Seminole Offensive Stars Earn Top Draft Grades; Defensive Prospects Have Work To Do
Some draft news came out yesterday about several Florida State prospects. First, National Scouting, a company that contracts with NFL teams to provide scouting reports on players released its grades from last year's draft of Juniors who could have gone pro. That means these players will be seniors this year. And that means Christian Ponder. Second, Wes Bunting, a former scout who now serves as the scouting writer for the National Football Post, reviewed FSU yesterday in a series he is doing on the top draft prospects of each college team.
Let's start with Ponder. This may surprise some of you, but Ponder tied for the 7th best available college senior, and the best QB along with Jake Locker (who Mel Kiler is touting as the best thing since Elway). That grade of 6.7 is very impressive I am told. Why did Ponder do so well? Bunting has an idea:
A thick, well-built quarterback with above-average girth through his upper body.
Showcases good mechanics and clean footwork, quickly getting out from under center and maintaining his balance in his drop. Is a bright kid who does a great job keeping the football cocked and getting the ball out of his hands quickly. Displays a good mental alarm clock and a quick, compact release, which allows him to consistently beat the pressure.
Ahem. Oh, hello coach Fisher, QB guru. Ponder didn't have these attributes when he arrived at FSU.
Is a solid athlete for the position who does a nice job stepping up in the pocket, buying time for himself with his feet and has the ability to create with his legs once he breaks containment. Exhibits impressive ball skills, handles the football well on play fakes and looks really comfortable anytime he's asked to get outside the pocket and make throws on the move.
No doubt Ponder's experience on an option offense as a high-schooler helped his ball skills.
Showcases good anticipation, accuracy and touch on all levels of the field. Spins a really clean football and consistently is able to throw to open receivers both down the seam and outside the numbers.
Translation: his arm is plenty good. If you didn't know, Jimbo Fisher is a freak about a quarterback's hands and how the hands allow the QB to impart touch and english to the ball.
Exhibits a real rhythm in the short passing game as well, quickly setting his feet both from under center and from the gun, striding toward his target and accurately picking defenses apart.
Ponder was a 3* recruit out of a run-heavy offense. His development here has been pretty incredible. Credit Fisher for putting him in an offense that develops him both under center and from the gun (aka not Urban Meyer's attack).
Now, lacks great arm strength when asked to zip the football outside the numbers and can't be late with a throw. However, because of his rhythm and anticipation skills, he still has the ability to make all the throws required of him at the next level, as long as he's on time.
So basically he has a good but not great arm. But only 3 or 4 NFL QBs can get away with throwing late, and that's not a good habit to get into anyway (see Brett Farve, Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell, and every other QB that was drafted based solely on arm strength).
Displays a good understanding of the pass game and does a nice job quickly recognizing coverages and working his way one side of the field to another.
This has definitely improved in his two years here.
However, needs to do a better job looking off safeties when attempting bucket throws down the field. His football has a tendency to hang on him a bit down the field, giving rangy defensive backs a chance to make a play on the throw.
I think this comes from the Clemson game when Ponder had the cracked ribs (interception along the sideline that Bowden called for and angered everyone).
Also, when working his way back across the field on his progressions, he will occasionally throw blind into coverage.
We discussed this last year. It looks like he throws blind, but in college, Ponder knows where the other defenders are without looking because he has a great understanding of coverages, as Bunting noted above. In the NFL, coverages are more difficult, but there are still only 11 defenders. And it's not like Ponder relies on throwing blind more than once every few games.
Nevertheless, the guy has come a long way since 2008 and he knows how to handle adversity, work through it and come out on the other side better because of it.
Indeed. Ponder was undraftable based on his 2008 performance. But NFL scouts probably aren't expected to realize he was playing behind the youngest line in the country. All they saw in '08 was a kid running for his life with no pass protection.
Impression: The kind of quarterback I love. Isn't the most physically blessed prospect, but is a bright, hard-working kid who has a great feel for the pass game and relies more so on his accuracy, anticipation and rhythm. Looks like a guy who can end up as a very solid NFL-caliber signal-caller at the next level.
Other QBs who rely on accuracy, anticipation, and rhythm: Joe Montana and Drew Brees.
Flashing back to the Summer of 2009, I have to say we here at TomahawkNation feel pretty vindicated. Elsewhere, many thought Ponder couldn't play. Sure, We said that Ponder's struggles as a sophomore were due to injury and absolutely no pass protection from the youngest offensive line in the country. In '08, Ponder had no expectation of protection. In '09 his line grew up and turned into one of the best in the country. He had good protection and showed his true skill. And now he's a likely 1st rounder.
Bunting also evaluated Rodney Hudson, Ryan McMahon, Markus White, Kendal Smith, and Ochuko Jenije.
Scouting grades were also given to Hudson (6.1, 29th, "one of the better zone blocking guards to come around in a while"), and Markus White (undraftable).
What do you think? What senior prospect will step up his game and become a draft pick?
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"He's just a system QB..."
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NO ARM STRENGTH?
Please, I can’t wait for the season and the combine so he can dispel this myth
by WinstonSalemNole on Jun 22, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
I do remember at times last summer
being less than thrilled about what Ponder would do once the season started, but I was 100% happy to be proven wrong
Those were some serious battles.
Nothing stirs up controversy like QBs
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
And I still wonder what things would’ve been like had Manuel gotten the spring of 2009 under his belt, but with the way Ponder played last season I’m thinking he would’ve beaten Manuel out anyway
When he was called into action in that VT game...
I knew I was gonna love this kid. He looked so much more alive and alert than Drew, and even though he was outmatched, he showed balls. Big ones.
I was born in 1982, and attended my first game in 1991. With that being said, I will say that Christian Ponder is my favorite FSU player ever.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 22, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, bold statement!
BUT I do remember him coming into that game and being impressed. It started to unravel near the end but he gave them a serious go and that was with a generally poor football team.
I'll stand by it 100%
A) He’s an outstanding ambassador for FSU, outside of his on-the-field excellence. His grades, his character, etc. Total Package.
2.) He’s not naturally physically gifted like a Jamarcus Russell, Charlie Ward, or Tim Tebow, but excels anyway.
D.) He’s got an incredible “football mind”, which is going to serve him well at the next level.
Cornhole) He plays with fire, confidence, and poise that you need in a QB. You can be smart and gifted, but if you don’t have guts, then it could all go to waste.
4.)
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 22, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
DISAGREE!!
I think Ponder is MORE talented then Tebow.
For example:
-He’s got the ability to get rid of the ball faster then a 3 toed sloth on valium
-He’s got the ability to throw an accurate pass that doesn’t have the word “shovel” or “jump” in front of it
-He’s got the talent to formulate everyday sentences with*OUT* using the word “blessed” excessively
-He’s got the talent to NOT smell his fingers after fondling young boys’ genitalia, errrrrrrrr…….“performing a circumcision”
Pretty talented by comparison.
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by DRusso97 on Jun 23, 2010 6:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Completly agree,
he showed a poise that we hadn’t seen at QB since Weinke.
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his hella swag really puts him over the top
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Good Call
That first pass he threw to (I think) Greg Carr along the sideline was straight crispy. The announcers of the game were impressed along with myself.
by LincolnHighNole on Jun 23, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He did show flashes
…. but I am not going to lie, I was extremely upset that game. That 4th quarter was a nightmare: a lost fumble, an interception thrown out of our own endzone (returned for a TD), another interception in our half of the field (which the defense bailed him on, surprisingly). Yes I understand he was very green coming into that game, and Blacksburg is a hell of a place to play in I’m sure – but I have to say my immediate reaction was complete anger at the time. Good for you guys for looking past all of that immediately. It didn’t take long for him to sell me though, but what the hell do I know anyway.
i remember the usf touchdown pass
when CP7 threw a touchdown when he was running out left and the throw was across his body, and it was at the 45 yard strength
Watch it again
threw it from the 49 to about 5-6 yards deep in the endzone. And it was a bullet.
when in the game was this i want to watch it
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by stevegrizzle on Jun 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/4/26/1446324/christian-ponder-does-not-lack-arm
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 22, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/4/26/1446324/christian-ponder-does-not-lack-arm
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 22, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
do you happen to know what quarter/ minute that happen i have the game on my computer
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by stevegrizzle on Jun 22, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
found i 2nd quarter 7th minute. “holding”
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by stevegrizzle on Jun 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that what i said about the fortson drop.
definitely not mind blowing
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by stevegrizzle on Jun 23, 2010 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
arm movement
looks so effortless…amazing stuff.
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 22, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone go to the spring game two years ago?
D’vo through a cannon on the run at the back of the endzone that I think was caught by Fortson.
I think Easterling caught
If i remember correctly it was also called back because the refs blew the play dead for the QB being “sacked.”
by nolesblogger on Jun 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it was called back
I remember Jimbo’s comment during that QB battle. The guy with the better arm is not who you think it is and the better runner is not who you think it is.
That wasn't exactly it
I think he said “One is a better runner than you think and One is a better passer than you think.”
A little nitpicky, but there is a difference.
by nolesblogger on Jun 22, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
But its sort of true
EJ looks like he is large and lumbering, but we saw fantastic running ability from him.
Ponder’s arm was questioned but he wowed us multiple times.
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It was about D'vo and Ponder though
When they were battling to see who would win the starting job, Jimbo was saying that Ponder is a better runner than you think and that D’vo is a better passer than you think.
by nolesblogger on Jun 22, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yes.
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 22, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
that game was rigged as far as i am concerned
CP7: Sliding is teh weak sauce
by stevegrizzle on Jun 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the 4 or so fumbles deep in their territory did us in
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this
our redzone offense early in the season was awful. A lot of the blame can fall on Dexter Carter because after he was effectively let go mid season our running game improved. Really excited about Smiley he’s going to give FSU the teeth it needs in the redzone. No offense to Lonnie Pryor but he’s just to small to be our short yardage back.
Im so pumped up about this next season.
Is this the year we finally beat them gay turds?
This is the best shot we've had in 6-7 years.
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by FloridaStateJay on Jun 22, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No, that is not true.
We should have won the year we started a coach’s son/Gator fan/Lyme’s Disease having hippie over the two time Gator beater, Chris Rix in 04. ’05 We were doomed, but in ’06 we gave them all they could handle just lacked the O (thanks for nothing Jeff). But from then on its been a joke.
I suppose one might say that the ‘06 game was a fluke (I’d say we were in it because of an amazing defense) but no way do I think we are guaranteed to have a better shot than we did that season where a toe nicking the sideline cost us a tie game late. At worst, I’d say this is our best shot in 5 years.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Meaning 5 straight times we've been out-manned, hopefully for the 6th time we can somewhat match them
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I hear ya
But I didn’t think we had a great chance to beat them going into the game in 06. I was pleasantly suprised that the game went the way it did. I haven’t been this hopeful in getting a W over uf since this time in 04.
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by FloridaStateJay on Jun 23, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
For all those recruits wanting to go to SEC so they can get to the League...
8 of the 25 are from ACC schools
4 of the 25 are from SEC schools
by coonhound on Jun 22, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ACC esentially equals the SEC in production of NFL talent.
Everyone except Duke has produced top level nfl talent these last few years
I think all three of those defensive prospects have a slim shot at working their way into the lower draft rounds, but I think Jenije has the best chance
The new system should benefit each of them in different ways but I think Chucky has the best shot.
Jenije should be a much better fit in the Stoops coverage schemes, and he’ll recieve some solid coaching from Stoops. We all know Jenije’s an intelligent dude (working on his Masters) so I expect a lot of this to click for him quickly. I think he’ll be the most improved from the three, provide some great leadership for the younger players, and exceed the expectations of many Nole fans.
I had high hopes for Markus White. It will be interesting to see if Eliot can reign him in and instill discipline. Crashing in every play clearly didn’t work. I get tired of harping on this, but I can’t help but think that White really got jilted under Allen and that he could have been in another category with a different coach. We’ll see what happens, but he’s a likely UFA.
I doubt we see Kendall Smith covering anyone below a 4.8 forty this season after Hudson and Stoops reviewed his game film. I expect him to become more reliable and benefit from the new schemes as well, but again, likely a UFA.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 22, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
I think this is correct, might be more specific
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 22, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad for our defensive guys
that don’t have enough eligibility left to have their draft stock repaired. Every can’t be Bradham and still put up decent numbers against the kind of “coaching” they were working with/against.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 22, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this.
Not only for the reasons you mentioned, but also because it seems like more teams are stockpiling CBs. Premium position.
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As college football ramps up, scouts return to their respective teams in other to fulfill their duties as regional scouts. However, they’ll also update players for their respective agencies as well.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Jun 22, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ponder improved his completion % (56 to 69) and YPA (6.3 to 8.2) from 2008 to 2009
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Anyone got any stats on # of drops by FSU last year?
Ponder was close to completing 3 out of every 4 passes. I bet that number creeps up near 80% after factoring in drops.
(For the record, I don’t think our total drops are a cause for alarm; I’d bet it’s pretty normal for every team at the college level.)
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What's the scoop on McMahon's draft stock?
I don’t know if any of those 3 defenders get drafted, but I don’t see them sticking in the NFL if they do.
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I think he winds up as an UFA, but will definitely get a shot in a training camp
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang, undrafted...
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Agree with what you said about the defensive guys
I think Ponder and Hudson are the only two who stick around in the league for more than 3 years
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 22, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Mcmahon is one of the top 5 centers in the country.
Granted centers are not a position that is drafted highly, but depending on how he performs at the combine I can easily see him being picked up late in the draft.
Agreed
There’s an entire season of games to play for all of our guys to improve their draft stock. No one is set in stone.
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by FloridaStateJay on Jun 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember stopping by a pre-season fall practice
in ‘07 (I think) and watching the QB’s. At the time, Weatherford and (can’t remember name, 5* recruit) were battling it out for the starting spot, with Ponder playing for 3rd team. I could see back then that Ponder was the best of the three, and it wasn’t even close.
Anyone remember that rope that XLee through to Preston Parker in the
wake forest game….Man he had a cannon for an arm and was an empty wastebasket upstairs…
Team GOLD
Anyone remember the game where Adrian Macpherson came in for one play
and threw a 50 yard bomb to the endzone…then they took him out. Then 6 years later he got run over by the ghost of the boss in the third level of Chip and Dales Rescue Rangers at the Titans game.
And the GaTech game he attempted to throw the week before
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Yup
I foam at the mouth everytime I hear that bozo’s name
Facepalm
whenever I think about what could have been with Xavier Lee. Now playing WR in the Arena Football League.
I was trying to remember why I thought that he was the best
I don’t want to pick on Weatherford or Lee, that’s been done enough. I remember watching the practice and wondering who #7 was. At the time I was rooting for Lee to win the job. Ponder was very present in the moment. He was smooth, on target and on time, every time. The other two were not. It was only one hour of one practice so the sample size was very small, thus I discounted my own conclusions.
Yes.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 22, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dddamn
They don’t let you get away with any chicanery on here.
by FLpanhandler on Jun 23, 2010 6:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Opposite side of the ball
so #7 could have been worn by Ponder as well. Not sure if there was an offensive player who also wore #7.
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Any hope that he can breakout this season with proper coaching/training this offseason?
Won't be able to assess that until Fall practice starts in early August
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is going to surprise some people if he can be healthy.
by Ponder This on Jun 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed!
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 23, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He has struggled with a knee issue throughout his time.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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I believe Ponder would be a perfect fit for the Dolphins or Colts.
If he can stay healthy and curb his turnover ratio I fully expect him to be a top 15 pick in the draft.
Minnesota
I thought they needed to take a QB this year, Berman with his whole Brett Favre BJ thing didn’t agree. If the dude was going to be threatened by any rookie QB then he’s not as legendary as ESPN wants me to believe he is. Maybe once he retires they can just turn the keys over to CP-7 and watch the magic happen.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
thing is Ponder is ready to play immediately.
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Tis exactly my point.
Although I wouldn’t be surprised if a GM was scared to throw him out there right away.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Yean but he probably isn't ready to succeed immediately.
Unless it’s the type of success where he just doesn’t make mistakes and lets the other players win games. There is still a learning curve (even Peyton Manning experienced it). The question is would Minnesota be better in 2011 with Favre or with Ponder. In 2010 I would say Favre. In 2011 I would still probably say Favre but each year it gets a lot closer.
by nolesblogger on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Jaaaaags
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 22, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
All 3 positions of need IMO
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 23, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I can easily see him being a Cardinal.
Good call.
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by FloridaStateJay on Jun 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Miami has plenty of QBs already.
Not that I wouldn’t love to see Ponder in aqua and orange, but given other needs, the opportunity cost on Ponder is too high. If Henne unexpectedly crashes and burns, then maybe, but the odds of that are slim-to-none.
Miami still needs defenders, and next season they’re going to need to start looking at RBs just in case somebody sneezes on Ronnie Brown and breaks his leg.
by Drew J Jones on Jun 23, 2010 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Posted this article on FB, this is the response I received from the first Gate to respond
“Get your excuses ready for when ponder is 3rd or 4th in the acc in passing yards and maybe 12th in the country”
I was unaware that teams drafted based entirely on total passing yards.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Has that person ever heard of Case Keenum or Mike Leach?
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I think he's still waiting for Colt Brennan to blow up.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I think Graham Harrell is the most applicable here.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 22, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Timmy Chang?
(not sure if thats even the right name or if he is still in school or not)
Tebow wasn't top 20...
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Only in circumcisions given to poor unsuspecting children.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
3rd or 4th in the acc in passing yards and maybe 12th in the country?
unaware ACC had so many stud quarterbacks. If you are running a pro-style offense and you are top 15 in the country in passing yards that is pretty good.
12th in the country is bad now?
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by FloridaStateJay on Jun 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW
On grading, anything above a 6.5 indicates that they should be a Top 15 prospect. Though it technically goes up to 9.0, anything between a 8.0 and 9.0 is extremely rare (Think Bo Jackson)
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by Jonathan Loesche on Jun 22, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
wow!
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 22, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice little write-up on Patrick Robinson
In the first round, the Saints took cornerback Patrick Robinson from Florida State. Robinson’s physical gifts are undeniable. At 5-11, 190 pounds he has the strength to jam receivers at the line and come up the field against the run and possesses the top-end speed (4.46) to run with receivers all over the field and break quickly to throws. His marginal instincts and general inconsistency are the only things that could hold him back from being a shutdown corner in the NFL. Robinson tends to bite on receivers’ first moves and relies too much on his speed to get him back into plays down the field. The Saints have the depth at corner to allow him to develop and if the light goes on, he has great potential.
Story here
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He was an absolute steal for the Saints.
The guys at the rivals site think he was trash but football heads know he was being set up to fail.
by Legal_Seminole on Jun 22, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
its hard for me to really buy into this assessment when
a guy who just finished chemo therapy a few months ago has one fo the highest grades.
I mean dont get me wrong I’m happy for Hertzlich but its just not reasonable.
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You forgot that white linebackers get .5 added to their scouting score.
Recently known as the Paul Posluszny Principle.
And if you're a white linebackers who beat cancer, you get an additional .5 pity point.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
still not adding up
you sure the beating cancer doesnt double the score?
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by stevegrizzle on Jun 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
8 out of 25 are from the ACC
Only 3 from the SEC, and the first one isn’t until #16.
The ACC has the most.
Everyone came back!
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 24, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Well Im going to tell the truth
Ponder will prob be the only guy unless Markus White and Ochuko Jenije do something so great that the axes change. (I dont see that.) Also I think what will hurt the Sr this year wont be how good they play but FSU SOS. I know that has nothing to do with the players but unless we come out with a 10+ season its going to kill there stats. What is so great about this is that Fisher still has an Ace in his pocket EJ. But thats another story.
As for the Lineman, as good as I think they are they are missing the size. Yes a zoneline man needs to be faster but they are still about 20lb off from playing on Sunday. They will be boys among men in the NFL. I think they could hang for the most part but I dont think it will be all that well for them.
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That i must take issue with
the linemen are already playing as men among boys, not the other way around. They are man handling the best DEs that are in the game right now
Hudson is 300 pounds when healthy.
That is plenty for a zone center or guard on Sundays.
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