Why FSU can beat an unbeatable schedule
So we have all documented that Florida State will have a very difficult road this year. there are several reasons to why most people "in the know" (aka everyone at TN) believe that FSU has the potential to struggle this year despite a very good offseason both recruiting and healing-wise. In this post I am going to go through several reasons that FSU fans must be skeptical, but then several reasons as to why Florida State has the potential to offset these shortcomings.
First, what makes this schedule so tough?
A.) For starters, it looks like we will play half of our games this year against opponents that either started the season in the top 25 or will be in the top 25 the week we play them. I am counting BYU because I see them sneaking in week 3 before we play them as they will be right on the cusp from the preseason. Last year it was also half the schedule, which leads us into our next reason. . .
2.) History
I'm sure we are all sadly familiar with this graphic. Teams with difficult SOS rarely can pull out what a fan would view a successful season. Last year was no different as FSU could only muster a 5-6 record against Div-I competition.
D.) Brand New Defense
While we can all agree that last year's defense was suicide-inducing, lets all be clear: This year's defense will will not be elite, it will not be great, and it might not even be good. But last year it was nearly the worst defense in the nation and easily the worst defense in FSU and, quite possibly, ACC history. believe we will never know how crippled our athletes were the last few years, but all we can do is move forward. It seems that Stoops has the scheme, the work ethic, the smarts, the assistants, and now the players to excel, but to expect a team who didn't even have playbooks last year to magically achieve mediocrity might very well be expecting too much.
After the jump, we'll take a quick glance at last years gladiator schedule and compare with this year's.
2009
| DATE | OPPONENT | RESULT/TIME | |
| September 7 | Miami (FL) | L 38-34 | |
| September 12 | Jacksonville State | W 19-9 | |
| September 19 | at No. 7 Brigham Young | W 54-28 | |
| September 26 | South Florida | L 17-7 | |
| October 3 | at Boston College | L 28-21 | |
| October 10 | No. 22 Georgia Tech | L 49-44 | |
| October 22 | at North Carolina | W 30-27 | |
| October 31 | North Carolina State | W 45-42 | |
| November 7 | at Clemson | L 40-24 | |
| November 14 | at Wake Forest | W 41-28 | |
| November 21 | Maryland | W 29-26 | |
| November 28 | at No. 1 Florida | L 37-10 | |
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The most glaring attribute of last years schedule is that FSU never got a break. Starting the season off against Miami, then playing four straight games of BYU, South Florida, Boston College, and finally Georgia Tech, where we went on a stretch of 3 straight losses. Florida State was 1-4 against Div-I opponents, 0-3 in the ACC, and in no uncertain terms, sh*t their pants. As did every one of us. After a train wreck in the first half against UNC, Christian Ponder again broke his own records against UNC's #1 ranked defense in the nation at the time, and FSU stole a season saving win from an overly cautious Butch Davis.
The other most dominant feature of the 2009 season is the fact that FSU played 5 of their 7 toughest scheduled games on the road. This cannot be overstated, as road games are very difficult, namely for teams that lack discipline and coaching, which Florida State lacked both, especially on Defense.
So now lets look at 2010's schedule, which we all agree is also brutal and will be very tough. But are their holes in this schedule that we can capitalize on? Is there any way we can get out of this with an 8-4, 9-3, even 10-2 record or better? Let's find out.
2010
| DATE | OPPONENT | RESULT/TIME | |
| September 4 | Samford | TBA | |
| September 11 | at Oklahoma | TBA | |
| September 18 | Brigham Young | TBA | |
| September 25 | Wake Forest | TBA | |
| October 2 | at Virginia | TBA | |
| October 9 | at Miami (FL) | TBA | |
| October 16 | Boston College | TBA | |
| October 28 | at North Carolina State | 7:30 PM ET |
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| November 6 | North Carolina | TBA | |
| November 13 | Clemson | TBA | |
| November 20 | at Maryland | TBA | |
| November 27 | Florida | TBA |
Lets start with Samford. This is a clear upgrade over Miami as a first game. We can work out kinks on defense and polish the offense. Easy win, as it should be.
@ Oklahoma:Playing them in the second week of the season will be difficult. Our Defense will still be relatively unknown, but we can be confident that Stoops will not throw the kitchen sink at Samford, so Oklahoma will not necessarily know what to expect either. We also know Our offense will HAVE to score to win. This will most likely be a shootout on national television. I expect a great game and feel if we are only down 10 points or less in the fourth quarter, then we have a chance to pull it out.
BYU:BYU has been severely disabled this offseason, losing not only Max Hall, but their TE's and all their decent horses. They will have a new quarterback who is very green and trying to fill some big shoes. Their defense is still average at best and Jimbo and Ponder will exploit them just like last year, only at home this time. This will be an exciting game for Nole fans as BYU will be undefeated and I see the networks playing this game up as BYU's redemption game for last year's beating.
Wake Forest:Wake will also be down from last year, losing their 4-year starter all-everything QB Riley Skinner AND his backup (also graduated). Rumor is they will have to change to a new offensive scheme (pro-style?) to compensate for their losses and weaknesses. Wake seems to be slowly declining back to where FSU fans think they should be.
@ VirginiaWhile Florida State does not need to look ahead, it will be difficult not to against a team that lost to William & Mary at home last year. Virginia is just a terrible team and FSU should handle them easily. I normally don't like the idea of playing a team as a "warmup", but Virginia is just that kind of team. And yes, I read the previous post comments who thinks if their is a trap game this year it is against Virginia. I don't give Virginia that much credit, they are lightyears away from being South Florida and we will not be coming off an amazing win with Wake Forest.
@ MiamiNow we come to FSU's first ACC test of the year. They are not playing on Labor Day, and FSU will have been able to dominate some teams in BYU, Wake, and Virginia leading up to this game, meaning we will be fresh. This will be very important as Miami plays @ Ohio State, @Pittsburgh, and @ Clemson before we come to town. This gives Florida State a HUGE advantage as we have played cupcakes and have had time to focus and prepare while they will be in all out wars against very good competition. Likely, they will come in battered, bruised, and tired while we are fresh and focused. I don't care if it is a rivalry game, a player's body can only get up so much, and Miami will not be 100% and will not have the luxury of looking forward to us. Last year they had the entire off-season to focus on us.
Boston CollegeThis will also be a tough game, but it will be at home. Hopefully, Florida State will be coming off of a win against Miami and will be 5-1 and in the top 15. The stadium will be rocking louder than anything we saw last year, and we can be sure that Jimbo will tell these players that if they want to win the ACC, they have to win here, because Boston College has the easiest schedule in the conference and if they beat FSU they are a virtual lock. The coaches will know what is on the line and the players will know its importance. Also, there is a 12 day layoff after this game, so no opponent to look ahead to. The players and coaches can be focused on the task and hopefully they can keep their heads in the game.
@ NC StateThis game is on a Thursday night after a 12 day layoff. FSU is the better team and will be better coached. They will be able to rest leading up to this game, but after this game is another 9-day layoff. Once again, Florida State is in a position to stay focused on the task at hand and any bruises and breaks will have more time to heal and the Defense will have more time to learn.
North CarolinaThis will be very competitive, but once again it will be at home. FSU will have only played ONE game in the last 21 days, but North Carolina will be coming off a beating of William & Mary the prior week. Both teams will be rested and it will be strength against strength and potentially the nations #1 Offense against the nations #1 Defense. What a game it will be, but once again, the dark horse is that Florida State will be playing at home.
ClemsonA week after playing North Carolina in what could be an epic match-up, FSU has another ACC contender. But once again, all together now, at home. I have talked with many Clemson fans and all have said they are no longer rooting for QB Kyle Parker in baseball. The kid has been freaking unbelievable this year on the diamond, and rumors are swirling of him as a first round pick. And you don't give up first round money to potentially get hurt in football. Most fans believe if he goes in the first three rounds then he is out the door, along with their ACC Title hopes. They do have a promising RS Freshman in Tahj Boyd, but he is still very raw and will not be ready this year. This could play in FSU's favor, but I see the test as being can our defense hold against a RB who many last year believed was better than CJ Spiller? I'm talking about Andre Ellington. Clemson's defense will also be stout, this game will be huge for the ACC Atlantic battle
@ MarylandThis is the perfect place for this game. Maryland will be near the bottom of the ACC and have been trending downward for years. This game should not be difficult, and should lead us into what will be the game everyone wants to see. . .
FloridaI know you know what I am going to say, but I'm going to say it anyway. This game is at home. Here is where FSU will see how far behind we are. Florida will be very good. They have had lights out recruiting, and have received very good coaching, no matter what happens during the year. They may not be as good as they were last year, but Brantley is a passer who has serious talent. If Florida State wants to win they will have to score points in bunches. This game is important, but remember we can lose this game and still be in the ACC Title game and attend a BCS game, which is why Jimbo feels having the game earlier in the year would be better. This game is not all or nothing, but it is a game that many would like to have. Christian Ponder could seal his name on the Heisman in this game, but don't count on it. Florida is very good and we should not expect a win here.
Recap:
So, we have gone through each game and detailed that this year's schedule, while difficult, is riddled with positive forces that were not allotted to us last year. While in 2009 we played 5 of our 7 toughest games on the road, this year we play 5 of the 7, yes, AT HOME. There are also key times in the year where we get a few extra days off leading up to a big game, and multiple times where some big games come the week after we play some truly terrible teams.
So what do you think? Is this something that FSU can take advantage of? Is there a game that you see as hurting FSU's chances because of where it is scheduled? Or do you see this as a reason to go 10-2 and beat Florida, as Bruce Feldman and Mark Schlabach believe?
And while this post is not meant to get you to believe we should expect a 10-2 season, on the contrary, it just shows that FSU can potentially exploit these opportunities. And if anyone can do it, it's Jimbo Fisher.
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I have been an FSU fan for years, I was a freshman in 2001, so I LIVED the ‘lost decade’ But I had no idea what shambles our program was in, I never missed an FSU-uf game from 1997 to 2005, but I only went sporadically since then, just couldn’t stomach the game, not the fact that we lost, its a game- someone loses- but because we were inept, we weren’t playing good football.
This year I bought tickets to the FSU-UM game in Miami, I am thrilled to be going to an FSU game again, just knowing that we will be playing smart football and won’t do all the things to give the game away. The fact that we’ve played UM close (and won a few) during the lost decade really gives me hope this year…
What do you all think? I was at the 2002 game when Betia missed the FG, got batteries and beer thrown at me – AFTER LOSING!!!!
hopefully not the same result.
IMO the Stadium formerly known as Joe Robbie does not provide as much of a home field advantage as the OB did,
especially when the visitor was threatening in the red zone in the closed end. Former Joe Robbie just isn’t as loud, the crowd is further from the field and it is a much longer distance from the Cane campus. I put up with the Cane home winning streak, the back yard parking and the terrible bathroom facilities at the OB for many years, but finally said “no mas” in the late 90’s and stopped going. Maybe the change of venue will be good for the Noles and the Nole fans.
Jacory Harris’ hand should be fine after the surgery, but will he get better? Has he hit a wall? What kind of coaching is he getting? Whadaya think?
Jimbo talks about taking back Doak
I hope we do. But last year, of the 5 big opponents at home, we were 2-3. Home hasn’t been that much of an advantage for us in recent years.
That’s why we fans need to show up and make serious noise. Let’s “take Doak back” by making it as loud as possible EVERY TIME the opponent’s offense is on the field. Non-stop yelling. Let’s create false starts, misunderstood calls, and frustration.
by Invictus13 on May 8, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap, I just don't know what happened to our fan base the last couple of years.
I mean, I went to the Gator Bowl and it was almost like no one there knew how to yell. The guy next to me could easily carry on a cell phone conversation, for crying out loud. That should be CRIMINAL!
I bleed Garnet and piss Gold.
should it be a surprize if we win 9 or 10 games?
i understand what happened the last few years but my expectations are always high and they always should be high.
I think hopes should always be high
and expectations should always be reasonable
365 days, until I change my ways.
It should be an absolute surprise if we get 10 wins.
"I'm just a big, hairy, American winning machine"
by Randall W. Spetman on May 9, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hoping is one thing, expecting another
I agree that EXPECTING 10 wins is ridiculous, but man, I BELIEVE it can happen, and I will be thrilled if it does.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Nice write up....
I enjoyed reading this. The schedule is still brutal but does provide more relief than last year as you point out. My expectation remains at 8-4 at this point though.
8-4 and is realistic
but my Granet & gold glasses want to say 10-2. If the defense was under it’s 2nf ull year under the new defensive coaches wing then I would be more confident to say 10-2. Great write up my friend and despite our brutal schedule, you definitely pointed out all the pluses that we have our last year’s schedule. But I am sticking with 8-4 with losses @ Oklahoma, @Miami (even though their schedule is brutal and injuries could be big for them), home against UNC, and home against UF. I think 23 go 6-2 in conference which hopefully should be good enouhg to win the Atlantic and send us to the ACCCG where you could possibley see a rematch with Miami. Although my logic wants to say VT is the winner out of the coastal. That’s what my crystal ball syas anyway
IDK
if we will make 10 wins. Its just really hard for me to believe that the Sept 11-OCT 9 stretch wont have us wore out the same as Miami. I really think that we have an even shot at beating OK asl long as we show up on D. And after that we have the BC NC state NC and Clemson games that will prove to be some of the most important games of the year. So much will be riding on those games and it will be hard not to stumble one time during that 5 week span. WE MUST BEAT BC though i 100% agree. And then another emotional game against the TARDS…..dosent look like a happy happy joy joy season. Butto end it on a good note thats why games are played. The score starts off at 0’s and if we score more points than them then we win, plain and simple.
Thank God for the men and women who stand tall in the night to protect this great country we love so much
I agree
That BC game is a really big game! We need to take back the ACC first. I think as a HC of FSU, you want to beat Florida and Miami, but the natural progression in this instance needs to be to take back the ACC and as of right now it starts with beating BC.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on May 9, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent write-up
Enjoyed this article, even got my wife to read it. She’s a 9-3 girl. Hope she’s right. Me, 8-4.
I'm definitely in the 8-4 group
but I feel that one can make a fair case to be 9-3 given other teams situations and how well our schedule plays with other teams schedule’s when we meet (ala Miami)
by freshcollegeboy on May 9, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
8-4 is realistic
I think 8-4 is realistic. If we somehow get by both Oklahoma and Miami, and we are sitting at 6-0 at the halfway point… Then we can talk about 10-2. Until then…come on man!
hahaha
Love that “c’mon man” piece. You’re absolute right SeminoleMike, if we get through the first games undeafeated coming off a win at Miami then I will start to think 10-2 is possible. This schedule is just sooooo brutal that we should all be happy with 8-4 at this stage in the game with an all new coaching staff. I’m optimistic though, it really depends on how much that defense improves in it’s first year.
by FEARTHESPEAR! on May 9, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
great point
if we start off hot we may be able to carry the energy into the rest of the season and finish strong.
Thank God for the men and women who stand tall in the night to protect this great country we love so much
A couple notes I'd like to make:
BYU also lost their power back Unga
Yes, Wake will be changing their offense, but unfortunately I heard they will be reverting back to the misdirection, which is not as big of a problem when running a zone scheme.
I am terrified of the Clemson D, but I think they lost their stud DE. They also lost Jacoby Ford who always seemed to burn us.
Lastly, home field has not been much of a factor for FSU in recent years, but I think that changes this year with the renewed energy in the fan base, and hopefully the economy will pick up some time this summer.
In conclusion, I think there is reason for optimism this upcoming season.
Agreed...Clemson's defense is going to be STOUT.
I think they’ll give us issues, which puts all that much more pressure on the D. I’m really hoping that Kyle Parker gets drafted (which he should, because he’s that good)
"I'm just a big, hairy, American winning machine"
by Randall W. Spetman on May 9, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked the piece, but one comment
If you are going to go into the schedule, you should mention that there was a “break” with JSU. If not mentioning it as a break, then use it as a plus for your argument that our “breaks” shouldnt have people that were scoring in national championships the year before, and former 5 star recruits starting at QB.
Just my .02
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
About the 5-star guy
He didn’t play defense for them. That game just sucked.
That he was on offense is besides the point
The fact of the matter is that they had that type of talent against us. If I am running things, I am going to pick a team that has scrubs at every important position, not one that has even a 5% shot at pulling off the upset.
And yes, that game sucked.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Hard to do that withthe Jax State's of the world
Because a 5 star player can transfer there and not sit out a year. You may schedule a team of scrubs but a couple of transfers later and they could be pretty talented.
"I think therefore I am not a Gator"
by Jamil Dawson on May 20, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Torrey Davis
As I recall, they did have a former 5* gator on defense (though I don’t remember if he played much or was particularly effective… still).
Not saying 10 wins is impossible, but IMO its just as likely as only getting 5 wins
FYI: I have us winning 7.54 games this season. Note: this is my projection as of TODAY. This will likely change slightly before the season starts, and moreso after I see games 1 & 2.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
i love the enthusiasm but...
1. BYU is not a cupcake….and despite their losses I dont see us dominating them like we did last year even if it is at home.
2. Sometimes long layoffs can be the worst thing for a team….Example….2008 season..Penn State beat OSU and had a bye week before heading to Iowa….everyone predicted them going to the NC as there hardest test was now out of the way…..and of course what happened…they lost….im not saying a layoff is always bad ..but its not always good.
3. your absolutely right about the florida thing….i dont see us beating them this year…although its possible…i dont think its likely
thanks for the write-up ….i hope we can make this season a success
3. IMO it will be hard for anyback
by TheSituatioNOLE on May 9, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
Why Not Dominate BYU
Last year they had a veteran signal caller and a power running game. Combined they torched out defense yet we still won by double digits. Now they have to come down to the heat and humidity, with a qb fresh off of two whole games minus the best receiever (Denis Pitta) and no RB (Unga withdrew). So take last years team and subtract all of the good parts from it and thats what we are playing against. Sorry I feel like there are other games where we should question but BYU isn’t one of them. If I’m wrong bookmark it and I’ll eat my words with dignity.
Team GOLD
I still wonder what would have happened. . . .
Had Reid not pulled on the TE’s jersey, jumped the pass, returned a pick-6, gotten away without a call, and expanded the margin. Recall the GT game, where the first team to punt was going to lose? I felt like the BYU game was that way last year, i.e. all offense and no defense on either side, and Reid’s pick-6 possibly changed the W-L outcome. Just an instinct. If our defense improves a little and their offense drops this year—-only then is it a “safe” game.
Both will happen
If our defense improves a little and their offense drops this year
BYU’s offense will drop because of the loss of their QB, RB and TE. Our D will improve because they have playbooks and competent coaches now. I think we’ll roll in this one.
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by Jamil Dawson on May 10, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They lose a lot.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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Well, IIRC
we were winning something like 30-14 win that play happened. So if they were to have scored a TD the still were 2 scores behind. The big play was the fumble recovery which put us up 2 scores to begin with. That game seemed to be FSU’s offense running well and FSU’s defense running about as lucky as possible.
Team GOLD
"Home"
I wish playing at home was as big an advantage over the last few years as your otherwise fine piece infers in will be for the upcoming season.
Excellent breakdown Fresh
Actually gives me some hope that the schedule will not be the factor that breaks us
by Cigar City Nole on May 10, 2010 10:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
by definition you can't beat and unbeatable schedule
lame j/k
Grace I call Your name, Oh won’t Your smile fall over me, I’m cracked and dry on hands and knees, Oh sweet grace rain down on me I need You grace
-Phil Wickham
I see your schedule much like I saw ours last year
You can beat anybody on the schedule, but not everybody on the schedule.
PS: Y’all had all offseason to prepare for us, too.
by Nole Resurrected on May 19, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
Congrats! Very well-written(and well thought-out)
I’d only add that the BYU final score was as surprising as the jax score. Also, even if our new coaches are as wonderful as advertised, please remember against okie early on , that new system may have to face a no- huddle fast- break type offense. i know they have a new qb(thank god) whew…………but it’s still asking a lot for a brand new defense.
Miami speed scares me as does oibans talent advantage.
I’d LOVE 10-2, but i think 8-9 wins is more “doable”.

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