2011 Recruiting Discussion Thread #3 [closed]
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Notes:
- Rashad Green commits to Florida State. 06.17.10.
- Removed RB Marlin Lane as he got a Clemson tattoo. 06.18.10.
- Jacob Coker commits to Florida State. 06.21.10.
- RB Devonta Freeman commits to Florida State. 06.24.10.
FAQ:
1. Are the five-star Texas RB considering FSU?
Somewhat, but FSU seems to be outside looking in. We know FSU is in their top four both, but we don't buy the hype. Malcom Brown will most likely go to Texas, and Aaron Green will likely join his cousin at Nebraska. New article suggests that both still have FSU in their top four. Credit Coach Eliot for his Texas connections getting FSU's foot in the door. If they decide to officially visit, we will add them to the board.
2. Where does FSU stand with Ray Drew?
Georgia is definitely in the lead. FSU is fighting with Clemson and Auburn at this point for second. Drew was at the FSU camp over the Father's day weekend and spent time with CJF. FSU will likely be in the process the whole way.
3. What happened to De'Joshua Johnson?
Was not able to qualify for Florida State. Appears he needed much more work academically than what was represented...
4. Will FSU take 2 WRs now instead of just Rashad Greene?
This is tricky. FSU is loaded at wide receiver and doesn't need to take another. FSU could have as many as 13 wide receivers in 2011. That's more than optimal and is not a good use of finite resources (85scholarships). However, this answer likely depends on the future of Jarmon Fortson (could go pro early), Taiwan Easterling (baseball, but when?), and Cam Wade (don't see many non-contributing 5th-year seniors on the roster). The coaches will be in the best position to determine this, and we are not going to second guess their move here.
5. What's up w/ Tony Steward?
Steward camped at Clemson over the weekend. Clemson is in desperate need of linebackers because its current crop lacks both quality and numbers. Plus, Steward's idol is Ernie Sims, who was coached by Clemson LB coach Kevin Steele. Steward named Clemson his leader following the camp. Despite this, we are confident in FSU's position with him. Steward is very respectful and has said good things about everyone. Clemson will be an underdog in 5-7 games this season and it would be hard to see them land the top LB prospect in the nation from out of state while finishing with 5 or 6 losses. While we are mindful that Clemson can promise him an immediate starting job playing for Ernie Sims' former coach while FSU cannot (FSU is loaded with linebacker talent), we think FSU is in good position at the present time and that FSU's position will only improve from here. It will really depend on whether the kid prefers immediate playing time or the better program.
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First!
In an seriousness, The Podcast was great! Is Matt in that, MattDNole, or isnt SWFLnole a Matt as well?
Also, If we took only 5 D-lineman, would it be 3 DE and 2 DT? Or is it more just the best player possible?
It's SWFLNole.
Bud = Bud Elliot
Matt = SWFLNole
Dan = DA-2 (Was in the original one, but had technical difficulties and could not do the second)
74 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Lets try it again
Freeman has an Auburn offer (according to Luke). That only underscores the importance of offering “First”
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 24, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
Wilder ain't skeered
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 24, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Gator Fans feel that he will commmit to them during Friday Night Lights
Gators very confident
by fsufrenzy911 on Jun 26, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
When is Nick O Leary going to sign?
SCALP'EM
2010 New Beginning in Tallahassee
Ponder for Heisman'10
RIP John Wooden
Haven't heard anything
I don’t think he’s close to a decision.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
About 200 days
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 24, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry don't feel like breaking out the calculator
are you saying signing day?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Sometime around then
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Hype from who?
I don’t know Therezie’s situation. I would bet that FSU is down to Pryor, Grooms and Waisome as remaining targets.
74 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
genron I believe,
not so much the writers.
I was just going the the rivals florida 100 and saw him so I thought I would ask. It shows we’ve offered (non-committable?), and we are listed in his 5 favorites.
Yeah I wasn't sure if you were calling me out.
I haven’t talked to Therezie since that time back in early Jan. It’s hard to tell who likes who till May when spring evaluations are over. Last I read, Therezie liked Alabama and Miami, and Miami finally offered. Like Bud says below, he’s a good player. Just that FSU likes a few better.
74 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
He's a good player, just a few FSU likes better
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 24, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Therezie will likely end up at Miami
Never really had a heavy interest in FSU.
This is espn's take on greene
ESPN’s Tom Luginbill said of the pledge, “Greene adds speed and quickness to a receiving corps that in the past few years has been more about height and size. He can stretch the field and can also be very dangerous after the catch. He is a playmaker with the ball in his hands.”
I think the recieving corps has always been extremely fast. (see Burt Reed, Rod Owens)
This almost seems a little insane to me.
What about last year’s receiving core was based on height and size? Besides Fortson, they all seem smallish to me. Yes, Smith and Haulsted are big but they were nonfactors last season. Our leading receiver was Rod Owens, he wasn’t huge (just incredibly precise).
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Umm...it's really not all that insane.
Greene adds speed and quickness to a receiving corps that in the past few years has been more about height and size.
Carr, Fagg, Fortson, Haulstead, Smith…I think he’s probably got the Jump Ball Jeff days in mind.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 28, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Williams
How long do we hold a spot for williams, is he using us just to get miami to step up to the plate?
at this point
i dont c um giving him a scholly, they have evaluated him twice. Unless he gets better his senior season
He isn't using FSU for anything
His FSU interest is legitimate
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 25, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree, he likes UM better tho, but
because they probably wont offer him soon. he will get frustrated with them and commit to us
You hold it until you get someone better TBQH
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TBQH, I think he sits out thsi year
I would love to have him on our team though…
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 26, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear Rappers make it big out of Tallahassee once in a while
Pass that Guacamole…
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
In relation to his father wanting to further his own rap career
in case anyone missed that one above.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Doubt FSU could fit 2 in this class.
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If we somehow want 2 later would Story then be an option?
Or is this pretty much a done deal?
I don’t think this scenario will play out, but I’m just wondering if it happens.
by nolesblogger on Jun 28, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget Story everyone
Good player for sure, but we have landed our share of WR the past couple years. Can’t take them all unfortunately.
Gators gettin Nole leftovers...
Taste it!
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jun 29, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Story is the higher rated receiver in the ESPNU 150. #4 at his position.
Did we feel Green was a better fit for our system?
Yes, coaches felt he was a better fit and also a sure thing rather than a "potential" guy
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 29, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
That's cool.
Just hard hard to call someone “leftovers” who is rated 82 positions higher than our guy, and is #4 nationally vs #21 nationally.
I trust the coaches.
Don't put too much stock in those ratings
Greene is the better receiver at the moment. Do I like story? Absolutely. Would I have chosen him over Greene? HMMM…MAYBE. He’s not leftovers but he definitely needs more time than Greene.
I'm with you, calling Story leftovers is ridiculous IMO
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 29, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No probably means Watkins to UM
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In Big Ten news, Penn State just lost a “lock” to Pitt, as DT Marquise Wright from New Jersey commits to the Panthers over PSU.
They are currently in last place in Big Ten recruiting rankings, with their only notch being an unknown tight end from Delaware, who they beat Delaware and Bucknell for.
This comes on the heels of losing Brandon Phelps to Virginia last week. Penn State may actually have one of the worst classes in the Big Ten this year.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
Oh MAN!!! I was wondering where Wright was gonna go! What HUGE News.
Just kidding Gahnki…you da man, and can post whatever you damn well please in my book.
I heart Cardullo...in the same way I heart the World Cup, Fat Girls, and Okra.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 28, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
have a co-worker who is a Penn State Fan
She’s annoying and actually thinks Penn State is better than FSU. I hate to say it, but I am going to be happy when they start sucking because of this stinky class.
fixed it for you :)
am going to be happy when they start sucking again because of this stinky class
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
It may not show up too noticeably in terms of record, though
Because they do a tremendous job of playing nobody.
>>---l>
Alabama (week 2)
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Bama
Look at their schedules the last 5 years. They manipulate their image better than anybody.
>>---l>
They're not dumb.
They schedule very wise IMO.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 30, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Wonder what is going on there
Maybe having the oldest coach in the nation is catching up with them? There isn’t enough talent in their footprint for them to be missing on major players.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure they only have 14-16 scholarships available this cycle, as well
FSU Football 2010: "Everyone gets a playbook."
I'm betting this is Joe Paterno's last season.
He left Bobby Bowden in his rearview mirror and only needs six wins this season to clear 400. The end of the season would be the best time to draw a line under a great career. His retirement at that point would be of mutual benefit to both himself and Penn State.
Both Paterno and Penn State would face a huge dropoff in talent if he stays. This is in no one’s best interest. A classy exit lets Paterno wrap up things on a positive note, while giving his university a chance to parlay that positive press attention and national exposure into some recruiting momentum. Certainly, if his 2011 recruiting class stays this dismayingly small, the program will still have scholarships to offer.
My guess is that Paterno and Penn State officials have already discussed this and sketched out a succession plan. They watched Bowden’s exit and want something better.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
All this makes a lot of sense
so why do you think it would actually play out this way?
by Caveman Mafia on Jun 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also rumored to be in poor health
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I heard at the end of the season he will evaluate himself.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jun 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crowell news
He’s down to 4 schools: Bama, Florida, UGA and FSU.
And has a planned visit to FSU on July 17th.
Per AJC
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Wilder IMO
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 29, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Do they like Wilder better as a RB?
or because of his potential to play linebacker too?
by fsufrenzy911 on Jun 29, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We like Wilder more
because he is the better player. Him playing rb is a non-factor especially considering our depth at that position.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Why long odds?
Do the depth charts at Bama and UF look so much worse than ours??? I see top recruiting classes year in and year out for them. The cupboard can’t be bare…..
by Mellocello63 on Jul 5, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
We have 14 verbals in the 2011 class
How many scholarships do we have available and who do you think we sign?
We address this on the recruiting board in excruciating depth.
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you should just give the short answer....it's gonna happen at least 300 more times till signing day.
actually I would expect a few questions after as well!
keep the link in ur paste bar.
Giddy-up!
Short answer
20-24
Lots of fat to trim from Mickey Andrews’ ’07, ’08 and ’09 classes.
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Thanks, I forgot that it was already addressed in that thread.
The question is, WILL that fat be trimmed? Seems like a lot of speculation at this point.
There is no doubt.
The numbers don’t work otherwise.
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Why should he do so now?
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1. See who develops.
2. See who runs themselves off.
3. Get more points for the academic progress rate out of them.
NO reasons to trim the fat until May/June 2011.
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agreed
If you can’t sign the players to back fill them all, you might as well see the new coaches and staff can “reach” and motivate and surprise you.
Consider where things might be if Fisher had run off some of Jeff and company’s old recruits early on — like Christian Ponder.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 3, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If he did it now
then there would be less players to make it through the season. One or two injuries to the same position group and we would be screwed.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 29, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Chevelle Buie to Rutgers
Waterbug heading up north for now. I like the kid and wish him well!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 29, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
I played football this year in Cocoa with one of his coaches who was with him on that trip....
Better Rutgers then UF, where they would have turned him into another small, fast-as-shit CB.
Oderint Dum Metuant
FSU leads with all 3 Dwyer Recruits. O'Leary, Maggit, Brissett
One of my good friends talked with their HC(Daniels) yesterday and that is what was said. They are wanting to do something like Elam, Christian, and Clark did last year with UF. Whether or not we would take Brisset could affect if we get O’Leary.
Hmm
I am not sure if FSU would take 2 QBs. I am relatively confident that Maggit is a Gator. Who does your friend pulll for?
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 29, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami
He graduated from Dwyer but he knows Daniels personally. I’ve always though Maggit is a Gator but he may just wanna stay with who is in his class.
I know he is a Gator, but why would he say they all leaning towards FSU?
I mean I live 15 minutes away from the school.
that’s great they are all leaning towards FSU. I just always take second hand information with a grain of salt. I do wonder what Jimbo would do if they tried to do the package deal thing. I really would love to see O’Leary at FSU; being a Dwyer alumni.
FSU is still recruiting Brissett
Not sure what that would mean for Coker but Jimbo still wants Jacoby
idk if i want coker and brissett would rather have jacoby if that means we get o'leary and maggit too
CP7 FOR HEISMAN 2010
Read Maggitt is 210
Does he have the frame to add the required weight to play DE effectively or would we be looking to move him?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Does anyone know when these guys want to make their decision?
whether its together or separate, I haven’t heard anything on their decision date
I've head this from an extremely reputable recruiting source as well.
I heart Cardullo...in the same way I heart the World Cup, Fat Girls, and Okra.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No offense, but I am very skeptical of this
though Maggit would be a big-time pull if it came true.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 29, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to believe to be honest.
Isn’t this the same coach who told our staff “It ain’t over” in regards to Elam when he commited to FSU. That was a unique and extreme case for sure, but still. I could see us still pursuing Brisset, obviously O’Leary, and dropping Maggit a line on GP. But FSU as favorites for all three? Thats a bit much
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 29, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, at least he was right, so if he actually said this to someone
it sounds to me like his word is pretty good.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
We know who greases his palm
He’s a gator and I doubt he said this to anyone
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 30, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't that mean he doesn't lie as a Coach since Elam did eventually switch back to UF?
I knew Elam was going to switch his commitments, but didn’t think it was going to be to FSU. I’m just saying when it comes to Dwyer I know them pretty good. I mean I’m just reporting what I’ve heard, it isn’t like this is ALL their final choices. Just at this moment in time FSU leads for all 3. Whether or not this is true in February… Who knows
I'm still skeptical
But one of my buddies did talk to the coach and that’s just what he said.
Plus my best friend went with O’Leary on his unofficial visit a month or 2 ago.
O'Leary I believe, I think FSU is looking great there
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes me feel warm inside.
Love that guy….O’Leary, not you, NT&T. I mean, I like your work very much, and I’m sure you’re a helluva guy, but it’s a strong word. Unless you can play like O’Leary. Then I might.
O'Leary would be my favorite if he commits for this class
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
Hell of a TE
he could be a great weapon
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 30, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Feeling even better than I did before about Matulis
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
That makes me feel warm inside.
Love that guy….Matulis, not you, NT&T. I mean, I like your work very much, and I’m sure you’re a helluva guy, but it’s a strong word. Unless you can play like Matulis. Then I might.
I heart Cardullo...in the same way I heart the World Cup, Fat Girls, and Okra.
by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 30, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like there are many uncommitted prospects who have serious interest...
if they commit, will it be hard to cut ties with those who we have commitments from now?
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Our coaches aren't going to drop current commits right and left
Commits don’t get accepted unless the coaches really like them as fits for our schemes. FSU can afford to be picky.
The question to be asked is, “Will it be hard to cut ties with the underachievers from previous classes who are wasting scholarships” and the answer would be “No”
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line is that one thing our CURRENT staff knows is how to recruit.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
TE Ray Hamilton committed to Iowa today; he was not a big target for FSU, but had a reported offer and FSU was among the finalists.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
Kid is a good player!
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In an interview, Andre Davis
claims that FSU is still after him hard and wants to take another receiver. Thoughts??? Wish the second receiver could’ve been Story, though
Here's the thing with these kids self-reporting this kind of stuff...
To Davis, FSU might be after him “hard”. Compared to all the other schools, he might think we’re recruiting him the hardest.
To us, it might be a phone call once a week just in case. He really has no idea how much priority our coaches are placing on him.
by MattDNole on Jul 1, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like he missed his chance to be part of UM's class
so he’s probably looking at all of his options a lot more closely.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 1, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn't the same case as Glen Stanley.
Since Sentrel would only be a Freshman USC would be less likely to release him of the LOI. And also Sentrel went there knowing that sanctions were going to be handed down that’s why he didn’t sign on NSD.
He can choose to no enroll in school though and that should free him up
just not sure if he’d be free for Dec/Jan or next summer.
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not enroll*
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
The LOI binds him to that school
If he does not attend the school then he has broken his LOI and a penalty is assessed to him which is sitting out a year and losing a year of eligibility.
This is all of course if USC does not release him of the LOI.
If USC releases him then yes he can play at UM or any other school this year.
Prep school for a year should take care of it. I’ve heard that Seantrel is deliberately avoiding the summer school at Cretin that would make him academically eligible, in order to attend the prep school of his choice, thus breaking any tie to USC.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
Smartest thing for him to do
Let himself get re-recruited after a year.
As a bonus to FSU, it will give him another year to see WTF is developing @ UM and decide he doesn’t want to be part of it.
(hopefully)
Oderint Dum Metuant
Agree, sounds like this will drag out for another year.
Maybe he’ll have a kid by then, and want to stay up north.
YAY broken condom!!
He might be overrated……but I’d rather not see him in orange & green nonetheless.
Oderint Dum Metuant
He has ballooned to 355 lbs
He may go to Miami and party his way out of the roster
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 4, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I always hate the off season, but more so than ever right now.
Absolutely cannot wait for our season to start and for Clemson and UGA to start losing (fingers crossed. Steward and Drew).
He idolizes Ernie Sims. Steele coached Ernie.
Clemson has NOTHING at linebacker at all.
Here’s 2011 for them
Linebacker
2007 Brandon Maye 6-2 230 SR* Mobile, ALDavidson 3 stars
2008 Jonathan Willard 6-2 215 JR* Loris, SCLoris 4 stars
2009 Corico Hawkins 6-0 230 JR* Milledgeville, GABaldwin 3 stars
2009 Quadon Christian 6-3 235 SO* Lake View, SCLake View 3 stars
2009 Spencer Shuey 6-3 240 SO* Charlotte, NCSouth Mecklenburg 3 stars
2010 Justin Parker 6’3" 230 FR*/ SO Beaufort, SCBeaufort High 4 stars
Clemson telling him he can start from day one. Clemson has a tremendous defensive staff. Honestly, he’d be very smart to go there and start for Kevin for 3-4 years.
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So then my question is:
why can Clemson sell their prospects on early PT, but we can’t do the same at DE?
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
For whatever reason I've thought there was a chance the Shazier commit to UF may come back to bite us a bit
Granted, I realize Steward is our number one LB target (And we can only take two) and I wouldn’t have risked losing Smith in order to simply pursue Shazier
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 1, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It may be a little better for FSU if Clemson is viewed as the early leader. They will bear the brunt of the negative recruitment.
Art Modell gives me a hard one
Especially if their season goes the way a lot of people anticipate provided Parker leaves
Look at the de-commits and rolling eyes from kids that FSU endured around the time of the USF and BC fiascos
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 1, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
USF I believe was the week that DE Corey Miller switched to Tennessee
BC may have been when OL Ed Christian switched to Auburn.
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Greg Dent too, no?
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jul 1, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Dent was ever "with us"
that early. IIRC he wanted and waited for us to offer but did not. He then committed to Miami and then we realized that we screwed up and offered him what he wanted, receiver instead of DB.
by StM on Jul 5, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Merril Noel de-commited around this time as well
And the wheels started turning for Tavaris too probably
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Way earlier Noel decommited.
Tavaris Barnes was never much of a FSU commit. Some say similar to Cortez Davis.
65 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
UF fans believe Waisome has been a silent for a little while and will pop around FNL
Unfortunately I think they’re right. He any Lyons will make a nice combo for them :(
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 1, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
I try to ignore UF recruiting
Just hard to follow until we pull closer to even with them. The amount of known lights out talent they are pulling is sickening.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 1, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
REALLY??
When was the last time that UF developed a D-Lineman that wasn’t just STUPID physically talented* to begin with??
- - Even then, no guarantee.
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Taurean Charles?
Speaking of UF flame outs, anyone ever watched Miami-N’western’s “Year of the Bull” documentary?
Crazy tale of HS football down in Dade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s23JTmfJOY
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jul 2, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember sending that clip a to a some co-workers a few years back
It obviously blew them away! Lol
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 2, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I tell you what
I don’t let anyone come in my house and touch the remote control.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Any of them become All American or All-SEC?
Guys like Carlos Dunlap don’t count….they would be highly drafted even with Jody-EFFIN-Allen coaching them do to measurables….
Oderint Dum Metuant
If we are fortunate to land Glen Stanley
what position do we “short” for 2011 – just due to the 1 less ship we can offer?
Do we maybe go with 2 DEs rather than 3? 4 OL rather than 5?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
should have read
If we are fortunate enough to land Glen Stanley
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Jamar Jackson
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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Not for this year. For 2011
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just to be clear
basically you are thinking that we end up cutting 1 extra player (since I was under the impression that Jamar Jackson would’ve been gone regardless of whether we gain Stanley or not) than we may have for 2011 and it won’t affect recruiting at all?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
The issue must be addressed
Maybe Clemson just has better recruiters than we do. If they can pull Bellamy from UF and can perhaps pull Pagan (UF) and Steward (FSU). Not to mention they were Cortez’ first choice and everyone expects him to flip back over to Clemson. The writing may be on wall if everything sticks by Febuary
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 1, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone? Steward isn't done. Pagan hasn't flipped. Bellamy is there because of his mom.
Let’s slow down a little.
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I think this recruting cycle is Jimbo & Cos 1st test
And I don’t think they should be evaluated based on who they “lost”, but on who we sign compared to our main rivals, e.g., UF, UGA, Miami, Clemson, etc. For example, I don’t care if Clemson signs a couple players that we offered as long as we have a better class as a whole when the dust settles.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Pagan is from the area, no?
Bellamy has already been addressed. His mom is super tight with Brad Scott from high school. She’s known him 20 years.
Steward… if he wants PT, we can’t offer that.
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Figured I'd at least broach the subject. Long ways til Febuary
Not saying the staff isn’t doing work because they are. I felt the coversation was headed in a certain direction and I decide to pull the trigger and ask the question straight out. Especially since Clemson’s staff has been in the ear of a lot of teams targets. I figured I’d get jumped on a bit for asking. But it’s all good
by westcoastnolefan on Jul 1, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel it's important to consider each example individually
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How quickly things changed.
Last year this time we were screaming for quality depth, and could offer playing time.
We can only offer it on the DL now
LB is stacked with players, especially young ones. The secondary will be as well. And offense is looking good for a while, unless Steward wants to play Tackle.
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I don't see it on the DL
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Exactly
My point was that the only place where we can offer anyone a real opportunity to come in and contribute is the DL. Steward isn’t a DL, therefore we can’t offer him an opportunity to come in and play meaningful snaps his first year.
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Even DE
No longer in the context of Steward, but we can’t offer DEs meaningful reps? Are the coeaches that high on the current 5some I’m coming up with (Hicks, Jenkins, Stevens, Cummings, Werner) that we can’t realistically offer Drew or Newberry the same opportunity Clemson offers at LB, the chance to come in and be legitimately the best player at the position? I love Werner but you’d have to think that a 5* DE could think he has a legitimate chance of beating him out at SDE at least IMO.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 2, 2010 7:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Big time recruit
Why let the fact that we had some great linebackers come in last year make you change your plans?If he wants some time take it. When sims was here we had plenty of good linebackers,come in and compete.
That's true and he hasn't said that FSU would be a bad opportunity for himself
But the BEST opportunity for him would be to play for a coach who puts LBs in the league, who coached his idol, who will play him as a freshman (more than likely) and who runs one of the most consistent defenses in college football.
However, I think this will be fun when Steward signs with Clemson because of Steele and then Steele moves on to a HC position not long after. No I don’t know if that’s actually in the offing, but he has to be getting close.
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Still will be a nole
Who’s to say that he can’t come in and take some playing time vince williams back my not be 100%, me myself i think nigel carr a little on the slow side.Bradham to the nfl just imo, I think this is as good a spot as any!
Well assuming Bradham goes pro
He aint starting at mike as a freshman, like him or not he won’t beat out Carr who will be a returning starter senior in 2011. Which means on the other side he’ll have a shot, but against 5* Christian Jones, 4* Telvin Smith, 3* Holmes Onkuwaife, 3* Nigel Terrell AND Vince Williams (if Williams isn’t starting at Mike or splitting time at Mike with Luc). It’s a lot to expect a player of his magnitude who wants to get on the field immediately to fight those odds. I wouldn’t blame the kid if he wasn’t a Nole, I just hope he is.
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Best Class Ever??
Hey Bud,
when I first joined TN I asked you what the Noles best recruiting class ever was, can you take the time to remind me again? Thanks.
I believe it was '93
’93 had: P.Boulware, Reinard Wilson, Dunn, EG, Cowart, Tra Thomas, Andre Cooper, Greg Spires…and, hell Bentley even made a few pro teams I think.
But SI has ’95 in its top 15: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/01/29/best-classes/1.html
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Battle for Drew ain't over yet.
Damon Evans, the athletic director at Georgia, was just arrested for DUI. This has football implications, because he may be done as AD at Georgia. This means that if Richt has a bad year, his contract will be in the hands of the new AD.
The more uncertainty surrounding a program, the better. Especially if it involves the the head coach, the person you have a strong relationship with.
I think in the end Drew will be a Nole. The longer he waits, the better our chances.
And today, Evans was fired by UGA for his DUI, and possibly for his "mistress" being there with him
Richt’s biggest supporter is gone, and I’m sure the circumstances around Evan’s arrest and conduct cannot bode well in Drew’s mind.
the stuff that came out in his police report
was just horrific…. literally got caught with panties in hand….
by StM on Jul 5, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Who in the current class or current projected class will EE?
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The names we've heard are Terrence Smith and possibly Nile Lawrence
I may be forgetting someone
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 5, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Just when I thought I couldn't be more pumped about Nile Lawrence...
if he EEs I’ll be grinning from ear to ear.
HELL YEAH!!!
Avoids the stressful (and confusing) last month of recruiting…..AND gives him/them and additional semester of all around development.
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In Nile's case I'm more pumped about the extra semester
Just because he’s supposedly pretty solid to us recruitment-wise.
I hope so...
…..But FSU has had more then it’s fair share of last-minute heartbreak on the recruiting trail, although there was less of it last year once CJF was in total control.
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Williams is still visiting
“Of course schools are still recruiting me. They all know national signing day is in February. Alabama, Miami, LSU are all recruiting me hard right now. USC has also definitely stepped it up too. They are sending me hand written letters every day.”
“I know I will definitely be taking some visits. I’m going to USC for an official visit for sure. Alabama will also be another official visit I’ll take. LSU might also be one. FSU I will visit of course. Miami I can make a day trip so I won’t need to use an official on them. I’ll also probably visit Michigan or Ohio State to check one of them out. Not sure which one yet.”
Taken with everything he has said, this isn't as bad as it could sound.
I expect recruits to still take official, I would. Just a way to make sure they are making the right decision, I would do the same thing. Crazy things happen, but I wouldn’t stress about K Williams.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
Williams?
You are talking about the de williams?
Dame
had a feeling thats who you were talking about!
Why does this scare you?
He is recruiting for the team, grew up a fan, has a brother on the team and likes Jimbo. Pretty much everyone visits these days.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 6, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You wouldn't spend a free trip to Los Angeles?
Other than USC being in the hood, why wouldn’t you go to USC just to see it? I’d take all five of my visits, and reaffirm my commitment to the coaches after every single of them. Karlos is the guy we should be least worried about.
60 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Visits ----
Hawaii – Ucla or USC – Miami – Texas – FSU….
Gotta take those visits. Free food and chix, no matter if you already know where you are going.
I don't know if it is still true but in that past Hawaii only allowed commits to take official visits.
It was too expensive to fly a bunch of recruits out there if they weren’t serious about going to school there.
That's basically what they told ME 10 years ago.
They only way they would bring me was if I brought my All American RB teammate with me…
Damn I wanted that trip!!!
>: (
Oderint Dum Metuant
From the Bronx to Honolulu.....? Wow!
Although you did pretty well with Tally.
LOL......no
I played JuCo in Cali after I got out of the Marines. Most of my team (at least 2/3) was former Jarheads….including him.
I went to high school in Fla (Sarasota Riverview), so coming back to the state was pretty cool after Leavitt turned into a cheap-ass douche.
(they actually asked me if I would consider taking my official visit when I came home to visit my parents for xmass)
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Karlos Williams is the most solid commitment FSU has
You can bet he’ll be recruiting on those visits, just like Vince was whispering in some ears while he was at LSU.
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Looking good for Stanley
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 6, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
Waiting to be released, should know by the end of the week if he gets released.
"FEAR is just the Opening ACT!!!" Coach Coley
You worry a lot about the wrong kids man
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 7, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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