Florida State Will Finish 5th In Final Directors' Cup Standings
by FrankDNole on Jun 29, 2010 10:53 PM EDT
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Today, I am going to go out on a limb and project/predict that the Florida State Seminoles will finish ranked 5th in the final Learfield Sports Directors' Cup Standings, those same final rankings and results that will not be released to the media and public until July 1st. Of course if my calculations are flawed, I am risking the possibility of ridicule, but that's a chance I am willing to take in order to be the first to publish this excellent soon-to-be-released-breaking-news about our Noles' athletic dominance, so that all of our loyal Tomahawk Nation members will be the first to read about this great news.
Regardless if the Seminoles finish ranked 5th, 6th, or 7th (5th for sure), this years final ranking will cap a remarkable season of athletic superiority in many sports, and the best-ever finish for the Florida State Seminoles in the Directors' Cup race.
Again if my calculations are correct, my 5th place projected finish for FSU means that the Noles' now have the 5th most successful inter-collegiate athletic program in the nation for the 2009-2010 academic calender year. This will also represent a 10 position improvement over the previous best-ever #15 ranking, which the Noles' achieved and maintained during the 2006-07, 2007-08, and 2008-09 campaigns.
Additionally, with all the garbage spewing from the loud-mouths of the less intelligent academically challenged conference (YES, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SEC HOMERS) who constantly spout their conference superiority rhetoric and dominance idiocies at every possible opportunity, 2 of the top 5 teams on the list are from the ACC, and potentially 4 of the top 10 teams (UVA, FSU, UNC, and Duke) could very well be coming from the academically superior ACC conference. (How's my acc taste SEC?)
For the first time ever, 100% of FSU's 19 inter-collegiate sports teams advanced to postseason play this year, which is an improvement over last years also excellent 18 out of 19 teams which qualified for postseason games. Florida State maintained athletic excellence as reflected by this projected No. 5 ranking, and for the second straight year, Florida State enjoyed five ACC championships. The Noles were ACC Champions in Baseball, Men's Track & Field, Men's Indoor Track & Field, Volleyball, and Women's Cross Country. Several FSU teams also made national Championships runs, including Women's Cross Country, Men's Golf, Women's Soccer, Women's Volleyball, Women's Basketball, and Baseball* (*projected), who all finished ranked nationally in the top 5 of their respective sports, and which helped boost our point totals in the Directors' Cup challenge.
Last year, FSU had 11 NCAA individual national champions, 36 ACC individual championships, 90 All-America selections, 79 All-ACC honors and 17 end-of-the-year ACC awards. As soon as this years numbers are released by the FSU SID, this story will be updated to reflect those numbers.
The Learfield Sports Directors’ Cup, which is presented annually by the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics (NACDA), recognizes the schools with the best overall sports performances in an academic year. Points are awarded based on finishes and participation in each of the participating institutions top 20 NCAA Division I sports. If my calculations are not flawed, I project the Noles' will finish ranked #5 with a total of 1087.5 points, just behind UCLA, who then follows Virginia, Florida, and with the winner once again being Stanford. There are 278 Division I institutions that are presently ranked in the current Directors' Cup Standings.
The Directors' Cup is a program that honors institutions maintaining a broad-based program, and for achieving success in the many sports that the NCAA offers a championship for in men's and women's sports competitions. The Cup first began in 1993-94 for only Division I programs by the NACDA and USA Today jointly, but was expanded in 1995-96 to include Division II, III and the NAIA.
Each institution is awarded points in a pre-determined number of sports. In Division I, each institutions top 10 men’s and top 10 women’s sports are eligible for points. Points for the Directors' Cup are based on order of finish in various NCAA sponsored championships, or in the case of Division I Football, the USA Today poll.
Here are the final rankings for all of the 19 FSU teams that participate in NCAA inter-collegiate athletics. Ten FSU teams out of the 19, in BOLD, finished their seasons ranked in the Top 10 Nationally in their respective sports.
Here are the final rankings for all of the 19 FSU teams that participate in NCAA inter-collegiate athletics. Ten FSU teams out of the 19, in BOLD, finished their seasons ranked in the Top 10 Nationally in their respective sports.
Women’s Cross Country #2
Men’s Golf #3
Men’s Baseball #5 Tied
Women’s Soccer #5
Women's Volleyball #5
Women’s Basketball #5
Women’s Indoor Track & Field #7
Men’s Track & Field #8
Women’s Tennis #9
Women’s Golf #10
Men’s Indoor Track & Field #12
Men’s Tennis #17
Men’s Swimming & Diving #19
Women’s Track & Field #20
Football #26
Men’s Cross Country #30
Men’s Basketball #33
Women’s Softball #33
Women’s Swimming & Diving #44
Hopefully in the near future, FSU will add another men's sport which will help us out by giving us our full compliment of 10 sports each for men and women. This will eliminate our present disadvantage since we are competing without our full allotment of teams that could generate points in the Directors' Cup challenge, and since FSU does not participate in many of the sports which are point eligible. Some of the sports eligible for points are field hockey, men’s soccer, men's volleyball, water polo, ice hockey, wrestling, bowling, gymnastics, skiing, rifle, lacrosse, and rowing, and many of these are quite popular at other institutions in different parts of the country.
Here is yearly breakdown of the final Directors' Cup rankings for Florida State since its inception.
1993-94=25
1994-95=24
1995-96=24
1996-97=49
1997-98=46
1998-99=39
1999-2000=46
2000-01=35
2001-02=39
2002-03=38
2003-04=22
2004-05=30
2005-06=17
2006-07=15
2007-08=15
2008-09=15
2009-10=5th Place
Incredibly, Stanford has won for the 16th straight year, which is quite a accomplishment even though they accumulate many of their points in many non-major sports categories, but nevertheless, it is still an impressive streak. Stanford has won every year except the first year, 1993-94, which was won by North Carolina. As winners, they will once again receive a Crystal Waterford Trophy.
Incidentally, FSU Athletic Director and regular Tomahawk Nation contributor and member Randy Spetman, is currently serving as president of the NACDA, which is the governing body for this award.
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That's nice and all, but
what it really means to me is that our football money is being seriously misappropriated. I mean, really, the tennis stadium is nice, but I would prefer an interior facelift at the Doak. But good job to our afletes.
Football is the cash cow that feeds the non-revenue sports. That is just the way it is here and at every other major program.
With the creation of the COA (Commission on Opportunity in Athletics) under Title IX,. women’s sports must get a fair % of the athletic budget..
Regardless, I disagree with your assessment
that our football money is being seriously misappropriated.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Could not agree more
You are exactly correct on the Title IX issue. If you look at the finical discloses of the public universities especially in womens basketball only UConn makes any real money with about a dozen that are in the black (all under a million profit) while the football factory schools including FSU all have programs that lose over a million dollars with FSU losing the second most.
But, even with these loses good all around athletic departments are not a hindrance to football dominance its just the opposite its a great recruiting tool as well as fund raising tool. Being able to tell a kid that is about to spend anywhere from 3 to 5 years at your school that he will be able to enjoy a competitive basketball team after winning a bowl game and hang out with world class sprinters is a huge positive that schools like UF and tOSU have used to great success. On the fund raising front it becomes just that much easier to ask for funds on capital projects when you can sell them that an indoor field will help not only win a national title in football but also in baseball and track.
How much more would you like them to devote?
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
by RaysnNoles on Jun 30, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice info
But see, we are spending half of what OSU spends, and a lot less than others. Percentage wise, great, but I want 100%. I don’t recall getting a fake volleyball jersey held up by the volleyball coach on the form sent to solicit me for money- It was Jimbo holding up a football jersey- so yeah, that is misappropriation, whether they are required to do it or not. I also have to walk past an empty new tennis stadium with chairbacks on my way back from the football bleachers. I havn’t looked, but I am guessing the tennis people get real urinals too.
OSU makes almost 3x more and spends more than we even make.
It’s apples to oranges.
by nolesblogger on Jun 30, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Their athletic program barely breaks even
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
I was simply refering to their football revenue and expenses
Of course they can spend twice as much as we do when they generate almost 3x as much.
Many athletic programs barely break even or operate in the red though.
by nolesblogger on Jun 30, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
People have a difficult time grasping that basic economic principle
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
Your expectations are unrealistic
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
Any idea what the next sport will be?
Personally I vote for soccer as it seems more popular in Florida than the other sports. Maybe we could become good at it faster than the other sports.
Rifle sounds good.
I guess ice hockey is out. But please say no to men’s volleyball. Do they give points for wakeboarding?
by Ponder This on Jun 29, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually our men’s club team does very well in hockey. At least they did a few years back when I was down there. I think FSU could run a hockey team but soccer would probably be the better bet as we already have a soccer field on campus.
Hockey is way more expensive than soccer
They will try to get the most athlete participation for the least amount of money
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
Rugby!
Let’s take those drunken boozers and give them some adult supervision!
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Very cheap with good participation numbers
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And we'll all get to learn to sing "Father Abraham"
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Any lacrosse people out there?
Would definitely be on the list, if not, first, no?
74 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
This makes the most sense,
given their facilities upgrade (the artificial turf practice field) courtesy of the football program. At the very least they’ve got the momentum, having been showcased as the opening act for the Spring Game a few months ago.
FSU Football 2010: "Everyone gets a playbook."
there will still need to be a facilities upgrade to not be a joke in the acc
A quick glance at wikipedia showed that most of our competitors have 5,000+ seat soccer/lacrosse arenas. Our soccer complex only has about 1,500. The lacrosse field has maybe 200 seats, but fortunately it is surrounded mostly by a flat parking lot and grass (as opposed to the soccer field, which is bordered by a major road, a parking garage, the softball stadium, and the football practice fields; not exactly room to grow), so it wouldn’t be the biggest deal to pave over some grass, get rid of a row or two of parking, and transform it into a working varsity stadium. I’m sure the Marching Chiefs would love a (second) facelift to their practice field too, as they conveniently need it during the lacrosse offseason.
All that to say, for now I agree with Frank below:
With the current budget shortfalls as they presently are, I doubt there is any new sport being considered at this time.
I think construction would begin on at least one of Jimbo’s football requests (indoor field, new athletes’ dorms, etc) before adding a sport is even brought to the discussion table.
this is the impression i was under also.
The dude is rich
by CrimiNOLElawyer on Jun 30, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he is loaded, I remember when it was built, I lived in New Hall, now Reagen Hall, I believe
I heard all about the field and the lacrosse team, the coach was heavy into the sport, but I cannot remember his background
Next sports...
When I attended Freshman Orientation earlier this month a high ranking Student Boosters Association member told us that women’s beach volleyball was looking to be added since it is about to become an NCAA sport and then the men’s lacrosse team, which is currently a club, will be promoted to an official school sports team. But the school had to add a women’s sport to keep in accordance with Title IX before it could promote lacrosse
by floridasttdr on Jun 30, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I am so all for this!
http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20100527/FSU10/5270326/Beach-volleyball-possible-for-FSU
Why?
http://www.fmft.net/archives/003224.html
and…
http://thesportsunion.com/wordpress/something-to-cheer-about/hump-day-beach-volleyball-buns/
Which means more “talent” at FSU! This sport alone will help our recruiting anywhere from 20% to 40%!
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Whoops! I should have read down further
TriNole83 got it.
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!
Lacrosse would be boss.
The Atlantic coast is lacrosse country. The ACC already boasts some perennial lacrosse powers, as do some some potential ACC expansion target schools (Syracuse).
And if any program should be suiting up for a sport invented by native Americans, it should be Florida State. The real Seminoles played a version of lacrosse in the nineteenth century. Osceola was himself a distinguished player. We have this great history in Florida that can instantly lend a new athletic program a sense of tradition.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool info, thanks for sharing.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
NCAA List of Division 1 Lacrosse Programs
ACC schools playing lacrosse: Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia. A number of Big East schools as well, including Syracuse, Rutgers, Notre Dame and Georgetown.
This list is loaded with academic heavyweights. Brown, Johns Hopkins, Princeton, Yale, and some Big Ten+ schools.
Lots of Ivy in lacrosse. No SEC.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Florida added women's lacrosse
But you’ll never see a men’s team in the SEC unless Title IX is repealed. I don’t know if any SEC schools even have men’s soccer.
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by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Jun 30, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for joining and posting. I've seen some of your comments at EDSBS. Bender rocks.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Thanks, Frank
Unlike most Gators who probably pop in here, I have a vested interest in seeing the Noles succeed.
Also, Bender is indeed great
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains
by Chekhov's Spread Gun Option on Jun 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
With the current budget shortfalls as they presently are, I doubt there is any new sport being considered at this time.
But I agree with you about soccer. Florida has the weather and I believe FSU has the facilities that could be used by a men’s soccer team when not being used by the other sports. With all the recent attention and tremendous TV viewing numbers for the World Cup, with the recent success of the Women’s soccer team, men’s soccer would be ideal for FSU. But again, I doubt anything is in the works due to the lack of money. I was just expressing my desires in the story.to add another team so we would be on a level playing field.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I have read
that we will be adding Women’s beach volleyball in the near future, which would clear the way to add Men’s Lacrosse. This makes the most sense. Need a Women’s sport, beach volleyball is new, popular in Florida, and pretty cheap to start. Men’s LAX is already an established, strong program, and the ACC is an excellent conference for Lacrosse.
Women's Beach Volleyball
will be the next intercollegiate sport at FSU. There was an article in the paper about it about a month ago.
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100527/SPORTS/5270338/Florida-State-plans-to-add-sand-volleyball-for-women
I would probably fly up just to watch a WVB game. ;)
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Depends on that first recruiting class
If an athlete who has the, um, appeal of a Gabby Reese or (to use an example from another sport/school) an Allison Stokke, I’d say it would become very popular with a large segment of FSU fans rather rapidly.
Perfect sport for Florida State.
Anything involving beaches and swimming pools is a natural.
I know a lot of the spectator appeal is based on prurience, but is this a women’s sport that could generate revenue? At least, enough revenue to pay for itself and maybe carry another program?
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
NCAA on Sand Volleyball.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/about+the+ncaa/diversity+and+inclusion/gender+equity+and+title+ix/sand+volleyball
Annual costs:
Salary for coach(es); Scholarships (up to three allowed in 2011-12), travel, per diem, lodging for 10 student-athletes and coach for 3-5 road trips; one official for each championship match of tournament play (other matches called by players); recruiting. Costs to start a program $100,000 – $150,000 depending on # of scholarships and coaching salaries. Operating costs $35,000-$50,000.
Typical Season:
Spring, minimum of 8 contests, at least 3 of which are duals, maximum of 16 dates of competition. As long as sport is an emerging sport, the season must end by the close of the spring academic year. […]
Format for Intercollegiate Play:
Similar to college tennis doubles, a sand volleyball competition will consist of five doubles teams competing in a flighted dual or tourney competition.[…]
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's try that NCAA link again.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice info.
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No women's sport pays for itself
Not even Tennessee Basketball
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
This is pretty much correct
except there are about a dozen women’s basketball teams that make money but only UConn makes more than a million.
Soccer is a natural.
The comments here suggest it won’t be the next sport added. But it can be offered for both women and men. And as you say, Florida would be a great place to recruit. Geography gives Florida State a good opportunity as well to recruit international students (Caribbean, Central and South America).
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
We already have a women's soccer team
and also, soccer is a large sport that would require lots of scholarships, you gotta think what sport can be started without starting multiple women’s sports teams
by seminoles44 on Jun 30, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You;'re right, of course.
I sent that off a bit quickly and meant to add a little more. I’ve followed the exploits of our women’s soccer team, so I know Florida State in particular can’t look there to add female players to balance male players in an expansion. It’s just something I see as a general recommendation of soccer generally as a program sport. (Lacrosse, too.)
The success the Seminole women’s team has enjoyed likely does tell us something about the advantages Florida State would enjoy in recruiting players for a men’s team as well.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt soccer
To add soccer means you need to add probably 2 to 3 women’s sports for Title 9.
Quick and dirty Title IX primer
Its the number of athletes that matter not the number of teams. If you go though all the big programs nearly all have more womens teams than mens teams in fact FSU is the rare school where there is only a 1 team difference. Generally speaking football schools will have either the same number of athletes of each sex or at most about 5 to 10 more male athletes. Football creates the “problem” because there are 85 scholarships that have to be made up. The two major ways that this is accomplished is eliminating male sports and adding women’s sports even if there is no interest. The later is what most of the richest school end up doing.
Thanks for clearing that up. Also, isn't the % of males and females in the general student population also somehow part of the equation. Since there are more females at FSU (THANK GOD ALMIGHTY!),
so unless that is incorrect, that is another obstacle for adding another men’s sport first. But I could be wrong.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
That will be an issue to watch out for
As of now the general student body make up does not matter for Title IX but in the next ten years I think this might become an issue.
Right. That is basically the first prong of the test that is used most often.
“Prong one – Providing athletic participation opportunities that are substantially proportionate to the student enrollment”
That’s from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX), which does a decent job of describing the test for compliance. As I said below, the first prong is generally viewed as the most clear and easiest to meet. Most schools use the first prong instead of risking compliance through the other 2 since there isn’t clear interpretations of the other 2.
by nolesblogger on Jun 30, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. I thought I remembered something about %'s of male/female being a issue, but I didn't want look it up.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Title IX has 3 prongs and only 1 of the prongs has to be met to be in compliance with Title IX
This explanation is only 1 of the potential prongs, but it is the 1 that is used the most often. It is generally regarded as the most clear and easiest prong to meet.
by nolesblogger on Jun 30, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This is great
This is great for not just the athletic department and its fans but the institution as a whole. When you look at the schools the consistently rank high in the Directors Cup standings you see great academic schools with huge athletic department endowments. Any time you can get mention with the likes of UNC, Duke, Standford, UVA and Michigan its a good thing. I know its a causation issue on athletic department endowments where the money schools most likely are good because of the money but it does not hurt that we are doing this on a shoe string budget compared to some of these other schools. And this continued success just makes it more likely either former athletes donate, corporate downers chip in, or a daddy pocket book appears that would like to see continued success.
Slightly off topic but this is a huge area where the ACC dropped the ball in not starting its own network. The ratings will never be even to the levels of a b level regular season basketball game but with the strength of the ACC in olympic sports there would be some market for them and more importantly product that the ACC could offer. This would have helped to offset some of the cost and allowed every school to add programs. The Big 10 and presumably the Pac 10 are going to be at a huge advantage going forward in the non revenue sports.
I still support it.
I know the big sports will be tied up, but our olympic sports aren’t covered in the deal are they? (I think someone said they weren’t). The ACC has some great sports programs, and I’d love for them to be more accessible (I’d watch things like the ACC tennis tourneys).
BTW, congrats to ALL the Seminole teams
This has been a great year, and next year could be even better.
Hear, hear.
Cheers and applause for all these Seminole teams and their coaches.
Abiaka Windclan
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
So The Director's Cup is solely based on athletic performance?
I ask because I was wondering if academics came into play at any point. If so, the correlation would obviously be a positive reflection on the school after the scandal, not only in the national opinion, but even more importantly with the NCAA. If academics aren’t taken into account at all, then this is obviously a moot point.
Anyway, just curious.
Bring back Jeff Bowden...as a pińata.
You are correct, it is a moot point. Strictly inter-collegiate athletics.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
If you break it down by number of overall athletics...
FSU comes out #1. Kind of hard to compete with Stanford’s 30+
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
What formula did you use for that?
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
Here's what the standings would look like, taking each team's AVERAGE points per sport.
Some of this is a tad off due to he got the overall # of some schools athletics wrong. That said, FSU is still very strong. He said that he got the overall # of these schools athletics from wiki. I guess that wiki needs to be updated. lol I This is a fair way to try and look at it though.
(by nole96)
Below is what the Director’s Cup standings would look like if you figured in the number of sports each school participates in. Stanford for example finishes first every year, but their point total is misleading because they compete in far more sports than most schools.
Here’s what the real standings would look like, taking each team’s AVERAGE points per sport.
Final results (including NCAA baseball)
1. Florida State – 63.97 points per sport (17 sports totaling 1087.50 points)
2. Florida – 62.39 points per sport (21 sports totaling 1310.25 points)
3. Texas A&M – 58.10 points per sport (18 sports totaling 1045.75 points)
4. UCLA – 51.54 points per sport (22 sports totaling 1134.00 points) **see below
5. Virginia – 49.57 points per sport (25 sports totaling 1239.25 points)
6. Oregon – 48.73 points per sport (17 sports totaling 828.50 points)
7. Stanford – 48.66 points per sport (31 sports totaling 1508.50 points)
8. Oklahoma – 48.49 points per sport 19 sports totaling 921.25 points)
9. USC – 47.71 points per sport (19 sports totaling 906.50 points)
10. Texas – 46.90 points per sport (18 sports totaling 844.25 points)
- UCLA’s point total was figured with their best case scenario of winning the CWS, but even in the worst case scenario (losing to TCU today) they are still guaranteed to finish 4th.
Congratulations Florida State, pound for pound the best sports school in the country!
Some of this is off a tad due to he got the # of some schools athletics wrong. That said, FSU is still very strong. He said he got the # of sports from wiki. I guess that wiki needs updated. lol
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
you do realize that FSU has 19 sports…right?
nd if you’re going to do this correctly all school sports should be capped at the top 20 sports considering that’s all the Director’s Cup recognizes
Did you miss the 1st and last paragraph?
nole96 missed a few athletics which I explained but the method seems to be fair.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
So if the information is not accurate why repost it stating that FSU is #1
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
If you revised it with 19 instead of 17 that nole96 thought using this formula
- FU
- FSU
- Texas A&M
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Unfortunately the figures you're using are not the final figures, as the final #'s won't be released until July 1st, but possibly could be released today since USCe swept the CWS.
Also, UF and UCLA will be getting some more points for making the CWS, as will FSU, that is how I predicted they will finish 5th over Ohio State and Texas A&M.
Nevertheless, it would be interesting if you use your formula after the final #’s are released.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Exactly what I was thinking
This seems to be purely due to his efforts before he “left.” I know it’s been said here before, but I sure wish there was a way to get him back.
by SteelerNole21 on Jun 30, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You are 100% correct that Dave Hart did indeed upgrade many of the "lesser" sports, including the new Aquatic Center that opened up in June 2008, and he was especially good for the women's sports.
Even though the Aquatic Center open under Randy’s watch, it was all Dave’s doing. As a matter of fact, this same organization that oversees the Directors Cup, the NACDA, honored Hart with the 42nd annual Corbett Award, which is the highest honor one can achieve in collegiate athletics administration, in March of 2008, three months after he "resigned" from FSU. This is very good reading on what he meant to FSU and the ACC.
http://www.nacda.com/sports/convention/spec-rel/031108aab.html
Our loss turned out to be Alabama’s gain, as Hart is now the "AD in waiting" for the Crimson Tide. This was undoubtedly TK’s biggest f#ck up.
Cut and pasted from last years story here
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/6/29/929818/fsu-finishes-15th-in-2008-09
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What was TK's gripe?
Was it the cheating scandal? Something else?
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to beat a dead horse, but here is another cut and paste from something I previously wrote. Apologies for the redundancy to those that have read it before, but this is the easiest way to explain my point.
Dave Hart was rumored to have lead the charge with the boosters to get rid of Jeff Bowden in November, 2006. Bobby was livid with Dave Hart for his role in this conspiracy and was quoted at the time as saying, "It’s just amazing, When things go wrong the first thing they blame is the offensive coordinator. That’s kind of the game we Americans play."
At the end of March, 2007, Hart found out about the cheating scandal and informed TK a couple of days later in the beginning of April. It is believed that TK immediately informed Bobby of the ever growing scandal and here is where it is rumored they conspired to use Dave Hart as the scape goat, and to get rid of him as revenge for his role leading up to Jeff’s $537,000 buyout.
On May 28, 2007, less than 2 months after being informed by Hart of the scandal, TK sent Hart a 2 paragraph letter informing him his contract would not be renewed when it expired in 2009 with no reason given for the non-renewal. But this was not good enough for Bowden and TK, so they kept the pressure on Hart until he finally had enough of the BS, and in October of 2007, Hart told them to F*ck off and accepted a $475,000 buyout, plus a annuity, to leave on Dec. 31, 2007.
IMO, Dave Hart was one of the best athletic directors FSU has ever had and was responsible for much of the success our other teams are having today, especially the woman’s sports. In his 12 years as FSU’s AD, the AD budget and revenues more than doubled, he was the president of 2 different national AD associations, and ironically he was also named Athletics Director of the Year in the Southeast Region in 2000 and 2005.
That is the alleged rumors and the "questionable move" I was referring to.
Hart was so good, he convince the boosters it was well worth it to pay Jeffy a buyout spread over 5 years (I think we are still paying him off), even though his contract was up in a few months after the football season was over. They could have fired him and only paid him for those few months, but Bobby would have been more pissed than he was already. This was the first time in college football history that an assistant coach with an expiring contract was paid a buyout. Usually buyouts are only paid to head coaches under contract with several years left.
Forget all the other stuff Hart did for FSU, just for forcing out Jeff Seminoles everywhere owe Hart a debt of gratitude, We would not have made the progress we have made recently, nor would we be where we are today, if not for Hart.
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Number 5...that's just incredible
considering FSU’s age, budget and endowment (young, little and littler). I believe I read somewhere that Stanford’s athletic endowment is so large, every ship is paid for by it.
Gripper
Lacrosse, Field Hockey, Men's Socer or Hockey.
We already field a team with some of those sports. Just not in the ACC.
I’d like to see any of those. ACC schools are strong in these athletics and good competition would make us much better, quicker.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Hockey!
It would be so cool to be the first southern school with a NCAA Hockey team!
But, talk about expensive. You would have to fly north for all of the the games.
Soccer is intriguing as you might free up a football scholarship if your kicker is on a soccer scholarship.
Doesn't work that way
Kicker would have to be on a football scholly
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
If a player is on scholarship and plays football that scholarship has to come from football
Teams in the past were using swimming scholarships for football players so the the NCAA put an end to that.
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Wow
That blatant huh?
So, that only applies to football?
Scholarship athletes from one sport can walk on to another sport as long as that second sport is not football?
by SeminoleMike on Jun 30, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Unsure
Don’t know of too many athletes that play 2 sports with one of them not being football
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I believe if you play 2 sports, you scholly is applied to the sport with the most athletes on schollies.
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It's interesting
I can see how it could be abused though.
After your football schlorships are used up, you give a swimming schlorship to any player who can swim across the pool.
by SeminoleMike on Jun 30, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I've heard that it is the sport that generates the most revenue for your school.
So at a place like Duke, if Greg Paulus had decided to also play QB his scholarship would have counted towards basketball (assuming Duke’s b-ball program makes more than it’s football program).
I honestly don’t know for sure though, bu this is what I have been told in the past.
by nolesblogger on Jun 30, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe someone out there knows for sure, or has the time to look it up and educate the rest of us.
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Frank was right
You count against the limit of the sport with the most ships. Generally this is football because of roster size. I have no idea how many ships soccer gets though.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 30, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I would guess around 25 but it is nowehere near the amount football gets.
Thanks for the clarification though.
by nolesblogger on Jun 30, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
9.9 for Men and 14 for Women
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9.9 is ridiculous
You can’t even field a whole team.
What’s the reasoning for not having the sports be equal in scholarships for men and women? More Title IX stuff?
by nolesblogger on Jul 1, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
UAH already has (had?) a D1 hockey program
so we wouldn’t be the first, although their future is somewhat in doubt now that the CHA has folded.
FSU having a hockey team would be sweet, and I’d immediately be their biggest fan. It’s too bad it’ll never happen. There isn’t a rink anywhere near Tally and the cost of building one would be astronomical. I suppose they could theoretically play at the Civic Center, but where would they practice?
Then there are so many other things to hammer out. What conference would we join? Who would we play? etc.etc.etc..
by ArsonistSavior on Jun 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, even if the civic center still had ice
not having a dedicated practice facility would be an insurmountable hurdle toward building a program with any sort of relevance.
it would be hard enough to convince hockey recruits to come play in the south in the first place, but when you add extremely limited ice time and having to work around the civic center’s schedule (aka 6AM practices) to that its gonna be downright impossible.
by ArsonistSavior on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a club level team
but they play their home games in Orlando I believe. I found a video once of them beating UF in a tournament, pretty awesome. Maybe on YouTube.
Forget the indoor practice facility! Let’s build an ice skating rink on campus! Students can use it for fun and then we can have a hockey team!
I'm all for that!
I’m a huge hockey fan and was looking forward to at least going to Tiger Sharks games when I moved to Tally, but unfortunately they packed their bags and moved to Macon at exactly the same time my freshman year began.
If there was a rink on campus I’d have been there literally every day.
by ArsonistSavior on Jun 30, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to like anything that helps the Seminoles kick.
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by Abiaka Windclan on Jun 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Frank, you forgot one thing:
If we’re gonna brag, then let’s brag.
Great read as always, and looking forward to early September when I can A) learn Samford’s mascot, and 2) discover the vile and disgusting acts that can be performed on said mascot. With horror.
You know how I know you're bestial? You think those pictures are better than Nick Moody's girlfriend's picture.
That’s why Taylor will like me more than she likes you.
I knew I forgot something
And we even talked about it like a week ago. I worded the comment like a lawyer, though, so I can get out of it.
>>---l>
Sorry DK, even though I posted the picture, I'ma gonna have to side with Matt on the first part, but re: the second part, Carrie>>>Taylor.
http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs157.snc3/18458_251873550677_525285677_3362420_4889850_n.jpg
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Anyway we can post that in every thread?
That is just, just, just so fantastic.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Just like the "surprised turtle," that one also never gets old.
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Its so good, I feel guilty looking at it when sitting next to my gf when she doesnt see my screen.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Thanks TRM. The "surprised turtle" never gets old, does it?
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Anyone feel confident Spetman can keep us up there?
Keeping coaches from leaving, balancing the money between sports, new facilities and whatnot, I know most of the credit goes to the groundwork Hart laid.
I guess Spetman did do good on the hiring of the Volleyball coach, not sure how much the Softball coach has done yet, didn’t really follow the team this year. I did like seeing Jimbo at the Baseball games and the CWS, showing support for other sports is a nice thing to do IMO.
Womens Beach Volleyball will be sweet; one odd comment, it doesn’t seem like it would be that expensive to have Bowling teams, we already have a nice set of lanes in the union, as long as they don’t roll on the Shabbos…
Randy did do good with the Volleyball coach, he resigned and retained Sue Semrau, the women's basketball coach longterm he just hired
an ex-Nole, pro golfer, and Ivy League coach for women’s golf who won several championships as coach, and the ladies softball finished at #33. So he has made some good hires, but it’s his intangibles that I have issues with. Let’s see if he grows a pair now that T.K. is gone.
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Why was softball at #33?
I thought we were a top ten/twenty fixture in that for a long time…
Final season ranking.
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Yeah, but why so low?
Was this a one year slump (young team, injuries, etc.?) or have we been ranked about there for awhile? Again, I thought we usually do really well in softball (I could be several years out of date here, though).
Paging NoleCC
Paging NoleCC
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by RaysnNoles on Jun 30, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
REC. If anyone knows, he does. When he reads this I am sure your questions will be answered. Please stay tuned.
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A quick glance at our recent records indicates I'm probably a bit behind on our softball.
But it seems we had a very nice 03-04 season! And it looks like we did make the WCWS several times earlier in the decade…
That was funny.
Lack of response combined with Invictus13’s and evenflow’s research concerns me though: Is NoleCC a fair-weather fan? Time to ditch the pager and beam the Lady Noles logo over Leon County.
NoleCC enjoys watching the Lady Noles. Can you blame him? I am pretty sure he is a die-hard, but I am concerned the same thing happened to the NoleCC signal, that happen to the Bat signal.
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I originally read that women's bowling was the next on the list
before all the beach volleyball stuff happened. That would be cool. Maybe Garnet and Gold would start carrying sweet FSU bowling shirts. That’s what I’m talkin’ bout…
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