Nick Marshall Chooses To Play Defensive Back
For Georgia. FSU wanted the kid at quarterback, but that was going to be extremely tough for Marshall considering he wanted to play hoops as well. Two-sport quarterback is very difficult to do and it often prevents the player from excelling in either (spare us the Chollie Ward, that was a different era of football that required a different time commitment). In any case, Marshall determined the best way for him to play both sports was to assume a position other than QB.
UGA had only recently offered Marshall as a DB (as did GTech), having originally wanted him to play QB. To our knowledge, FSU never wanted Marshall at DB, as the 'Noles already have a tremendous crop of DBs.
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IMO I don’t think we should sign a QB this year… starting recruiting a 2012 QB hard ASAP….
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Why don't you think we should?
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Actually, I've changed my mind
I think Rivers or Brissett (but only for FB, not FB & BB). Also it’s likely that new QBs will emerge who are currently off the recruiting radar.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Ok.
I think there are definitely FSU level qb’s out there and we’ve still got 8 months to go, like you said.
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Sounds like his heart is in BB
I guess Brissett and Rivers are still on the table, but a couple of really good OL or DL would make me just as happy this year.
Too many comments writing off qb's
Between here and tharinger all I seem to hear is oh well let’s look for a qb next year (when we miss on a qb). Same thing happened last year. Don’t remember who the qb was but at that time it was go all out on LeMay. LeMay goes to UGA. Then it was Marshall. Marshall to UGA. Now it’s let’s make a hard push for 2012. This is not directed at the above poster, just in general.
Do those of you who get more info/see more think that our back ups are capable of handling our team- not Manuel- I know he is.
I just don’t see the lack of pull for a qb for us and by a qb I mean high 4*-5*. what if Manuel has a huge year next season and leaves early…maybe I’ve just finally gotten excited about our qb play and the thought of it regressing is terrible to me.
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by nolefan07 on Jun 9, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just don't like using (wasting) a scholarship on a sub-par QB
who we never really intend to get meaningful reps. I agree, however, that there’s a worry about EJ getting injured or leaving in 2011…
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I agree 100%
The lack of interest by top qb’s concerns me. And when we whiff on one after the other it just turns to eh let’s wait and go hard after insert name name year. Kinda sucks IMO.
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by nolefan07 on Jun 9, 2010 9:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have to take a QB every year without fail. It is the most important position on the field.
Cannot afford to only have three.
No shot EJ leaves in 2011, though. Kid is nowhere near ready.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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I agree somewhat
We really don’t have to sign a QB this year. I think, unless EJ plays lights out next year, he’ll be back as a SR. On the otherhand, I think Will Secord could end up transferring. He’ll be our 3rd string QB and if Ponder goes down (God I hope not), we all know EJ can get it done, or if EJ goes down, that the only real way Secord see the field, or if CP or EJ screw up somewhere, which I don’t see happening.
by NovaNoleJordan on Jun 9, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Simple
Clint is the son of a coach, he’s going to always get the edge, if it’s a close race. They will battle it out for the #2 next year, but if Clint show better progression that Will, it’s over for Secord. Either way, I like both guys!
by NovaNoleJordan on Jun 9, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
doesn't work like that. Not pop warner.
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You got it right at the end there.
The player that shows better progression will get the edge. I agree.
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don't write secord off so quickly
after I got over my “who the heck is that at QB” at the spring game, he showed me a few things.
by StM on Jun 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Secord is in line to start in 2013, right?
Do you think EJ has NFL talent?
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I believe he probably thinks Secord gets beaten out by Trickett
but none of have any real information to make that seem highly likely.
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Ah, that group, Got it.
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The verdict is still out
While I think from a physical standpoint he does, but I want to see his ability to “REALLY” read coverages.
by NovaNoleJordan on Jun 9, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
His arm really needs to improve a ton now that it is healthy.
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I think his arm strength is good enough
Really, unless you’re Brett Farve, your arm will never be super strong. However FSU said EJ was playing with a hurt shoulder all last year. I personally don’t believe it, I think EJ got hurt when he went in for the TD against WVU.
by NovaNoleJordan on Jun 9, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
it was really injured. Believe it. He was selfless and elected to not have the surgery and miss the season
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Secord was pretty impressive in the spring game. Not sure why so many are willing to dismiss him so quickly.
Not really
I don’t think people are dismissing him, but unless someone get injured, he may not see the field until his SR year, if he can beat out Clint next!
by NovaNoleJordan on Jun 9, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Clint has to beat him out, not the other way around.
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So you would rate trick and secord in a group of LeMay and Marshall? I’ve heard all the comments on our back ups and their progress but obviously it would be nice to get a more nationally recognized recruit for the most important position.
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by nolefan07 on Jun 9, 2010 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not with Lemay, but with Marshall
FSU is not even close to being an elite program. Why would we expect elite quarterbacks to come?
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Manuel chose to...
Even when bowden was still around. I’d just like to see us stand a chance more than being dropped like a rock so quickly.
Thanks for the info on trick and secord!
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by nolefan07 on Jun 9, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you think UGA is an Elite program?
I don’t.
/I’m not concerned one bit about QB play. Fisher will coach them up. Ponder was only 3*
The Funk Phenomenon.
Really?
And Georgia, notre dame, washington, byu are elite programs?
always baffles me why you and others on this site talk down of fsu football. yeah, the program sucked for last 7-9 yrs, and i understand we are trying to be as objective as possible on TN. BUT, we can still choose our words better than ‘not even close to being an elite program.’ No?
Depending on Ponder's season and if/where he goes in the draft, I think he might be a great recruiting tool in 2012
I don’t necessarily think you have to be an elite program (although it doesn’t hurt) to get elite QB’s
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oh bud....
with all the answers! how is that kool-aid tasting?
still havent answered my question earlier…..is Georgia an elite program in your expert opinion?
Much better than FSU right now with more money and not playing in a second fiddle conference.
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Clint Trickett has a spring full of action at FSU under his belt
The other two do not or will not.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you! Bud
where have you other people been the last decade? Rember AD? How bout the kid with lime disease. The Rooster anyone?
You mean the QB that caught Lyme disease while digging for 'shrooms under cow sh*t in a cow pasture outside of town?
Allegedly.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Outside of a town in Tennessee, no less.
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Clint Trickett and Will Secord were highly sought after.
And Manuel has no shot of leaving early.
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Maybe
While I actually like Clint, I hope he doesn’t become another Wyatt Sexton. I think Secord, was basically recruited to fill a spot, with no intention of him really seeing real time, but it could happen!
by NovaNoleJordan on Jun 9, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
"highly sought after"?
I’d feel much better if we were talking about an OL.
I don’t get it: Fisher turns a 3 star Ponder into a Heisman contender, yet we can’t get 4-5 star QB’s to come here for several years?
Apparently, Ann was wrong. :)
by PeachTreeNole on Jun 9, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't we get a top 4 QB (4/5*) Manuel in 2008?
Florida has not had the elite prospects in state. FSU isn’t in a position to do much recruiting nationally.
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What do you mean by Elite?
Do you mean 4 or 5 stars?
Robert Marve
Jacory Harris
Tim Teabow
Aarron Murray
by NovaNoleJordan on Jun 9, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad we evaluated well on Harris and Marve
Tebow was a Gator from Philipino birth.
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I thought Jacory Harris was pretty good last year.
Robert Marve, I’m with you. Tebow was pretty close to being at Alabama…that was a signing day decision.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Harris had 17 INTs last year.
Tebow never considered anyone but UF but wanted to have the big show.
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He also had 24 touchdowns,
and seven of those interceptions came in two games. He also had 34 sacks, so his performance with all of that taken into account was pretty good. He wasn’t as good as Ponder, but that’s a tall order. He showed major improvement when a lot of weight was placed on his shoulders and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him develop further this year.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
His passer rating for 2009 was only 7 points lower than Ponder's.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
College Passer Ratings, IMO, are poor representations of abilities.
Tebow had one of the better passer ratings of all time.
Going 24/17 shouldn’t make for a good passer rating (Harris)
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Had 17 interceptions in 1992. Harris isn’t a Charlie Ward (I’m pretty sure), but last season’s struggles do not guarantee that he won’t have a solid 2010. I’m not saying he will, but it IS possible.
Absolutely,
My point and I think others’ points are that he hasn’t proven to be elite yet. He lit up our crappy D and beat Oklahoma and kind of rode the wave IMO.
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He's had basically a season and a half.
He did split time with Marve two years ago, right? I think this season will be the one where he either breaks out and improves, or proves to everyone that he’s a talented guy who throws a lot of picks.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Many of his picks are a result of his arm strength, which doesn't stand much of a change at his size.
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Really?
Is his arm really that weak? I figured it was just decision making.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha.
Well if he improves his decision making, he should be fine. As it is, he’s only averaging like 8 yards per completion, and if he gets the playmakers out wide, the dink and dunk offense could work as long as he’s putting the ball where it needs to be.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Filipino, no?
Was he really born there?
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Yeah
Thats where his parents ran an orphanage and where he goes back and circumsizes children and all that feel good stuff. You must not listen to Verne Lungquist huh? Or Gary Danielson, or Todd Blackledge, or Mike Patrick, or ……………………………
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 9, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I know all about his mission trips and his handling of young boys' genitalia.
I don’t recall hearing he was born there, though. And Thom Brennaman is as bad as anyone.
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by tricknole on Jun 9, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"If you are fortunate enough to spend 5 or 10 minutes with Tim Tebow..
…. your life is better for it"
by vegasnole on Jun 9, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I get that,
but we whiffed on 4-5 star QB’s in 2009, 2010, and apparently 2011.
Perhaps, that’s normal, idk.
Apparently, Ann was wrong. :)
by PeachTreeNole on Jun 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
true. would you speculate
which QB’s we’re still looking at that could very possibly be highly ranked by years end?
Apparently, Ann was wrong. :)
by PeachTreeNole on Jun 9, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Rivers and Brissett
Still 8 months until nsd.
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What made us want them?
I haven’t really heard much as to what Jimbo loves about them. Not trying to knock Trickett, but at first thought i certainly didn’t think he was capable to lead FSU. He played against suspect competition, IMO, at NFC. Thier biggest rival was Maclay, who will be entering it’s 3 year of football this coming fall.
Many folks thought Christian Ponder would be a career backup to D'VO
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Trickett's mobility was Ponder-like on their high school films.
Trickett also seems to have good mechanics and a pretty accurate arm. What’s not to like.
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Agreed there.
But there are many players that need to add weight/strength, so I didn’t list it as a major knock.
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no shot huh?
and you have come to this conclusion based on WHAT?
Lack of experience and at this point, talent.
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4*-5* QBs
Just because they are highly rated guys doesn’t mean they fit what Jimbo is looking for. Same goes for lower rated guys. Doesn’t mean they can’t get the job done. Look at Ponder. If i recall, and correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t he a lower 3*? Has worked out pretty nicely. Can’t look to too muich into the rating systems.
Wasn't Drew Weatherford and X-man 5* QBs?
And that didn’t work out too well for us. The key for us is that we now have a QB coach that has a clue about developing college talent.
X-Man was a 5-star I believe
Drew may have been a 4-star, but we all know he SHOULD have been a 3-star (at best).
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I thought his competition was suspect
and I was simply aiming at his lack of arm strength. But I suppose you are right, my analysis is ex post. Coming out people were quite high on him.
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Drew was a legitimate 4 star
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
His senior season in high school was very blah.
50.7% passing, 20 td, 19 int.
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All the tools were there for that assessment IMO
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand by my comment.
His senior stats weren’t impressive. I don’t know if he should’ve been a R100 type guy but a low 4* type, sure, why not.
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His played on a bad knee his whole senior season
sick junior stats, incredible Frosh stats (in college) and no one should have been surprised by his Frosh mistakes by the end of the year. But, by year 2 the “coaching” caught up to him.
Coaching certainly cost many of our players.
A decade without a solid qb…
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With baggage
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Breaking and entering and trespassing or something like that.
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Try burglary
We’re not offering him
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jun 9, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
"Not FSU material" label
besides, after the way FSU fans treated Drew, I’m sure his other brothers want nothing to do with Tallahassee.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Didn't know that
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew works for FSU Boosters and is still in Tally I think.
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But went to JU.
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if he wants to play D1 basketball - then why did he go to georgia?
someone should let him know about uga hoops
Seriously?
The same UGA hoops who are predicted to have two lottery picks next year and are listed preseason Top 25, just landed Georgia’s Mr. Basketball, and with the commitment of Marshall now have the a Top 150 player in the country on whom they don’t even have to use a scholarship? It seems like it’s not that bad of a deal to me.
If Marshall really isn’t that great of a quarterback (as is being posed here), then what does he have to lose? Obviously quarterback wasn’t that much of an issue for him since he passed up the opportunity to play at Georgia Tech (a system for which he’s a perfect fit), Florida State, Alabama, Clemson, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt. Sounds like he really wanted to play basketball and since he was okay with moving to DB, it’s a perfect situation for the Dogs since they already have Lemay.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Marshall is not a perfect fit for GT
ask Tech fans, their #1 QB is Vad Lee
1) he has never played in an option offense
2) he is mobile, but that is as a scrambler, this goes to not playing in an option attack; there is a big difference between running an option and being mobile
I'm going to have to disagree with you here.
Just because he wasn’t Georgia Tech’s number 1 guy doesn’t negate the fact that he’s a perfect fit for their system. In fact, he was a “silent commitment” to Tech before changing his mind and deciding to play for Georgia. The fact that he’s never run an option in high school isn’t a deterrent. For Georgia Tech to succeed, Paul Johnson is going to have to be able to lock down these kind of guys who are taylor made for his system. Johnson’s a good coach, he was able to take Nesbitt and make him an option quarterback, why would Marshall be any different? Marshall is ten times more suited for the job than Nesbitt. If Johnson wrote off every offensive player in the state of Georgia who hadn’t played in an option, he’d severely limit his recruiting area.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw them recruiting him as both,
but I could be wrong. Fair enough. The announcement I saw had him silently committed as QB/ATH/DB, but like I said, I could be wrong.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
also, recruiting a QB for the option is much different than other positions
since PJ has been at GT he has recruited option QB’s from high school to play in his system, Nesbit was there before PJ
I know Nesbitt was there before PJ,
the point I was making was that if Johnson was able to take Nesbitt, a guy who wasn’t recruited for the option, and turn him into an ACC Championship winner, then he would have no problem doing the same with Nick Marshall. He’s transformed players for his system since he was at Georgia Southern, it’s nothing new.
Paul Johnson was also recruiting Justin Scott-Wesley as a WR, but most knowledgeable fans knew he was planning on moving him to A-back. Don’t put it past a coach to tell a player one thing and then do something else (remember the whole Tebow was going to play LB thing that Urban Meyer told Jevan Snead?).
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, I know coaches aren't always compeltely honest
but Marshall is dead set on playing basketball and most coaches don’t want their starting QB playing another sport.
Agreed.
Which is why this was the perfect situation for Georgia. They already have Lemay, so you get a heck of an athlete to add to your defensive backfield, while at the same time adding a really good basketball player to your basketball roster without having to use a scholarship on him for basketball.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
anyways, my point was arguing your claim that he was a perfect fit for the option
he may succeed in the option, but he is not perfect for it, that is Vad Lee this year
Fair enough.
Perhaps I should’ve worded it more carefully. He may not be a perfect fit (as he didn’t run an option in high school) but he has all the tools to excel in the system, and that’s something of which I guarantee Paul Johnson took notice.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Hes not big enough to withstand the pounding that comes with being the QB in GTs offense.
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Sure he is.
He’s 6’2, 186. Vad Lee, their #1 QB prospect (HT: fsugrad06) is 6’2, 193. Both of these guys will get bigger and stronger after reaching college. Even now, Nesbitt is only 6’1, 215. They’ll get up to that size.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know, 30 lbs is an awful lot of weight for anyone to put on, especially a DB.
Nesbit coming out of HS was already around 205.
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215 may be pushing it a bit.
But I don’t think it would be a stretch at all to see them put on twenty pounds. Nesbitt was at 200 as a senior in high school.
To be clear, I don’t think that Marshall will put on that same amount of weight at DB, but had he been playing QB at Tech, he would have.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was solely referring to him being a QB at Tech.
And 20 lbs would be doable and it just comes down to whether you think that weight would be enough to stay healthy. My personal opinion is that around 215 is a ideal size for a QB in a GT offense.
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The one thing with Marshall
is that the kid looks very skinny right now. When you look at his body type, you can project him out to be a bit bigger based simply on how skinny he is currently.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree he could put some weight on,
I just think that he doesn’t have the frame to put on enough weight to avoid injury as a QB at GT. However he is going to Georgia as a DB and his frame is fine for that, or for being a QB at Georgia or any other school that doesn’t run GT’s offense. He definitely could run GT’s offense, I just think that at 205 if he got as many carries as Nesbitt, you are asking for an injury.
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He doesn't look to have the frame to put on 30 lbs.
But i think he could put on 15-20 in 2-3 years and be alright.
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I deleted the petty academic stuff
no need to bring it into the equation ON EITHER SIDE
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's completely fair.
I wasn’t trying to get into it and I certainly wasn’t trying to start it. I try to keep my posts as civil and as germane as possible.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem
Deleted it because that’s more appropriate for the discussion thread pinned at the right of the homepage should anyone wish to pursue it
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It is hard to say recruiting has gone well at QB since EJ signed.
We have not gotten the high star guys on our list. The QBs we did get may be fine or better than fine but Jimbo is earning his money as a coach instead of a recruiter at this position.
It's really hard to land nationally recruited studs year in year out
Because of the desire of these kids to play early.
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Secord and Trickett had very nice offers (UF, Patrino @ Arkansas, etc)
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Trickett did.
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He had the UF offer and declined it, Meyer moved on
and so you know Rivals isn’t the best “trusted info site” right now
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
he had a UF offer
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That's quite the exaggeration, 93noleman.
I hope that no one else believes that losing out on Marshall and Lemay = Jimbo isn’t recruit QBs fine.
88 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
The bad news is obvious: we missed our #1 QB prospect...
Here’s the good news: Jimbo’s record shows that he can develop 3* prospects into QBs in the Heisman discussion. I just think it’s really important to have a QB who isn’t a purely pocket passer, e.g., Rivers.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
LeMay was our original #1 but
he lost interest in us pretty early on and then Marshall became our #1 QB prospect
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
I was assuming we were talking after we all knew Lemay was gone looong ago.
I don’t believe Marshall was our #1 at that point.
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Who would you have has our #1 now?
I want Brissett and said as much a few weeks ago when the recruiting board went up.
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Any knowledge of how heavily we're on him?
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If you are dual sport
You are not FSU QB material. If you have any interest other then qb you have no business applying. Unfortunately for these kids the way the game is now, you have to make your career choice now. Either your better at one or the other and that’s what your more likely to go pro in so choose that sport. If its football then you have to make sacrifices, if its not football you switch positions and do something different.
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Is he ACC/BE type quality in basketball?
If not, maybe he should stick to football. I would do whatever he’s better at.
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About that good news
I don’t think it’s a disaster that we don’t get our top 1-2 choices at this point. As has been said, we’re not elite yet – and Jimbo has shown that he can work with guys that weren’t considered elite (and guys who others haven’t gotten results from; e.g., J. Russell).
Out of curiosity, is there an online resource where I can find out what past players were rated? The Rivals database on its site apparently only goes back to 2002 – what were players like Weldon, Ward, Kanell, Busby, etc. rated coming out of HS?
Best I think you'll find.
http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1061&CID=90701
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Thanks!
I’ve actually seen that page before, but forgot about it. Doh!
who cares about the past...
right? thats what you guys were saying earlier….
Except...
These posts are about a resource to try and see how our recruits were regarded back during the dynasty years. It’s for MY research purposes, not because I think recruits care about these players. I was curious about how many of our past QBs were considered “elite.” It’s about me, a long time FSU fan, wanting to examine our past – it has nothing to do with what may or may not influence a HS athlete today to come to FSU (which is the discussion “the past” came up in earlier).
Why are you trying to connect things that aren’t connected? Oh, I get it. You must be one of those internet trolls that like to stir things up on rivals’ websites.
Go visit an oracle, Delfi. Maybe it’ll bestow knowledge and wisdom on you.
Something else to watch ...
in FSU’s past, very often there was no QB signed the year after a big recruit was landed, or if there was, it was because something happened to a previous recruit and they really needed to restock the “two year plan” cupboard. In 93 they signed Thad Busby, 94 they signed no QB, as they had Danny Kanell and Busby already. 95 brings Dexter Jackson (converted to safety) and Dan Kendra (blew his knee out, but was one of the top QBs in the country out of high school). In 96, they signed Marcus Outzen, a guy who Bowden admitted was never signed to become a starter (oopsie bowl game ouch). 97, Weinke comes back to campus (originally signed in 90).
So by now, Kendra’s trying to move to fullback after his injury and the backup job is looking a bit sparse. In 98, they sign Jared Jones as a potential redshirt, but he of course REAAALLLY wanted hotdogs, and was kicked off the team. 99 brings Anquan Boldin, who wasn’t really recruited for QB, and Fabian Walker, who is the best Div 1-AA national championship QB we ever signed (er, Valdosta State, that is). And then the cycle continued. Chris Rix was forced into starting his freshman year because we just didn’t have anyone else who could go, and he remains the only 4 year starter at FSU since the Bowden era began. Nobody we signed after him could take the job away. McPherson was a bust off the field, Sexton put the lyme in the coconut and drank da bowl up … this led to the dual signing of Xavier Lee and Drew Weatherford, neither of which panned out (coaching issues here).
Bottom line, when they’ve felt they have a clear starter, a good younger backup to groom, and one or two filler guys, FSU has never pushed hard on elite QB recruits. Bobby liked to have two years between them, so when it came time to start, the new starter was a redshirt junior with three years in the system. Whether that was smart or not, I can’t say, except that it did bite us in the ass a couple times (Weinke saved the team bigtime, but nobody saved it from Rix). But not to worry. We have a fantastic starter, a big-time backup being groomed to take over, and a couple guys behind them that are capable of running the scout team and pushing whoever they recruit next for the eventual starter role. If there’s no QB this year, it’s not a huge deal.
by tuckwell on Jun 10, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
REC. Nice job tuckwell, even though it brought back some painful memories.
Any of the newer members who might be interested in catching up on what tuckwell is talking about, here is something from the archives for those interested in some of our history.
Another relic from the Bowden era: The QB succession plan
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I hope someone else REC's tuckwell and turns this puppy green.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
granted!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 10, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Painful indeed.
I had forgotten about Jared Jones to be honest, not sure how … that was incredibly bizarre.
To further tuckwell's point, "We've always started redshirt juniors," Bowden said. "You were always a redshirt junior before you started, even Charlie Ward, as great as he was."
For FSU, a Question Mark at QB
By Mark Schlabach
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 15, 2005
Florida State quarterback Xavier Lee sat through nearly two hours of interviews Sunday morning with tape recorders and television cameras thrust in his face. A year ago, nobody wanted to talk to him during the Seminoles’ annual media day.
“Last year, I couldn’t get a camera in my face for nothing,” Lee said. “The only camera in my face was my mom’s camera.”
But things changed drastically for Lee and another Florida State quarterback, Drew Weatherford, over the summer. Junior Wyatt Sexton, who was supposed to assume the starting quarterback job he won from Chris Rix last season, had Lyme disease diagnosed after police found him lying in the street claiming to be God. With Sexton undergoing aggressive treatment that will sideline him for the 2005 season, the Seminoles will start either Lee or Weatherford in their Sept. 5 opener against Miami at Doak Campbell Stadium.
It is quite a change for the Seminoles, who have historically started upperclassmen at quarterback during Coach Bobby Bowden’s three decades at the school. Charlie Ward, the 1993 Heisman Trophy winner, had to wait three seasons before he became the team’s starting quarterback as a junior. Casey Weldon, the runner-up in voting for the 1991 Heisman Trophy, wasn’t a full-time starter until his senior season. In fact, until Rix became a four-year starter last season, there had been only one other three-year starting quarterback under Bowden — 2000 Heisman Trophy winner Chris Weinke, who was a 26-year-old sophomore after playing minor league baseball for six years.
“We’ve always started redshirt juniors,” Bowden said. “You were always a redshirt junior before you started, even Charlie Ward, as great as he was.”
Bowden usually stockpiled quarterbacks to ensure his team would have an experienced passer waiting in line. But once Weinke graduated after the 2000 season, the Seminoles’ plans unraveled. Jared Jones, a highly regarded passer from Washington, was dismissed from the team in January 2001 for multiple violations of team rules. Joe Mauer, the nation’s top quarterback prospect from St. Paul, Minn., could have been a senior at Florida State this season, but he was the No. 1 pick by the Minnesota Twins in the 2001 baseball draft. And Adrian McPherson, who started several games for the Seminoles as a sophomore in 2002, was kicked off the team for gambling, theft and forgery charges.
So when Rix left after a largely mediocre career, Sexton was the only experienced quarterback left in the program. The son of Seminoles assistant head coach Billy Sexton, he was supposed to hold the job until the more talented Lee and Weatherford were ready to start. But Sexton was suspended from the team during the summer for an unspecified violation of team rules and then was hospitalized following his bizarre behavior, leaving the Seminoles with only two freshman quarterbacks.
“I’ve got one quarterback that played — he got one play,” Bowden said. “He’s the veteran of the group. But there could be a lot worse news to that. Worse news is that you ain’t got nobody to take his place. Worse news is that you’ve got two quarterbacks that don’t have any talent. These guys have talent.”
Lee, who broke most of Florida’s high school passing records during his career at Seabreeze High School in Daytona Beach, has never taken a snap in a college game after redshirting last season. Weatherford played in only one game last season and sprained his right ankle on the first play against North Carolina. He underwent surgery for a torn tendon in his right ankle after spring practice.
Neither quarterback did enough to separate himself during the Seminoles’ first five days of preseason camp. Most observers expect Lee to start against the Hurricanes because he’s more athletic and has a stronger arm. When Lee was asked Sunday whether he had really thrown a football 70 yards while kneeling on one knee, he said, “Yeah, that’s true.” Last season, he tore a hole in cornerback Antonio Cromartie’s new gloves while warming up on the sideline.
“He’s calmed down a lot since he got here,” Seminoles tailback Leon Washington said. “When he first got here, everything he threw was [a rocket]. I told him he didn’t have to throw everything so hard.”
Weatherford, from Land O’ Lakes, Fla., admits he isn’t as athletic as Lee but is confident he can win the job. “I can make any throw he can make, and vice versa,” Weatherford said.
Lee and Weatherford insist they have remained good friends during the competition. They go to movies together and play against each other in video games. In one game, EA Sports’ NCAA Football 2006, Lee plays against Miami while using his likeness at quarterback. The game even has his long braids hanging out the back of a gold helmet.
“The first time I played Miami, they beat the snot out of me,” Lee said of his video gaming experience. “But after that, when I got some experience, I was pretty good.”
Three weeks from now, in front of a sellout crowd of more than 82,000 and a national television audience on Labor Day night, Lee won’t get a second chance against the Hurricanes. “One of us is going to get the job done,” Lee said. “I can promise you that.”
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
There is a 4* QB prospect down in Tampa that has 4.5 speed by the name of Phillip Ely..
and we are not even on his list. Practically in our own backyard but we’re not on his radar.
Just because a player is rated highly doesn’t mean that we should recruit him. Maybe he doesn’t fit the system, maybe he’s more of a product of his competition than what he’s doing, maybe his personality would clash with the team, maybe he has off the field issues. I don’t know anything about this kid and I’m not saying any of those things are the case but recruiting is about more than just stars and rating.
Not to our previous staff.
:)
Apparently, Ann was wrong. :)
by PeachTreeNole on Jun 9, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he can't play and doesn't have 4.5 speed.
Rivals is such a joke right now with their guys leaving.
besides, Ely needs to be in the spread.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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Yea, self reported 4.6 speed, which translates to ~4.9 at best.
Best in state offer is from USF. Next best is FAU and FIU. Give me Brissett.
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Rivals has guys leaving?
Why is that?
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jun 9, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
God Bud....you have answers for everything
so….could you answer me this.
who is closer to being an elite program; fsu or Georgia?
I believe he has on previous threads.
If you really wanna know, go look it up (search for the big Mark Richt discussion).
Lay off chief
seriously
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 10, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Use the search feature. Look it up on the internet.
Like you want all recruits to do instead of playing football.
Conference call for NoleThruandThru, DK, and Matt. Let's discuss delfi

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
"you've discussed him and found him disgusting."
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Apparently, Ann was wrong. :)
by PeachTreeNole on Jun 10, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have many, if any at all, impressive offers.
He also plays for Plant, who every team goes to see, so it’s not like he is under the radar.
I kid, I kid :) I supposed he could be negative recruited,
but my guess is other coaches are saying “Look at EJ, he was one of the top QBs in the country and had to wait 3 years (not counting injury), to be the starter”
Hard to look at his numbers in college and say he wasn't ready.
The guy went to the blackhole of the NFL and lost his mentor. Shit just wasn’t meant to be.
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Do you think this caught our coaches off guard??
Was Marshall supposed to announce this early?? Kind of a head scratcher to me that he’s willing to forego playing QB all together. Why not wait to see how your senior season goes. I guess he likes basketball that much.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Jun 9, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
Doesn't catch our coaches off guard.
He knew that it was QB or bust at FSU. I’m sure Marshall said I want to play basketball. He had to have eliminated FSU at least a month ago, just that between fan’s egos and fan’s not connecting the dots, this surprises some. If you really think about it, it made complete sense a few weeks ago.
88 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Wasn't D Craig up in the Atlanta area recently?
That could have been the pivotal point where he and our coaches knew it wasn’t a good fit.
by FtLauderdaleNole on Jun 9, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Marshall is in south central GA, though.
He or any several other coaches could’ve easily made their way to see Marshall in the past month, however.
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Definitely not
They had moved on with other prospects a month ago.
Ponder lacks arm strength? Think again.
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Elite QB prospects don't sign as DBs
I maintain Marshall was never an elite QB prospect, and was unable to make “demands” to any school that someone who couldnt be passed on could.
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You've been pretty adamant about your feelings on Marshall
I just personally think his desire to play basketball is what influenced this choice the most. A lot easier to be a dual sport athlete at DB and B-Ball as opposed to quarterback and B-Ball. Nate Robinson did it at U-dub
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent point
We may have called his bluff and told him QB only at FSU (no hoops allowed).
by FtLauderdaleNole on Jun 9, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think everyone should panic yet as surely more QBs will explode onto the scene this year that are not "well" known yet.
I do however agree though that we really need to take a QB every year if possible due to the extreme importance of the position and the necessary development it takes for most incoming QBs.
Whatever happened to DeMarcus Smith out of Kentucky?
Would we prefer him or Brisset?
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 9, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
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I knew he commited to Strong. I just wonder is Fisher gonna try to snatch him away
Might have to wait til the season to see who they want
by westcoastnolefan on Jun 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprise and Not Surprised
I’m surprised he committed to play DB, but not surprised he committed to UGA! If you really think about, I think this young man was UGA fan and wanted to go there. However, Considering Aaron Murray is a RS FR with 2-3 years left to play, then if Chritian Lemay holds firm to his “decision”, not a commitment to go to UGA, would he really have much of a shot to play? Very little. So, if he’s a decent DB, and he’ll probably RS anyway, it will work out for him.
They also offered his family members scholarships to help lure him.
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Did you not sign Lonnie Outlaw last year?
Marshall’s wr teammate and cousin?
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I knew they played together,
I either wasn’t aware or had forgotten that he is his cousin. Yes, Georgia did sign him last year, and while that certainly could add some pull to Marshall coming to Georgia, I think the main reason we signed him was because he’s a big, raw talent and Da’Rick Rogers bailed on us for Tennessee at the last minute. If Rogers hadn’t flip-flopped, I don’t think Outlaw would’ve been offered. In addition to that, Outlaw is spending this year at GMC (Georgia Military College) because he didn’t qualify academically and hopefully he will transfer in next year after getting his grades up (this wasn’t a surprise, Georgia knew he wouldn’t qualify).
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Who else did he have offers from?
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No one else of any consequence.
Like I said, Georgia lost out on Rogers and needed a WR. They saw a possibility to sign a big guy who is talented and can be molded (Outlaw is 6’6 200), while also helping them out in the recruitment of Marshall because they’re cousins/good friends. It was no doubt a schrewd move on Richt’s part to get him, but it’s not like the kid is talentless.
by hailtogeorgia on Jun 9, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it was dirty.
It just helped.
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Just a small point on Charlie Ward.
I agree that he would have a hard time doing both sports today, but for different reasons. He was 100% committed to football while in college. He just happened to be a good enough athlete to contribute on a talented, but not deep basketball team, without devoting himself to basketball. He did not practice with the basketball team or try to get himself in basketball shape until after football season. I think he could still handle the football side of things today. Where I think he would have a real problem though is on the basketball side. I doubt he could come in and contribute on the current team without devoting himself to basketball.
Point of fact
he may have had a hard time playing both sports at most other schools. Fortunately for him, Kennedy employed the Improvise Offense/Do Something Defense. It was telling that 4 first-rounders were as diorganized and losing games they shouldn’t each season until Charlie stepped off the football field and onto the court. He was a gift to Kennedy- one that PK didn’t scout, didn’t recruit, and didn’t think could play basketball until Charlie showed up and proved otherwise. One can only speculate how many years Charlie added to Kennedy’s unfortunate tenure here with the success he brought.
Apparently, Ann was wrong. :)
by PeachTreeNole on Jun 9, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This is not a big loss for FSU, guys
No need for anyone to be upset over this
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
Dude its all about the picture...
Cause the username without the picture would be weird….and the picture without the username wouldnt be nearly as humourous but still really funny
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Anyone have a feel for Brissett's interest level in FSU?
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love his size/speed
but I saw he wants to play BB and QB in college(atleast his frosh year). It would probably wouldnt hurt our chances with O’leary too. Im not on the Rivers bandwagon but if Brissett wants to play QB, lets go all in(again) for him.
Brissett has only received scholarship offers to play FB
which is good…. We don’t have to compete with another program that is offering him for both.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
my info was based on an interview with him
where UNC was the only school that left the option open to play BB.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Play BB at UNC? Who would want to do that?
Roy Williams isn’t half the coach Leonard Hamilton is!
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Any schools other than UNC leaving the door open for both sports?
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Why would Brissett hurt our chances with O'Leary?
Love FSU’s chances with him
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
"wouldnt"
read again…Whats up with Worley btw, I thought he was a UT lean but i think hes a better prospect than Rivers. any shot?





























