
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on May 8, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ever heard of the Super Sophs? It was tOSU in 1968. I think 18 of the starters were sophomores. One of the best teams I ever saw Beat OJ’s supposedly invincable Trojans in the Rose Bowl.
Best team in Ohio State history.
They would have all played as freshman, but the NCAA barred freshman participation in 1968.
No need to worry about setting the bar too low with Fisher around. He seems to have a good understanding of the overal goal vs. the process accomplishments to get there.
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Also in the chat were a couple of Ponder for Heisman mentions and FSU to SEC talk
including the quotes/questions here:
Jordan (Fayetteville)
if you had to pick 4 teams to come over to the SEC IF there is a expansion…who would they be?
Bruce
(4:10 PM)
I’d heard from someone at Texas that UT would be leery of the SEC because of academic issues across the board. I asked why that is a bigger issue than most people think and was told that you’re talking about presidents making decisions and concerns for level playing fields.. If Texas (and they’d be bringing A&M in tow) are not receptive, I think FSU, Miami, Clemson and G-Tech.
Bruce
(4:11 PM)
I’m sure UF would try to block FSU and Miami, but it would benefit the rest of the SEC in terms of TV appeal and both are very accessible in terms of travel issue and would help the league’s standing academically too.
anthony g. (cleveland ohio)
who is your heisman front-runner as of right now?
Bruce
(4:16 PM)
I have a few that come immediately to mind: Quizz Rogers, Dion Lewis, Mark Ingram, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Case Keenum and Kellen Moore. And I’m sure I’m leaving off five others.
David (Tallahassee)
Do you think Christian Ponder has a chance at winning the Heisman?
Bruce
(4:18 PM)
I do. I think the ACC is going to be much better in 2010.
Making the case against an undefeated BSU in the BCS championship game (using FSU as and eg. of a team that could leapfrog them due to strength of schedule):
Matt (NY)
So Bruce, you are saying that Boise State going 12-0 wouldnt make the BCS Title Game? why is that?
Bruce
(4:32 PM)
They’d have a shot but they wouldn’t trump say an unbeaten Bama or Ohio State or sub in FSU for example. Knowing that FSU will start out way behind BSU in the rankings.. follow this…
Bruce
(4:33 PM)
FSU would have had to beat Oklahoma on the road, BYU, win at Miami, beat UNC and Florida, AND win a league that also has Va. Tech, the best win on BSU’s schedule. That’ll trump whatever BSU’s resume would have.
Quick mention of improved ACC:
Matt (DC)
Do you see a step back for GT this year? I think we overachieved with that shady defense of ours last year. 9-4 or 10-3 perhaps…
Bruce
(4:56 PM)
I think a little step back because they lost some terrific players and because the rest of the ACC (UNC, FSU, Miami, VT) is improved.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Depends on the season of the other teams
UNC and Georgia Tech could have 8-9 wins
Clemson could have 10 wins
Miami could around 7-5, they got it rough.
All those projections are with a loss to FSU
by freshcollegeboy on May 7, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and Virginia Tech
if they beat Boise they could go 11-1 or undefeated. They have a very easy schedule until the final few weeks.
by freshcollegeboy on May 7, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I don’t know how I forgot about Boston College
If they don’t win at least 9 games they should be very dissapointed
by freshcollegeboy on May 7, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people are underestimating what UF has coming back. Brantly will be good if only because he’s behind basically the same line Tebow stood behind. Also, they return most of their secondary. Add onto that that the SEC will be a cake walk outside of Alabama and LSU and UF should have some pretty good depth devolped by the time we play them.
Even though there is some talent coming back
There are concerns about lack of an established offensive scheme, lack of a Percy-type playmaker (we’ll see just how good Debose can be), not to mention losing 12 players from last year. Throw in a new DC, and we’ve got some glaring questions.
FSU will be motivated next year, hopefully we will be too.
Good luck next year (every game but one)
Tim Tebow 2010.
Bring the hate.
Feed the beast.
by GoGators15 on May 7, 2010 11:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm still not ready to say 10 wins.
I do think 8-4 is to be expected. 9-3 would be an accomplishment, given the schedule, the needed turn-around by the defense, recent history, etc.
I want the players to practice and play for an undefeated season, but I’m wary of fans and the nation EXPECTING a great, 10-win season. There are too many potential pitfalls, and 8-9 wins would definitely NOT be a failure. Not after the last 10 years.
I’m also not writing the uf game as a win just yet. The game will be closer than they have been, but I’m not prepared to say that we have suddenly closed such a wide gap.
Way too much hype. It may be by design.
But I don’t want to downplay the sports media’s general ignorance either. Rest assured that Bud and co. here at TN have far better info than Schlabach, Feldman, et al. Want to be happy with Florida State this fall? Keep your expectations realistic.
ESPN
Remember these guys are in the entertainment business. 10-2 and we will all be dancing on air. I would be happy with 2-10 if the 2 wins are UM and UF!
There are some things in this world that are just supposed to be...
Simon is supposed to be mean to contestants, Domino’s Pizza is supposed to be there in 30 minutes, and we’re supposed to be on top of the college football world. It might be a decade ago, but people remember that kind of dominance, and the hype for our potential will always be there…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
NEVER A DULL MOMENT
on this site. One should try and remember that okie is w/o#1 draft pick, BYU is w/o its starting qb and rb, gayturds are w/o quite a bit of talent in many spots and UM is poorly led and coached. Also please remember last years record-breaking p.p. defense.I recently read the “stat” article about how many more points we needed this year than last…..NO MORE. Just give us back an average defense and we win 9 minimum last year, maybe 10. My big worry this year is okies"fast break"or whatever they wish to call it against our guys learning a new system. We could win 11 or we could lose 6. Just no way to know right now.It would be sooooooooo sweet to kick gayturds azz again like we always used to do at home, but i just don’t know.
Well, if we can increase our offense or defensive points scored/allow, there might be a favorable swagger effect, or in other words, doing better than history would indicate.
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Rodney Smith and Haulstead really need to step up big time for us to get to 10 wins
Rod Owens was an amazing route runner last year and Ponder had unbelievable timing with both him and Reed.
I know Rodney is capable of the big play, I just hope he provides Ponder with similar comfort when the lights turn on.
WAR PAINT OF TN
this is a big key
Ponder needs to stay healthy, which he has hopefully learned. The defense needs to improve, but almost cannot help but get better. But the receivers are a big unknown.
by nolesontop on May 8, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the loss or Rod Owens
sometimes is probably understated. As “Mr Dependable” you don’t get a lot of press or the youtbue clips like Fortson gets over his ridiculous catches (and unfortunately drops). But if you look at the # of catches Owens and Goodmen had…. and some in clutch situations, I think the receivers really need to be evaluated in game situations before we can say “we’re definately going to have a kickass offense”.
by StM on May 8, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, those 2 guys will be missed.
Haulstead and Smith must step up, especially if Easterling decides not to return.
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I think Bert can replace Owens this year.
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by Randall W. Spetman on May 8, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We would need someone to take Bert's place this year then.
I just assumed Reed and Fortson would be solid again. Goodman had a half a solid year until injury. Owens was good. Easterling decent. We just need Haulstead and Smith to make up the lost production of Goodman and Owens. Or at least whatever slack Easterling doesn’t pick up by having a better season himself.
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I think one (or two) of the freshman could step in and help out in that regard.
DJJ, Dent, Shaw, or Green.
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by Randall W. Spetman on May 8, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot those guys existed.
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It's just a matter of who to redshirt...
It’s way too early to speculate, but I’d love to see them all on the field in the fall. I know Green is the best athlete of all of them, but personally I’m waiting to see how DJJ shakes out. Guy has some quick feet.
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by Randall W. Spetman on May 8, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
DJJ needs nutrition bad. I think he should redshirt even if he picks up the playbook early. The value he represents to you guys as a filled out RS J is greater than the immediate value this season.
Yeah, he's tiny for sure...
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by Randall W. Spetman on May 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Never heard that before.
What’s it mean?
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I'll be happy if one separates themself enough to get a little pt.
And would be fine if the rest redshirted if need be. I’m excited about them all. Not sure if any are absolute stud types in college but think they all could be very good. And yes, Johnson has crazy quick feet. And, according to Coley, eats Froot Loops for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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i think we all need to be a little less optomistic and a little more realistic...
we went 7-6 last yr including a howl win…given our schedule a 9-4 season (including a bowl win) would make me happy….as soon as we start believing this over-hyped crap that the espn bloggers want us to believe the sooner we start getting disappointed and then before you know it everyone will start pointing the finger at one another…lets just remember this is a process and its gonna take at least a yr before we can really start getting excited…GO NOLES!!!!
I agree.
If everyone expects a 10-2 regular season, a 9-3 one becomes a disappointment. We should, however, rejoice at 9-3 in the first year under Jimbo – it would be a clear signal to the rest of the nation (esp. recruits) that FSU is moving in the right direction.
I’m worried that this high-expectations hype will be the source of unfounded criticism of Jimbo and FSU. Should Jimbo be considered a failure if we go 8-4 or 9-3 (against this schedule)? Would the national media return to criticizing FSU for its treatment of Bowden if Jimbo is perceived as a disappointment by going 8-4 or 9-3 (despite the fact that such a season would have 2 more regular season wins than we had last year)?
Fans who know the team better came up with, what was it, 8.4 wins or something, right? Let’s stick with our realistic expectations and not start thinking NC in 2010 (let the players aim for that, and let’s enjoy the ride).
I've been telling you guys that the writing is on the wall...
This is our best shot to beat FU. The Gates lost Strong & other coaches, Tebow & all his willing to victory, 9 players to the NFL, 13 players that had started b4 all gone, 21 TD’s that Tebow didn’t have a hand in on ST/O/D. Urbie has recruited well but that is a lot to overcome. Tebow & the defense is why they won championships. That is just too many TD’s to replace. Meanwhile FSU is on the rise. Tony Barnhardt said that he think our Oline could be tops in the nation.(142 combined starts) Hudson the top olineman in the country. Ponder Heisman candidate. Our D won’t be 100+. Great all around special teams. We have talent all over the field. This is our game.
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Some thoughts on that
uf may not fall as much as people think (they might; but I’m not banking on it until I see it). Consider that our 1993 team came into the year with question marks – on defense. We returned only 5 starters, we’d lost Marvin Jones, Carl Simpson, Dan Footman, Reggie Freeman in Rounds 1-2 of the draft; Sterling Palmer in Round 4; we had two DBs injured in preseason.
The result? One of our best defenses EVER. We only allowed 129 points all year, we had FOUR shut-outs, held NINE (of thirteen) opponents to ten points or less, and after FIVE games, LB Derrick Brooks had three defensive TDs by himself – all five opponents had only combined for 14 points. Oh, and in the very first game we had that amazing goal line stand against Kansas – they failed to score on something like 10 plays inside the 5-yard line (thanks to penalties).
Oh, and in 1994 – the year after losing Charlie Ward – our offense only slacked off by about 6 points per game.
The point is, dynasty teams often simply reload. I don’t think uf is quite where we were in the early 90s, but then again we never won two NCs in three years. It may just be wishful thinking to expect a huge drop by uf and a huge gain by us – and a win in November. I understand about the coaching changes on both sides, but I think the default mindset should be: uf will be very good; we’re at the start of the Jimbo Fisher era (and it’ll take some time to get to where he knows we should be).
The guys you lose is only half of the equation
UF is replacing them with great talent. Any reasonable fan would trade our talent for theirs right now. They too have a great OLine.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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Yep.
As indicated by our constant reloading back in the day. And though the ACC wasn’t very strong, our 93 schedule included: UM, uf, ND, UNC (10-3), Clem (9-3), Nebraska in the Orange bowl. It wasn’t a cakewalk.
Until I’ve seen that uf’s new starters aren’t very good, and/or that their coaching takes a significant hit, I’m expecting them to do just fine.
I am really glad we can use US as an example
Will help over the summer as we add new members.
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Most definitely, will help with the people who accuse us of being obsessed UF and the SEC.
Despite the fact that as are just trying to achieve the success that they have had by following their model.
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by RollNole5 on May 8, 2010 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Idk about the Gates great Oline. It should be good but not great.
They have 2 freshmen, 1 sophmore, 2 senior & 1 junior on the line. Also Pouncey is sliding over to center now. Will he be as good of an anchor as his brother? We’ll see. The NFL didn’t think so.
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It's about as good as ours, IMO
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exactly
they’re losing alot but how many of those guys replacing them did we recruit that had they chosen us of florida would be starting for us right now….they obviously know how to recruit and shouldnt have a problem putting talent on the field…i might be the biggest anti-gator here but this game is far from a lock and i honestly dont know how good our chances are to beat them
by TheSituatioNOLE on May 8, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you trade our top 16 offensive players for theirs?
Looking at top:
5 wr
5 ol
1 te
2 qb
3 rb
I’d gladly take their defensive talent.
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Not answering the question,
but I really don’t know how our RBs will look this year with Gran coaching.
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Meaning you think it's possible they may actually look worse?
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NO,
How good will they be by the end of the season when we play UF?
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Who knows.
But I’m not really asking that. I’m asking who you’d rather have going into the season.
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In other words,
I think their top 3 backs are likely Rainey, Demps and I guess Moody/Gilleslie(sp?). Would you take those 3 over Thomas, Thompson and Pryor?
In our system I like our guys. In theirs I really don’t know. I think ours are dynamic enough to excel in multiple systems. Not sure a pair of 175 pound backs are best for Jimbo’s system. But if you look at rushing numbers from last year they had more yards.
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They had more yards than us for a ton of reasons.
Our QB could throw the ball. Theirs couldn’t.
They rarely played from behind, and were just trying to bleed the clock in many occasions. We were usually in a dogfight or playing catch up.
Urban’s offense is just letting a guy make a choice, depending on how the D reacts. many times it was basically either Tebow on the keeper, or handing it off underneath.
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by Randall W. Spetman on May 8, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly their guys were in a better situation to gain yards.
And I said our guys could easily fit into the UF system on offense.
But their top 2 smoked our top 2 in yards. That’s a fact. Even though I would take our top 3 rb’s over theirs.
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I don't think last year was a good representation of our guys.
Gran could be the X-factor, I think I might have to take our guys. Plus Ponder could greatly benefit from better coached backs. The only question mark on our offense are the WRs.
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I think our wr are alright.
Certainly not a question mark. Fortson, Reed and Easterling are a good top 3.
I think our rb’s looked awesome the last half of last year.
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I should have clarified,
Question mark, meaning I think they might not be as strong as the other groups. I definitely think they have the potential, that is what I was trying to say with the “question” statement.
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I dunno
I don’t know their players as well as ours. I wish both Ponder and Hudson would have played against them last year. That would give us a better idea of how far we have to go to match them.
Which team has the better chance of plopping the next Percy Harvin onto the field? We basically know what we have coming back (including the inconsistent play of a couple guys). They have some question marks, but are more likely to have someone step in and say, “Look at me! I’m a freakin’ stud, all-American, Stop-me-if-you-can Man!”
UF...Andre Debose.
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by Randall W. Spetman on May 8, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If we are talking in a strictly Percy Harvin role, I agree.
I think Reid and hopefully Joyner are near that level as athletes, though.
Are we after any dynamic athletes like that this year?
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TWSS
With a mixture of excitement and panic in her voice.
Invictus, for all the talk, wisful thinking, statistics as
opposed to real HEART in the team, and all the hype about diets, etc. you have NAILED it with this post. I have absolutely no idea how the season will play out, but folks, please remember, the glossy, gossipy magazines and their so-called “experts” are all about making glossy big $$$$$$ for their owners.
My bottom line is if J.F can mentally bring the troops to the level of mindset of “old” Bobby’s middle years, we will do fine.I agree the gayturds have a talent edge, but the coaching carnival and oibans hysterics have to take a toll mentally. One can only hope!!
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Expectations.
Trying to curb my friends expectations for this coming year has almost become a daily chore.
It will take a better constructed schedule and another year (or longer) of Jimbo and crew being in town before that happens and/or the fans should expect that. I say expect 8 and hope for more. Anything higher than 8 regular season wins will be icing on the cake for me. There are just too many questions about the FSU defense and how good FSU’s opponents will be at this point.
I can understand why sports media is so high on this program, but they have to understand that an 8-4 season would be a significant improvement. FSU defense is in a position where they are learning to crawl, not walk, and especially not fly. I think for FSU to get a 10 win reg season against this kind of schedule, the defense will have to be truly leaned on from time to time. I just don’t see that happening. They will be better, just not 6-6 to 10-2 better.
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i am thinking 10-2
but really 8-4 regular season is very doable. but really if you think about it the, tougher games like, BYU, Oklahoma and Florida run very similar run and shoot spread offenses. Look at the teams that beat us last year, Clemson probably is losing Kyle Parker, North Carolina doesn’t know what a QB is yet, and Florida lost most of there tam to the draft. if you ask me, 10-2 is very very doable.
Possible - Yes, Probable - No, there are too many question marks.
I understand your point.
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So you're saying we're capable of beating everyone we play?
On a game by game basis. And I agree. I think OU may be the toughest, now that i really think about it, to win. But some games I think we can win I just don’t expect us to win.
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RB improvement
i’m most excited to see how our running game improves this year – another year of experience for last year’s young guys, adding Smiley and adding Coach Gran.
Any thoughts on what we can expect in this area and the implications for CP7’s numbers?
…also can’t wait to watch G5 on PR’s, most exciting 10 seconds in sports
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on May 8, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
I hope Gran has a big impact
Given his success over the last decade in the SEC, it’s hard to imagine that he won’t make an impact. I love passing offenses, but being able to wear down a D with strong running could be a big help. In the past, it often has looked like our OL has gotten better late in games – like they were better conditioned than the D (under Trickett; not before). Combine that with Gran’s style, and we might be generating some big rushing yardage in 4th quarters.
If Gran can get our rb's to play like Thomas, Thompson and Pryor did the last half of 2009 for the entirty of any season they play here on out, I'm happy.
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