My Questions for 2010 FSU Football
I'm a lifelong FSU football fan (still have the 3XL authentic Warrick Dunn jersey I bought when I was 12) but new to this community. I attended FSU from '04-'07 and have few good memories of home games -- at least, not any that had to do with football.
I've got some pretty big expectations for this season, and a lot of questions that won't be answered until the season is under way. But I thought it'd be fun to kick these ideas around in the meantime.
1) Could we see a break out year from anyone on defense?
Last year, Kirk Herbstreit listed Markus White among his picks for "players who will be household names by October" (or something to that effect). He finished the season with, what, two sacks? There's no excuse for a player of his caliber to perform so poorly, and no explanation other than ineffective coaching. How quickly can he turn it around?
I also wonder about guys like Nigel Bradham, Xavier Rhodes and Mister Alexander. Not to mention Greg Reid. Or maybe someone unexpected, like Brandon Jenkins?
2) Will Chris Thompson start at running back?
According to the depth chart on warchant, he's currently ahead of Jermaine Thomas and the rest. Seems like Jimbo has been high on Thompson all along, but Jermaine Thomas seems to have a boat load of untapped potential. Could working with Eddie Gran change things, or is Thompson the clear front runner?
3) Willie Haulstead and Rodney Smith.
I'm really curious what we'll see from these two playing behind Fortson and Reid. I know Fisher had high hopes for them, and it should be very interesting to see what they're able to do with some consistent targets.
4) How big of an impact will the zone scheme have?
My FSU football addiction is kind of sad. Lately I've been watching the re-runs of games on Sun Sports, including losses to GT and USF. I attended the USF game, and seeing our failures on defense on television was an eye opener. Simply switching to zone seems like it could be a real game changer, take some of the pressure off of the secondary and free them up to better utilize their athleticism. Obviously we can't expect too much too soon, but my gut says we could see major improvements early on.
5) Will the defensive line show itself?
Everybody remembers in the mid-2000s, the defense carried FSU football -- in particular, the pass rush. The drop-off in 2009 was shocking. But looking at this roster, particularly Markus White, I don't see why our pass rush shouldn't be downright fierce. Is there any chance FSU gets back to striking fear in the hearts of quarterbacks in 2010?
That's all I've got for now. Please feel free to discuss and add anything you're excited to see develop in the coming season.
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I think the pass rush part ties in to the zone question somewhat
The zone should help make up somewhat for the loss of the pass rush, as there hopefully will not be as many big plays given up, but even under zone the defense will not look great again until the running backs are stopped from gaining tons of yards and heat is placed on QBs.
Good post, welcome to TN
1) I’ll pick Rhodes. I’m a fan of Jenije, but we’ve got some depth and talent in place to challenge should he falter. Huge body for a corner (6’1" 200 lbs.). Arms down to his knees. Very athletic with fluid hips. Good football IQ, can play in the hip pocket of ACC WRs. Coaching staff said they loved his physical play at CB this spring. Played WR in HS, had offers to play WR.
2) Not sure if the “starting” moniker matters this year for RB. We have 5 legitimate options at any given time to touch the ball. Having said that, JT is the perfect 1-cut runner for a zone run offense; so I’ll say it’s still his to lose.
3) Rodney is my pick for next bigtime WR @ FSU.
4) I’ll argue it will drastically improve our ability to play the run, as more eyes will be facing the LOS and ballcarrier as opposed to train on your match-up offensive player.
5) Yes, I believe so. I see them playing much smarter. Hopefully…
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
Play smarter
When you say you see the D-line playing smarter, that’s one area I wish somebody with some better football knowledge would explore from last season — how our defense failed. Particularly the less obvious failures on the line.
I mean, we all know Markus White played miserably. But what was he doing wrong? I think it was on TN, I saw an article where NFL scouts admitted watching video of Dekoda Watson and Patrick Robinson and seeing all kinds of fundamental flaws, stuff coaches should’ve worked out a long time ago. But they didn’t get into specifics.
Maybe it’d be hard to quantify for a blog post, but if its possible, I’d love to see an explanation as to why Markus White and the other DEs never got to the QB.
I'm no genius
but it seemed like Markus White had 2 moves – 1) spin to the outside and run past the quarterback and 2) don’t spin to the outside and run past the quarterback.
I gest but from the times that I paid attention to him, he seemed more preoccupied with beating his man to the outside and ignored where the ball carrier was.
FSU DEs Last year
ONLY crashed in. And was a big reason for a lot of big gains with running plays. The DE would crash in, the Guard would move upfield take out the LB and the RB would move out around the crashing DE for easy 8+ yards. Sigh. I cant/wont blame it on any one player. All the DEs did it. It was how they were “untaught”.
It comes down to positional responsibility - Wikipedia has a pretty good write-up on them
Defensive End: Early formations, with six- and seven-man lines, used the end as a containment player, whose job was first to prevent an “end run” around his position, then secondarily to force plays inside.
When most teams adopted a five-man line, two different styles of end play developed: “crashing” ends, who rushed into the backfield to disrupt plays, and “stand-up” or “waiting” ends, who played the more traditional containment style. Some teams would use both styles of end play, depending on game situations.
Traditionally, defensive ends are in a three-point stance, with their free hand cocked back ready to “punch” the offensive lineman, or in a “two-point stance” like a linebacker so they can keep containment. Some defensive ends play the position due to their size; they close down their gap so the running back has no hole to run through. Other ends play the position due to their speed and agility; they are used to rush the quarterback. These ends can time the snap of the ball in order to get a jump on the rush.
Most of the time it is the job of the defensive end to keep outside or contain, which means that no one should get to their outside; they must keep everything to the inside. The defensive ends are fast for players of their size, often the fastest and smallest players on the defensive line. They must be able to shed blockers to get to the ball. Defensive ends are also often used to cover the outside area of the line of scrimmage, to tackle ball carriers running to the far right or left side, and to defend against screen passes. Since the creation of zone blitz defenses in the late 1990s, defensive ends have sometimes been used in pass coverages, dropping back to cover routes run close to the line of scrimmage.
Defensive Tackle: Depending on a team’s individual defensive scheme, a defensive tackle may be called upon to fill several different roles. These roles may include merely holding the point of attack by refusing to be moved, or penetrating a certain gap between offensive linemen to break up a play in the opponent’s backfield. If a defensive tackle reads a pass play, his primary responsibility is to pursue the quarterback, or simply knock the pass down at the line if it’s within arm’s reach. Other responsibilities of the defensive tackle may be to pursue the screen pass or drop into coverage in a zone blitz scheme.
FSU Defense 2010: Taking back 1st down.
I was watching an 06 LSU game on classic sports the other day
Jimbo used 8 different “running backs” in that game, according to the announcer.
1. Markus has a persistent knee issue. Coaching as well. Don’t know if it gets fixed.
2. Our guys share carries so it won’t matter.
3. Doubt either of those two make a big splash this year as they are behind Reed, Fortson, and Tai.
4. Can’t pinpoint an amount. New defense will have a big impact. Like 40-50 spots of improvement. That’s better scheme, better teaching of the scheme, better teaching of technique, better teamwork, confidence, and depth.
5. FSU’s pass rush wasn’t awful last year. It just did not get the OPPORTUNITIES. You get your sacks on 2nd and 8+, 3rd and 5+. FSU did not force those downs.
I wish everyone (not just you) would stop focusing on the pass rush and realize FSU’s problems were run defense, run defense, run defense, THEN pass defense. It’s really just about getting the opportunities, as I pointed out last week.
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For instance
1st down pass defense: QB rating allowed- 190
2nd down 137
3rd down 107
3rd down and 4-6: 133
3rd down and 9+ 67!
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On 3rd and 10+
FSU’s QB rating against was 61.8, good for 5th in the nation (4 INTs, 0 TDs).
For comparison, Bama’s rating was 56.02 against, good for 3rd in the nation (1 INT, 0 TDs).
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Heh heh.
Knucklehead. That’s Jimbo’s code word for “dipshit”
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by Randall W. Spetman on Jul 13, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
doubtful, since he called his son that at one of the early press conferences (where the family was introduced)
but it’s funny none the less.
I believe he is. He is working out.
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09 D
So Bud, no sarcasm intended, there is the little matter of the almost weekly long pass play by the 09D. Are you of the opinion that the guys on the field were sorta leaning towards the run because they knew how bad the run d was and teams used that to pop big plays?
Yes, without a doubt. These are ONLY acc games
NCST 1 80 Owen Spencer 80 yd pass from Russell Wilson
GT 1 73 Demaryius Thomas 73 yd pass from Josh Nesbitt
at CU 2 48 Dye, X 43 yd pass from Parker, K
at CU 5 80 Spiller, C 58 yd pass from Parker, K
All came on 1st down or on 2nd and 5
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I never understood ...
… why a lot of teams bothered to pass against us last year when our run defense was so pathetic. If I remember correctly, we won several games simply because the opposing coaches insisted on passing when they didn’t need to (UNC especially comes to mind).
Of course the fact that a completed pass was often good for a touchdown must have made it pretty tempting.
I am so happy that the Bowden era is finally over.
Yes!
Also happened in 2008 with Wisconsin.
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Yes. They unintentionally threw that game by throwing.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 13, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Point,
But I think that was a bonus to having a high powered O. You start making the opposing team take more risks and play differently than they should. Just, thank-you-baby-Jesus, that Ponder was able to keep up with everyone else for the most part. What is our record last year if we score 6 less points a game? (rhetorical question)
Well when Noel Devine gets hawked 40 yards downfield by a cornerback
it’s time to abandon the run.
Logic Fail.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
my views on some of those
for breakout player, im really hoping that terrance parks makes that jump to a reliable starter and an impact player in that secondary, then running back wise im just excited at the options not so much the “starter”, i love CT’s acceleration and quickness, and JT’s silky moves, but my wildcard i want production from is taveres, that one scamper TP had in the spring was electric, like the second he hit that notch it was like a sonic boom and you knew NO ONE was catchin him, and for the young wr’s im overly excited to see what rodney can do, he has that rare blend of speed and size that i think will terrorize defenses for the next couple years, i think willie is gonna make a good impact once he settles, hes a tough dude.
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Thanks for busting out the stats, Bud.
Like I said, I’m definitely all fan, not so much football expert. I guess the pass defense gets a lot of flack because the mistakes were so much more obvious. When I think of the 09 defense, all I can think of is that USF game…but then, Daniels did run all over us.
Another thing I forgot to add to my list is the new strength/conditioning and diet plan. I wonder how apparent it will be that our players are in far better shape. Not to mention the intangibles, the mental and spiritual growth that comes from pushing yourself. The fact that Jimbo has emphasized doing this as a team, maintaining accountability…I feel like this will pay huge dividends across the board.
JT they are a LOT bigger. Did you see the articles 2 weeks ago titled "size matters"?
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Oh yeah, that's what I was referring to generally.
And I have to think it’s going to pay off huge on the field.
In my opinion
experience tells me that process focus, when you have the attention of the group, leads to a quantum leap in performance which then levels off leaving much narrower areas to work on. The product takes shape and it comes down to small things, attention to detail, assignments, etc, etc. No coolaid required or desired. I think, all in all, the product on the field this year will be much better than last years but that doesn’t mean it will translate into winning results. I’m content with the knowledge that we shouldn’t be embarassed weekly like we were last year.
Just don't forget that offense.
The FSU offense was insanely effective last year, and just about everybody is coming back. Hopefully Ponder will stick around for more than 8 games. With the improvements in strength/conditioning/diet, and Jimbo Fisher taking control of the team, I think it’s entirely likely that the offense will take a few more steps forward.
In the event that they do…they’re going to be downright scary. If our defense had even played at a competent level, a C- level, we’d have won against Miami, Georgia Tech, USF, Boston College…maybe others I’m forgetting.
I'm a sucker for good offenses and bad defenses lately
I’m a Dolphin and Seminole fan and both of my teams gets it done on offense has the offense any championship team would want. However ???? marks all over the defensive side. If we can get pressure on the QB and makes some plays at the D Ends then we should be a 9-3 10-2 team. We SHOULD win the ACC but will our defense be able to do it.
Thats my ? will the defense be good enough to not hold back our offense.
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by Seminolephinatic on Jul 20, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
However improved our defense is this year, they WILL hold back our offense...
the sooner you accept that, the sooner your expectations will drop to a more realistic level
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Your probably right but outside of UM and Oklahoma
who else SHOULD give us a scare?
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"You ain't going to win 10 games every year. We've already done the impossible. You think anybody will ever do again what we did, 14 years in a row (ending the season ranked in the) top five? You think anybody will do that again? ... Everybody expects that every year and gosh, it just don't work that way."
-Bobby Bowden
by Seminolephinatic on Jul 22, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

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