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by FrankDNole on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT
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Some UNC guys are saying through twitter
That Austin was the only player not cleared after their team meeting last night. If that’s the case, combined with Parker’s apparent return, the 2010 schedule just became significantly less fun compared to what we thought it might be earlier in the week.
>>---l>
You could go the other way....
And say UNC just became easier to run against.
Regarding Parker, someone mentioned Clemson having a better chance of beating BC thus putting us in control of our destiny (If we lose to say UM and UNC but sweep the Atlantic and BC’s only loss is to us, don’t they still go to the ACCCG?) This way, BC has more of a chance to lose one addl. game.
Maybe i’m off, however, removing Austin from the mix and making BC’s road bumpier sounds good to me. I’d hate to beat UNC because they have a playmaker out, but given our more difficult than desired schedule i’ll gladly take it w/out feeling dirty. Besides, he had to know he was in the wrong,correct?
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
I was expecting more players than Austin to be out, actually
If it’s just him, it isn’t what I had hoped for earlier this week. Yes, BC’s road got tougher with Parker back for Clemson, but so did ours…
>>---l>
Well damn where'd the rest of my comment go.
This is what I was trying to post.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/future-recruiting-violation-makes-commitment-to-mi,17746/
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by willdabeast on Jul 21, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Any news on ticket sales? I had a booster tell me they have not gotten the bump they expected.
Giddy-up!
All sorts of schools are having ticket problems.
UGA, Clemson, South Carolina are a few I’ve seen in articles recently. Big drops in prices and still a drop in ticket sales.
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Sort of.
Just if a lot of our regional “competitors” are struggling with sales even with reduced pricing (also saw Tennessee mentioned, forgot about them), and if we’re on pace for what we did last year…maybe we aren’t getting hit too hard in 2010. OR, maybe we already took that hit last year…
Either way it’s definitely good that we aren’t seeing stories on FSU about drops in pricing AND sales (at least that I’m aware).
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Just went to Mecca...
LV Hilton over/under – Regular season win totals were a little different. They were released on Sunday, this is what they are today:
FSU 7.5 over is even / under -120
Alabama 10 110/-130
Florida 10 -120/even
Boise 11 +110/-130
OhioST 10.5 +110/-130
Oklahoma 10.5 +110/-130
TCU 11 even/-120
Nebraska 10 -110/-110
Canes 8.5 +135/-155
Texas 9.5 -160/140
VaTech 9.5 even/-120
GaTech 8 even/-120
UNC 8 120/-140
LSU 7.5 -160/140
sportsbook.com odds
TCU
Over 11 (even)
Under 11 (-120)
Nebraska
Over 10
Under 10
Miami FL
Over 8.5 (-120)
Under 8.5 (even)
Oregon
Over 9 (-150)
Under 9 (130)
Texas
Over 9.5 (-180)
Under 9.5 (150)
Virginia OFF
OFF
Iowa
Over 8.5 (-160)
Under 8.5 (140)
Notre Dame
Over 7.5 (-130)
Under 7.5 (110)
Arkansas
Over 8.5 (110)
Under 8.5 (-130)
Penn State
Over 8.5 (even)
Under 8.5 (-120)
Georgia
Over 8.5
Under 8.5
Florida State
Over 7.5 (-155)
Under 7.5 (135)
South Carolina
Over 7 (even)
Under 7 (-120)
West Virginia
Over 8.5 (-145)
Under 8.5 (125)
Wisconsin
Over 9 (even)
Under 9 (-120)
LSU
Over 7.5 (-160)
Under 7.5 (140)
Pittsburgh
Over 8 (105)
Under 8 (-125)
Texas A&M
Over 7 (130)
Under 7 (-150)
Virginia Tech
Over 9.5 (-120)
Under 9.5 (even)
Michigan
Over 7 (110)
Under 7 (-130)
North Carolina
Over 8 (110)
Under 8 (-130)
Auburn
Over 8.5 (110)
Under 8.5 (-130)
Stanford
Over 7.5 (115)
Under 7.5 (-135)
Georgia Tech
Over 8 (-120)
Under 8 (even)
Washington
Over 6 (-125)
Under 6 (105)
Cincinnati
Over 8 (110)
Under 8 (-130)
BYU
Over 8 (-140)
Under 8 (120)
UCLA
Over 5.5 (even)
Under 5.5 (-120)
Nevada (**)
Over 9.5 (105)
Under 9.5 (-125)
UNLV ()
Over 4.5 (110)
Under 4.5 (-130)
Alabama
Over 10 (120)
Under 10 (-140)
Ohio State
Over 10.5 (-120)
Under 10.5 (even)
Florida
Over 10 (-120)
Under 10 (even)
Boise State
Over 11 (110)
Under 11 (-130)
Oklahoma
Over 10.5 (110)
Under 10.5 (-130)
USC ()
Over 9.5 (-135)
Under 9.5 (+115)
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your boy Fezz is in a brawl over at EOG
by rocknrollnole on Jul 23, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the deal with Fezz...?
I’m currently out of the loop.
Also --
FSU @ Oklahoma (-12)
FSU @ Miami (-5.5)
N.Carolina @ FSU (-3)
Clemson @ FSU (-5.5)
Florida -7 @ FSU
I don’t have time to compare the entire board to opening G.Nugget lines, but at a glance they definitely consider the Canes and Michigan to be stronger teams.
The Miami line surpises me.
The UF line is generous, HA aside, in the sense that UF is 1.5 pts better than Miami.
Is that Clemson line pre or post Kyle Parker’s announcement?
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You're not accounting for home/away
Miami would be a 2point fave at neutral site
UF would be an 11 point fave at neutral site
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 25, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
CFB live just did a what if
on the two wide rights. In their scenario if both kicks are made FSU wins the MNC in 91, 92 and 93 and then close the decade with the 99 title. This leads to no drop off in winning and Bowden still coaching today.
Problem is even if we did win 4 titles in the 90s that would change none of the coaching moves as Richt would still leave, lil Bowden would still be promoted and then we still fall off due to bad offensive coaching. We also would still have an old staff unable to put the energy needed into recruiting as well.
What if
the Roman Empire never collapsed, what if Hitler successfully invaded England, what if Stanley Kubrick were alive to direct AI?!
What if’s are fun.
An ESPN middle manager posed this question during a retreat two years ago...
What if we there wasn’t anything substantive to discuss this time of year so we just fill a whole show with what ifs?
by coonhound on Jul 21, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a shame becasue the off season is a perfect opportunity to do a NFL Match Up type program for college but ESPN plays to the lowest common denominator. I can’t blame them because that’s what sells but it’d be nice if there was a bit more substance and effort to educate the fans. Well, maybe they don’t do that because it’d make half their announcers look awfully dumb.
by evenflow58 on Aug 1, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think successfully invading Russia would've been much much bigger.
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Agreed
While England still had commonwealth control over India and other African protectorates, the minieral, natural resource and produce extraction from Russia coupled with tons of labor, a people that were still subject to autocratic rule, and the inherent geographic advantages would have made the capitulation of Russia far more detrimental than English subjigation.
Wait, what the hell are we talking about….
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jul 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting take...
I feel that a complete victory in Russia would have had a lesser impact than a victory over England. My reasoning is that no matter what, the Germans would have to face the United States. I can’t imagine a D-Day without Churchill’s “Fortress Europa”, and the prospect of occupying a conquered Russia would have the opposite effect man-power wise as a conquered England. Even with Italy bleeding at the belly of Der Vaterland, the mountains in Northern Italy posed a natural bottleneck with which the Allies NEVER broke free.
If the choice is between closing only one of the two fronts, I would most certainly close the Western Theatre and consolidate German holdings in the East.
TL;DR Russia is way too big to occupy, England is easier to hold, no D-Day, risk frm Italy is negligable…..brace for B-29 nuking Munchen
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if FSU had one the three titles in a row
I would think that other schools might have gone after FSU’s staff harder and sooner:
‘91: Brad Scott gets offer to head coach after the ’91 season – green to coaching, he takes FSU assistants Eason and Burnham with him to coach at East Carolina. Mark Richt considered too green to take over as offensive coordinator, Bobby turns to ND WR coach Skip Holtz as his offensive coordinator, who doubles as WR coach. Jimmy Heggins takes over as OL coach, Haggins still hired.
’92: after its second national title, FSU loses Chuck Amato, who leaves to become the head football coach at NC State.
’93: after its third national title, Mickey Andrew’s leaves to become the head coach at South Carolina. Very successful, he remains head coach until he retires following the season after his son’s death.
‘96: When Skip’s dad leaves Notre Dame after the ‘96 season, Skip moves on to become the head coach at Notre Dame. Mark Richt takes over as OC starting in the ’97 season.
’99: following the season, Georgia hires Rich Rodriquez from Clemson as its new head coach.
’99-’00: FSU again wins back to back national titles. College football teams raid FSU’s staff again. Richt is hired as head coach of West Virginia. Richt is replaced at FSU by Cincinnati QB coach Jimbo Fisher. Jimmy Heggins leaves for an OC position, replaced by Rick Trickett.
…
In reality:
Steve Logan hired as the head football coach at East Carolina after the ’91 season
after the ’93 season, OC Brad Scott left for South Carolina, taking John Eason and Wally Burnham with him.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jul 21, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
Mullen has gone on record stating he has had a lot more 1st round QBs than Saban. I can only think of two Mullen coached, Smith and Tebow. Am I missing someone? Or does Mullen think 2 is a lot more than 1?
I've heard UGA is being looked at by the NCAA as are the other SEC "powerhouses"
Word is UGA had a player that went to the same South Beach party as Austin (UNC) and Dareus (Bama).
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Get em'
If they want to take down FSU, we will take this rest down with us
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by Logan Parker on Jul 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the vigor of the NCAA investigation of Southern Schools have anything to do with B10 showing in BCS title games?
This is a little black helicopteresque but I think it’s a legit point. The NCAA is clearly targeting SEC schools and there have been no mention of any players from northern schools. I’m sure the folks in IN have heard a lot of things about the recruiting tactics in the south and are being pushed to take some action. NCAA has a long history of larger sanctions against southern schools then B10 schools. Personally I think there is a bias against the southern schools.
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Way too paranoid
If this was an SEC thing then it wouldn’t have started with Austin. Also the SEC puts out more 1st round talent than the B10 so if an agent is going to grease some palms we know where they would head.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Who makes better HCs: OCs or DCs?
A co-worker of mine (and hug Bama fan) said that he thinks Fisher may have problems winning on an elite level because he’s an offensive guy and they don’t typically do as well as defensive minded HCs. Personally I think there are too many variables involved to make a blanket statement like that but I couldn’t refute his argument because I never really thought about it but I sure could use some ammo the next time it comes up in conversation.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Meyer's an offensive guy, so were Spurrier & Bowden
But you’re right way too many variables. One of which is who you hire as your coordinators.
I guess you can dig up the Head Coaches of the last 20 champions and take account of their background, but Im not doing the legwork on this one.
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 22, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't Urban Meyer a Offensive guy?
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by willdabeast on Jul 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, nice. It is a well known fact that cave's still only have dial-up and that type of search would take too much time.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Head coaching is more about management and decision making
thus making it more about who you hire and how you handle them. That ability is not inherent to either side of the ball so you could really argue that neither make better HCs, it depends more on the personality of the individual coach.
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FSU player previews are out on Seminoles.com
Jermaine Thomas
Lost his hold on the starting job during the spring, when he was supplanted by Chris Thompson on the two-deep chart, where he’s a co-No. 2 pick with Ty Jones. Has struggled at times picking up assignments, but remains a real threat in open space. Fighting to reclaim his starting job from the outset of fall camp.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Interesting.
Thompson has looked really impressive, especially with the bulk he has added thanks to the new S&C coaches.
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Not terribly surprised,
Thomas played well coming off the bench last season, I’m wondering if they like CT as the everydown back (as he seems to lower his head a lot more and runs tougher) and they like Tomas as his spell.
Not saying this isn't legit,
and I don’t know Fisher’s M.O., but this wouldn’t be the 1st time I’ve seen a starter demoted after spring as a motivational tool — for both the former starter and former backup.
Thompson is really exciting but his ball security still scares the tar out of me.
Old news.
NCAA 2011 clearly told us this. Thompson’s overall rating is 8 points or so lower than Thomas, but #23 clearly outperforms the field on the game.
All kidding aside though, it seems odd that a) Coach Fisher comment on a depth chart issue like this, and b) Seminoles.com has the info (I view them as mostly fact-based info, with little editorial content.
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May 24th as quoted by me
Another back I wouldn’t put on the list is….wait for it….Jermaine Thomas. I also think Thomas is on a short leash and he is a wait and see type player.
This is a response to him making the All-ACC team. Gran has a new favorite running back and his first name isn’t Jermaine. The writing has been on the wall since spring.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
This guy's the head coach at LSU?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUvocZfxuHY
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You're surprised that Les Miles gave a stupid answer to a stupid question?
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I don't necessarily think it was a stupid question.
It wasn’t that it was a bad answer. It was that Miles couldn’t form a single coherent thought.
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Uh...Uh..... andandand....
That’s all i heard the whole interview.
Things sure have changed just from my childhood. I don’t recall people in such important positions saying uh so much without being generally regarded as a half-wit.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
The dumber he is and the worse he does,
the worse it is for us. We need them to be good so LSU doesn’t fire him and try to hire Jimbo away. Unless it is soon enough that Jimbo hasn’t been able to fully show the results of his process here, then we may get lucky and LSU would look somewhere else.
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I'm not one of those people that think Fisher would definitely go to LSU if they came calling.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
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But when the right amount of money knocks on your door
you probably answer.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Doesn't mean you walk away from your house.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
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I'm not sure either, I'm just saying that its better if Miles just stays there.
I think that Jimbo has a lot of connections to FSU and really likes it here. I think he wants to be the next Bowden for us, and he is a family man with morals, so I believe that ties him to us as well. I don’t think that LSU can offer THAT much more money than we could to make a difference with Jimbo.
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Two words
Will. Muschamp. He has history with the program, just coached in the MNCG, and would help LSU recruit better in Texas. He would actually be a better hire for LSU right now than Jimbo.
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
The wild card here is how much longer will Mac Brown hang around?
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For $4M/year and a $100K payraise each year, I'd hang around until the natives turn on me.
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"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
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This is true, but he'll be 60 next year.
Factor in the stress of running that program, and the fact that he may actually want to enjoy the rest of his years on earth, I wouldn’t be shocked if he hung it up sooner than later.
After watching what happened to Bowden, and seeing Paterno being propped up on the sidelines, I would think it would persuade more coaches to consider going out “on top”.
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Brown has said he has no intention of stepping down
It might just be talk to keep recruits coming but Mack looks fine on the sidelines and could easily go for another 5+ years. If Muschamp left UT for LSU he could win a MNC before Brown retires
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see any reason to retire before 65 or 70 if he is still consistently in the NC hunt.
Jmo. He’d still have plenty of years to travel, relax, spend time with family, or whatever else he may wish to do.
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Brown "looks" fine..."I" don't see any reason.
All subjective. Fact is that stress wears exponentially as a person ages, and perhaps Mack doesn’t have the same priorities that Bobby/Paterno had.
Is Muschamp not Texas HCIW? Why would he agree to that if Mack is sticking around for 10 more years?
Things aren’t always as they seem. Texas could win another one year now, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him retire if they do.
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I'm not talking about how that particular situation appears to me.
I’m talking about what I think most people would do.
I’m almost certain there’s no clause in either Brown’s or Muschamp’s contracts stipulating that if one doesn’t step down/get promoted from/at Texas that they owe/are owed a certain amount of money like with Fisher.
I also think Muschamp is making about 3 times what Fisher was making as hciw and more than probably over 50% of FBS head coaches. He may not be in any rush, waiting his time to get a primo job, and Brown may not be in any rush, knowing he’s still got a few good years left ahead of him. If Brown sticks it out another 15-20 years I’m sure Muschamp will just take a job at some other big time program.
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I agree even with standing his comments
It’s physically tough a guy over 60 to work 100+ hour a week and maintain productivity. Brown’s work during the NFL network coverage of the draft I believe is a telling sign that he is looking for a jumping off point. I can’t speak to Brown’s financial situation but the boosters at Texas can solve those problems outside of his contract and they have personal means to do it. In their words, they have five T. Boone Pickens in their booster ranks.
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I don’t get the feeling that Fisher would leave FSU for LSU. LSU could probably pay him more money but he’s got an easier path to success at FSU, has already built up his coaching staff and recruiting areas, and has an emotional connection to FSU. I don’t get the feeling that Fisher will leave of his own accord anytime soon.
I think LSU will give Muschamp a go but be turned down quickly. I think they’ll do the same with Bo Pelini. That’s when they’ll start looking outwards and might include Fisher and Carl Pelini in their search. The problem is that neither of them have any HC experience at this point.
You don't think that asking a D1 football coach how an oil spill affects his program is a dumb question?
Maybe one day if I get to interview Nick Saban, I’ll ask him how Global Warming is interfering with his practices, or I’ll ask Urban Meyer if he does things differently during hurricane season.
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Good idea.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
I don't consider it dumb at all. I see it as a very valid question.
The people of Louisiana have taken a beating this decade and this last hit has destroyed an entire industry. Asking how a calamity of this magnitude has affected the community that he is a member of seems reasonable enough. As for Les Miles answer….well we all knew he was an asshat
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 26, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I was thinking.
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That's wonderful and all.
He said How does it affect “Yall”, which I took as being the LSU football program. I don’t think Louisianan’s would deem Les an appropriate individual for community relations.
I know that Sean Peyton is DEFINITELY worried about it. It has a HUGE affect on how he coaches the Saints.
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Herban Liar would answer with"You are a bad person, bad person," and then offer to throwdown.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Part time HC, part time playground pal.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 26, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
CornNole, why did you change your name?
I’d consider you a TN regular for your name alone.
43 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
Yeah what the hell!
You referring to him as CornNole instead of Randall is throwing me off
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It was funny at first, but I started to feel it a bit shallow and pedantic.
All kidding aside, it was a tad unprofessional and I probably shouldn’t have done it in the first place.
Then again, I almost chose “GloryNole” as my new surname, but thought it better not to.
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Haha! I know.
I’ve been wanting to do it for a really long time, but just now pulled the trigger. I can’t really explain why, I just felt kinda irresponsible, I guess.
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Shallow and pedantic?
Have you been watching some Mel Gibson movies?
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 26, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
WAIT A MINUTE?!?
Randall Spetman is no more? Heaven forbid!
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
It's just a name, brotha.
My thoughtless and perverse points of view and comments will live on, of that I assure you.
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You guys ever read smartfootball.com
they got a couple plugs at college football outsiders. Thoughts if you’ve read?
Chris runs one of the best sites on the web
and Smart Football is required reading period.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Stanley denied release
I don’t know if this article was about the first time getting denied or the second
this happened earlier this week.
I think he is reapplying for a transfer with the new AD at USC. Mister Alexander is hoping he doesn’t get his release granted.
"We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Nigel Carr may be hoping he doesn't get the release
Then again he could end up at DE
Chris Volstad Nuff Said
He's already suspended.
He may be released. Time will tell (new counts, plea bargains, etc).
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What's the story with Jamar Jackson?
His work ethic, problems, will he contribute?
I'm only aware of injuries.
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"Correct, Sir Trick."
Per a friend of mine (big gator fan)
rumors that one of our starters on offense is stealing jersey andputting them on ebay wtf…saying a prominent offensive player. this screams chris rainey to me.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jul 27, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions
I want it be Brantley.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 27, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Not buyin' it.
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Teammates are just walking up to me and giving me jerseys
Apparently it was good to be a Pouncey too
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Okay, I have to ask
WTF is up with the comment in Coley’s tweets about picturing him in his boxers?
Is this another rap song reference?
this comment.
@FO_College I picture @CoachColey doing all his tweets in a Cobra Kai tshirt and Hello Kitty boxer briefs
Giddy-up!
Ah, I see
That tweet is somewhat disturbing.
by ladyjustice on Jul 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys do realize that we're the only people who don't find those tweets completely obnoxious, right?
Which I really like, because I could give 2 sh*ts about what other fanbases think, but if that were UF’s OC pulling that crap, I would let him have it. Fow Show
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We had been discussing Da U recruiting
and how they were headed in the wrong direction recently.
This article DA U got recruiting swag by J Newberg paints a nice positive outcome…potentially.
Miami is not even in the picture for 40% of those kids
Perhaps Newbery is paid by the word?
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Just heard Bronco Mendenhall at Mountain West media day.
Seems true frosh Jake Heaps leads for starting QB job. 1st 3 games: Washington, @ Air Force, @ Doak………
Ouch.
0-3?
Not sure what AFA has for them this year.
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Yeah, me neither.
But Air Force (ranked 42nd by Rivals) is one of those option teams that dives at your knees the entire game with those low ball run blocks. Although we’re coming off the Oklahoma trip, I’d expect them to be entirely worn out at the tail end of those 3 games. Interestingly enough, Air Force goes to Oklahoma the same week we play ByU, damnear round-robin.
Or as some would call it
A playoff.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 28, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to think things that plagued us in the past get thrown out the window with a new staff.
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I seem to remember Drew having some trouble
… oh wait… you meant… nevermind
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I really don't think that the "freshman" part of the equation had much to do with our D being unable to stop people.
It was more a problem of our team having trouble stopping any offense, especially one with a QB that is mobile.
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I am disappointed by the amount of on-topic discussions taking place in this thread.
Would Spiderman 3 have been better if Spiderman had sprayed the Sandman with a hose and built a castle?
Actually, yes.
That movie sucked.
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It would've been better if Kirsten Dunst wasn't in it.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 28, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused and yes you can call me a dork if the feeling arises but........
Did Venom really die? According to the comic book, The symbiote suit spawns what will become Carnage. Please don’t tell me they’ll explain it w/ a flashback.
Also, regarding Kirsten Dunst i’ve heard she’s not doing any more sequels.
Similar note, Megan Fox was supposedly dropped from the “Transformers” series.
Yes i know, i’m an E-dork.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
She claims she didn't want to do it anymore.
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Kirsten Dunst didn't want to do 3
and neither did the director, Sam Raimi (for different reasons).
Over all, its a prime example of what happens when the studio tries to cater to the crowds.
Sorry, I meant Bay/Fox/Transformers 3.
Both sides claim they didn’t want to do it and badmouthed the other. Who knows? Who cares? They’ll just put some other unknown hot chick in there hoping to make it big.
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Megan Fox's replacement in Transformers 3
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 30, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Word I heard was she showed up and Michael Bay sent her packing for being too skinny
kind of ridiculous
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I'm a dork, too.
but you do remember that Dr. Connors (the Lizard) had a sample of the symbiote in his office to study. Maybe that could be Carnage.
I thought the symbiote got him in jail.
I could be way off, but i remember Cletus Cassady?(AKA Carnage) being engulfed by the suit while in jail. Wish i still had that comic book! it might even be worth some thing now.
......and let the paramedics sort 'em out!
NERD ALERT!!!
Kasady and Brock shared a cell together at Ryker’s. The symbiote came to “rescue” Brock and left it’s offspring behind, which then hooked up with Kasady to form Carnage.
yea, but the movies never play out like the comic books/books
so i figure if they want to introduce carnage, they use the symbiote the Doc Connors had.
What are the odds of Ocho Cinco and TO hating each other by week 12?
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I am responding to this because I don't want people to think they are missing something amazing
but, I already did this in discussion #26.
its fun, and thats about it.
I still think it's the best movie this year
Think if some of the scenes were 3D also..
Chris Volstad Nuff Said
Inception Was Great, Now Please Stop Talking About It, Assholes
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
hah. that was pretty good.
unfortunately, the only movies I can force myself to like are the ones I don’t have to pay 30$ to see.
So are we going to rush the field when we beat the Gators?
Anyone? Anyonee?
38 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
dont taser me bro!
I miss goal posts coming down. The super reinforced double posts will take a lot more ingenuity and efficiency to bring down. I don’t know if the Tally crowd would rush the field anyways. We’ve been known as a wine a cheese crowd for the longest (which is kinda fine by me).
I've always maintained if EVERYONE goes
they HAVE to have explicity instructions to let it happen, can’t have police attempt force on a large crowd like that, PR nightmare. A few people is fine, but if the whole student section just starts coming, its over, no way they do anything.
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Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I got to rush the field once...
Home game at FIU like 5 years ago. Won the game on a hail mary that somehow ended up in the receivers hands. Place was a monsoon and the student section was packed. It was really cool….Players, coaches and fans going crazy. Something about it being such a small crowd and microscopic event in the sports world made it feel even more spectacular.
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Was that by chance FIU's first win?
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They let us on the field after we beat UF in '96. It was great.
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Anyone know if they will go back to the old endzones, with the white paint and spear?
That whole Tebow rising from the flames with paint all over his jersey, while pumping up the crowd totally ruined it for me.
I don't think we will.
But I wish we would. I just don’t like the new ones. That older style is classic FSU.
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It's garbage.
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Bud
Now that you’re back from the bar…
I asked a question on the prediction thread about percentages for BC’s conference wins. They didn’t get any early point spreads from Vegas, and I’d like to know what point spreads you’d give BC and the percentages to go with them.
Apologies to Matt for on-topic-ness of this post.
BC Lines... Good Question!
The only one posted is non-conference Notre Dame @ B.C. (-2.5) opened at -3
They are 8/1 to win the ACC.
VaTech 2/1. Miami 3/1. FSU 9/2. GaTech & UNC 6/1. Clemson 8/1.
Wake 30. NCSt 50. Myland 60. UVA & Duke 300/1.
FSU is favored over them by 7
I think they are a pick at home over Clemson IIRC.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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I was trying to do a proportional win share for their ACC season, and I honestly don’t know enough about them.
Might be a good idea for a joint post with the guys at BC Interruption…. if you can get them to be honest about expected point spreads for their games.
GTL returns tonight
Is everyone as excited as I am?
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You're crazy DA
They take douchebag to a whole new level
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
lol they do.
I think I saw one episode (didn’t have cable last two school years; $40 a month is a ripoff FSU). Not a fan.
37 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
YESSSS!!!!
I have a solid 8-10 minutes of stand-up material on Jersey Shore right now……I will be watching with my comedy notebook on my lap & a pen in my hand.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Did the Situation and Paulie D
even score last season…?
all that junk they talked and I just remember them constantly bringing buckets back to the house. is that more indicative of the prospects in seaside heights, or of their lack of any game??
Did you see that many TRULY hot girls on the show last season??
I didn’t.
This year they are in Miami………….and they’re famous.
Oderint Dum Metuant
They've never pulled any quality. It's kind of a hilarious side note to that show.
The Funk Phenomenon.
Why couldn't this happen to the gates?
A bit of trouble for the Bulls. Most definitely do not want someone suing you for racial discrimination and alleging major NCAA violations while you are trying to recruit in Florida. Wish they were big enough to be worth negative recruiting against.
Mike Tyson is on local radio.
He just said “Floyd Mayweather’s style is like masterbation:
It’s a lot of fun, but produces nothing”.
Dude is out of control. He is now doing commentary on the Mel Gibson tapes and said “sounds like a guy I could look up to. I wish I had his way with words.”
Mike Tyson is one of the funniest guys I've ever heard.
His quotes are hilarious. Thank God I’m not a woman, because I’d be extremely afraid of him.
37 days till Samford. 09.04.10.
[He] called me a rapist and a recluse.
I’m not a recluse.
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For better or for worse
hands down the most entertaining person on the face of the earth
Interview with Tyson
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/mma/boxing/07/28/tyson.interview/index.html?xid=cnnbin
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 30, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
With a strong Junior WR class in the 2011 draft
What kind of year does Fortson need to be a draft candidate?
and does he leave if he is a 2nd/3rd round guy? (I know we can’t accurately guess these things, but what do you guys think?)
Don't think he leaves for 3rd round
People don’t leave early if they expect to go in the 3rd. I think the ball is spread around too much for him to look to leave early. But if he ends up with 850+ with around 10 TDs he might make 2nd round and go. Hard to see him going above Jones and Green if they go, as well the kid at ND. I’m expecting Fortson to stay after the year unless he gets some horrible advice and believes it
by osceolafan2.0 on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't see him leaving but JF's offenses are good at putting WRs in the NFL in the first 3 rounds
Josh Reed (2nd Rd – 2002)
Devery Henderson (2nd Rd – 2004)
Michael Clayton (1st Rd – 2004)
Dwayne Bowe (1st Rd – 2007)
Craig Davis (1st Rd – 2007)
Early Doucet (3rd Rd – 2008)
With that said, it’s best that he stays for one more. In addition to the three you named there is Posey (tOSU), Broyles (OU), Childs (Arky), Johnson and Benjamin (Mia) and that’s not counting the SRs.
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 30, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Will Posey be NL Player of the Month?
Numbers are ridiculous.
Saw Zebrie Sanders and AJ Ganguzza tonight
@ the Ghengis Grill… all you can eat. They said the Fisher tone has been developing gradually for a few years so this year hasn’t been a radical culture change. And they’re pumped for 2010.
Accountabilty is back in Tallahassee....
Linebackers I spoke to the last couple seasons said they were jealous of the Offense's level of preparation.
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda feel sorry(not) for opposing
teams offense this yr……our defense will be playing with a chip on their shoulders, new coaches and schemes, they got a lot to prove……….Man I can’t wait!!!!
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
While Im not a Giant fan, they pay their players.
Posey wont go to the yankees, he has too much heart. ;)
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And desire
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 30, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what this guy's reaction to the Nigel Carr news was...
Got you all in check.
by MattDNole on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
WOW....thank you so much for sharing that....that was AMAZING
Im seriously in tears over how awesome that video was
by Caveman Mafia on Jul 30, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hide your husbands cause they raping everyone.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Funniest thing I've seen in a long time!
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 30, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That...was real?
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autotuned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw&feature=player_embedded
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What specifically are you asking?
I thought Erving was already on campus and I thought Jacobs’ school supposedly ends late and is just waiting on paperwork.
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I was wondering if something was wrong.....
Just haven’t seen them listed in future potential depth charts, thats all…..
Or put another way. Here’s what I see for 2011
Strong-Side Defensive End
58 Dan Hicks 6-4, 260, R-So.
95 Bjoern Werner 6-4, 295, So.
94 Darious Cummings, 6-3, 285, So
Weak-Side Defensive End
49 Brandon Jenkins 6-3, 255, Jr.
96 Toshmon Stevens 6-5, 250, R-Jr.
Glen Stanley 6-3 250 R-Sr.
Defensive Tackle (not Nose Guard)
93 Everett Dawkins 6-2, 285, R-Jr.
97 Demonte McAllister 6-2, 290, R-So.
94 Darious Cummings, 6-3, 275, So.
Nose Guard & Defensive Tackle
99 Jacobbi McDaniel 6-0, 300, Jr.
91 Anthony McCloud 6-2, 310, R-Jr.
90 Moses McCray 6-2, 310, Sr.
Weak-Side Linebacker
7 Christian Jones 6-3 240, So.
57 Holmes Onwukaife 6-3 245, R-Fr.
Middle Linebacker
48 Jeff Luc 6-0, 250, So.
11 Vince Williams 6-0, 252, R-Jr.
Strong-Side Linebacker
11 Vince Williams 6-0, 252, R-Jr.
22 Telvin Smith 6-3 220, So.
43 Nigel Terrell 6-2 230, So.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
Just watched the Everette Dawkins interview on front page of Warchant.
Had some good things to say:
- Get the ugly part out of the way first — confirmed that, instead of playbooks, last year they had notebooks “that they could write things down in.” Wow.
- Just tipped the scales at 283. Not currently trying to gain any more weight; wants to keep quickness. If weight comes, it comes.
- Says Amp McCloud will surprise people. Did not play like someone that had taken a year off from football. Big and “just naturally strong.”
- Says Bradham is (surprise, surprise) strongest guy on team — “country strong.. can lift with DL, OL.”
- Confirmed what most here suspect about Greg Reid — he’s taken the leap up in CB play, so that he’ll be seen as a dominant CB that happens to be pretty good at special teams, too.
- Commented on how he was surprised how big Christian Jones was when he came in.
- Says LJ is small but not afraid of anyone, and he’ll let you know it.
- Said Brandon Jenkins is going to do well, has greatly improved rush defense.
Oh, and the reason I slapped this next to depth chart was because it confirmed the Dawkins weight gain.
I’ll say, from my perspective, the comments about Amp McCloud give me even a little more confidence about the improvements that MIGHT be possible this year.
No offense
But it sounds like the same stuff we hear every preseason.
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True, much of that is feel-good fluff.
But a couple facts, like weighing in at 283, lack of playbooks, etc. were “hard data,” so it wasn’t simply an interview full of repeated mantras about working hard getting ready for season, which you hear most of the time.
Also mentioned that Spring was the first time since he’s been on campus that the offense was ever able to stop the defense. That’s encouraging, isn’t it?
And, regardless of whether it is just his opinion (vs. demonstrable fact), you can tell by his reaction that he has a lot of respect for McCloud & Reid — he didn’t appear to be simply blowing smoke. Taken in context with a lot of other reports it seems to validate that those guys will contribute a lot.
True....good to see further confirmation of the S&C program.
I dunno. I guess when you’re heard preseason fluff for years and years and years, you get immune to it.
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Don't we have to give Jimbo chance prior to saying it's a bunch of lies
I understand not believing the last regime but Jimbo has spent alot of money on getting these kids bigger. Personally, if they aren’t any bigger after this conditioning season then last, Jimbo needs to tell us what went wrong. He quadrupled the SC staff and added a nutritionist plus hired a very respected SC coach.
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What was Dawkins last year?
And how much of his weight gain is in his gut?
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He said in same interview that he played at 260 last year.
Contradicting some reports/speculation about nutritional strictness, though, he said a lot of it came via late night Wendy’s value meals, I think — and asked that this stay off the record (oops, Everette — nothing off the record when you’re on camera).
He did say he’s being intentional about not gaining too fast, so as not to lose quickness.. and said he has one of the 3 strongest squats on the team @ 600+ lbs. So I think even gut-weight will be good for him.
Just saw Drew Weatherford leaving the bar in Tampa
Apparently he takes the check down in real life even when it isn’t necessary.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
What are people's thoughts on Madden
I mean they did add Swagger levels
Swagger
NFL players aren’t exactly the most humble athletes in the world. Swagger is a new statistic in Madden NFL 11 that measures how likely a given player is to celebrate on the way to the endzone, or after a score. Chad Ochocinco, for instance, has Swagger to spare — he’ll celebrate if he even sees the endzone. The less swagger-y Jason Witten, on the other hand, will treat a touchdown like any old first down. What a grump.
Chris Volstad Nuff Said
I’ve been reading Shakin’ the Southland, and their piece(s) on top 10 worst losses of the decade was pretty neat (history-wise, at least) Any chance we might see anything like that, or even better, Top 10 Wins of the decade? Just a thought, But as someone who barely followed college football until I started going to FSU, it would be neat to learn a little more about our team as well as look back and see or relive some games from the last 10 years.
Just a thought, I’m a lonnnnng time reader, barely never poster, but I just thought that would be a pretty neat idea if you guys were wanting for ideas to write on(doubtful though, as you always have excellent ideas), also considering it’s kind of a “dead” period for news.
Oh, and also
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I just saw this on Twitter:
“FSU’s football media guide features Rhodes Scholar Myron Rolle on their academics page – and spells his name “Myrone”. Whoops."
by SeminoleSkins87 on Aug 1, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions
I thought that was him.
Couldn’t watch much of today’s game….gotta save my energy for tomorrow. Big day for Rays Fans.
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Good call Matty Dee
Perhaps that comment should be erased…just in case.
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I said the same thing
flashbacks of Tebow on the front row of the NBA Finals last year.
by freshcollegeboy on Aug 3, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Anyone see this? Jimbo Fisher Coach's Show is now an hour long.
http://www.wctv.tv/sports/headlines/99686994.html
"There is so much positive energy and really dramatic interest in our program right now and we just felt that the traditional 30-minute show would not satisfy the audience’s needs," said Seminole ISP General Manager Paul Phipps.
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definitely
I was really worried that the access BB gave to the community/media would go away with Fisher. Esp. when Fisher started closing the practices. However, I am really excited to see Fisher giving up that much time each week. I can’t wait.
I guess the new show is going to talk some X&O if not what the hell is going to do for an hour.
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They said
"We have such a talented group producing the show in Seminole Productions that we have felt for the last few years that we couldn’t get everything in the show. We will be able to have additional feature-oriented content, along with a more significant look at the upcoming game."
No offense to BB but I'm looking forward to guys being called by their names
I also can’t wait for Fisher to explain exactly what went well or wrong in on a play. These last few years BB show was almost unwatchable.
FSU football is the new case study for the outliners phenomon
I certainly didn't bother watching.
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I watched a few times
tuned out when over half the time was spent trying to relate by telling stories of things that happened before I was born. I’m 22.
by freshcollegeboy on Aug 3, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It will be a call in show and will Include "Great Moments in Florida State History with Burt Reynolds" just like Bobby's old show.
The Jimbo Fisher TV Show
“The Jimbo Fisher Show,” televised throughout the entire state of Florida on Sundays at 12:30 pm EST on the Sun Sports Network, features the new head coach of the Florida State Seminoles."
Jimbo is joined each week on the show by host Gene Deckerhoff. Every Sunday during football season, Jimbo and Gene review the action-packed highlights of the previous day’s games and Burt Reynolds hosts a special feature called “Great Moments in Florida State History.” The show is broadcast throughout the state of Florida on the Sun Sports Network including two re-broadcasts.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
We wont be able to show it here but I think you might be able to catch it at Seminole.com, but I could be wrong.
I also remember reading somewhere where it will be replayed 3 times during the week on Sun.
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Kenny White - Las Vegas Sports Consultants
Just texted him and Bruce Marshall from the same firm on local sports radio here:
“How do you think FSU will come out as dogs at Oklahoma, at Miami, vs. Florida this season?”
Response:
“Mark Stoops’ Arizona defenses always punched above their weight. The season is predicated on how soon they absorb the new defense and upgrade the pash rush. Will rely on young but talented d-backs. For the game at Oklahoma 12 is too high a number. The game at Miami will again go down to the wire, take the underdog Noles. Versus Florida they are plus 7 at home in Ponder and Rodney Hudson’s final games. FSU will be clicking on all cylinders by then, not only on offense, but defense as well. The hiring of Stoops is a HUGE boost, as talented as Florida is look for the Noles to end the 6 year skid.”
Don’t mean to get anyone overly excited, but the Chief Operating Officer of the largest oddsmaking firm in the nation is drinking the Kool-Aid.
For future reference -- He also said Miami will be in the running for MNChamionship next year…..
Not really
Next year they should have a shot. Their really good recruiting classes will be at their peak in 2011. If they fall flat on their face this year maybe no shot but they should have one. If they fall apart, if at all, it will be 2012 with the weak class this past year (which has been made better by some worthless dudes not qualifying and the pick up of Henderson etc.) If they don’t at least go to a BCS game in 2011 it is on the coaches.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 3, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I have seen very little actual player development from RS
….Not to mention the fact that they can’t recruit, only accept commits.
Oderint Dum Metuant
Made the mistake of perusing another site that shall remain nameless,
but has been mentioned here a num ber of times.
What I learned for the first ime today:;
— the problem with our D last year was not the staff. We had the same D staff in 2008 when we were ranked 15th. The problem in 2009 was simply that our DL was too small and inexperienced.
— the reason Jimbo does not start Gehres over Fortson, despite Gehres’ superior speed and equal size, is because Jimbo is a slave to certain “patterns”, and Gehres doesn’t fit his WR “pattern” (code for "he’s not black’). That was clear when we kept throwing to Fortson against miami.
— Fisher lost the miami game because he mismanaged the clock, wasting 44 sec at the end and leaving us only 27 secs so we couldn’t run and miami could just key on pass defense.
All this, from the same poster whom people were treating as the board guru who gets right to the heart of the matter.
Lovely.
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
I should mention, this is "a certain popular Noles board.'
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Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 2, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
one of those “I really am glad I don’t spend most of my time here” sites. Clearly this guys didn’t read Bud’s article on how many touchdowns we gave up last year in under a minute, nor did he look up a depth chart to see that Gehres doesn’t start because he hasn’t shown to the deciding coach, coach Dawsey, that he can live up to it or that he is even better than 4th string. And Dawsey has coached up a pretty good number of guys.
Oh well, we can’t save everyone.
by freshcollegeboy on Aug 3, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Same goes for his asinine statements during baseball season
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
Hmm, is their username 6 letters, starting with fsu?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
As bad as that was, I'd like to direct you guys to the newest article at chantrant
I’m not linking it because I don’t really know if that’s allowed, but it’s possibly the most excessive abomination of journalistic integrity (and fandom) that I have ever seen.
If you can maneuver yourself through the terrible punctuation and fragment sentences, I think most will agree with me.
I sent it to Bud, but if any of you editor guys wanna link it, I think it would make for a good discussion piece. I’m thinking a 500 comment reaction. It fits with the whole “expectations” theme.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Relative term
they ARE vulnerable. But whether we’ll be able to take advantage of those vulnerabilities… another question entirely.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
They are vulnerable to teams like Alabama
Not to teams like FSU…yet
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
I agree there
I’m just saying, they are more vulnerable than they have been in years. I still don’t think this is the year we beat them, unless the D is leaps and bounds better than many expect.
2011, 2012 and 2013 are when they become an achievable goal.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Vulnerable compared to last year.
But still a top 10 type team.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
Yeah, it's the same guy.
Logic is not his strong suit. He appears to like taking a thread of partial facts and weaving a whole a cloth. Case in point: he blames Fisher and Coley for any recruiting woes since 2007, since “they were in charge and these are Fisher’s players”— completely oblivious to the fact that the same former D staff he praises weren’t doing any recruiting!
All I can figure is he is a recovering Bowden cultist who filters every bit of information about Fisher through that distorted lens. Poor guy— he’ll never get it
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 3, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't we squander some valuable seconds on that last goal line series though?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I had absolutely no problem with it
We had 3 shots at what would’ve been a walk-off TD from inside the 5, and we didn’t get in. Tough.
>>---l>
How can you not have a problem with it?
I’m not saying it did cost us the game, but it’s the same type of thing people are making fun of Miles for.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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"Trick is right."
"Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed."
"Correct, Sir Trick."
I fully believe that if we had given Miami the ball back with more than 30 seconds they would have scored.
We had been squib kicking because Hopkins and our coverage team had been so terrible that night.
And our defense was our defense.
I believe that our offensive coaches intentionally ran the clock down to prevent Miami from getting the ball back too soon.
And if you had a problem with the timing of the time outs, remember that the players on the field and the head coach are the only people who can call time out.
Agree
And if you had a problem with the timing of the time outs, remember that the players on the field and the head coach are the only people who can call time out.
Unless we get a clear answer from JF and BB as to how the last minute played out, this is revisionist history we’re talking about.
While I certainly thought too much time ran off the clock… I have no idea who to place blame on and was not involved in the decision at the time, so who am I to say what should have happened.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 3, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bird in the hand > two in the bush
in that situation, you play to score and score as quickly as possible, I’m sorry. I love Jimbo but that decision was a poor one.
Caz was down with 47 seconds to go, we didn’t get another snap off until there were 23 seconds to go and that was only because UM called a TO. I can’t find a clip of us wasting time but it was pretty clear that was what was going on at the time. If we get up on the ball quick on second down and ran the play maybe there aren’t two zeroes on the clock after the third down rollout to fortson.
The way it played out we can’t be VERY upset because in reality we got 5 shots from inside the 5 yard line and we need to be able to score in that situation. But moving forward, in that type of situation I am of the opinion that you score as quickly as you can and let the chips fall where they may. You cannot start concerning yourself with scoring with just the right amount of time on the clock because then you run the risk of wasting opportunities (like what would have been our 6th chance in this situation) when time runs out.
For me it’s like this, someone offers me the choice of putting a team on their own 35 (maybe 40 in this game, I can’t remember their average starting field position) trailing by 3 with 30 seconds to go and no timeouts or I get three plays inside the 5 against a very good defense (and only one of these plays can be a run), I take the former and let the chips fall where they may.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Similar to FSU-UM in 2008
IIRC, UM gets the ball at their 40yd line with 1:25 left. Moved all the way down to our 25, Dakota drops a Mavre INT, but time and downs eventually run out.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 3, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
In 08 we led by 9 and they scored with 16 seconds to go
and we picked up the onside to hold on.
And I believe we gave them the ball with about 3:30 to go.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Ah, yes
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"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles was on another level.
I’ve never seen anything like the end of the Ole Miss game. It was a complete lack of grey matter.
Christian Ponder: Your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback.
Right??? I watched that game again this weekend.
I was in awe. Even better was his explanation on the field after the game.
For those interested, I asked Jimbo Fisher about the clock management at the end of the Miami game. As you probably remember, the Seminoles let some valuable time melt off the clock after they moved the ball within the Miami 5-yard line
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Here’s what Fisher said:
"I wanted to take the clock off. We had to come out of the huddle at 45 seconds, and I didn’t want to leave them any time. We’re on the 2-yard line, we had second down. We could have done two things – clocked the ball. Now you’re in third down, now you’ve got two chances. Or you call a play, and run it and be done with the huddle about 25 seconds. If we made it, we score. If we don’t, we call timeout and then we’ve got two plays to win it from there. I didn’t want to waste a play by clocking it or calling a timeout then because then we wouldn’t have been able to do it. And then we got the interference and we still got five plays from the 4. We still had five plays … So we did exactly what we wanted to do. Just when we came out of the huddle, the one time we lined up wrong – wasted about 10 seconds getting lined up."
>-----:----:------>Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I don't think this was smart
By taking the time off the clock you eliminated the option of a handoff or using the pistol. Its all about maximizing time efficiency with that type of down and distance. Got to score before you can even think about giving the ball back.
Of course, JF is a head football coach and I get paid to work in government, so I may not be the best at measuring efficiency.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly, I couldn't believe it when I realized we were running clock
I’d never do that in NCAA.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Because Jimbo was playing for the last shot and didn't want to put the D back on the field
All the comments above basically summarize it. We had as many chances to score as we would have had we clocked the ball after Caz went down with 47 to go. We had 3 chances at a walk-off win in that game. What more can you ask for?
>>---l>
Understood
I just thought Jimbo looked anxious and it was passed down to the players. (Leadership vacuums will do that)
A timeout taken earlier could have helped reslove some of the nerves.
That is all.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 3, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that Bowden had the headset on that point....
… How many times did that work out favorably last year?
How many time did that work out favorably since 1999??
SERIOUSLY, when was the last time you saw Bobby put on the headphones, only to watch a new strategy unfold successfully on the field??
Conversely, how many times did you see something disasterous or asinine happen almost immediately thereafter??
Oderint Dum Metuant
Anybody going to the Oklahoma game. I'm going with a friend and I was trying to see if anybody has been to Norman before or knows what they are doing out there.
i.e. hotel, where to eat, etc.
Can I be on Team Gold??
While I am very appreciative of the "talents" of Miss Anne Imanuel,
I miss Lauren Dorsett and Sheena Samanipour.
ANother topic: OU is vulnerable.
Yeah, I know that puts me in fantasy land in the editors’ minds. And I’m aware that Pphil Steele is the best national prognasticator out there.
But i can’t get past the fact that OU struggled greatly against anyone who was not a patsy last year:
13 pts against BYU. 13. Even when a starting QB goes out, a good offense should be able to put up more than 13 pts. with a rookie backup.
20 pts. against miami- this, after putting up 64 and 45 pts. against Idaho State and Tulsa, so we know Landry can throw the ball.
13 pts. v Texas Tech. This is 10 games into the season, folks. That rookie is no longer a newbie, and the TT defense is not All World.
3 pts. v. Nebraska. OK, they got Suhed. But 3 pts.? They should have been suied by their fans.
In short, OU struggled mightily against anything approaching decent competition.
And that trend is going to be magically solved, despite new starters, by game 2 this year? Really?
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
Haven't you read
Vegas knows all.
Seriously though, Phil misses on a couple of preseason top 10 teams each year. Last year it was Notre Dame and Ole Miss. Here’s hoping it’s OU this year.
And that trend is going to be magically solved, despite new starters, by game 2 this year? Really?
The same could be said for us magically solving problems with new coaching personnel
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
To clarify
There is only so much you can teach kids by game 2
Wants to live in a world where Batting Average goes the way of the Dodo!
No argument here.
The original point is they are vulnerable. This game is not— imho— as much as slam dunk for OU, as some folks on here seem to be saying.
Bring back Peter Tom- a true Nole!
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere back in a long-forgotten post,
I broke out Landry Jones’ performances against top 50 FEI-defenses. The resutls were not too pretty. No FEI rankings at ESPN, but for simple reference you can look here.
Stanford was very similar to FSU last year in terms of defensive efficiency.. so, LAST YEAR, he would have certainly carved us up. But performances against middle of the road defenses like TTU, OkSU towards the end of the season were not spectacular.
Now, you have to guess he makes a big leap going through spring + camp as a starter, but it’s not a foregone conclusion that he will dominate. He has yet to slice up a decent defense in ~10-11 starts.
I would argue Stanford and OkSt
was solid competition. Not to mention what their D did which should be even better this year. And Fiesta asks if it is going to be magically solved? Well there is Rays point and then there is the other side of the coin. The Gates when 9-3 and then 11-1 the next year with pretty much the same players. Don’t think 8-4 to 10-2 or better would be that big of a jump for a program like OU.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
As I referenced, I believe Stanford was a top 10 offense and (roughly) a bottom 10 defense.
I am talking about Oklahoma’s offense vs. other defenses. Stanford was NOT a quality defense.
I think the big pitfall with any of this is that OU should field a much improved OL this year, which I believe was the reason for the struggles noted above.
And -- if you check the link, he had an altogether ishy game against Okie State.
So no credit for your rebuttal, good sir!!!!
hahaha alright
True or False?
Christian Ponder improved leaps and bounds against good defenses his junior campaign behind an improved oline compared to his sophomore season?
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Different argument ;)
But I actually had the same thought; I don’t think there was a game Ponder could hang his hat on, besides perhaps the Wisconsin bowl game.
He ran for his life almost all of 2008
Wisconsin game was great. Man their fan base thought they were going to thrash FSU.
Landry Jones had 5 picks 0 tds against Nebraska. Ouch. I reread your comments. And you said OU should have a better OL next year. From what I understand they really should. The loss to BYU if i remember correctly they had just taken a tight end and made it a tackle or guard. Bunch of triage going on there during the year. Would imagine them being vastly improved.
The question for this game will be where the line for FSU’s D improvement converges with the line for OU’s offensive improvement. Think OU is in a really good place to make a really big leap. Not sure FSU will be there. Not to mention FSU’s offense will have to play out of their minds as OU’s defense will be elite.
Not an alcoholic, just an FSU grad.
Elliott Porter...
What do we know about the guy? I guess he got out of his LOI to LSU and we are one of the places he might land
I read everywhere
That UT is where he might go depending on their own scholly #s and whether 3 other guys qualify.
He played DE in highschool
but @ 6’4 280 now. I wonder if he doesnt project to the interior. Both Coley and Haggins were recruiting him. So no telling.
I think LSU was the only school that wanted him on the OL
According to scout, all 27 players LSU signed academically qualified (go figure), so they have no room for 2 guys in this class.
Oderint Dum Metuant
I'm surprised none of the 27 were Dec. enrollees
unless it was a problem with the 85 more than the 25 ship limit that was causing them to have oversignees.
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