Demar Dorsey Not Accepted (or didn't qualify) at Michigan: is FSU possible?
Demar Dorsey, a safety who committed to FSU before switching to Michigan on signing day, doesn't have the grades to get into Michigan (Michigan won't budge on their academic standards-- nice vote of confidence for Rich Rodriguez), but is qualified under NCAA rules. He is now looking elsewhere, including Florida State.
A recruit who is NCAA Eligible, but who is denied admission by a school, may immediately play for another school. (This has happened in the past at UVA and Alabama).
FSU does have one open scholarship for this term by my count. I do not know if FSU would take him and have not spoken to anyone from FSU about this. Dorsey has some off-field issues that FSU must also consider if it were to take him and I do not think it would be an easy decision either way, assuming Dorsey wanted in.
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i remember
a few negative comments about this kids attitude back when he switched…i think along the line of “its best for FSU that he didnt come”….
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Lock up your children Tallhassee!!
There’s a new Saftey in town!!
New update on the article:
UPDATE 1:32 p.m. ET: According to a tweet from Dave Birkett of AnnArbor.com, Dorsey is qualified as far as grades are concerned and that Florida State is a possibility
I was literally in the process of writing it almost word-for-word.
I bow to your superior typing skills
"Change is inevitable, growth is optional"
I don't know about his "issues"
but I am not into saying a kid shouldn’t be allowed to come or wanted because of random unspecific rumors over the net. If he is qualified I hope the kid finds his way to a D1 campus and flies straight. I always root for kids to do well as individuals because they are being given a great opportunity to get their life together that a lot of kids I know would kill for.
HAH! I'm sure the irony was unintentional...
they are being given a great opportunity to get their life together that a lot of kids I know would kill for.
Rumors aren't unspecific.
They certainly can be found if one wanted to find them.
92 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
forgot we have his police blotter
I was talking more in general about the rumors than specifically Doresy though. A lot of times when a kid is about to go to another school it turns into character assassination time.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If the kid will play by the rules
We have to take him. Suddenly, we have three guys all-world type guys at DB from athletic point of view. This team can take a risk on a kid like Dorsey with Ponder running the team. Dorsey is a big time athlete but Ponder is a leader of men. I’m less worried about a couple questionable characters since the team has been merged back together. We have too many high charactor guys to let a bad apple spoil the bunch.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliners phenomon
Ponder
won’t be there long enough to really influence him. I do understand that you are saying that the culture has changed. Is my reason for not wanting to take him. will be a distraction…from academics to team chemistry. He’s already demonstrated that by switching to UM at the last minute.
Ponder would be there in his first year
Habits are formed early on after Ponder leaves you’ll have a new set of leaders like EJ and a number of defensive players. The environment is the most senative in it’s first year of change. I believe the change has taken place and guys like Ponder then EJ won’t let us slip back to the ways things have been. Ponder may have more to do with victories in the 2011 & 2012 then we’ll ever know.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliners phenomon
It's more than CP
It’s the enviroment as a whole and not just one player. Because of the emphasis on player’s policing themselves more than in the past, we may be able to have a couple of guys that heavy users of uncommon sense on the roster.
"I think therefore I am not a Gator"
If he signed an NLI with Michigan, he has to be granted a release from Michigan
Otherwise, he has to sit out a year.
Even if they don't accept him? How can they not accept him and not release him?
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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There has to be a difference between not meeting ncaa standards and not meeting michigan standards
and you know Rodriguez told him he could get in with his grades, IMO
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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Otherwise, they could lie to kids, get them to sign, deny them, and prevent them from immediately playing for others
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Which begs the question
If you think a kid may not meet NCAA qualification standards, why would you tell him that he’ll get in?
Of course, this is assuming Michigan’s standards for football student-athletes is higher than NCAA standards.
I don't think it should be allowed
But that doesn’t mean it isn’t allowed. I don’t think it has ever happened before so there isn’t a definite answer. What we do know is that LOI’s are good for 1 year, but without seeing what he specifically signed we don’t know if it could still be enforced if he can’t attend the school.
It could make UM look really bad though if they prevented him from attending another school when he can’t attend theirs.
I wouldn't be so certain.
Kid signs a LOI with explicit guidelines on what it takes to be granted admission.
Kid fails to become qualified in the eyes of the school.
Kid is stuck sitting out a year because he screwed up.
That would be stupid if you don't have all the information
If the LOI he signed does not have a clause making it invalid if he is not admitted to UM, then it is very possible that UM could prevent the kid from playing football for another school. Thus forcing him to either sit out for a year or go to JUCO. This doesn’t seem very fair, but it is certainly a legal possibility.
However, if the LOI contains a clause making it void if the player is not admitted to the school, then Dorsey would be able to pick a new school right away. This may be the most likely scenario, but it isn’t definite.
I think you are right
“The National Letter of Intent is not available for public download.”
From the NCAA website. How is that not the biggest pile of shit ever? Aren’t public school contracts considered public documents (at least in places like FL)?
What I meant to add to the post...
From the pdf titled “Reference Guide to the NLI” on the ncaa.org website:
How is the NLI declared null and void?
Denied admission.
Does not meet NCAA, institutional or conference eligibility requirements.
I kept reading
and it seems that there is a difference between an invalid LOI and a null and void LOI. An invalid LOI would be one that is not accompanied by a parent/guardian signature, etc. Dorsey’s is one that would be declared null and void. Again from that pdf:
If NLI is declared invalid, prospective student-athlete is permitted to sign another NLI during the same signing period.
If NLI is declared null and void or a complete release granted, prospective student-athlete is not permitted to sign another NLI until the next signing year.
How this affects things, I do not know. Would Dorsey’s inability to sign a LOI for a year mean we could let him play but that we couldn’t offer him a scholarship?
So thing aren't as cut and dry as we would think, or maybe as they should be
We really don’t have enough information to reach a definitive answer
right
Randy Moss originally signed with Notre Dame, and was denied admission based on a minor run in with the law (ND has a “no arrest” kind of admission standard being a Catholic school). He was admitted to FSU though, later kicked out due to another run in with the law.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 7, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever. I think you're worring over details that likely don't exist in a uniform contract.
That’s my opinion and I’m okay with betting my house on it!
Giddy-up!
You'd be surprised what details exist in many uniform contracts
Also often many of those can be deemed invalid.
It seems to me...
that a LOI without such a term could easily have it read in as an implied term. It would be odd for a school to be able to promise to provide certain things (academic/athletic scholarship, NOT playing time), fail to provide such things (here he cannot attend their school and will not receive a scholarship), and then be able to keep their benefit of the bargain. That is, unless this is looked at as one of those “you need to meet certain criteria and we are relying on you meeting that criteria” type of things.
Then again I have no knowledge of how these things operate. Obviously we need to see the LOI to see the terms. Also, it would help to know why he did not get admitted. I would imagine that his failure to receive acceptable high school grades would provide for a different outcome than his reliance on false statements from UM.
NCAA Qualified
would just mean that he has graduated and filed the necessary paperwork and jumped through all of the other hoops, would it not? In which case that would have nothing to do with grades or test scores.
It's the players' decision about where to attend school
a 1-A institute cannot force someone to attend a prep school or JUCO if they are qualified to attend a 4 year institution.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Doesn't seem likely.
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How do we know Dorsey didn't change his mind?
In light of the NCAA investigation, etc.
I guess we don't.
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Or the NCAA investigation made Michigan tighten things up...
But all I’m reading is that Dorsey won’t be on Michigan campus, but that some think he met NCAA academic standards… not a lot of info there.
Wild speculation.
Geez.
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Do we know this for sure though
Has it ever happened before? It seems like the best option, but sometimes things get screwed up.
Worst case is that he sits out for a year and then signs wherever he wants. He could also go to prep school for a year to stay in playing shape (but he’d probably have to keep his grades up). I wonder if he went to JUCO even for a year though if he would have to stay until he got a degree from the school.
If he doesn't qualify then he is allowed to sign with anyone
Only question is when.
I’m not 100% on the when, but hopefully he can sign for a school’s summer session.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
My best guess
I think Michigan would have to release him from his LOI (think back to Clemson and Markish Jones), which they should do since he can’t go there anyway (although they may hope to sign and place him). Then, Dorsey would be free to go to any school he wants without sitting out since he was not actually enrolled at Michigan.
If Dorsey enrolls here
how does that affect our DB recruiting this cycle?
by PadraicTheSeminole on Jun 7, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
Makes things extremely interesting.
Karlos Williams is safe between the size for LB, and his current abilities at Safety. After that, I don’t want to speculate.
92 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
IMO Cortez, Williams, Smith have to be safe... and how do you turn down a Lowndes kid and a teamate of Smith's
They all come, but we’re definatly finaly done!
Demar and Pars would be deadly in a couple years…
Giddy-up!
If we have 1 scholly left
And its between Dorsey and Jones and both will be eligible this year, give me Jones
by Quentin C on Jun 7, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes i would
Dorsey sounds like Fred Rouse 2.0
by Quentin C on Jun 7, 2010 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say give me Dorsey.
He has the potential to be a game changer in our secondary, especially with Stoops coaching him up. The thought of Joyner, Reid, and Dorsey in the backfield together gives me chills. Few teams could possibly match that athletic ability.
by PadraicTheSeminole on Jun 7, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
It would give FSU a scary defensive backfield in 2011 and 2012. I say give him a chance. If he’s interested. I’m not upset a kid chose Michigan over us, especially when Rich told him he was going to use him on offense and special teams too. He has game changing speed, IMO….
by NoleySmokes on Jun 8, 2010 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I take whichever one can help us more now.
Because I have faith recruits will come in to fill holes later. If Jones can play de/lb and play it well in 2010, I’d take him over Dorsey. We’ve got a lot of green guys in the defensive backfield. Don’t think Dorsey would immediately improve that. And don’t think he would improve that much more than a few current players/commits will do either.
Tough decision though.
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Dorsey is more talented than the DB recruits we are going after right now
and I believe we have more quality depth at LB than DB, and Jones is too small to contribute on the DL in situations other than pass rushing. With the new support systems Jimbo has created, I think it is likely that Dorsey would pan out. And if he doesn’t, just boot him off the team. He is too talented to pass up unless the reason he was not admitted to Mich is something seriously bad that no one is talking about. If he enrolls, our secondary becomes one of the best in country in 2-3 years. He would be perfect as FS in a cover 3 scheme.
by PadraicTheSeminole on Jun 8, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how this affects
I found this link indicating that he signed a LOI to a Community College. Its the second article on the page.
That's right. I remember the news about him signing to a Community College.
I wonder how this will play out.
92 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
I think it's old. I remember this story.
Nonethelss, I don’t know the legality of these things. Can he now choose FSU? Or is his forced to go to the Community College because he promised to go there if not qualified by Michigan?
92 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
The article states that you can LOI both Juco and FBS, why wouldn't it be the same with FSU??
I think he’s not gotten in and doesn’t want to play JUCO. We’ll se how it plays out.
Giddy-up!
We don't know the logistics of it.
Is it because he doesn’t qualify academically? Or is it some other issue? If he doesn’t qualify academically, then I have to assume he’s going to Community College. It’d be like if we signed Jason Pierre-Paul, and since he didn’t qualify for FSU, he goes to USF instead of the Community College he signed to.
92 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Hehe didn't qualify for FSU heheheh!
Kidding man… no way we wouldn’t accept a 5* who qualifies by NCAA standards.
Giddy-up!
I must not be articulating well. My fault.
I think FSU would want Dorsey. I’m wondering if he’s allowed to go to FSU. Is it proven he can just go to FSU if and when released from Michigan’s LOI, or must he honor his JUCO contract? I don’t know. Does anyone?
92 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Me either the Michigan article says he can choose not to honor a Juco LOI for an FBS one.
They’re saying he can go to an FBS school just not another Juco.
It would have to be true in both cases.
If legaly he can have a contract to both Juco and UM it would have to apply to Juco and FSU
Giddy-up!
JUCOs aren't part of the NCAA
So it would then be an issue of would the JUCO want to challenge the NCAA LOI in court. Can’t see a JUCO willing to go that route.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 7, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there's any basis on challenging anything.
Kids sign loi’s to D-I schools all the time in baseball and wind up going the juco route because it can get them re-drafted sooner than at a D-I program. Don’t see how that wouldn’t be any different than spurning juco for D-I.
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Can't see him at CC
I dont see a five star recruit waiting out the grades in a Community College. He is going to want to play now
Junior colleges are not governed by the NCAA
so his signing would have no bearing. Actual enrollment might though.
According to a source on Twitter...
Demar Dorsey starred in an Urban Meyer dream last night as the pool boy.
by coonhound on Jun 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that was strong..
i just hope demar didnt cause an esophagus to get clogged again..
Got the answer and have edited the fanshot.
If he is NCAA eligible, and denied admission by the school, he can IMMEDIATELY enroll at another school and play immediately with no penalty. Was given multiple examples of this.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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Interesting to know.
If not FSU, does anyone know where he’s interested? Louisville would love to take him, I’d imagine.
92 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
IMHO.....
This boils down to two factors…..
Is he better than what we have in place/coming?
Can we keep him out of trouble?
If both are yes, i think we have to take him.That being said, I DO NOT WANT to burn bridges w/ Lowndes.
Just my .02
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
I think the big question is your first one.
Our coaches wouldn’t have done everything they could to land him last year if they thought he’d f everything up.
As for burning bridges with Lowndes, I highly doubt we’d do that, and why would specifically Hunter get tossed aside to make room for Dorsey?
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Not specifically Hunter,
Specifically the pipeline from Valdosta. Not sure who would get dropped if it was necessary.My guess would be Davis since he’s teetering anyways, then again,i’m working w/ limited info.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
interesting
that article quotes his high school coach as saying he is qualified, with “2.5 or 2.6” GPA and an 18 on the ACT.
Same coach seems to think (would he be right?) that though Dorsey signed an LOI with a JUCO, it was only as a fallback if he didn’t qualify for a Division 1 school.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 7, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume that's core gpa?
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I don't think DD could make it through Jimbo's program
his life would be completely regulated—where and what he eats 3 times a day, etc. A program like Jimbo’s is what he needs but I think the kids a mess. Remember he chose Michigan over an in state school like FSU b/c he wanted to get away from his peers. Too many red flags, we’re good w/o him.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
This doesn't add up.
Rodrigez is desparate for some sign of success at this point in his UM tenure, and is desparate for this kind of player to bring it to him. If Dorsey is academically qualified and Rod.couldn’t get him in, then there are some serious “other issues”.
And if Fisher takes Dorsey with “other issues” despite the speeches Fisher made about now focusing on recruiting character, then all that was just empty rhetoric, and he loses credibility imo.
Apparently, Ann was wrong. :)
Load of crap.
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You're assuming Michigan is denying him due to behavior
and not grades.
My guess is it went like this:
RR: Just make the ncaa requirements
DD: ok
DD: coach i got my 2.5
RR grea—-
Michigan Admissions: um… no
RR: what?
DD: what?
My guess is UM admissions doesn’t like RR and is flipping the script, telling him he has to make the michigan standards mnot the NCAA standards
Also, there is no doubt Michigan has higher standards for athletes than southern schools.
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I find it odd that if this is the case, no one has come out and said it.
I would have at least expected his HS coach to suggest he got screwed by RR.
RR is screwed.
I have to say, I love the WVU took a stand. RR will rebound in the next few years, but he will never forget what he did to WVU.
Michigan reallyt turned on him. I have never seen the tide turn so quickly.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
He is a bad fit for their program.
It’s a clash of personalities.
by PadraicTheSeminole on Jun 8, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
How much tougher are Michigan standards than the NCAAs really?
Are we talking a good bit or smidgen? If not by much I do not know the FSU coaches would take him now, since all you have written indicates they want kids who are not likely to fail out.
I think a good bit unless they waive them
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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We will have enough support to make sure the kids don't fail out
Saban has lost 1 of more than 70 recruits so far to grades.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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I get that this kid has talent
but seriously, I think you guys should want to avoid him. I’ve seen you guys call Meyer dirty, and imply that he cheats, and steals his way to good recruits. Well Meyer cut this kid loose, not the other way around. If Meyer is willing to cut a top 15 overall recruit loose, there are some serious baggage issues. You have the multiple arrests, Florida pulling his offer, and now this…my advice would be to read the huge, enormous, massive writing on the wall, and let him be another schools problem, talent be damned.
I was under the understanding that Meyer pulled his offer because he had a glutton of safeties committed
I also thought Michigan did have stringent academic standards, so it seems possible that they signed him thinking he could reach them in his final semester (perhaps he just missed by a bit). Without anything new on the blotters, I think we should all be reluctant to jump at attacking the kid’s character. I have faith in Jimbo’s judgment and I have faith in DD’s talent. If he wants to come here and Jimbo is willing to take him, so be it. I’d welcome the kid with open arms.
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If he wasnt qualified academically, I think his HS coach would have said as much.
No one is saying why, which is concerning.
Did Meyer pull his offer before or after he visited FSU and tell UF recruits he wasn't going to UF?
They didn’t ‘pull’ his offer until AFTER his FSU visit. After said visit UF fans posted his criminal record online so we are well aware of his past thank you. Frankly, I’m more concerned with this cycle of recruits at the present time. But if Jimbo does in fact take Dorsey, he has ALL the leverage. Mainly due the fact FSU’s plans were not inclusive of Dorsey to begin with and now he needs a shot.This would be perseived as Dorsey’s last chance (Before JUCO or worse) and if he so much as sneezed in the wrong manner he would be cut at a moments notice. Not to be rude, but spare the hypocrisy
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 7, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, wcnf
Nobody is attacking the kids character. However, we’re free to discuss our individual opinions depending on what we know to be true. We’re aware how Meyer operates, so there’s probably reasons on both sides why the offer was pulled.
Besides, Meyer drop a kid for character issues? That’s funny.
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 7, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
where exactly
is the hypocrisy my comment? I merely pointed to the red flags that should be just as easily apparent as this kids talent. Also, simply saying “not to be rude” doesn’t mean that you’re not actually being rude.
If I was rude then so be it
The hypocrisy lies in the fact that UF signed Gary Brown, Torrey Davis, Wondy Pierre Louis, etc etc. Folks in Percy Harvin’s own hometown said that Percy was an NFL talent but his ‘issues’ would probably derail his career before he got to the league. However, UF indentified the talent and signed the talent and I would’ve done the exact same thing. It’s hypocritical to try to ‘warn’ FSU about a kid who was commited to you guys for well over a year. You knew about the two criminal charges but the offer still stood. He visits FSU (And silently de-commits) and the offer was pulled. Sorry, that was not a morality play by Meyer, it was a flat out face-saving measure.
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 7, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll second that.
WCNF is one of my favorite posters..
"Dear Angel Hernandez and Joe West. You Suck. Please Resign. Sincerely, Everyone"
by Randall W. Spetman on Jun 7, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I appreciate the kind words
Too bad SWFLNOLE thinks I suck. cardsfan25 is okay. But Will Hill? Carlos Dunlap?come on! Championships AND hypocrisy? Something has to give!
And cardsfan25: Travon Van is not from New York.He’s from my hometown here in San Diego and attended the same HS as Bush.A former UF staffer (Troy Starr) is the HC there. He graduated in 2008 and prepped in NY (grade issues)
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 7, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't
know that about Van. Hopefully he has those issues straightened out. Was he a beast out there in San Diego? I realize that this question probably wasn’t the intended reaction, but I’m curious.
Check it out for yourself
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=55554022
He’s not Dillion Baxter or Brennan Clay (Oklahoma) IMO but I think he’ll do the trick. Played youth football for the Skyline Tigers (same as Clay). I had some friends who played there and even more buddies who played for their rivals the Valencia Park Hornets who I rep forever. Two heisman trophy’s each baby! Rashaan Salaam (Skyline) and Marcus Allen(V.P.). BTW Van’s grade issues are resolved and he’ll be in Gainesville soon.
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 7, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Just found out if didn't qualify after all and is going to Marshall
Wow
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 8, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I was coming
on here to post the exact same thing. I just saw that he didn’t qualify. It would appear you were well informed about his academic issues.
you're
really missing the point, and being generally defensive for no reason. If Gary Brown had multiple arrests, and had shown to be as flighty as DD has to this point, I would’nt have wanted him either. You’re attacking players that got in trouble, after the fact. If there were red flags, like they are for DD for these guys, then Meyer and the coaching staff were foolish to enroll them. The whole point is to identify potential problem guys like Brown, before they make the university look bad, not after. You’re acting like I’m attacking DD because he “decided” not to go to UF. I’ll admit that I prefer the idea of him playing in Mich, as opposed to FSU but that’s only because FSU is on the schedule. Like I said when he committed to UM, I think you guys dodged a bullet…you have a wonderful night. You’ve got a real nice demeanor about you
Just remember to lock up tonight
Or else you might hear
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 8, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
sportsmanship is not in young Mr. Dorsey's vocabulary
by Caveman Mafia on Jun 8, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I was wrong for that comment to be honest
I do wish Dorsey luck where ever he goes. I can practically guarantee everyone on TN will follow his college career. Where ever it does take him, for better or worse
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 8, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
its ok.....
your vid is pretty funny, but the one I found is kind of concerning. His behavior on the field of play is what bothers me the most. I understand that we were looking at an all-star game with “outlaw rules” (for those who play softball…you know what I mean), but I have always appreciated players for acting like they’ve been there before. In the video I linked to, Dorsey is seen making some absolutely routine plays with the end result of a 30 second long celebration. The part that got me the most was him crossing the line of scrimmage taunting the opposing team. I just don’t like it.
by Caveman Mafia on Jun 8, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't read too much into his behavior in the all-star game.
And plenty of great players are outlandish and have big personalities. Deion Sanders worked out well for us. Swagger and confidence can be a good thing.
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Hmm.
J. Jones and Dorsey. Any idea when these kids may make decisions? I doubt both (if either) pop up at FSU, but if they did that could be interesting. (How much) Would Dorsey affect our recruiting rankings for this year?
By the way, are we currently in a position where we would have to drop anyone before the season, due to scholarship limitations? (I forget…)
Such a divisive issue...
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
Isn't it always with Demar? Lol
I’ll say this: If Dorsey was a nole everyone would love him as a player. Provided he stayed out of trouble and didn’t embarrass the program. G5 Swaggzilla for sure. But he’d be in the defensive backfield with Swaggasaurus Rex (DD).
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 8, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
FSU has a lot to rebuild
and a reputation is the hardest thing of all.
Apparently, Ann was wrong. :)
by PeachTreeNole on Jun 8, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny how people get self righteous about these types of things
Think UF is giving back their 2 NC’s anytime soon?
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 8, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree wholeheartedly, our dynasty teams were brimming with swagger.
And we were known as one of the most penalized teams in the nation. I can see being concerned with possible character issues, but him being brash and cocky on the field will not be a detriment to our team. That is the style nowadays, and for some people (older, whiter ones usually) are uncomfortable with it. However, if we get results I don’t think anyone will be complaining.
>>>-----------;;;-->CP7 for Heisman>>>-----------;;;-->
DO NOT WANT
My stance hasn’t changed from when we were recruiting him. There’s no denying that this kid has great talent, but do not want based on his past.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
Just read he was released from LOI
This is my first post
loi release vs null and void
Currently going through a similar situation, signed loi, applied for summer class at the instituiton and was denied admission since final senior transcripts (needed to qualify) have not been evaluated by the ncaa. It rendered the loi null and void.
My options are once cleared hope I stiil have the schooly and apply for fall if it’s not too late.
If it’s too late to apply for fall, and once cleared request a release from the loi and open up recruiting immediately.
If it’s too late to apply for fall, and once cleared play JC football this fall then transfer in Jan or open up recruiting.
Any thoughts?
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